"O CLOUD-PALE eyelids, dream-dimmed eyes,This poem is courtesy of W.B. Yeats, his "He Tells of the Perfect Beauty". In our current epoch the question of what constitutes perfect beauty is one that is asked often, because the perceived cultural bias toward the European aesthetic that even successful Black males gravitate toward without any inhibition upsets those in power.
The poets labouring all their days
To build a perfect beauty in rhyme
Are overthrown by a woman's gaze
And by the unlabouring brood of the skies:
And therefore my heart will bow, when dew
Is dropping sleep, until God burn time,
Before the unlabouring stars and you."
CNN has put out an article that attempts to question traditional notions of beauty and how the increasing browning of America will cause the Euro-centrism rabid in the fashion industry to weaken, shattering a glass ceiling that kept out beauties like Gabourey Sidibe from the limelight:
Women who desire a more "exotic" appearance are looking to the fashion world's growing multi-culturalism for inspiration.
There was a time when the Caucasian girl-next-door looks of Christie Brinkley, Cindy Crawford and more recently Kate Moss dominated the fashion pages. Then came new fashion icons: Naomi Campbell, Jennifer Lopez, Beyonce - and then Giselle, Kim Kardashian and Shakira.
More voluptuous figures, fuller lips and darker skin, features traditionally associated with women of African, Latin and Asian cultures, are "in." Over the past decade, an appreciation for ethnic beauty has been on the rise, and these natural features are becoming popular among Caucasian women who desire to look more "exotic."
Dr. Nancy Etcoff, a Harvard Medical School and Massachusetts General Hospital psychologist who studies the science behind the brain and beauty, believes that the shift in our perception of beauty is a sign of the times.
"Our standards of beauty are changing and ethnic women are at the forefront today," she said. "It emulates our growing sense of cultural awareness."
Etcoff, who also authored "Survival of the Prettiest," adds: "If you study plastic surgery textbooks, the notions of an ideal feature have changed. In the 50s, the ideal look featured thinner lips, upturned noses, smaller eyes, and paler makeup," Etcoff said. "Now you see broader noses, darker skin, and larger eyelids. All these attributes suggest shifts in demographics and an appeal to a more multicultural look instead of an overly Caucasian appearance."
See how Gabourey Sidibe is an Elle covergirl
With companies earning over $3 billion between 2005 and 2009 in the US multi-cultural beauty market, it seems ethnic women are not just embracing the trends -- they are setting them.
"What's not to love, embrace and emulate about ethnic beauty?" said Us Weekly fashion director Sasha Charnin Morrison. "The use of curvier, more rounded figures looks refreshing."
Celebrities and the media, Etcoff said, have helped promote ethnic beauty. One trait in particular is the larger bottom.
Susan Bloomstone and Lisa Reisler, co-creators of Booty Pop panties, a form of padded underwear used to give an illusion of a larger rear, said their product was inspired by ethnic women in Hollywood, such as entertainers Beyoncé Knowles and Jennifer Lopez.
"Magazines, music, and movies have really created a window for more ethnic women to be noticed for their features," Reisler said. These women, she said, have made the larger, rounder bottom sexy.Gabourey Sidibe is a beauty only in a world dictated by ideals espoused by Black Run America proponents. Sports Illustrated doesn't share the same view that CNN recently shared (for the magazine hopes for massive sales of this particular issue), as the most recent Swimsuit issue was conspicuously absent of the new archetype of beauty in the age of BRA:
More than 70 percent of professional athletes are African American, but you wouldn’t know it by reading the latest issue of Sport’s Illustrated’s much ballyhooed swimsuit issue.OKCupid - an online dating web site populated by individuals too cheap to pay for Match.com or eHarmony - has made headlines for a recent analysis of the most popular keywords that users frequently utilize on their profiles.
The 184-page issue, the magazine’s most profitable, boasts 18 models, but only two are African American and you won’t see them until page 140.
The magazine is one of the industry’s top sellers, averaging more than one million newsstand sales along with 3.2 million issues that go out to subscribers.
Needless to say, getting into the pages of the coveted issue is a career maker, and models such as Brooklyn Decker, this year’s cover, and Bar Refaeli, 2009’s cover model, became household names after appearing in the magazine.
Sports Illustrated has been publishing the swimsuit issue continuously since 1964, and Tyra Banks has been the only African American model to grace the cover. She first appeared in 1996, but shared the cover with model Valeria Mazza, who is white.
No two models since then have shared a cover. All have been white. Only one other issue, 1994’s, featured multiple models. Kathy Ireland, Elle MacPherson and Rachel Hunter appeared together.
Tyra repeated on the cover solo in 1997, but the photo caused a controversy because of allegations that Banks’ hips were photoshopped to make her look slimmer.
In this year’s issue, Jessica White, 26, is one of two African American models. She’s an industry veteran, who was signed, at 16, by the IMG agency and has represented such brands as CoverGirl, Chloé and Gap.
Lost in the euphoria of this study of what words white people and Black people use is an earlier study published by OKCupid lost in translation to those who still seek that old-fashioned notion of beauty (from The New York Times):
John Mayer has recently been criticized for crude remarks he made in an interview, suggesting that he was not sexually attracted to African-American women. Tiger Woods’s alleged actions suggest a similar preference (Bill Maher quipped “He doesn’t need sex rehab; he needs diversity training”).
A fascinating but depressing analysis of messaging at OkCupid.com suggests that discriminatory male preferences are a wider phenomenon.
We’ve written before about oktrends.com, an associated blog where the dating service is refreshingly open about reporting the results of all kinds of interesting number crunching. (I predict that the website’s database will become the basis for more than one Ph.D. dissertation.) OkTrends looked at “the messaging habits of over a million people.” They wanted to find out what happens after one user sends a message to another user. Does the recipient write back?
The basic result is that the race of the sender matters a lot – even after taking into account the user-defined level of compatibility.
OkCupid measures compatibility by the “match percentage,” which is based on the degree to which users give the answer desired by another user (and the level of importance the other user assigned to the question). Look at how nicely the reply rate tracks the match percentage:
Graph: OkTrendsIn words, message recipients are more likely to respond to messages from senders with higher match percentages.
What I’d really like to see is the line for particular sender/recipient race pairs. For example, what happens when the sender is a black woman and the recipient is a white man? But there are so many permutations (regarding sex, race and sender/receiver status) that there would be many, many lines to analyze.
Still, the following chart shows that the average quality of the match for different racial permutations is roughly similar:
Graph: OkTrendsThe post says:
As you can see, the races all match each other roughly evenly: good news. It means all other things being equal, two people, of whatever race, should have the same chance to have a successful relationshp.But depressingly, men of all races write back to African-American women at markedly lower rates. As shown in this chart:
Photo: OkTrendsMen (including African-American men) write back to African-American women at about a 20% lower rate. This result is somewhat reminiscent of the famous resume study done by Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan, which found that employers who place want ads were less likely to respond to resumes from people with African-American sounding names.
But in some ways the OkCupid result is even more depressing than the racial disparities found in employment. It seems that OkCupid doesn’t match couples where the match would be inconsistent with an explicit racial preference of a user. So these racial disparities persist even after excluding users who have stated an explicit racial preference.
The white male recipient column also suggests an interesting supply-demand effect. This mostly yellow column indicates that white males are less likely to write back to women of any race, but they are “fairly even-handed about it.” As summarized by the post:
The average reply rate of non-white males is 48.1%, while white guys’ is only 40.5%. Basically, they write back about 20% less often.The messaging analysis suggests that your willingness to write back might be an inverse function of how willing others are to respond to you. Compare, for example, this complimentary chart concerning male senders:
Graph: OkTrendsWhite men may be pickier about responding to messages that they receive in part because they are more likely to receive responses when they send a message (shown here in the higher percentages found in the white-male sender row).
In contrast, African-American women, who get markedly fewer responses when they write, are much less picky when they receive a message (shown by the greener black female recipient column).
Unfortunately, it’s not just new car bargaining where African-American women seem to face an uphill battle.The world of online dating isn't exactly fertile ground for Black females, a category of potential mate that virtually every male user overlooks without a passing glance:
61 comments:
"One theory offered by the study's lead author, Cynthia Feliciano, a sociologist at the University of California at Irvine, is that men's choices are influenced by the media's portrayal of Asian women as being hypersexual..."
I do not agree absolutely Asian women are to consider hypersexual. This is the usual flawed hysteria from the usual white-coat Caucasian or Latina feminist. She tries to demean Asian women and white men in their choice methods. Pathetic, as every Western feminist.
For sure, Asian women are more desired because they appear more feminine than other ethnic groups' women. The opposite of the previously cited "study".
I do not want appear racist, I loathe feminists of every color, black and white. :-)
Probably men are awaking and they are understanding Western white females and black wannabe mamas are not so good to date, risky about false harassment accusations, unwanted pregnancies (= money extortion from men), extreme promiscuous cheating patterns, testosterone-style aggressivity and so on.
Howard Stern vs. Gabourey Sidibe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVzv-SmPtbU
I have to give Howard credit for willing to tell the truth about Gabourey, and for dismantling all the positive, politically correct, "you're on the thresh hold of a brilliant career"-bullshit that Oprah spoke about Gabourey at the Oscars earlier this year.
I believe in being okay with yourself. I don't believe in starving one-self to death to be skinny...or taking steroids to bulk up. But there comes a point when a person is simply too big and unhealthy and Gabourey is it. There's no reason why she should be on the cover of any fashion or health magazine. It sends the wrong message.
And I must say, I've been able to find beautiful people in every race on this planet except one: the Aboriginals. Sorry folks, but those are the ugliest people I have ever seen. Not a single good looking person among them. They look like borderline Neanderthals. Blacks, whites, Asians, latinos, Jews, East Europeans, Indians, Native Americans...I can always find a beautiful man or woman, but amongst the Aboriginals? Forget it.
"Probably men are awaking and they are understanding Western white females and black wannabe mamas are not so good to date, risky about false harassment accusations, unwanted pregnancies (= money extortion from men), extreme promiscuous cheating patterns, testosterone-style aggressivity and so on"
I officially revoke your penis holder's card. Your Mother probably breast fed you too long. I for one am tired of dudes like you blaming women for getting pregnant. It takes TWO to make a baby and when ignorant morons refuse to wear condoms and then are surprised when someone gets knocked up, i just get pissed. Most guys like you also walk away from those pregnancies that you blame on the women and dont pay for your bastards which makes people like me have to with higher taxes. You are probably also against abortion! Women are probably cheating more these days but come on, males have set the bar pretty high why can't they try to reach it too? As far as aggression goes, well again males have set that bar high too. Just for the record misogynists(which you are) are just as bad if not worse than feminists! Then again I am not afraid of women. I guess that's the difference between a balanced sane guy and one that's well retarded! LMAO! You really need to visit your Mom and ask if you can suckle on a tit for a bit. I think that's what you and those like you really need!
Whoa! Thank you for talking some sense into people!
Fox News: We Report, You Decide.
CNN: We Deceive, You Believe.
Shameful reporting by CNN once again. With all the "Black in America" documentaries that CNN loves to rehash, why not do a "White in America" documentary to get the real truth on how whites feel instead of using useless statistics to sell a story.
Black-Run America or not, it's equally important to get the whole story instead of just assuming that all whites are doing something because of statistics. Even I as a black male can see that it's yellow journalism at its finest. If only the news would report the truth the same way that SBPDL does...
-OBG.
SBPDL,
I absolutely love this post. When the typical American Negro, learns that the typical White person is not so crazy about them. Then and only then will we see an improvement in the quality of life for all Americans.
Stop chasing white women. They don't want you.
Stop chasing white men. They don't want you.
Whitopia is just that for a reason. They don't want you there.
Your white co-workers are just that, co-workers. They aren't your friends.
If only the truth can get out to the popular media. Things would be great.
I believe black women are the most beautiful women on the planet, but I'm black. Any white man that doesn't believe the same thing about white women is a liar, a freak, or both.
The sooner DWL's and their naive Negro lap dogs get that through their thick skulls the better off we'll all be.
"Gabourey Sidibe is a beauty only in a world dictated by ideals espoused by Black Run America proponents. Sports Illustrated doesn't share the same view that CNN recently shared (for the magazine hopes for massive sales of this particular issue), as the most recent Swimsuit issue was conspicuously absent of the new archetype of beauty in the age of BRA:"
Let me say this first. Gabourey Sidibe is disgusting.
Bravo to SI magazine for not caving into Patronizing Political correctness. All things being equal black women are only attractive and desirable to 15% of the population.
-Black guy
A couple of factoids concerning online dating that this article does not mention:
1. Black women are disproportionately obese.
2. Black women are significantly more likely to have a litter of out-of-wedlock children.
These two reasons alone will make most guys pass.
Mmmmm, Diane Kruger!!, truely a German Goddess!!
I've seen beautiful women of most races. I've seen many lovely Asians, latinos, orientals & middle easterners. But I do admit that I find negroid features unsightly (thick-upturned lips, flared nostrils, nappy hair & prognathism-the protruding lower face & jaw that gives negroes that "simian" appearance!). The only truely "beatiful" black women than I've seen have obvoius white/asian/latino admixture (C'mon, Haley Berry looks like a white woman with a really good tan!).
Percy Kitten, you are so right about aboriginals. I remember seeing a cover on the 'National Geographic" about a reconstructed face of a "Homo-Erectus", my first thought is that it looked just like an aboriginal!!.
Malfoy, Spet 14 9:44 AM is quite obviously a (unbalanced) woman.
There's the word choice, and phrasing, certainly, but most damning feature of the post is the entirely unnecessary overabundance of exclamation marks. Oh, and the whole mommy fixation thing.
Here's a tip sweetie: the next time you feel compelled to spew such verbal diarrhea, take a couple breaths and ask yourself "does this make me look crazy?" Chances are you won't be able to tell, but the answer is yes.
It seems we hit a nerve here.
The post we are commenting, is here from the point of view of race issues, while it is well suited for seeing gender issues too.
Malfoy, judging from your continuous references to a mother figure, it is clear who has issues. A bit neurotic for a so called official tone.
Of course men need always a condom, except those fools wanting procreate in this anti white and anti male climate, but there are some victims trusting woman about pill or so.
Being you so feminist, and speaking about abortion, thing no one mentioned (who could possibly care), I can guess you are a leftist. So, relax, your ideology imposes you to enjoy paying all your income in taxes, for parasitic females and minorities.
Not happy, it seems? Well, another hypocrisy about you commie people, as this nice site taught us (apart 1:blacks and 2:women, there are 3:DWL, what was it for? deranged white leftist?).
Anyway I bet you do not need to pay so much taxes.
Poor Malfoy, Hermione is laughing at you.
instead of just assuming that all whites are doing something because of statistics.
When the typical American Negro
The first statement is typical of multicultural Marxist, blacks and black apologist. It is what the left uses to misdirect and obfuscate. Not ALL black are criminals, not ALL blacks are IQ challenged, not ALL blacks are...
The second statement i.e. typical and not all is generally what is true. i.e. Black typically voting for Obamnation because he was black, Blacks typically are white hating thugs, blacks typically don't do well in school, blacks typically don't take responsibility for their shortcomings or what they do...
"All things being equal black women are only attractive and desirable to 15% of the population. "
And so while you are celebrating all the beautiful black women, and sounding like you are encouraging blacks to stay with their own, Black Guy, could you take a moment to comment for us on the over 70% out of wedlock birth rate of blacks, the high black crime and incarceration rates, the high rate of welfare abuse by blacks, the poor school performance of blacks, and the third-world conditions of most black neighborhoods? Will all of that go away once blacks move to magical negroville and finally get their shit together???
Are you sure you are ready for your Blacktopia, or will you still prefer that whites run everything and pay all of the taxes so that we can maintain a somewhat civilized society? I can't imagine that you are completely OK with a separate society for blacks. I will never believe it. If so, lets let the south drop off and you guys can give it a try.
Probably men are awaking and they are understanding Western white females and black wannabe mamas are not so good to date, risky about false harassment accusations, unwanted pregnancies (= money extortion from men), extreme promiscuous cheating patterns, testosterone-style aggressivity and so on.
Unfortunately, only a Caucasian woman can produce Caucasian children. So white gals win, paper, rock, scissors.
Relationships and marriage do not revolve around the individual's pleasure. As far as I'm concerned, Caucasian people have an obligation to stay within the tribe.
"Probably men are awaking and they are understanding Western white females and black wannabe mamas are not so good to date, risky about false harassment accusations, unwanted pregnancies (= money extortion from men), extreme promiscuous cheating patterns, testosterone-style aggressivity and so on."
I was agreeing with you until this paragraph. You managed to only tell your biased view that only whites and blacks have these problems. You may not see cases of asians on tv with these problems, but there's a reason. One, asians don't populate the U.S as much as blacks and whites do, so it's easy to assume that only blacks and whites do this.
Now, if you were to be fair and admit that this happens among your race just as much, then I would have agreed with your statement.
Honest Crusader
What I find absolutely hysterical is how you emphasize the so-called evolutionary basis of people desiring white women and completely ignore the real issue that I, for one, have been harping on since I started commenting on this site:
BRAINWASHING!
There is absolutely no reason for a man of color to hold up as 'most beautiful' a woman who looks like themselves or their mother (in case they are mixed race).
If they do, then they are just victims of Euro-centric and white supremacist brainwashing. Hello? You don't see the connection, SBPDL?
I agree with Black Guy. The sooner black people get it through their heads that white folks will never see them as equals, even after sex, the happier everyone will be. I have no problem admitting that I like white men but, unlike other blacks (and ASIANS, omg!!), I would never throw myself upon one in hopes of elevating my status. I'd rather be single if that was the only way I could couple off.
Because, regardless of what most PoC say to you, white people reading this thread, they will show you off like a show dog if you were to get together with them. It is repulsive behavior to treat anyone like they are a trophy, yes, even Whitey... Of course, the only one to blame for that is white supremacy, but people should know better nowadays.
BTW, it's completely misogynistic to have that pic of the white woman at the top. That's the problem with Patriarchy: women are only valued for their looks and, worse still, in a racist system, a white woman is even more burdened with having to be beautiful AND being the symbol of white power/rule. White men amaze me.
And Gabby Sidibe is a fat pig and she needs to lose weight. A white girl of equal proportion is also a fat pig and needs to lose weight. Why you continue to harp on Gabby like she's the standard of beauty for black women, completely ignoring other popular black women--like Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, or Beyonce--is fucking retarded. Maybe you have a 'thing' for Gabby or something. O_o
The only people who like Gabby is Oprah and white people, Mr. Beck. Amend your post.
An egregious typo (yikes); I meant to say:
"There is absolutely no reason for a man of color to hold up as 'most beautiful' a woman who DOES NOT look like themselves or their mother (in case they are mixed race)."
My mistake...
Traveller = total bs. White women are the pinnacle of beauty worldwide. Whether white people promote white beauty or not white women would still be considered the pinnacle because beauty is beauty.
Non-East Asian people have an imaginary picture of East Asian women as being docile, submissive and dependent. In reality, East Asian women are passive-aggressive, wanna-be white women, demanding, hard, haughty, melancholy and competitive. East Asian women in America have the lowest unemployment rate and the highest education rate according to 2009 Labor Force Characteristics by Race and Ethnicity by the US Department of Labor. So much for East Asian women not going along with feminist thought when employment and education were two pillars of the feminist movement. Many East Asian women especially celebrities have radical face altering plastic surgery to look more white. There are tons of video online showing the radical transformations of Japanese, Korean, Chinese and Taiwanese celebrities. East Asian women have plastic surgery on their eyelids, nose, cheeks (shaving them down), bleach their skin, dye their hair lighter colors, and wear light colored contacts to look white. White women are not going to plastic surgeons asking for pan faces or bell-shaped noses.
Three reasons a few white men date outside their race in America is 1 in 3 white women are obese (while only 1 in 10 East Asian women are), some white women outwardly have bad attitudes or they want something different. White people should do better to attract other white people like lose weight and do a better job of raising white children instead of looking for non-white people.
To whom it may concern,
Don't worry my white "brothers and sisters". This is PC B.S. Racial attitudes haven't changed and will not change in our lifetimes, if ever.
These surveys of this feel good nonsense just reflects changing views of racial and ethnic minorities, not white people. So, we're talking about a small percentage of an even smaller number.
Statistics can be manipulated to show just about any thing. Check out Steve Sailer's blog he exposes the truth about interracial relationships. It's okay, he's white. So, you can trust he won't lie to you. LOL!
Less than 5% of whites are involved in interracial relationships. CNN just ignored the views of 95% of all white Americans. I guess when news becomes entertainment that's what we get. Fantasy land bullshit!
I would love it if CNN saved this garbage for "we love black people" month.
-Black guy
""I agree with Black Guy. The sooner black people get it through their heads that white folks will never see them as equals""
How about we see ourselves as having a right to exist? A right to preserve our race, culture and way of life. Is that alright with you?
"As OKCupid statistics show, one type of girl is highly sought after by most users."
According to the table, Middle Eastern females receive the highest reply rates. Is that what SBPDL meant? If not, it seems SBPDL did not even bother to look at the OKCupid numbers before falsely declaring white females (actually a measly 5th place on the table) the winner. The OKCupid data actually SUPPORTS the CNN claim that Eurocentric female beauty is on the decline! But somehow both SBPDL and the commenters have failed to notice this....
Need any more evidence that racists are willfully blind?
Reply rates mean these girls are desperate to go out with anyone and not exactly selective. They will respond to any message, without reservation.
One more thing: OKCupid is a disgusting Web site. More palatable online dating sites that require payment DO NOT disclose information on their client base.
What a reply translates too is a shotgun approach instead of a rifle strategy.
Nice try.
"BRAINWASHING!"
Deziree, you're like a broken tape recorder stuck on repeat. What a bore.
If you are correct that black people are so infantile and weak-willed and can so easily be brainwashed...
Then why can't they be brainwashed into staying in school and emphasizing education?
Why can't they be brainwashed into getting married before having children?
Why can't they be brainwashed into not committing crime?
Why can't they be brainwashed into behaving like responsible human beings?
@Anonymous 9:06am:
Yeah... maybe I could have said 'brainwashing' in a different way but it is because that is what it is: PoC are socialized into believing white is best.
Watch TV, look at magazine covers, go to the movies. All children of color see is white faces and white ideals. This is the only thing everyone sees all over the world.
If a black child watches a film and sees a dark skinned black woman and goes, 'Ugh!' his mind has been taken over. There mother is black? What, is she 'ugh'-worthy, too?
The image of beauty is completely Euro-centric and the programmers of the lie of beauty say it is 'biological' when the reality is most of their test subjects used in the quantification of beauty are white looking at Euro faces.
Complete bullshit. Check the 'Human Face' with John Cleese to watch Dr. Stephen Marguardt and his 'golden ratio' in a white woman's face bullshit for yourself. Watch 'America the Beautiful'. Expand your mind, man.
It's all brainwashing, whether you think I'm being a broken record or not. If a little black girl thinks nappy hair is ugly, it's because she's only processed in her mind straight hair as beautiful.
Selling beauty products in Asia using white faces shows that beauty being white is not 'ingrained' but it has been conditioned. Hello?
If you can't put 2 and 2 together, I can't help you. It's obvious what it is. There is no evolutionary basis in white being the most beautiful. That is BS and if you'd relinquish your racism you'd see that.
I won't even respond to the other crap you wrote. I can turn that onto poor Europeans in E. Europe as well. But, see, that's the link isn't it? POVERTY breeds antisocial behavior (criminality) and poor decision making.
As my mom says, 'Sex is free'...
I know I get a lot of flak for continuing to post comments by those people find undeserving of that privilege, but Desiree stated something that lacks merit in her latest response:
"But, see, that's the link isn't it? POVERTY breeds antisocial behavior (criminality) and poor decision making."
This response is patently untrue and must be constantly attacked as fallacious.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703580904574638024055735590.html#
http://www.parapundit.com/archives/007491.html
Anyways, to the one person who commented about the prevalence for Middle Eastern girls on OKCupid to respond, I ask why haven't you responded to what I wrote yet regarding the reasoning behind this rather obvious answer.
Ugly girls (of all races) take what they can get, because the demand for their affection isn't that intense.
Hot girls (of any race) have a large supply of many would be suitors battling for their affection.
I have a number of theories about online dating and will write something about this interesting subject later.
Black Guy,
All of your comments on the patheticness of blacks goes to show your stubborness and cowardice. At least their are those of us willing to put aside our differences for the better and not be the old stubborn grandpa. Are you a grandpa anyway?
As in, are you one of those cranky old stubborn blacks who believe in separation from the evil whites? If so, you sure expose yourself with your comments. Anyway,I admire those blacks who put aside their hatred or the hatred against them, and try or make a difference. You sound like an echo that never ends.
You sit lazilly on your sofa judging those of us who are at least trying, how righteous and insightful you are...
Conclusion: Next time you decide to sit and ridicule those of us doing something, think about where you stand how useful you REALLY are.
Honest Crusader struck once more....
"This response is patently untrue and must be constantly attacked as fallacious."
If I recall, one of your rules was to be nice. For the creator or main head of this blog, you've done a real "GOOD" at that. SBPDL, you have posted a statement encouraging cyber arguments instead of focusing on your own written topic. This site is bull, and if you can't even follow your own rule, then what does that make you look like?
Now for sure, if you ridicule or judge us for breaking your "law" you will be the ultimate hypocrite, and I know you could care less, but it my job as a citizen to the truth out. This site is still hilarious, but I must inform the others of this misjudgement on your part. Now I know that since I've rebuked and provoked your view, that this comment won't be posted.
I could care less. Either way I know you'll have read it, and that it will affect you either way. You'd be wise on your part not to post this comment sense it shows volumes of your own stubborn character.
SBPDL says:
"Reply rates mean these girls are desperate to go out with anyone and not exactly selective. They will respond to any message, without reservation."
OKCupid says:
"But depressingly, men of all races write back to African-American women at markedly lower rates. As shown in this chart:"
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/03/03/opinion/OkCupid-Chart3/OkCupid-Chart3-blogSpan.jpg
SBPDL, you have got it wrong again. It is explicitly stated that reply rates are how often MEN REPLY TO THE WOMEN. Now are you going to admit that white women come 5th in men's racial preferences, or are you going to remain purposefully illiterate?
"PoC are socialized into believing white is best."
Then why can't blacks be socialized into staying in school and emphasizing education?
Why can't they be socialized into getting married before having children?
Why can't they be socialized into not committing crime?
Why can't they be socialized into behaving like responsible human beings?
"POVERTY breeds antisocial behavior (criminality) and poor decision making."
Poverty is a DIRECT RESULT of out-of-wedlock birth.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/8_1_a1.html
Households with two parents have virtually ZERO likelihood of being impoverished.
As always, you refuse to hold blacks accountable for their own behavior, Blame-Whitey-Blame-Whitey-Blame-Whitey, same old negro song and dance.
Pathetic.
"Next time you decide to sit and ridicule those of us doing something"
"doing something"???
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
"This site is bull"
Yet you're here, like always!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
"You'd be wise on your part not to post this comment sense it shows volumes of your own stubborn character."
You still think that ANYONE gives a shit about your comments?????
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You can't even spell "since".
And the phrase is "I couldn't care less", dipshit.
SBPDL:
So, what is the cause of crime, or criminality in blacks? Abundance of melanin? Nappy hair? Full lips? LOL... sure...
While in psychology, we learned that correlation does not always equal causation. That's true, and I think there are many posts here on this blog where you ignore this fundamental 'no shit!' rule when looking at stats. (Not surprising.)
However, whether you or the Wall Street Journal want to believe it, poverty is at the root of antisocial behaviors. Think about it, really: poor children have no resources to thrive and, thus, the propensity for them to learn unhealthy social behaviors and 'get into things' is much higher than a middle class child who has resources, who has opportunities.
It should also be noted that joblessness does not equal poverty, although not having a job can lower one's socioeconomic status, so the 'stats' allowing people to ignore the truth (more joblessness, less crime) is misleading. There are many people who have jobs but are impoverished.
Poverty is like a cycle and it breeds poor decision-making, for the most part. That you cannot see the link between no opportunities and antisocial behavior is just very strange!
The DSM-IV states that there exists a higher occurrence of antisocial personality in poorer areas. We must remember that sociopathy is found very frequently amongst male prison inmates, many of whom detail impoverished backgrounds or, if we were to look back a generation, parents (who instill in children behaviors) from impoverished backgrounds.
No resources -> no ability to thrive -> no hope -> poor choices
This is sociology 101, man (or pick up a DSM-IV!). Poverty is the root!
The WSJ is wrong; besides Rupert Murdoch owns that now and I can connect the dots: it is advantageous to certain interests (conservative) to print an article like that because it allows those interests to not fund or even push for programs geared at ensuring poor children (such as some black kids) have equal opportunities, similar to middle-to-upper class children.
That's not a conspiracy theory either... The only way we can truly eradicate criminality is to equalize opportunity. Crime has nothing to do with race!
Anon,
I failed to see anything unkind in my response to Desiree.
However, she did just write:
"So, what is the cause of crime, or criminality in blacks? Abundance of melanin? Nappy hair? Full lips? LOL... sure..."
Well, looking at Thugreport.com, the ultimate crime aggregate Web site, one would get that impression...
"So, what is the cause of crime, or criminality in blacks?"
A fundamental, biological inability to behave like civilized human beings. A quick glance at every black country in the world confirms this fact.
SBPDL:
DSM-IV page 647:
Antisocial personality disorder appears to be associated with low socioeconomic status and urban settings. Concerns have been raised that the diagnosis may at times be misapplied to individuals in settings in which seemingly antisocial behavior may be part of a protective survival strategy. In assessing antisocial traits, it is helpful for the clinician to consider the social and economic context in which the behaviors occur.
@Anonymous 3:54pm:
If someone has a baby before 24, as one of my teachers once said (he believed in the poverty-crime link, BTW), there is a huge likelihood of being impoverished in comparison to someone who does not have a baby. I believe that to be true...
However, out-of-wedlock births is an outdated taboo. The rate of divorce in this country is hovering around 50-51%; a woman will be a single mother sooner or later. Although I had two married parents until 5 or so, I was raised basically by my mother. No problems here. Not having that ring when one has a baby means nothing; what's important is income, which is why celebrities can have bastard children w/o a care in the world.
Poverty's cause is not only out-of-wedlock births. Marriage is merely an invention, a stamp on a page. People have been having babies out-of-wedlock for millennia. If there is a link, it's because of social stigma and, again, the drastic decrease in opportunities that occur when one has a child (hmmm... there might even be a patriarchy conspiracy in there as well...).
"Then why can't blacks be socialized into staying in school and emphasizing education?
Why can't they be socialized into getting married before having children?
Why can't they be socialized into not committing crime?
Why can't they be socialized into behaving like responsible human beings?"
Um, I'm living proof that this is possible, dummy. So are the millions of successful blacks in this country. Next...
"poverty is at the root of antisocial behaviors."
Illegitimacy is at the root of poverty. As long as blacks continue their habit of out-of-wedlock birth, they will remain in poverty, and of course they'll blame whitey.
"However, she did just write:
"So, what is the cause of crime, or criminality in blacks? Abundance of melanin? Nappy hair? Full lips? LOL... sure..."
Well, looking at Thugreport.com, the ultimate crime aggregate Web site, one would get that impression..."
That was pretty funny, actually. ;-)
Although whitewatch.wordpress.com is now defunct, I could say something similar based on what one would encounter whilst reading that blog: the cause of pedophilia and the propensity for bestiality seems to be fair hair, eyes, and skin.
Damn! That sucks...
"the cause of pedophilia and the propensity for bestiality seems to be fair hair, eyes, and skin."
You're an idiot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWJOn45xCX8
Whites constitute about 75% of all pedophiles, equal to their 75% segment of the population.
Yet blacks account for 50% of all murderers, about 4 times their 12% segment of the population.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/south-africas-shame-the-rise-of-child-rape-1974578.html
I've already talked about that now defunct Web site Whitewatch.
It relied on WORLD WIDE events, while Thugreport.com just posts crime stories from around America, subsisting on a diet that seems to be consistent in every major US city.
Commenter on the OKCupid stats,
OKCupid is free Web site, thus it attracts a cross-section of well, to put it nicely, losers and dregs.
I'm still not quite sure what I was replying too in your initial post, but the quality girls are found at eharmony and Match.com. OKCupid has a reputation of being a Web site for picking up easy chicks and a quick "lay"... are we to infer that white girls who use OKCupid are thus the 5th easiest to score with?
eHarmony and Match.com weed out the undesirable individuals by requiring payment to join. If - if - the stats from Match.com came out I'm sure we'd see some hilarious data to sift through that wouldn't look anything like OKCupid.
Do the Middle Eastern chicks wear Burka's in their pictures?
The point of the article seems lost on you. Black Guy got it...
"The WSJ is wrong"
Typical negro non-argument.
The article is thoroughly documented, and is 100% accurate.
SBPDL:
"OKCupid is free Web site, thus it attracts a cross-section of well, to put it nicely, losers and dregs."
"If - if - the stats from Match.com came out I'm sure we'd see some hilarious data to sift through that wouldn't look anything like OKCupid."
SBPDL, YOU were the one who chose to us OKCupid as a source in the first place to make black women look bad. Now that you realize that the SAME SOURCE shows that white women don't look that good either, you start backing away from it. Typical.
You can say whatever you want about OKCupid, but the data still shows that MEN who use OKCupid are more interested in Middle Eastern, Asian, Pacific Islander, and Other women than white women. In other words, white women are FAR FROM THE TOP in attractiveness. All I need from you is an admission that your claim of white women being at the top is unsupported by the data that YOU YOURSELF CHOSE TO PRESENT in your article.
Until you have other data to present, the CNN claim stands: Eurocentric beauty IS on the decline.
The entire article proves the point that was made. Read it carefully, and click on all of the links. As of yet, Match.com and eHarmony have refused to disclose member information for study.
This Web site is about SBPDL, and the point was made regarding online dating web sites, based on the OKCupid study.
I suggest you go sign up for OKCupid and look at the people at comprise the membership.
"to make black women look bad."
1. Highest rate of obesity.
2. Highest rate of out-of-wedlock birth.
3. Lowest marriage rate.
""So, what is the cause of crime, or criminality in blacks? Abundance of melanin? Nappy hair? Full lips? LOL... sure...""
LOL! So, "Abundance of melanin? Nappy hair? Full lips?" are caused by poverty? LOL LOL LOL
"So, what is the cause of crime, or criminality in blacks?"
A fundamental, biological inability to behave like civilized human beings. A quick glance at every black country in the world confirms this fact.
Okay, there is absolutely no legitimate evidence (probably NO evdience but I'm being conservative) that proves blacks are more likely to be 'uncivilized'. ('civilized' is subjective, btw.) Are you a complete fucking moron? That has not been proven by anyone. That you can even type such a ludicrous and unsupported statement shows how mentally unbalanced you are.
Please read 'White Racism' by Joe Feagin and Hernan Vera. There is an amazingly astute chapter within that discusses how white racism is a mental illness. I think you (and SBPDL) should be checked out...
You want me to look at black countries... well, okay... You know what these countries also have in common? A history of colonization and conquest by Europeans. Go figure! BTW, I'm 'civilized'... does that make me not black by your logic?
Illegitimacy is at the root of poverty. As long as blacks continue their habit of out-of-wedlock birth, they will remain in poverty, and of course they'll blame whitey.
Illegitimacy happens to correlate with poverty but is not its cause. Remember: reading-statistics-101 says 'correlation does not always equal causation'. If the above were true, like I've already stated, even celebrities would experience a dramatic shift in socioeconomic status. But, apparently, that is not the case, is it?
A correlation between illegitimacy and poverty shows something more frightening: our system is set up AGAINST single women with children. The stigma of illegitimacy is a thing of the past for the most part, but the institutional limitations still exist. Why would a woman need to have a baby in wedlock? Because having a husband (a man, OMG!!) would mean he could go out into the world without experiencing the social limitations a woman would face! While she is at home? Isn't that just one source of income? Couldn't a woman support herself and child if the system were set up differently in that a mother should always have access to childcare?
But the system is not set up that way. The system is set up so everyone who is not white, male, or of child-bearing potential WILL encounter obstacles and hardship. Illegitimacy is not a precursor to poverty; it just does not help the situation if one already has diminished opportunity. Lack of opportunity is the source of poverty and when we fix that, we will fix poverty, and, ultimately, end crime.
Whites constitute about 75% of all pedophiles, equal to their 75% segment of the population.
Yet blacks account for 50% of all murderers, about 4 times their 12% segment of the population.
Proportionality has nothing to do with the pedophilia bit I said, dummy. You are completely myopic. But a rate of 75% (is that an arbitrary figure, LOL? I would've guessed 9 out of 10 pedophiles [not child molesters] were white!) is pretty startling!
So, nearly 8 in 10 pedos are white, while you are looking at proportions of black murderers (50%) in a country were they make up 13% of the population. If we factor in the global population of whites, I guess your figure would stand (or increase to 9 in 10 pedos are white) while the figure of black murderers would level out.
Gee, so fair skin, hair, and eyes really does correlate! I was just trying to be funny...
SBPDL:
You bash White Watch needlessly. On thugreport what do those criminals most likely have in common besides race? Poverty! That is more than the pedophiles, which seems to be just whiteness. WW gets many of there pedophile and bestiality stories from completely colorless countries.
I was just speaking in jest but there seems to be something in the white milieu that creates these pedophiles. Thugreport is just this: if you seek, you shall find. White people are just as much criminal IN THIS COUNTRY so they can feature them on their website as 'thugs'.
Please read 'White Racism'. The section on racism as mental illness would be good for you, as well. (I know you did a post on that but it was BS; sorry. Your site belies a healthy psychology.)
"Okay, there is absolutely no legitimate evidence (probably NO evdience but I'm being conservative) that proves blacks are more likely to be 'uncivilized'. ('civilized' is subjective, btw.) Are you a complete fucking moron? That has not been proven by anyone. That you can even type such a ludicrous and unsupported statement shows how mentally unbalanced you are."
Of course, it is not permissible to conclude that this is because of natural, genetic handicaps from which blacks suffer, so anti-white arguments inevitably rush in to fill the explanatory void. Blacks the world over, whether they live only among themselves or among people of other races, are said to lead lives of failure and misery only because whites have oppressed them in the past and continue to oppress them in the present. It makes no difference that this explanation falls apart under scrutiny; it is the only one that is permitted because the alternative does not conform to current political dogma.
"Please read 'White Racism' by Joe Feagin and Hernan Vera. There is an amazingly astute chapter within that discusses how white racism is a mental illness. I think you (and SBPDL) should be checked out..."
Please read "White Guilt" by Shelby Steele.There is an amazingly astute chapter within that discusses how white guilt is a mental illness.I think you (and White Watch) should be checked out...
"You want me to look at black countries... well, okay... You know what these countries also have in common? A history of colonization and conquest by Europeans. Go figure! BTW, I'm 'civilized'... does that make me not black by your logic?"
The argument that colonization accounts for Africa’s poverty is so easily refuted that it should have gone out of currency long ago. That it has not can be attributed only to the apparently endless capacity of whites to accept arguments that paint them as villain.
To believe that colonization thwarted the economic development of Africa is to believe that indigenous societies were on their way towards prosperity but were brutally shoved off course by Europeans. In fact, African societies south of the Sahara that had not had contact either with Europeans or with Middle Eastern traders showed no signs of modern development. No pre-contact African society had devised a written language or had discovered the wheel. None had a calendar, or built multi-story buildings. No African had learned how to domesticate animals. The smelting of iron was widespread, as was fire-hardened pottery, but the continent did not produce anything that could be called a mechanical device.
Ethiopia & Liberia were never colonies!...Also, how do you explin former European colonies that have booming economies or reached a high state of development like Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Hong-Kong, Indonesia, india & so on....Hmmm, could it be because they are not black?!!....Huh
"Illegitimacy happens to correlate with poverty but is not its cause. Remember: reading-statistics-101 says 'correlation does not always equal causation'. If the above were true, like I've already stated, even celebrities would experience a dramatic shift in socioeconomic status. But, apparently, that is not the case, is it?"
In 1995, among the American poor, there were 16.3 million Whites (real ones), 10.0 million Blacks, 8.6 million "Hispanics," and 1.4 million Asians. Blacks comprised about 27.6% of the American poor.
During that year, Blacks committed about 54% of all US murders. Remember that the FBI, from whom the murder information comes, counts "Hispanics" as "Whites," making the total number of poor persons eligible to be committing murders as "Whites" about 24.8 million. These "Whites" comprised 68.5% of the American poor, but committed - at most - only 46% of 1995 US murders, if we make the doubtful assumption that Asians and Amerindians committed none. The evidence argues against the liberal hypothesis that poverty causes crime.
"A correlation between illegitimacy and poverty shows something more frightening: our system is set up AGAINST single women with children. The stigma of illegitimacy is a thing of the past for the most part, but the institutional limitations still exist. Why would a woman need to have a baby in wedlock? Because having a husband (a man, OMG!!) would mean he could go out into the world without experiencing the social limitations a woman would face! While she is at home? Isn't that just one source of income? Couldn't a woman support herself and child if the system were set up differently in that a mother should always have access to childcare?"
The black community has a 70% illegitimacy rate. It’s really staggering when you think about it. And I bet if you isolated the illegitimacy rates to just the ghetto, the percentage of single mother homes would be even higher. As a result, the ghetto tends to be a very matriarchal community. And most of the men you do find tend to be young. As Tariq Nasheed says in his book The Mack Within, you hardly see older men in the hood. This is because when most guys get past a certain age in the hood, they have either worked their way out, gone to jail, entered the military or died from violence or drugs. So not only do young ghetto guys lack fathers to instruct them in how to be men, but they also lack older male authority figures outside their family to look up to (most teachers are female too) in their neighborhood.
Exotics are in? Then why do the wives of the wealthy remain overwhelmingly the northwest european - blonde and blue eyed, or brunette with fair skin, tall and slender and delicate featured - ideal? Of course, men will “settle” for exotics, but alphas don’t have to…and don’t.
"You bash White Watch needlessly. On thugreport what do those criminals most likely have in common besides race? Poverty! That is more than the pedophiles, which seems to be just whiteness. WW gets many of there pedophile and bestiality stories from completely colorless countries."
Desiree
You bash SBPDL "needlessly".Poverty, you still say? Let's take a look at the state of West Virginia.
http://www.netstate.com/states/alma/wv_alma.htm
Lowest crime rate in America:
Crimes Reported per 100,000 (1992-1993) 2,532.6 Rank 51st
Violent Crimes 208.4 Rank 48th
Almost the lowest per capita income:
West Virginia - 95% White, 3.2% Black
As of 2003 West Virginia blacks accounted for just 3.2% of the total population and 34.9% of the total prison poulation.
Simply translated: White areas are safer areas. That is an irrefutable fact. The poverty argument, or excuse more accurately, can be torn to shreds time-after-time. It's for that reason that we must look at race from a collective standpoint; not on an individual basis, as the latter does not reflect the severity or magnitude of the problems associated with blacks.
"Please read 'White Racism'. The section on racism as mental illness would be good for you, as well. (I know you did a post on that but it was BS; sorry. Your site belies a healthy psychology.)"
Please read "White Guilt".The section on racism as mental illness would be good for you as well.
"I was just speaking in jest but there seems to be something in the white milieu that creates these pedophiles. Thugreport is just this: if you seek, you shall find. White people are just as much criminal IN THIS COUNTRY so they can feature them on their website as 'thugs'."
Yet another myth spread by blacks to instill white guilt and hide the fact that when it comes to crime and slovenly behavior, blacks win every time:
In the U.S., blacks are 4 times more likely to molest children than Whites are.
In Africa, baby and toddler rapes are commonplace.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=baby+rapes+africa&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=toddler+rapes+africa&btnG=Search
"Please read 'White Racism'. The section on racism as mental illness would be good for you, as well. (I know you did a post on that but it was BS; sorry. Your site belies a healthy psychology.)"
Please read "White Guilt".The section on racism as mental illness would be good for you as well.
"You can't even spell "since".
And the phrase is "I couldn't care less", dipshit."
Reasoning with you on why I had the grammar mistake is futile seeing how stubborn you are. Also, the phrase, "I could care less" is in fact correct. For example, "I could care less about your views" means that whoever that person is, doesn't care for your views. By me saying I could care less, I was saying I don't care if my comment wasn't posted.
Also, sense is spelled correctly, but it isn't the right form of the word that was needed. And you've lost the argument by having to use name-calling. So go on ahead and continue your futile argument. "I could care less" about anything you have to say from now on.
SBPDL,
By encouraging for a comment to be targeted is doing something unkind.
"You still think that ANYONE gives a shit about your comments?????"
What I find funny, is how you respond to every single comment I post, and repeat, "You still think anyone cares about what you have to say" line to me. Obviously you do if you're compelled to do so every single comment. Now that deserves an LOLOLOLOL.
Also, why is it that there is always someone commenting on my post if they don't care? No matter how many times you insult me and reply, you are not fooling anyone with your "Nobody cares" act. It's old and it's about time you've retired. Also, why is that the writer of the site comments on my posts? I think I've given my point now.
The real LOLOLOLOL goes to you....
"Okay, there is absolutely no legitimate evidence (probably NO evdience but I'm being conservative) that proves blacks are more likely to be 'uncivilized'."
You are an amazing idiot.
Please list all the black countries of the world in which blacks have built and maintained a highly structured society.
(Clue: there are none.)
Now list all the countries that were once highly structured, then turned into shit-holes when they were taken over by blacks.
(Haiti, South Africa, Zimbabwe, etc etc etc)
"For example, "I could care less about your views" means that whoever that person is, doesn't care for your views."
If you "could care less", then that means it is possible for you to care even less then what your current amount of care happens to be.
If you "couldn't care less", then it is not possible for you to care less.
http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html
This is pretty basic stuff.
"And you've lost the argument by having to use name-calling."
You sound like a child "I win, I win, I win."
Funny.
"Also, why is it that there is always someone commenting on my post if they don't care?"
Since you need to have everything spoon-fed to you, please pay attention...
Like everyone else here, I do not give a shit about what you think, your opinions are largely absurd and fatuous.
However, I thoroughly enjoy ridiculing you and pointing out the fallacy of almost everything you write. It's fun.
:o)
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