tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post1969582599659926068..comments2024-01-26T00:52:04.340-08:00Comments on SBPDL: What's the deal with Hip-Hop and Rap artists using 80s beats?Stuff Black People Don't Likehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07923871032509110194noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-81689236842214141472012-07-26T13:23:38.386-07:002012-07-26T13:23:38.386-07:00You guys are all ridiculous.. everything tupac and...You guys are all ridiculous.. everything tupac and biggie rap over are sampled. "Juicy" by biggie, was sampled from mtume juicyfruit (the epitome of 80s cheese rnb) Sampling is an artform and i doubt any of you could recreate the things you hear. J dilla (RIP) remade the most obscure samples into masterpieces that were literally unrecognizable from the original sample. If sampling was so easy, why arent you guys all famous producers? and why arent you all famous rappers if anyone can do it? because you cant. Sampling is even taught in some reputable colleges now. Rap and rock does suck when combined though.. but really go after dubstep, hip hop has more than paid its dues in the music world by now. if all you are judging hip hop by is the stuff on the radio then you dont really have a say in wether hip hop is good or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-22852604265570767662011-03-06T12:38:37.092-08:002011-03-06T12:38:37.092-08:00@ Desiree -
'Freak On A Leash' is a good ...@ Desiree -<br /><br /><i>'Freak On A Leash' is a good song; metal--the kind people associate with horror flicks and Satan worship--will always intrigue me more than the other stuff.</i><br /><br />Yes, but Korn has nothing to do with metal. Or rather, I should say: there's the metal that actual metalheads think of as metal... and then, there's stuff like Korn for the people who'd probably faint at prolonged exposure to the real stuff.<br /><br /><i>Hey, you're "Booker T" is showing, Scott... Reel him in.</i><br /><br />A reference to Booker T. Washington, I presume. And how exactly does this apply to me?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-45619874709532407142011-03-06T10:05:16.759-08:002011-03-06T10:05:16.759-08:00@ Scott:
The Primus track notwithstanding, you kn...@ Scott:<br /><br /><i>The Primus track notwithstanding, you know absolutely nothing about rock -- REAL rock, that is.</i><br /><br />Hey, I was in junior high--seventh grade to be exact, 12 to 13--and very sad and depressed. Give me a break! I knew nothing about most music, and, to this day, I am not a big music person. <br /><br />But I know a bunch of 'information' about it, even if I don't listen to a wide array of the stuff. I like R&B, although I will always love gangsta rap. But I don't listen to 'real' rock, yes. You are right.<br /><br />I suggest Bone Thugs, if you're inclined to try.<br /><br />'Freak On A Leash' is a good song; metal--the kind people associate with horror flicks and Satan worship--will always intrigue me more than the other stuff. From the way I dress, many people think I listen to metal, but I like love songs; black music. And Linkin Park may be a little weak but I liked their aesthetic--the rap/rock mixture. I loved 'Crawling' and I knew all the words to 'In the End'.<br /><br />What is that stuff? Emo?<br /><br />Whatever.<br /><br />Hey, you're "Booker T" is showing, Scott... Reel him in.Desireenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-18274429545587217802011-03-06T08:17:24.699-08:002011-03-06T08:17:24.699-08:00@ Desiree -
"I do like 'Freak On A Leas...@ Desiree - <br /><br />"I do like 'Freak On A Leash' and 'My Name is Mud', though, and I was into Linkin Park in junior high, when I didn't know who the hell I was."<br /><br />The Primus track notwithstanding, you know absolutely nothing about rock -- REAL rock, that is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-31652806733558533702011-03-06T08:15:20.195-08:002011-03-06T08:15:20.195-08:00The sad thing about the state of today's black...The sad thing about the state of today's black music is that, once upon a time, blacks were genuine innovators -- i.e. the blues that inspired generations of classic rockers, the jazz that influenced legions of artists to try their hand at improvisation and harmonic sophistication, etc.<br /><br />Soul music of the classic ('60s-'70s) era had some genuine humanity to it. Tales of loss, of woe, of vulnerability, of genuine longing for a lover who couldn't be had, a lover lost. Marvin Gaye's best album remains "Here, My Dear" (1978) -- a spiteful, ruminative work born of his messy divorce from Anna Gordy Gaye. As legend has it, his wife demanded a portion of proceeds from his next album as part of their divorce settlement (or something like that). So he responded with a warts-and-all dissection of their falling apart set to music. And that, of course, makes the bitter sarcasm behind the album's title that much clearer - awesome stuff. <br /><br />Rap changed all that, however. The "gangsta" element of rap took over and hip-hop became the new minstrel show of our time. No more vulnerability, no more humanity. Now the blaxploitation myth of the infallible, take-no-shit, pimpin'-ass Super Negro has taken over popular culture - and whatever nuance or subtlety or shading once existed in black music has fallen far out of fashion. <br /><br />Blacks are far too willing to don that burnt cork and be the monkeys shuffling and dancing across the stage of our modern American life. Why be a flawed human being when you can be the fantasy of every racist in the land? <br /><br />No one needs to call black people niggers anymore. They're far too willing to stamp the term across their own foreheads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-35479331050716832052011-03-05T14:15:57.742-08:002011-03-05T14:15:57.742-08:00@ Desiree,
I have to confess that like most of th...@ Desiree,<br /><br />I have to confess that like most of the people on here, I've finally figured to skip over any entry that begins: "Desiree says." I would frankly rather read essays written by developmentally challenged children on their recent trip to the planetarium.Hirschnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-2495118408635765452011-03-05T13:31:18.871-08:002011-03-05T13:31:18.871-08:00"You-don't-like-black-people (thump), You..."You-don't-like-black-people (thump), You-don't-like-black-people (thump), You-don't-like-black-people (thump), You-don't-like-black-people (thump), You-don't-like-black-people (thump)..."<br /><br />There is an easy fix for that: <br /><br />1) remove the CD, place under running warm water.<br />2) apply a dot or two of Ivory liquid and work to a lather on the CD.<br />3) rinse thoroughly.<br />5) dry with radial wipes, from hole to edge, NEVER around and around.<br />6) place back in player.<br />7) press PLAY.<br /><br />The "You-don't-like-black-people" phrase will only come out once, then the CD will go on with how I whup my slaves every morning before work, and run down black children at the school crossing. Or something.D Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02636540672925981142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-32676151634095153732011-03-05T12:44:20.615-08:002011-03-05T12:44:20.615-08:00Mr. Mister's broken wings was (ab)used both by...Mr. Mister's broken wings was (ab)used both by Tupac in 'until the end of time' and Joe Budden in a freestyle which was released although I'm not sure of the title.<br /><br />Islands in the Stream - Kenny Rogers & Dolly Parton used for Ghetto Supastar - Pras, ODB, Mya<br /><br />Break My Stride - Matthew Wilder used for Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - Puff daddy/P diddy..whatever his name is<br /><br />The Way It Is - Bruce Hornsby & The Range used by Changes - Tupac<br /><br />She Blinded Me With Science - Thomas Dolby used by Got It Twisted - Mobb DeepAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-4003261736471833872011-03-05T11:51:05.398-08:002011-03-05T11:51:05.398-08:00"That is an opinion. And, as such, does not d..."That is an opinion. And, as such, does not deserve a real response. "<br /><br />Then please STFU. No one cares what you have to say. You are mucking up the site with your long useless rants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-91245391159354033532011-03-05T10:32:00.368-08:002011-03-05T10:32:00.368-08:00@ Hirsch:
Please quit buzzing around my ear. I do...@ Hirsch:<br /><br /><i>Please quit buzzing around my ear. I don't even want to put in the effort to swat you away. Go drone near "White Guy." I'm sure he has some nice breadcrumbs spilled around his picnic blanket.</i><br /><br />You know, I am not at all surprised that you could not come back with a cogent argument just <i>attempting</i> to defend that pathetic strawman.<br /><br />Because you know you were absolutely, positively, inalienably wrong with that bullshit you typed. It's almost like the idea of 'picking on someone your own size'. You cannot compare one-hit wonders to composers, just like I will not compare an 80s Whitney Houston to a circa 'Charmbracelet' Mariah Carey. It's pretty obvious, Hirsch, who's going to win.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI3YrAv0C-I&feature=relmfu<br /><br />Follow this advice in the future so you won't be caught in those tragic little strawmans that are the hallmark of faulty logic and poor thinking skills: when creating a comparison to prove a point, it is of utmost importance that you compare <i>like</i> things.<br /><br />If you don't want someone to challenge you, babes, don't comment. Especially on a musical form to which your own hatred of black males prevents you from appreciating it. You don't see me spouting off about rock music, saying 'it sucks'. It's loud, but that's the extent of my critique. I do like 'Freak On A Leash' and 'My Name is Mud', though, and I was into Linkin Park in junior high, when I didn't know who the hell I was.<br /><br />By the way, you are a music snob, and it's an <i>ugly</i> trait! Remember this, as it should guide all of your interactions for the rest of your days: <i>it is okay to be wrong.</i><br /><br />From some of the stuff you've said on this site--when SBPDL actually <i>publishes</i> a comment towards you from me--you've been wrong a lot, and I have dutifully proved this much to your chagrin.<br /><br />I wonder if SBPDL would even publish this one! It took me 2 tries to get him to publish that innocuous one to which you responded!<br /><br />Another piece of advice: stop with the ad hominem attacks against me. I am no more stupid than Kim Kardashian is in possession of a flat ass. Just work on your arguments, man, okay? Sheesh!<br /><br /><br /><br />@ White Guy:<br /><br /><i>Careful, Desiree ... I've hung the fly paper.</i><br /><br />LOL. Please. No one on this site is even a match because emotion dictates your belief, not rational thought. Sorry.Desireenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-23197210558909367122011-03-05T10:24:20.776-08:002011-03-05T10:24:20.776-08:00@ DJ:
What is your criteria for talent with regar...@ DJ:<br /><br />What is your criteria for talent with regard to rappers? They are LYRICISTS, not MUSICIANS! It's like everyone on this thread cannot separate these from each other. Rappers don't profess to be like the black blues and R&B greats. Rapping is <i>poetry</i>, first and foremost. The music is secondary. Many times when you have really good music, the lyrics repeat over and over. <br /><br />My absolute favorites are Bone Thugs and Eminem. These guys are telling stories and rhyming melodically. Listening to them is like listening to a 'hipper' version of a great audiobook. Profanity laced or not, that's your personal opinion as to whether it chafes your ass; freestyling will always blow my mind. And I am not even a big rap fan at all. I, too, prefer singers and traditional musicians.<br /><br />Maybe your notion of talent is regarding <i>making</i> actual music, but that is a completely different thing than what rap is even about. You can't compare apples to oranges.<br /><br />It just seems like people on here hate rap because it's black, not for any valid reason that has to do with the form. And it is pathetic, and sad, that you cannot move beyond your own irrational bigotry to use just a scintilla of objectivity when evaluating this genre of music. <br /><br />And this isn't even about the genre; SBPDL's post is about <i>sampling</i> which is no big deal anyway.<br /><br />You don't have to 'like' rap; no one is saying that. No one even gives a shit. But be fair, Jesus Christ. We get it; you don't like black people. And? White people rap, too.Desireenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-53535916443524576902011-03-05T09:52:21.309-08:002011-03-05T09:52:21.309-08:00"Why the hell care, that's what I'm a..."Why the hell care, that's what I'm asking?"<br /><br />I "care" to the extent that it happens to be the topic of discussion on my favorite daily blog.<br /><br />What fucking difference does it make to you why I "care"?<br /><br />"Most rap stars don't reuse beats for every single song they make."<br /><br />Although I'm not a fan, I do not know of a single rap song that doesn't use elements of pre-existing songs.<br /><br />"If you don't like it, turn the radio to a different station"<br /><br />I don't listen to it, so there's no need to change the station. But thanks anyway, for telling me something that even a three-year-old could figure out.<br /><br />"A reused beat does not take away from the fact that the creativity is still there."<br /><br />Some people find it artistically "creative" to draw a beard and mustache on the Mona Lisa.<br />I don't.<br /><br />"I'm not trying to start a flame war here but how many of you could actually do what they do?"<br /><br />I can't do what porn stars do either.<br />And I'm okay with that.<br /><br />"Seriously, if you don't like rap, listen to something else."<br /><br />Seriously, could you perhaps post this mindless gem several more times? It really makes you sound clever.<br /><br />"What about cover work? The Fugees did a spin on "Killing Me Softly" which was really good"<br /><br />It depends on how you define "good".<br />Some people think their own farts smell "good".<br /><br />"Eminem...No one can take his Grammys."<br /><br />You are the king of profundities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-39511350347191553562011-03-05T09:32:10.344-08:002011-03-05T09:32:10.344-08:00The rappers and hip-hop folks use samples and such...The rappers and hip-hop folks use samples and such created by others because they are lazy, and really don't have any talent. They are a manufactured product with recycled ingredients. Nothing original has been done.<br /><br />I refer ONLY to the rappers and the hip-hop people. If you think I am referring to BLACKS I am not. I have nothing but the highest respect for the likes of Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Billy Strayhorn, Jimmy Lunceford, Fats Waller, Billie Eckstine, Nat Cole, Johnny Hartman. You know: real orchestrators, composers, arrangers, and singers.D Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02636540672925981142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-11850048848907623082011-03-05T09:24:09.682-08:002011-03-05T09:24:09.682-08:00I'm not black, nor am I afro-multiracial. I...I'm not black, nor am I afro-multiracial. I'm not a minority. I'd say I was white but I don't know if you'd think a Polish Jew was white. If not, then I guess I am a minority, but I've always bubbled "white" on forms.<br /><br />I don't mean to play on a stereotype but how many black guys even like Weird Al, or appreciate his genius? Just saying!<br /><br />Yes, Weird Al is parody, but you are missing the forest for the trees. Think hard. I wouldn't even want to say rappers are using a template, like Weird Al. They just have the music, not the lyrical content of the original. Okay, maybe not the "same" but definitely tangential in spirit and idea. Weird Al and rappers make tons of money when using "samples".<br /><br />Why the hell care, that's what I'm asking? Most rap stars don't reuse beats for every single song they make. If you don't like it, turn the radio to a different station; switch the channel away from "BET"; have an iPod when you go to 24 Fitness. A reused beat does not take away from the fact that the creativity is still there. <br /><br />I'm not trying to start a flame war here but how many of you could actually do what they do? Take a beat from any song and rap to it with original lyrical content? It's genius to me; I can't do it. Seriously, if you don't like rap, listen to something else. <br /><br />What about cover work? The Fugees did a spin on "Killing Me Softly" which was really good but Kelly Osbourne should have been stoned for reworking Madonna's "Papa Don't Preach". Yes, I liked pre-"SEX" book Madonna and I am not ashamed.<br /><br />I'd much prefer rap lyrics over a classic rock beat than the monstrosities that are remakes of classics. And, no, they are NOT the same. Rappers are lyricists with original content; I'd expect a good "flow", if nothing else, even if they're rapping alongside some Toys R Us keyboard. <br /><br />Eminem samples a lot, but he's fantastic behind the "mike". No one can take his Grammys. He's not the "catch-all" for rappers but he fits your criteria of a "sampler"...Professor Snapenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-82876715101883182952011-03-05T08:12:50.749-08:002011-03-05T08:12:50.749-08:00"I think "Desiree" makes a good poi..."I think "Desiree" makes a good point."<br /><br />Wow, two negroes who think alike. Shocker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-15593280330683016932011-03-05T08:08:50.652-08:002011-03-05T08:08:50.652-08:00"The guy's a genius and he uses the same ..."The guy's a genius and he uses the same beats and melodies of the popular songs to which he makes fun. Maybe it is not the "same thing" but it kinda is."<br /><br />Weird Al is parody.<br /><br />Rap is not.<br /><br />So no, they are not "kinda" the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-5215161376505451722011-03-05T08:08:39.565-08:002011-03-05T08:08:39.565-08:00"Go drone near "White Guy.""
..."Go drone near "White Guy.""<br /><br />Careful, Desiree ... I've hung the fly paper.White Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-41261675787527300072011-03-05T08:03:34.520-08:002011-03-05T08:03:34.520-08:00"If you think about it, hearing a tune you ha..."If you think about it, hearing a tune you haven't heard since you were a kid behind a popular rap song could be rather nostalgic."<br /><br />You can always count on negroes to offer a lame rationalization for negro behavior.<br /><br />In 20+ years, not once have I heard a single human being describe feelings of nostalgia brought on by a rap song.<br /><br />However, if hearing traces of an "oldie" beneath profanity-laced lyrics makes you warm all over, then more power to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-18822155187979106512011-03-05T07:51:19.660-08:002011-03-05T07:51:19.660-08:00@ Desiree
Please quit buzzing around my ear. I do...@ Desiree<br /><br />Please quit buzzing around my ear. I don't even want to put in the effort to swat you away. Go drone near "White Guy." I'm sure he has some nice breadcrumbs spilled around his picnic blanket.<br /><br />Nas's "Thief's Theme" sampled Inna Godda Davida:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4m2HDuoReM<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQZ6l_cq5YHirschnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-10726712793515086192011-03-05T07:28:15.859-08:002011-03-05T07:28:15.859-08:00This seems like a bit of a moot point - the whole ...This seems like a bit of a moot point - the whole issue of sampling music. I doubt it's a really big issue to most people. If you think about it, hearing a tune you haven't heard since you were a kid behind a popular rap song could be rather nostalgic. Why not look at it from the vantage point of "paying homage" to the originators?<br /><br />Desiree said:<br /><i>Rappers are lyricists first and foremost. If you want musicians, go to Earth, Wind & Fire.</i><br /><br />I think "Desiree" makes a good point. We are dealing with "lyricists". If they could "flow" while keeping a beat on some drums, I'd be amazed but not everyone is a musician, and I don't think they claim to be in that traditional sense. I'd be more concerned if they were ripping off lyrical content. Then, we'd have a problem. But the music/beats deal? Small potatoes. That's what we have producers for.<br /><br />If the rappers pay the guys with the original beats, crying over the former's so-called "lack of creativity" is akin to crying over spilled milk. It seems like most in this comment section don't even like rap music. Why care? <br /><br />It's sort of like what they say about bad TV: "If you have a problem with the show, change the channel." <br /><br />I will say, however, it seems redundant that Puffy won a Grammy using The Police's "Every Breath You Take"; the latter had won a Grammy years earlier for the song. I don't know; I don't think that should be allowed!<br /><br />But I can't judge in this regard because I own some Weird Al Yankovic records and I remember being a young man with friends trying to imitate him, of course I wasn't as good. The guy's a genius and he uses the same beats and melodies of the popular songs to which he makes fun. Maybe it is not the "same thing" but it kinda is. I don't think anyone would say Weird Al lack originality, all things considered.Professor Snapenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-55609577776144907212011-03-05T00:43:43.312-08:002011-03-05T00:43:43.312-08:00"Anytime you encourage irresponsible people t..."Anytime you encourage irresponsible people to behave MORE irresponsibly, the results are likely to be catastrophic."<br /><br />Agreed. Illegitimacy rates are also huge nowadays due to the explosion of the sex/love liberal/libertarian culture coupled with the idea that marriage is evil and old-fashioned and that monogamy is bad. The whole idea that these women are a burden on government is laughable too. Many of them are wealthy and they can afford it unlike the middle class and the lower classes. Some of them have families in big corporations or multinationals hello.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-30332433969158665212011-03-04T17:18:21.161-08:002011-03-04T17:18:21.161-08:00"I'm against abortion, but I'll say t..."I'm against abortion, but I'll say this: imagine the financial stress and burdens on local, state and the federal government if it hadn't been legalized."<br /><br />Prior to Roe V Wade, illegitimacy rates were low across the board. Even black illegitimacy was in the low 20's. (Unbelievable, huh.)<br /><br />Roe V Wade actually served to promote casual sex, because it provided a quick and easy solution to an unwanted pregnancy. The message it sent was "Have more sex, don't worry about the consequences!!".<br /><br />Anytime you encourage irresponsible people to behave MORE irresponsibly, the results are likely to be catastrophic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-53023196237315003182011-03-04T15:59:12.264-08:002011-03-04T15:59:12.264-08:00Dr. Dre - Lyrical Gangbang : When the Levee Breaks...Dr. Dre - Lyrical Gangbang : When the Levee Breaks by Led Zeppelin 1971<br />Lil Wayne - On Fire : She's on Fire by Amy Holland 1983<br />Rick Ross - Push It : Scarface (Push It to the Limit) by Paul Engemann 1983<br />Charles Hamilton - Gameday : We Will Rock You by Queen 1977<br />Xzibit - Paparazzi : Pavane by Gabriel Fauré's 1887<br />Xzibit - The Foundation : The Stranger by Billy Joel 1977<br />Xzibit - Three Card Molly : The Windmills of Your Mind by Petula Clark 1969Cry me a riverhttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Rapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-44238894688147883262011-03-04T15:14:28.592-08:002011-03-04T15:14:28.592-08:00Happily my kind of music will never be used in a r...Happily my kind of music will never be used in a rap-song..2 examples: <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZzLPf_zyKk or<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGZ4K-_nRSsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-58345857150341524632011-03-04T14:08:58.205-08:002011-03-04T14:08:58.205-08:00Speaking of nobody giving a flying fig about black...Speaking of nobody giving a flying fig about black kids (especially black kids they themselves have shat into the world):<br /><br />http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41874716/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com