tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post7709378339310128238..comments2024-01-26T00:52:04.340-08:00Comments on SBPDL: Great Moments in Black History -- George Brown and The Tuskegee Airmen: Branded with a "K" Stuff Black People Don't Likehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07923871032509110194noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-1914329093983197242013-02-18T16:00:26.088-08:002013-02-18T16:00:26.088-08:00Wow, there is alot of hate on this website. I knew...Wow, there is alot of hate on this website. I knew racism still existed, and now I finally have the proof in writing! ingridnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-27219733432739396632013-02-11T17:56:09.438-08:002013-02-11T17:56:09.438-08:00The Mozzie was possibly the best aircraft of ww2. ...The Mozzie was possibly the best aircraft of ww2. Ground attack versions, bomber versions etc... The speed was incredible for the payload. Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-9222875624018491872013-02-11T11:08:04.763-08:002013-02-11T11:08:04.763-08:00I've read several first-person accounts by Ame...I've read several first-person accounts by American WWII aviators who fought in the European theater, and they all more or less state that the Black fighter squadrons were fairly hopeless. Some of the authors were aware enough of leftist tyranny to make excuses for the Black pilots, but nobody said that they were even adequate as escorts for bomber formations.<br /><br />In the Smokey Yunick autobiography, Smokey flatly states that the Black fighter pilots were no good at all. Smokey flew bombers from Italy that targeted places held by the Germans in the Balkans and Central Europe. He said all the bomber pilots dreaded being escorted by Black units, because, apart from being bad combat fliers, they were also inefficient in other ways; bad navigators, bad team players, etc.<br /><br />Yunick was also a prominent member of the American automobile racing community for decades. He saw numerous attempts by Blacks to race automobiles and, according to Smokey, they just couldn't cut it. They didn't have the ability to juggle all of the variables needed to be a successful racing driver; mechanical limitations, team strategy, hitting the proper line through corners, feedback from the car, etc.<br /><br />This glorification of the WWII Black fighter pilots is just another Leftist lie in order to support the Leftist narrative, which is based entirely on several lies and false assumptions. It was under Roosevelt that the Leftist pathology was first injected into the U.S. mainstream culture. <br /><br />The Tuskegee Airmen lie is an early symptom of the societal disease that has now become terminal with the election of that affirmative-action parasite, Obonzo.Fisk Ellington Rutledge IIInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-26443604546765057002013-02-11T07:35:46.445-08:002013-02-11T07:35:46.445-08:00Dan @ 11:25 caught my attention with this:
In ad...Dan @ 11:25 caught my attention with this:<br /><br /><i> In addition to the Lancaster the Brits had Mosquitos which could bomb individual installations with such precision that they could shut down a factory or prison at will.</i><br /><br />Of course, the RAF had many bombers besides the Lancaster, but I'd never considered the Mosquito as a bomber. This was a small plane, made of wood and canvas, with a crew of two - pilot and navigator. I'd considered it mainly a reconnaissance plane, with a small role as a fighter - in particular, as a night fighter. So, I looked it up, and,indeed, there was a bomber version. <a href="http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=126" rel="nofollow">Aviation fans can read about it here.</a>AnalogMannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-48349650919100267892013-02-11T06:19:49.590-08:002013-02-11T06:19:49.590-08:00I'll retract that coward comment. A statement ...I'll retract that coward comment. A statement made flippantly. Definite mistake to train blacks to shoot whites though. Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-70414136114146820802013-02-10T21:10:37.802-08:002013-02-10T21:10:37.802-08:00"The Tuskegee were not prone to pursue German..."The Tuskegee were not prone to pursue German interceptors. They stuck by the bombers like glue. Probably cowards. <br /><br />Not defending blacks as I am certainly no fan of them BUT! STAYING WITH THE BOMBERS was policy until late 44' for ALL escort assignments, other units were tasked with other things including ground attack. SQUADRON SIGNAL Pubs has a number of concise and well written (with photos and art work) by knowledgeable people and are easy reads and they are generally NOT PC.SKIPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-70398479943482578842013-02-10T20:49:56.108-08:002013-02-10T20:49:56.108-08:00One last point.
The air war in the end was about...One last point. <br /><br />The air war in the end was about crippling German airforce assets. So that the ground forces could have free reign. The Tuskeegee effort came long after that was decided. <br /><br />The DDay landings could not have been conducted unless the British and American navies could with confidence expect to see no aircraft opposing them. The landings took place in June in the English channel. The black escort squadrons were activated in the Mediteranean in July and saw limited combat. And by comparison to other allied escorts did very little to affect the outcome. Many Tuskeegee were trained as bomber pilots and never deployed. This is interesting because bomber crews were the elite of all airforces. All the best pilots and crew were channeled into this task. Yet no Tuskeegee units were trusted in this role in actual combat. Very telling. Otoh the RAF was fully integrated and competent blacks from the Empire were welcome on crew if thy were good enough. I'm not against black pilots if they are good, but these segregated all black units were Potemkin experiments. Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-78639649850202094492013-02-10T20:38:38.218-08:002013-02-10T20:38:38.218-08:00"They got the newer planes later because they..."They got the newer planes later because they were not part of Doolittle's 8th Air Force, but part of the 15th Air Force,<br /><br />If memory serves, the 15th AF did get the P51s first in the form of the 354th and that unit was loaned to the 8th for the experiment that became the long range escort. The 354th was loaned to the 8th for so long that it appears to have been part of the 8th but it was not. Of course, I could be wrong.SKIPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-73478265759639880022013-02-10T20:30:47.114-08:002013-02-10T20:30:47.114-08:00War against Germany was on reflection a dubious po...War against Germany was on reflection a dubious policy. I honour my ancestors for fighting hard but sadly it appears to have been a complete waste of effort. Their children and the younger warriors went on to sell out their grandchildren to orcs. Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-80228112286267274522013-02-10T20:24:57.555-08:002013-02-10T20:24:57.555-08:00I'd like to address a few things.
1. Mdna in...I'd like to address a few things. <br /><br />1. Mdna in African Americans that is of European origin must come from white women who bred with black men. That's understood to include 15% of AA Mdna. <br /><br />2. Ydna came from white men breeding with black women. This is about 30% of African American Ydna. <br /><br />Those are the facts. The amount of Mdna indicates a steady overlap of white women sleeping with black men. <br /><br />On the Tuskeegee airmen. The Luftwaffe was long beaten by the time they got into the fighting. The best German interceptor pilots were deployed against Allied bombers originating from the UK. This is where the battle of of Europe was decided. <br /><br />Now, was the fight against the Nazis worth it? Looking at the fuxation of Europe today? Id say our granddads wasted their lives in a suicidal clusterfluck. the blacks were but bit part players. Buchanan was right to summarize ww2 thus: whites fought for the right of blacks to procreate with white women. Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-89427357772658165572013-02-10T17:05:54.854-08:002013-02-10T17:05:54.854-08:00CORRECTION
It was a very successful tactic(TOP CO...CORRECTION<br /><br />It was a very successful tactic(TOP COVER), but one that did <b>NOT</b> lend itself towards to lots of individual kills for the Tuskegee airmen.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-64112126072009512012013-02-10T15:07:19.729-08:002013-02-10T15:07:19.729-08:00Pat Albertosaurus: The Blacks flew P-38s before th...Pat Albertosaurus: The Blacks flew P-38s before they got P-51s? I did not know that. I just did some internet research, and it seems that the different squadrons flew different aircraft at different times, including P-38s, P-40s, P-47s, and P-51s. Serves me right for reading the MSM and trying to make sense of it.<br /> Nor were all the Black fighter squadrons even part of the same Air Force. Some were, for a time, part of the 12th Air Force, which did not fly long range missions at all. There's even less to the Red Tail myth than even I imagined. Just an average bunch of pilots. Discardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-82837580327223806722013-02-10T14:28:56.405-08:002013-02-10T14:28:56.405-08:00He must have just watched "Red Tails". He must have just watched "Red Tails".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-17579405672713147102013-02-10T13:58:33.698-08:002013-02-10T13:58:33.698-08:00Any astute student of history knows that when Hitl...Any astute student of history knows that when Hitler and his government found out that The Tuskegee Airmen would be flying over the Fatherland, they immediatley started a dialogue about unconditional surrender, so great was the terror in their hearts. <br /><br />The Tuskegee Airmen went on to wage war against the Axis Powers, and they single-handedly caused the defeat and surrender of Nazi Germany. The free world as we know it today owes its very existence to The Tuskegee Airmen. <br /><br /> America's racist educational system has only just recently started acknowledging the crucial role The Tuskegee Airmen played in saving Western Civilization.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-47985834720403963602013-02-10T13:44:05.585-08:002013-02-10T13:44:05.585-08:00Thread winner!!!!!Thread winner!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-36645878919647994342013-02-10T12:04:02.482-08:002013-02-10T12:04:02.482-08:00According to the Stephen E. Ambrose book, "Th...According to the Stephen E. Ambrose book, "The Wild Blue" the primary role of the Tuskegee Airmen based in Italy in 1944 were to use their specially configured P-51s to fly TOP COVER protection support on very long range B-24 missions against Nazi Oil fields and refineries in Romania( Ploiesti ) and the synthetic fuels plants in East Germany, Poland and Czechoslovakia. These strategic bombing missions against German fuel supplies in eastern and central Europe, are now widely agreed on as having played a greater role in winning the war than the strategic missions flown by US and English bombing units based out of England against Axis manufacturing.<br /><br />Top Cover meant flying thousands of feet above the B-24 formations at altitudes at around 35,000 feet in an unpressurized single seat fighter with a primitive by today's standards cockpit environment(oxygen, heater etc). That was dangerous enough. Even on missions with no aerial combat it's likely Tuskegee airman died or were captured simply due to the mechanical or cockpit environment failures. <br /><br /><br />The job of the Tuskegee was to provide protection against the limited number of German high altitude fighters like the Dora version FW-190 and the Me-262 jet fighters by insuring that if the bombers spotted formations of German fighters their P-51s could dive on them and drive them away. Other US fighter units could then home in on the scattered German fighters while the Tuskegee Airman would then climb back to TOP COVER. It was a very successful tactic, but one that did lend itself towards to lots of individual kills for the Tuskegee airmen. <br /><br />See<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190#High-altitude_developments<br /><br />That black pilots did a good job in this role is widely accepted. The unit even recorded several Me-262 jet kills by gaining enough steep diving speed in a P-51 to intercept them. However, since the Me-262 jet had limited flight time and mechanical overheating issues, many of them were shot down after having been driven off by Top Cover units. The other fighter units would trail the jets back to their bases and shoot them down as they had to slow down while trying to land. The great Chuck Yeager shot down a Me-262 this way and said it was one of his easier kills.<br /><br />With out the ridiculous Hollywood hype and politically correct Racial Marxism, the Tuskegee Airman played an important role in WWII strategic bombing campaign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-47342013340195027382013-02-10T11:50:18.848-08:002013-02-10T11:50:18.848-08:00Funny how you left the number one from the last li...Funny how you left the number one from the last list off your list completely!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-75758881435453612162013-02-10T11:07:12.746-08:002013-02-10T11:07:12.746-08:00@10mm Auto:"Imagine if you can, Chuck Yeager ...@10mm Auto:<i>"Imagine if you can, Chuck Yeager ... I have these broken ribs and that made the flight a little uncomfortable. They are broken because I was mobbed in town by a bunch of negros"</i><br /><br />One problem: no one back then would have believed that a mere "bunch of negros" could have beaten him. Chuck Norris' Beard pisses its pants if it hears two words that even sound like "Chuck Yeager."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-26219404973993695112013-02-10T10:03:48.777-08:002013-02-10T10:03:48.777-08:00Dan thinks I'm wrong about the Tuskegee Air-me...Dan thinks I'm wrong about the Tuskegee Air-men's practice and performance in battle. I'm sorry but it's not possible for me to be wrong. I wasn't stating what actually happened but only what I had read.<br /><br />A dozen years ago I read a criticism of them that was written in 1942 or 1943 that they were undisciplined. They were said to break formation. I can no longer find any such references. Now everything is laudatory. As I originally wrote, it is impossible to really know now what was the real case. Today all the contemporary criticisms of them - and there were many - is dismissed as simple racism. I'm sure there was some racism but as to whether those criticism had any merit - who knows?<br /><br />The Tuskegee Airmen seem to be at least normally successful in the air. It is important to always consider when engagements took place. In 1942 and early 1943 the Luftwaffe was very successful against American air-power. Our bombers were being decimated on a daily basis. Later the situation turned around and the Luftwaffe was shot out of the sky. In the early days the bomber crews feared to see the Luftwaffe fighters come up. Later the tactic was to induce the fighters to engage because our American fighters were by then dominant. Some of that dominance was the P-51 but most was from superior American pilot training. So a score run up late in the operation didn't mean as much as an early score did.<br /><br />Much the same thing happened on the ground too. Patton's tankers by the Battle of the Bulge were much better trained than the Germans in the Panzers. Germany had lost all the tanker aces that had overrun Poland and France. They were rushing barely trained youths into combat. <br /><br />Before Doolittle's policy change the role of the escort fighters was to try to drive away the enemy. An Fw-190 might be driven away only to land, refuel and re-engage. After the policy change, the American pilots pursued and killed them - and strafed the Nazi airstrip too.<br /><br />One thing we can say with certainty is that this group of black pilots were given the absolute best and newest planes. It is not commonly appreciated that the P-38 could actually fly further than the P-51. It was also faster and flew higher. It had three disadvantages. It was bitterly cold because the pilot's cabin was separated from the engines. It cost twice as much to build as a P-51 (and consumed the strategic material tungsten). Finally it required twice as much training to learn how to use properly. The p-51 was a cheap, easy to fly long distance fighter. If someone was serious about sabotaging the black pilots they would not have put them in the new P-51 Mustangs. It looks to me as if they were given every opportunity to succeed. <br /><br />Albertosaurus <br /><br />Pat Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477950851915567863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-87418826997306408632013-02-10T08:24:10.780-08:002013-02-10T08:24:10.780-08:00To be fair, racism will do strange things to its v...To be fair, racism will do strange things to its victims, even if the racism is an ineffective white defense mechanism to a real but incomprehensible problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-11959090237023943532013-02-10T06:23:56.177-08:002013-02-10T06:23:56.177-08:00I think the PC hierarchy is more like:
Queers
Il...I think the PC hierarchy is more like:<br /><br />Queers <br />Illegal Aliens (I put them above Negros because they've managed to guilt the nation into accepting amnesty, something the Negros never could do about "rep-ray-shunz")<br />Negro Females<br />Negro males<br />Other "minority"females<br />White Females<br />"Minority" males<br />White Males<br />Christian White Males<br />Southern White Males<br />Southern Christian White Males (the absolute lowest of the low. "Crazy Crackers" as I've heard them described.)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-55507327400043558772013-02-10T04:18:18.563-08:002013-02-10T04:18:18.563-08:00@Anonymous February 9, 2013 at 5:39 PM-
Yet anoth...@Anonymous February 9, 2013 at 5:39 PM-<br /><br />Yet another young white female victim at the hands of yet another negro savage. This is of course not a "hate crime". <br /><br />The media of course will sweep it under the rug-no marches and calls for "justice" here, even though this crime is much more heinous and much more epidemic than a thug gangbanger in the making getting shot for attacking a man and beating his head into the sidewalk. <br /><br />It would undermine the indoctrination of young white females which trains them to ignore, to squelch down their instinctive (and wholly justified) wariness of black males. <br /><br />There have been, will be thousands of these of these rapes and murders of white females, whose ages range from mere children to elderly women. The media is an accessory to murder for covering them up while spinning their narrative of a "war on black teens" by whites. The real potential victims don't even get the information they need to protect themselves, instead they are bombarded with lectures to leave themselves more open to these negro predators than they otherwise would in the name of being "non-discriminatory".<br /><br />That poor baby. If it were my daughter...even more, if it were my husband's daughter-let's just say he wouldn't go out alone, and the animals who did it wouldn't go out fast or easy.Melanienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-77695164495850967852013-02-10T03:15:04.318-08:002013-02-10T03:15:04.318-08:00I know that these Tuskegee Airman were all mulatto...I know that these Tuskegee Airman were all mulattoes, not really representative of the real negro, but their appearance on the coin is so White-looking as to be ridiculous.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-6834341734789134932013-02-09T23:50:09.706-08:002013-02-09T23:50:09.706-08:00Regarding Black fighter escorts: The Blacks did no...Regarding Black fighter escorts: The Blacks did not fly long-range fight escort missions until mid 1944, because they were flying short-ranged P-40s until then. By the time they got P-51s, the German Air Force was pretty well beaten. They got the newer planes later because they were not part of Doolittle's 8th Air Force, but part of the 15th Air Force, stationed in the Medditerranean. The 8th, stationed in England, was the Army Air Force's showcase outfit and had priority over other units. <br /> If the Red Tails were prone to stick close to the bombers, it's likely because they had no business trying to chase down the Luftwaffe individually in P-40s. <br /> They weren't supermen, nor cowards, just average. For Blacks, that's an achievement. <br />Discardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890530692790573387.post-34290651558677569842013-02-09T23:50:09.237-08:002013-02-09T23:50:09.237-08:00Regarding Black fighter escorts: The Blacks did no...Regarding Black fighter escorts: The Blacks did not fly long-range fight escort missions until mid 1944, because they were flying short-ranged P-40s until then. By the time they got P-51s, the German Air Force was pretty well beaten. They got the newer planes later because they were not part of Doolittle's 8th Air Force, but part of the 15th Air Force, stationed in the Medditerranean. The 8th, stationed in England, was the Army Air Force's showcase outfit and had priority over other units. <br /> If the Red Tails were prone to stick close to the bombers, it's likely because they had no business trying to chase down the Luftwaffe individually in P-40s. <br /> They weren't supermen, nor cowards, just average. For Blacks, that's an achievement. <br />Discardnoreply@blogger.com