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Thursday, September 30, 2010
#132. Income Inequality
There is a specter haunting America...
Black people love to spend money. Purchasing flashy items to adorn the ear lobe, teeth, neck, body, feet, car or other property is the primary reason saving money for the future is greeted with difficulty in the Black community.
The largest disparity exists in Bridgeport-Stamford, Conn., where the per capita income for black residents is $20,368, which is 35.9 percent of the comparable figure for whites, $56,729.
The next four metros with the largest income gaps between blacks and whites are Boise, Idaho; Portland, Maine; Salt Lake City and Miami-Fort Lauderdale. Per capita incomes for blacks in all four of those areas are less than 41 percent of the per capita incomes for whites.
Business First generated racial income comparisons from the 2009 American Community Survey, which was released Monday by the Census Bureau. The study included 101 metropolitan areas with estimated populations greater than 500,000. (The 102nd metro above that threshold, Jackson, Miss., was excluded because its racial income data were incomplete.)
Business First matched up the per capita incomes for white, black, Hispanic and Asian residents of each metro. Per capita income (PCI) is defined as the average amount of money received by a residents of a given a area in a given year, encompassing such diverse sources of income as salaries, interest payments, dividends, rental income and government checks.
Four New York metros are below the 50 percent mark when black incomes are compared with those of whites: Syracuse (where black PCI is 44.5 percent of white PCI), New York City (47.8 percent), Rochester (48.8 percent) and Albany (49.2 percent).
A recent study which found that the average single black women has a net worth of just $5 may appear to some people to be absurdly, shockingly eye-opening. But the sad truth is that this study represents just one facet of the mounting financial challenges and obstacles facing African American females, and African Americans as a whole.
Indeed, it's very well documented that Blacks in general lag behind their white counterparts on a number of financial measures, including:
- Homeownership rates (did you know 1 in 3 African American homeowners is currently in foreclosure?) - Income levels - Net worth - College degree rates - Dollars invested in the market
...And so on.
But the dilemma facing single black women may be particularly acute when you consider that many have no one to fall back on when times get tight and no real financial safety net. Add to the mix that many of these women are also parents, trying to raise children, and it's easy to see why this situation is so very dangerous. The plight of single black women has the ability to negatively impact an entire generation.
Just as Black people practice "Waiting for Superman" to improve education and thereby removing the racial gap in learning, Black people await passing Go and collecting $200 in an all-out bid to remove income inequities.
Today, African American men working full time and year round have 72 percent of the average earnings of comparable white men. For African American and white women, the ratio is 85 percent. And during good times and bad, the black unemployment rate is typically stuck at about double the white rate.
The persistence of these gaps is the subject of both a scholarly and a popular debate that is ideological as well as technical.
There are two broad views of what is occurring. One view attributes persistent earnings inequality to the injuries of social class compounded by the legacy of segregation and slavery: family background and poor schools and a resulting deficit of cognitive skills are said to explain most of the gap. But a second strand of thinking identifies changes in the labor market and lingering racial discrimination as major factors.
It's not as if this debate is just so much conjecture. There is an extensive body of research on the subject. Numerous studies, in fact, find that not even half of the racial differences in test scores can be explained by family background and school quality. They also show that the economic returns to the test scores and their determinants vary by race and that even when test results are effectively equal, racial earnings gaps remain. So, plain discrimination remains part of the story.
Income inequality will forever haunt Black people who desire to move on up, and for this reason it must be included in Stuff Black People Don't Like. Spend an hour on this Web site, and you might understand why these income inequalities really exist.
31 comments:
Silent Running
said...
There are two broad views of what is occurring.
There is a third view, of course, but it is verboten to speak of it. But it is always there, lurking in the background like a phantom. It sneaks into the mind of a mugging victim, if only for a flashing second. It will never die.
It's finally October!!! In the words of Crank Yanker's Special Ed: 'Yuhaay!'
Judging on the last few posts and the gratuitous use of that fear-mongering, nebulous term 'BRA', you've donned your Glenn Beck costume early! And you've already began to go trick-or-treating for black people's tears!
'Yuhaay!'
But really... I must admit I don't fully read most of your posts but I do scan them fastidiously. This one I read because the title caught my eye.
Women in general still suffer from income inequality as well. That includes white wimmens, those beautiful, perfect, angelic creatures who act as symbols of Whitey's might, power, and far reach! Now, they make 70 cents on the dollar.
Undoubtedly, you wouldn't suggest that they don't deserve equality in pay, no? Because there is nothing that justifies such a disparity.
The same goes for black people. Nothing AT ALL justifies that disparity in pay.
So... in both cases we have to think what truly is the reason to pay a woman less and a black less. The only answer, in both cases, is discrimination based on antiquated notions of both groups being physically or cognitively less-than, respectively.
It is nothing else but Whitey being an asshole. Equal pay for equal work. Anything short of that is a problem. You try to insinuate that it is our behavior or whatever but that's just BS.
It's racism (or sexism), come on now... Why does a white man deserve to be paid more than any other group? He doesn't. Inequality is NEVER the fault of the victims.
Desiree, I actually hired a black woman because race and sex is irrelevant to my hiring practices. All I care about is how good of a job you do. She was a straight A Math major from an Ivy League school, so maybe some of the AA got her some scholarship money but either you can crunch numbers or you can't. I really wish that I could clone her b/c that is the only way I think that we'll get the median income up for black women. She's dating a white guy and actually the bread winner in that relationship so more power to her.
I think that what needs to happen is to go in and just find the top 5% of black academics, ditch the no child left behind policy, and just systematically recruit them into magnet school programs or something to keep the riff raff from pulling them down.
Desiree's comments are so inaccurate that it borders on parody.
Women make up the vast majority of HR-related positions in this country, and they also account for more than 55% of current college and graduate students. Furthermore, the recession has affected men at rates disproportionately higher than women. If men were deliberately paying women less money for the same job performed , HR departments would be correcting the situation before it got to the point of a civil or class-action lawsuit, Wal-Mart's problems notwithstanding. And with the amount of men being laid off or terminated, you may see some pay gaps start to shrink (if they exist at all).
I have to supervise men and women; I won't say where, but it's a Fortune 500 company, if not a Fortune 100 company. Because the workers I supervise are all unionized, their pay is structured the same, whether one employee excels or one employee is awful. They all get treated the same. Point of fact: women are supposed to be able to do the same jobs that the men are doing, but most of them can't; yet they get paid the same anyway.
Two decades ago we used to have to send prospective candidates to get a physical and prove they could do the work; now we don't because we're trying to save money and are attempting to avoid lawsuits because too many women were being rejected as candidates because they couldn't perform the basic functions of the job. But they get paid exactly the same as men because that is in their CBA.
Because of the influx of unqualified women, it's actually driven the wages down for some of the long-time qualified workers (both men and women), because their skill sets and abilities are no longer valued or paid at premium price. Since we *have* to accept unqualified women (and men) to do much of this physical work, starting pay for entry level positions is the same as it was back in 1986 (and not adjusted for inflation).
As for pay disparity among black women versus women of other races and men, well...70% of all black babies are born into single-mother households. What does that mean? It means that more than likely the father is, or will be, in jail, prison, or on probation, and his job prospects are rapidly dwindling. Unable to support a girlfriend and a baby, the father drops out of society as a productive member. The single mother then has to give up her schooling or job/career in order to take care of the baby (along with the help of innocent taxpayers forced to subsidize all these illegitimate children). By the time the woman is able to re-enter the workforce, she's more than likely going to be behind by several years people of her own age and job experience, and will probably never catch up to her contemporaries. And that's assuming she's even going to be able to re-enter the workforce. Once some of these women have one baby and get on welfare, WIC, and Section 8 housing, they starting downloading an entire litter of children that I have to pay for.
One child born out of wedlock is too much, regardless of race. But no culture can continue with a 70% and growing illegitimate birth rate and expect to thrive and survive. Within 20 years or less the rate will be 90% or higher and there will be a crater where the black community once stood.
"The same goes for black people. Nothing AT ALL justifies that disparity in pay."
You are a fucking idiot. Black people are more likely to be uneducated, more likely to drop out of high school, and more likely to commit crime, of course there's a disparity in pay.
If you go to a job interview and don't even have so much as a GED, don't be hellbent on getting a job. The world needs ditch diggers too. Those same ditch diggers still need to know basic measurements and have some deductive reasoning capapbilities.
Example: I need you to dig a ditch four feet deep, two foot wide, and six feet long. I also need you to stop digging if you hit a water pipe.
You still want to hire the better, more qualified ditch digger. Some folks get the whole concept. Sadly, others never will.
One thing I did find interesting in the Business First study was that in *almost* every city the Asian population was doing better, by far, than the Black or Hispanic population. In four cities the Asian population actually out-earned the white population on Per-Capita-Income.
Time and time again we're told that it's just a "stereotype" that Asians are smarter or more hardworking and industrious, yet how can the Asian population, which is significantly smaller than either the Black or the Hispanic populations, and who have been in this country far less time that the other two minority classes, manage to outrank the more established minority groups?
Part of it is culture. Heck, almost all of it is culture. The Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese....they value and prize education and community and family and honor and reputation (sometimes to an extreme; Japan is probably the suicide capital of the world) above all else. I honestly cannot recall seeing one Asian woman walking around my neighborhood with a baby on her hip, one in the stroller, one walking along the stroller, and another one in the womb? I've never seen any Asians at the county services office. I can't recall seeing one Chinese or Japanese teenager with his pants below his ass, with his underwear exposed, driving a purple beat-up car on 50' inch rims while blasting a bunch of nonsensical music about beating up bitches and ho's.
Often times the parents come over to the United States to learn or set up a company and the grandparents stay behind in Japan or China and take care of the kids. Often the kids don't come to live with the parents until they get much older. I don't necessarily agree with that, but at least the child is being looked after by grandparents. There is shame in not being educated in these countries, whereas it is just the opposite in so many of the black communities here in America. It's disgraceful that in a country with so much to offer that we have even one person of any color or ethnicity dropping out of school, much less 27-35% of teenage black males.
Unfortunately, there's nothing that is going to change this slide into oblivion. People like Desiree and LeBron James are professional victims: always quick to black racism for any amount of unfairness or criticism in their lives. They assume that white people can be broken down into 2 camps: #1 Evil white people who have nothing else to do all day but conspire with one another to create new ways to keep black people down or #2 Inherently racist white people who are so clueless about their own racist tendencies that, no matter how good-hearted or nice those crackers may be, they can't begin to realize how patronizing and demeaning they are towards black people. Being born into "white privilege", they are never able to understand exactly how their lives have negatively impacted the lives of black people by simply just the act of being alive. Our mere existence only serves to further keep black people down, whether we see it or not.
Therefore, since we cannot help but be cluelessly racist or just flat out evil, people like Desiree receive the "Get Out of Personal Responsibility Card". This card is a de-facto exemption from any personal responsibility for her own life choices and actions, and it is guaranteed in perpetuity to absolve her of having to make any effort to be held to the same high standards of people (aka whites) in the workplace and in the community. Make sure you never leave home without it, boo! Because, like Visa, white people are everywhere you want to be.
Boston MA.31 sep 2010.5 shot' 4 dead including a 3 year old in his mothers arms.5th vic expected to die at mass general hospital. These are men? (The shooters)? NO. savages. Black savages.
Quick!!!!! somebody in the black race grab hold of Lebron James and the cadre of fools in his inner circle and shake some sense into them. Your all about to have your race card's revoked due to it being used in an attempt to clean up the debacle known as The Decision.
As the James brand continues to suffer after the now infamous one hour epic disaster on ESPN, we're reminded at this later date, that race was one of the reasons why. I love it. Every time the race card is used in an instance like this, more and more of it's luster wears off. Eventually there is no luster left. It becomes a husk of what it once was. People that aren't supposed to question the race card suddenly put it under a microscope for a closer look and then BAM!!!!! Things seem a bit more askew than before and they dig deeper and some might even find SBPDL and......well we all know what happens then. They become the evil white people. Getting paid big money is no doubt great. Getitng paid less due to goofy business decisions and blaming it on something else entirely.....not so great.
If you go to a job interview and don't even have so much as a GED, don't be hellbent on getting a job. The world needs ditch diggers too. Those same ditch diggers still need to know basic measurements and have some deductive reasoning capapbilities.
Example: I need you to dig a ditch four feet deep, two foot wide, and six feet long. I also need you to stop digging if you hit a water pipe.
You still want to hire the better, more qualified ditch digger. Some folks get the whole concept. Sadly, others never will.
Once upon a time,I was working as a fitter in a fabrication shop. The boss believed in paying as little as possible for help,and he got exactly that for which he paid. Our shop laborers made something like 5 and a half bucks an hour,which was low,even by the standards of 15 years back. We had a few black laborers,to go along with the rest who were two paychecks from Monterrey.
And the heck of it was that the black ones weren't even worth that much money. Seriously. The Monterrenians had to be watched very carefully while working,but work they would. The black guys? They'd freak out if you told them to sweep the shop or pick up trash (which,as laborers,was exactly the sort of work they had been hired to do),and if they were given any sort of task that was a notch above laborer level,such as grinding,deburring,etc.,they would invariably contrive a way to fuck it up.
Why were they there? Simple-the whole place was an MBE,the big "M" being the wife of the guy that actually ran the place,and since most of our products wound up in federally funded projects,we had a quota to fill. Fortunately,we never needed to terminate one of these folk-they'd generally last two weeks,and quit because the work was too hard and the boss would go find another two or three to hire for another couple of weeks.
And before Des-or some similarity-asks,why was I there? Simple answer too. I was between "real" jobs,and while this one wasn't a prize,it was 4 shifts a week,at night so I didn't have to put up with the Dragon Lady "owner" or her old man,and it kept me from tapping the savings account to buy groceries while waiting for a real job.
"Why were they there? Simple....we had a quota to fill."
One of my first jobs was warehouse work in or around Atlanta. Because I had lived under the umbrella of "white privilege" all my life (so, why was I working a blue-collar job in downtown Atlanta?), I was unfamiliar with the sort of inner-office race politics that went on at some of these companies located in "empowerment zones". The boss was Jewish, which was something I didn't really fully understand at the time (being a teenager and living with "white privilege" and all), most of the management and supervisory help was white, and most of the labor was black (but not all; like, me, for example).
One of the supervisors, or it may have been the boss himself, told me that the only reason they were hiring and retaining any of the black workers was because of the tax breaks the city gave them for making an 'affirmative action hire'.
I bring that up because there could be a case made that government-mandated affirmative action has harmed a vastly disproportionate amount of people than it has helped. There's probably no objective way to know for sure how many were hurt or helped, but I know that it didn't help a single person working at that facility that I briefly worked in because they were subconsciously, and perhaps consciously, treated differently by the management (and some of it was probably warranted as well; I know one guy, after I had left, came in with a gun and was upset about something and the APD had to be called in to arrest him). There were some good, black workers there that got screwed, and I'm not even going to defend that boss, but having said all that, I don't see the upside into hiring people for tax breaks, then treating them badly and letting them know you've only hired them because they come cheap from the City of Atlanta. That doesn't inspire confidence in them and their work gets progressively worse.
As a nation we continue to get away from merit-based pay and accomplishment-based pay and rewards systems in all aspects of life. We have school systems refusing to give out grades so that those who would have received an "F" don't feel bad about it. We hire people unqualified for jobs because of quotas to fill and we're too afraid to reject applicants for jobs for fear of retaliatory lawsuits. We've got men suing to become Hooter's waitresses and we've got 90 pound females applying for jobs moving 100lb packages at Caterpillar or doing road or construction work for city/state/national governments. There are no value judgement or standards anymore. Common sense has been abandoned for a healthy dose of politically correct, liberal brainwashing.
You are a fucking idiot. Black people are more likely to be uneducated, more likely to drop out of high school, and more likely to commit crime, of course there's a disparity in pay.
And this should extend to all blacks, even those who are college-educated, looking for white-collar jobs, because...?
Yeah, hit me back when you have the answer. There exists no good justifications for blanket wage disparities based on race or sex. Period.
I believe you can continue to wear that dunce cap, pal. It looks good on you anyway.
@ Anonymous:
She's dating a white guy and actually the bread winner in that relationship so more power to her.
What does that have to do with the issue at hand? Don't make me vomit! You act like, because of her ability, she somehow deserves the right to a white man. What's funny is that every time a PoC finds themselves in the upper echelon of society they start dating white people. I will never understand that! Date another successful PoC. Is it that hard?
I think that what needs to happen is to go in and just find the top 5% of black academics, ditch the no child left behind policy, and just systematically recruit them into magnet school programs or something to keep the riff raff from pulling them down.
Wow, you sound like you're discussing prize horses! That above quote is so disgusting; my stomach is literally nauseous. In my high school, they had a similar policy: only handout information about scholarships, colleges, etc. to the top 20% of students (yes, I was in this group). They said, 'Fuck the others; we want to judge our school's success on these kids who will do well no matter their environment!'
And, you know what, my high school looks like shit on paper because no cared about the 80%. The goal for any educator is to get to the percentage of kids that are not completely lost (that's, what, 10%, maybe 5?), but need the right motivation to succeed. When you give up on people, they say, 'Fuck it' and turn apathetic.
Although I'm more of a pessimist/cynic than anything else, I still believe in people and I believe that if you believe in them, they will believe in themselves. Hokey, but true...
'Riff raff'? Well, with that contemptuous attitude, you better not complain when someone 'fails', especially when you don't want to even lend a helping hand or encouragement.
Jeez, people are so selfish and individualistic. It's fucked up. Help each other. Everywhere outside the West (except Japan), people groups are collective and communal. Whitey and his capitalism and gimme gimme gimme existence... yuck!
It's funny because I thought this would be a fairly simple issue: pay inequality is not a good thing and needs to not occur. Period.
I cannot figure out why one woman's work performance can affect another woman's. The same with black, Latino, etc. It doesn't make sense. Of course, logically, you wouldn't pay someone 100% if their output is less than that. That makes sense.
But it shouldn't impact others. I don't see the justification of that! It isn't right that I go into a job and, because I'm a black female, receive the low pay of whatever each of those groups represent to the Employers of America. That's stereotyping.
You can say all of this blah blah blah about black people having children and this and that but, at the end of the day, when an employer sees a white man, he's not going to assume he has all of these qualities that make him less-than and, as a result, make his pay less.
That's the point! Everyone but white men have to face that. No one assumes anything about him. That's the problem. There is no justification for pay disparity. Period.
It's disgraceful that in a country with so much to offer that we have even one person of any color or ethnicity dropping out of school, much less 27-35% of teenage black males.
Okay, Percy, I know, in your obvious psychosis, you cannot fathom why any of the above would occur. You cannot 'see it'. I had a Latino male friend in high school and, ever since we were in 6th grade, he, like myself, was in the 'accelerated', AP and honors classes. Yet, by the middle of senior year, he dropped out of school. I couldn't understand why because he was a smart kid; he was capable. But, come to find out, it was something familial that made him incapable of waiting a few more quarters to graduate (well, he was burned out junior year).
I ask myself all the time how people can dropout but I have to abandon the middle-class filter and see reality: kids dropout all the time because contributing to household income is more important than school.
How you can even blame the kids is fucking sick! You see the quantifications and you naysay in typical white elite fashion. You don't know 'why'; you just see, in your haughty bourgeois racism, that people are failing. No questions asked, just judgements made.
This isn't about being a victim; it's about pushing aside all of that racist, political garbage and helping real people. You say it's disgraceful that people fail in our System and you blame those who fail. Sorry, pal, but last time I checked the System wasn't perfect and there's still inequality.
Until there is equality, failing is not completely the fault of the person failing. Period. It's easy to judge while you're in the comfort of a lily white suburb; take off your fucking blinders, man!
This is how I see it: if given the opportunity to thrive (no holds barred) and said individual fails, that's their own fault. Seeing that equality (of opportunity) has not been reached, I cannot, in good faith, completely blame the person who's 'failed'.
Explain to me why, if America is so great, we have black males and a larger percentage of Latino males dropping out? I'd love to know, Kittens. Clearly, there is something far greater than themselves that's causing that.
people like Desiree receive the "Get Out of Personal Responsibility Card". This card is a de-facto exemption from any personal responsibility for her own life choices and actions, and it is guaranteed in perpetuity to absolve her of having to make any effort to be held to the same high standards of people (aka whites) in the workplace and in the community. Make sure you never leave home without it, boo! Because, like Visa, white people are everywhere you want to be.
Sure, dummy.
It amazes me that, because I hold Neo-Marxist beliefs of equality and dismantling the bullshit we live in, I'm trying to absolve myself of personal responsibility!
Wow! And you don't even know me!
Again, there is clearly some sort of deficiency going on in that noggin of yours, Percy, if you think that you can play Billy Big Balls and tell me who I am.
But, at the risk of sounding like YOU, many whites seem to do that. Which is the point of this whole issue of pay disparity: it's the judgment of someone based on the stereotypical notions of his group and then ascertaining his ability based on that and that alone.
Like I told you before and, please, follow closely: I'm one of those successful negroes! I am a college student and I have big dreams, too, like other middle class people!
I've never seen any Asians at the county services office. I can't recall seeing one Chinese or Japanese teenager with his pants below his ass, with his underwear exposed, driving a purple beat-up car on 50' inch rims while blasting a bunch of nonsensical music about beating up bitches and ho's.
I have!!! All races receive services and, unless you work at a welfare office or know someone who does, you can't say anything. If you say you work at a Fortune 100/500 company, your milieu doesn't contain people who live such a way. Duh! God, you are such a haughty egotistical bastard; judgmental as hell and unapologetic about it! I'm glad I don't work under you; one slip up and you'd think I was simian, right? I'm scared of you...
Funny thing is that you bash my beliefs and politics and yet, as per your comments, you represent the type of person we don't want running shit in the workforce. Stop proving my point, guy!
BTW, just because you don't like rap music doesn't mean it lacks value. I'm a feminist so hearing about 'bitches' is not my cup of tea but I support black art forms, especially rap. It is another example of how black people, since the beginning of time, have used language, words, and the human voice as artistic outlet and emotional release (which is why blacks are better and more engaging speakers and singers than whites and others). Your opinion matters not, hate to break it to you, a-hole. No one cares if you dislike rap; it's not going to stop it's production and value to black people.
Why bother with this anyway? Of course you are going to be an apologist for the System; you ARE the System!
You are a recalcitrant stone and I feel sorry for you. If possible, treat your cataracts and cure your myopia; one less person looking down on others is always appreciated.
Desiree wrote: "Whitey and his capitalism and gimme gimme gimme existence... yuck!"
When do you plan on leaving the country? And where do you plan on emigrating? Sierra Leone? South Africa? Saudi Arabia? Clearly since you hate this country so much and capitalism has been so bad for you I just know that you are planning to leave. How has that Neo-Marxism worked for Central Africa? Maybe you'd be better off in the higher standard of living countries such as Angola or Uganda. I know I'm so sick and tired of all this access to quality health care, education, high-speed internet, disease control, safe food to eat, clean water to drink, and personal liberties to enjoy. The USA can take their filthy freedoms away from me! I want to go live in Utopia, where you apparently are moving to. You go girl!
Desiree vomitted:
"All races receive services and, unless you work at a welfare office or know someone who does, you can't say anything. If you say you work at a Fortune 100/500 company, your milieu doesn't contain people who live such a way. God, you are such a haughty egotistical bastard;"
This "egotistical bastard" may work in a Fortune 100/500 company, but that doesn't mean I am immune to the struggles other people go through. What you don't know about me is that I have volunteered for years and helped plenty of people get back on their feet by helping them understand English, find emergency services, work with doctors to help give quality care at affordable, reduced, or zero-charge prices...helped people find a modest home to get started in...helped people work their butts off to get an education (some of these people are making more money than I am now)...been a Big Brother to plenty of "Children of Color"...My family has helped more black people get to the hospital, get gas in their cars, food on their table, and jobs to provide for their families *THAN THEIR "OWN KIND"* (as Shirley Sherrod so eloquently put it earlier this year), and all without the help of the federal government. So don't twitch your neck and point your cyber finger at me, honey! I've been there, done that, while you were sitting in class learning some African-American psycho-babble studies from some Neo-Marxist professor (probably Barack Obama).
You're a racist Desiree. 100%, dyed-in-the-wood, unadulterated, Grade-A racist!
"Yeah, hit me back when you have the answer. There exists no good justifications for blanket wage disparities based on race or sex. Period."
You dumb fucking whore.
Asians earn more per capita than whites. Gays earn more per capita than non-gays. These disparities are NOT based on race or sex, they are based on the fact that Asians and gays generally tend to be more qualified and more educated.
Similarly, blacks generally tend to be less qualified and less educated, therefore they earn less.
Personally, I would never hire anyone black, because I don't want to risk hiring a fucking racist idiot like you, who would constantly make false accusations of racism, and then complain about being underpaid.
"The Southern states of the United States house 54 percent of the entire Black population. Curiously, these states also see 50 percent of the people living below the poverty line. Many of the metro areas listed in this study are found in the South. "
Remember the painful truth that whites living in poverty out number all racial and ethnic minorities 2to1. That 54% you stated represent a little more than half of the total population, which is about 15%. That means there is a shit load of dirt poor whites in the southern states.
Also the fact that poor whites embraced a system of slavery that would enrich a few southerners and many Northerners(yes, even the "good guys" were involved)and there by condemning generations of white families to insane poverty. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. No, wait it is funny as hell.
The truth is that most people living in poverty are elderly or those who work more than 40 hours a week. That disproves that "welfare queen" theory.
The idea of exploiting southern white animus towards immigrants, Jews, and of course blacks was nothing short of genius. Wealthy business leaders, many of whom were from outside of the south were able to convince the masses to go against labor unions. That allowed wages to be suppressed for decades. It not unusual to find an Electrician in Georgia being paid a few dollars over minimum wage.
So, as far as the south is concerned "don't cut off your nose to spite your face". Looking at recent history, it appears you guys already did just that.
"Whitey and his capitalism and gimme gimme gimme existence... yuck!"
Deziarrhea, negroes come to the United States from every location on Earth. Apparently you believe that blacks are incredibly stupid to come live among Whitey in a capitalist existence. Perhaps if you were to inform them of how terrible it is here, they would stop coming.
"Also the fact that poor whites embraced a system of slavery"
Poor whites, like everybody, embraced the common perception that blacks were not capable of living freely among whites in a civilized society, and that if emancipated, blacks would inflict an enormous economical and cultural burden upon white existence.
You have such piss-poor retorts it's tiring. Oy vey. I pity you. So I'll respond as short and sweet as feasibly possible...
How has that Neo-Marxism worked for Central Africa? Maybe you'd be better off in the higher standard of living countries such as Angola or Uganda. I know I'm so sick and tired of all this access to quality health care, education, high-speed internet, disease control, safe food to eat, clean water to drink, and personal liberties to enjoy. The USA can take their filthy freedoms away from me! I want to go live in Utopia, where you apparently are moving to. You go girl!
There has been no country that has properly instituted the principles of Neo-Marxism. my theory for this is that people, as we now know them, are too greedy and competitive to ever be altruistic and communal. The key is to re-socialize the masses into ideas of community and sharing, something completely foreign to a populous in which a large segment of college students want to be business majors. These 'utopian' societies do exist; it's not impossible. There are tribes in the South Pacific that live in complete non-violent harmony.
The viewpoint of the Neo-Marxist is that once those alleged 'freedoms' that you mentioned above as 'available' in America are distributed to everyone (because they aren't), entrepreneurial/competitive ventures can occur as normal. I don't like capitalism as it stands. Period. But I do recognize it's successes; it just needs to change because it hurts millions of people.
I've been there, done that, while you were sitting in class learning some African-American psycho-babble studies from some Neo-Marxist professor (probably Barack Obama).
You're a racist Desiree. 100%, dyed-in-the-wood, unadulterated, Grade-A racist!
Sure. 'Probably Barack Obama' sounds like kindergarten name-calling. Again, as I said before, I feel sorry for you, Kittens. I felt sorry for your ignorant under the 'movies' thread and I feel sorry for you now. To correct you, the class was Sociology 101 (I'm a science major so liberal arts courses are a deviation) and my professor was a white leftist feminist, God bless her.
As for me being a racist, that seems a little hypocritical coming from you, Percy, seeing that, in your mind, SBPDL.com is something akin to a comfy armchair. I'm not racist at all; I was raised around white people, I've had white friends, white crushes, had deep, stimulating, and enjoyable conversations with my white professors, adoring many of them, my last love interest was a white man...so...yeah... I think I've made my point clear. I'm proud to be black but I sure as hell ain't no racist. Remove the plank, buddy.
Huh. So THAT'S what a narcissistic personality disorder looks like when it's coupled with a massive inferiority complex! Who knew?
Bitter much? LOL.
I was merely being sarcastic, although there is truth to that; sorry it didn't translate over the Net. Bitter over what? White wimmens? LMBAO. Here's the thing: when I look at a white woman, I see nothing enviable. Maybe to others she is but not to me. When I go to compare myself to another woman, she is black.
I'm glad you're playing virtual psychiatrist and have diagnosed me with an Axis II condition. Thanks, what do I owe you? According to SBPDL, being a black woman, I'm only worth $5, give or take a food stamp. Hopefully that's enough.
Anonymous 11:30AM:
I think you didn't follow me (not a surprise). I know the stats about Asians and gays (as if that's even a real socioeconomic category, but I digress) but my point is that paying someone less based on their hue or sex is wrong. period.
With your lax reading comprehension skills, I'm sure I wouldn't want to be hired by you anyway. You call me a racist, which I'm not, yet you are the one who drew a line in the sand about never wanting to hire BLACKS.
Dats rayciss!!!
'...but by the content of his character...'
It's a rejection of the negro lifestyle and negro culture
You know, it's funny that you say that because I would think such an utterance is racist but I always fail to remember that white men love black women. As long as a black enters into your milieu, that sort of re-socialization helps to assuage Whitey's hypocrisy.
Oops, silly me!
Desiree is a stripper's name.
I believe 'Desiree' existed before stripping, so, technically, it would be that strippers are named Desiree, if that's even true. Then it would more likely be 'Deziree' or 'Dezzirae' or something...
Actually, "Desiree" is a just the ebonics version of "Disarray."
You are racist, Disarray. You make blanket statements about white people and use the racial slur "Whitey." Would you like to be referred to as "Darkie?"
"I felt sorry for your ignorant under the 'movies' thread and I feel sorry for you now."
"You have such piss-poor retorts it's tiring. Oy vey. I pity you. So I'll respond as short and sweet as feasibly possible..."
You have such stupid fuckin' retorts it's painful.Oy vey.I feel sorry for you.So I'll respond as short and sweet as feasibly possible...
Let it go bitch.
"There has been no country that has properly instituted the principles of Neo-Marxism. my theory for this is that people, as we now know them, are too greedy and competitive to ever be altruistic and communal. The key is to re-socialize the masses into ideas of community and sharing, something completely foreign to a populous in which a large segment of college students want to be business majors. These 'utopian' societies do exist; it's not impossible. There are tribes in the South Pacific that live in complete non-violent harmony."
Your theory is based on zero fact
"As for me being a racist, that seems a little hypocritical coming from you, Percy, seeing that, in your mind, SBPDL.com is something akin to a comfy armchair. I'm not racist at all; I was raised around white people, I've had white friends, white crushes, had deep, stimulating, and enjoyable conversations with my white professors, adoring many of them, my last love interest was a white man...so...yeah... I think I've made my point clear. I'm proud to be black but I sure as hell ain't no racist. Remove the plank, buddy."
As for you bein' a racist, that seems true judging by what you post.Seein' in your mind White Watch is something akin to a comfy armchair.Everyone's a little racist.IF your gonna scream racism.You have to scream it every time it happens.And IF your not than don't scream it at all.Remove the plank, bitch.
"Poor whites, like everybody, embraced the common perception that blacks were not capable of living freely among whites in a civilized society, and that if emancipated, blacks would inflict an enormous economical and cultural burden upon white existence."
"They were, of course, correct."
It's nice to know that over 150 years later their white brethren are still brainwashed drones. It was all about political and economic control. It was never about you, and it never will be.
"my point is that paying someone less based on their hue or sex is wrong. period."
You dumb fucking whore.
There has been no suggestion that it is ok to pay someone less based on their hue or sex. Period.
However, I did personally suggest that I would never hire a negro. Period. Because I don't want to risk hiring a fucking racist idiot like you, who would constantly make false accusations of racism, and then complain about being underpaid. Period.
"It's nice to know that over 150 years later their white brethren are still brainwashed drones."
The only brainwashing I ever received was in my youth when I was taught that blacks are no different than whites, and that to believe otherwise was evil and racist. Then I grew up and witnessed negro behavior for myself. So if you actually believe that my opinion of the inability to blacks to live freely among whites in a civilized society is a result of brainwashing, then I can only laugh at your deliberate embrace of ignorance.
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There are two broad views of what is occurring.
There is a third view, of course, but it is verboten to speak of it. But it is always there, lurking in the background like a phantom. It sneaks into the mind of a mugging victim, if only for a flashing second. It will never die.
It's finally October!!! In the words of Crank Yanker's Special Ed: 'Yuhaay!'
Judging on the last few posts and the gratuitous use of that fear-mongering, nebulous term 'BRA', you've donned your Glenn Beck costume early! And you've already began to go trick-or-treating for black people's tears!
'Yuhaay!'
But really... I must admit I don't fully read most of your posts but I do scan them fastidiously. This one I read because the title caught my eye.
Women in general still suffer from income inequality as well. That includes white wimmens, those beautiful, perfect, angelic creatures who act as symbols of Whitey's might, power, and far reach! Now, they make 70 cents on the dollar.
Undoubtedly, you wouldn't suggest that they don't deserve equality in pay, no? Because there is nothing that justifies such a disparity.
The same goes for black people. Nothing AT ALL justifies that disparity in pay.
So... in both cases we have to think what truly is the reason to pay a woman less and a black less. The only answer, in both cases, is discrimination based on antiquated notions of both groups being physically or cognitively less-than, respectively.
It is nothing else but Whitey being an asshole. Equal pay for equal work. Anything short of that is a problem. You try to insinuate that it is our behavior or whatever but that's just BS.
It's racism (or sexism), come on now... Why does a white man deserve to be paid more than any other group? He doesn't. Inequality is NEVER the fault of the victims.
Desiree, I actually hired a black woman because race and sex is irrelevant to my hiring practices. All I care about is how good of a job you do. She was a straight A Math major from an Ivy League school, so maybe some of the AA got her some scholarship money but either you can crunch numbers or you can't. I really wish that I could clone her b/c that is the only way I think that we'll get the median income up for black women. She's dating a white guy and actually the bread winner in that relationship so more power to her.
I think that what needs to happen is to go in and just find the top 5% of black academics, ditch the no child left behind policy, and just systematically recruit them into magnet school programs or something to keep the riff raff from pulling them down.
You get what you pay for. If you offer niggardly pay, you get a nigger.
Desiree's comments are so inaccurate that it borders on parody.
Women make up the vast majority of HR-related positions in this country, and they also account for more than 55% of current college and graduate students. Furthermore, the recession has affected men at rates disproportionately higher than women. If men were deliberately paying women less money for the same job performed , HR departments would be correcting the situation before it got to the point of a civil or class-action lawsuit, Wal-Mart's problems notwithstanding. And with the amount of men being laid off or terminated, you may see some pay gaps start to shrink (if they exist at all).
I have to supervise men and women; I won't say where, but it's a Fortune 500 company, if not a Fortune 100 company. Because the workers I supervise are all unionized, their pay is structured the same, whether one employee excels or one employee is awful. They all get treated the same. Point of fact: women are supposed to be able to do the same jobs that the men are doing, but most of them can't; yet they get paid the same anyway.
Two decades ago we used to have to send prospective candidates to get a physical and prove they could do the work; now we don't because we're trying to save money and are attempting to avoid lawsuits because too many women were being rejected as candidates because they couldn't perform the basic functions of the job. But they get paid exactly the same as men because that is in their CBA.
Because of the influx of unqualified women, it's actually driven the wages down for some of the long-time qualified workers (both men and women), because their skill sets and abilities are no longer valued or paid at premium price. Since we *have* to accept unqualified women (and men) to do much of this physical work, starting pay for entry level positions is the same as it was back in 1986 (and not adjusted for inflation).
As for pay disparity among black women versus women of other races and men, well...70% of all black babies are born into single-mother households. What does that mean? It means that more than likely the father is, or will be, in jail, prison, or on probation, and his job prospects are rapidly dwindling. Unable to support a girlfriend and a baby, the father drops out of society as a productive member. The single mother then has to give up her schooling or job/career in order to take care of the baby (along with the help of innocent taxpayers forced to subsidize all these illegitimate children). By the time the woman is able to re-enter the workforce, she's more than likely going to be behind by several years people of her own age and job experience, and will probably never catch up to her contemporaries. And that's assuming she's even going to be able to re-enter the workforce. Once some of these women have one baby and get on welfare, WIC, and Section 8 housing, they starting downloading an entire litter of children that I have to pay for.
One child born out of wedlock is too much, regardless of race. But no culture can continue with a 70% and growing illegitimate birth rate and expect to thrive and survive. Within 20 years or less the rate will be 90% or higher and there will be a crater where the black community once stood.
"The same goes for black people. Nothing AT ALL justifies that disparity in pay."
You are a fucking idiot. Black people are more likely to be uneducated, more likely to drop out of high school, and more likely to commit crime, of course there's a disparity in pay.
If you go to a job interview and don't even have so much as a GED, don't be hellbent on getting a job. The world needs ditch diggers too. Those same ditch diggers still need to know basic measurements and have some deductive reasoning capapbilities.
Example: I need you to dig a ditch four feet deep, two foot wide, and six feet long. I also need you to stop digging if you hit a water pipe.
You still want to hire the better, more qualified ditch digger. Some folks get the whole concept. Sadly, others never will.
One thing I did find interesting in the Business First study was that in *almost* every city the Asian population was doing better, by far, than the Black or Hispanic population. In four cities the Asian population actually out-earned the white population on Per-Capita-Income.
Time and time again we're told that it's just a "stereotype" that Asians are smarter or more hardworking and industrious, yet how can the Asian population, which is significantly smaller than either the Black or the Hispanic populations, and who have been in this country far less time that the other two minority classes, manage to outrank the more established minority groups?
Part of it is culture. Heck, almost all of it is culture. The Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese....they value and prize education and community and family and honor and reputation (sometimes to an extreme; Japan is probably the suicide capital of the world) above all else. I honestly cannot recall seeing one Asian woman walking around my neighborhood with a baby on her hip, one in the stroller, one walking along the stroller, and another one in the womb? I've never seen any Asians at the county services office. I can't recall seeing one Chinese or Japanese teenager with his pants below his ass, with his underwear exposed, driving a purple beat-up car on 50' inch rims while blasting a bunch of nonsensical music about beating up bitches and ho's.
Often times the parents come over to the United States to learn or set up a company and the grandparents stay behind in Japan or China and take care of the kids. Often the kids don't come to live with the parents until they get much older. I don't necessarily agree with that, but at least the child is being looked after by grandparents. There is shame in not being educated in these countries, whereas it is just the opposite in so many of the black communities here in America. It's disgraceful that in a country with so much to offer that we have even one person of any color or ethnicity dropping out of school, much less 27-35% of teenage black males.
Unfortunately, there's nothing that is going to change this slide into oblivion. People like Desiree and LeBron James are professional victims: always quick to black racism for any amount of unfairness or criticism in their lives. They assume that white people can be broken down into 2 camps: #1 Evil white people who have nothing else to do all day but conspire with one another to create new ways to keep black people down or #2 Inherently racist white people who are so clueless about their own racist tendencies that, no matter how good-hearted or nice those crackers may be, they can't begin to realize how patronizing and demeaning they are towards black people. Being born into "white privilege", they are never able to understand exactly how their lives have negatively impacted the lives of black people by simply just the act of being alive. Our mere existence only serves to further keep black people down, whether we see it or not.
Therefore, since we cannot help but be cluelessly racist or just flat out evil, people like Desiree receive the "Get Out of Personal Responsibility Card". This card is a de-facto exemption from any personal responsibility for her own life choices and actions, and it is guaranteed in perpetuity to absolve her of having to make any effort to be held to the same high standards of people (aka whites) in the workplace and in the community. Make sure you never leave home without it, boo! Because, like Visa, white people are everywhere you want to be.
Boston MA.31 sep 2010.5 shot' 4 dead including a 3 year old in his mothers arms.5th vic expected to die at mass general hospital. These are men? (The shooters)? NO. savages. Black savages.
Quick!!!!! somebody in the black race grab hold of Lebron James and the cadre of fools in his inner circle and shake some sense into them. Your all about to have your race card's revoked due to it being used in an attempt to clean up the debacle known as The Decision.
As the James brand continues to suffer after the now infamous one hour epic disaster on ESPN, we're reminded at this later date, that race was one of the reasons why. I love it. Every time the race card is used in an instance like this, more and more of it's luster wears off. Eventually there is no luster left. It becomes a husk of what it once was. People that aren't supposed to question the race card suddenly put it under a microscope for a closer look and then BAM!!!!! Things seem a bit more askew than before and they dig deeper and some might even find SBPDL and......well we all know what happens then. They become the evil white people. Getting paid big money is no doubt great. Getitng paid less due to goofy business decisions and blaming it on something else entirely.....not so great.
Apologies for being a bit off topic.
If you go to a job interview and don't even have so much as a GED, don't be hellbent on getting a job. The world needs ditch diggers too. Those same ditch diggers still need to know basic measurements and have some deductive reasoning capapbilities.
Example: I need you to dig a ditch four feet deep, two foot wide, and six feet long. I also need you to stop digging if you hit a water pipe.
You still want to hire the better, more qualified ditch digger. Some folks get the whole concept. Sadly, others never will.
Once upon a time,I was working as a fitter in a fabrication shop. The boss believed in paying as little as possible for help,and he got exactly that for which he paid. Our shop laborers made something like 5 and a half bucks an hour,which was low,even by the standards of 15 years back. We had a few black laborers,to go along with the rest who were two paychecks from Monterrey.
And the heck of it was that the black ones weren't even worth that much money. Seriously. The Monterrenians had to be watched very carefully while working,but work they would. The black guys? They'd freak out if you told them to sweep the shop or pick up trash (which,as laborers,was exactly the sort of work they had been hired to do),and if they were given any sort of task that was a notch above laborer level,such as grinding,deburring,etc.,they would invariably contrive a way to fuck it up.
Why were they there? Simple-the whole place was an MBE,the big "M" being the wife of the guy that actually ran the place,and since most of our products wound up in federally funded projects,we had a quota to fill. Fortunately,we never needed to terminate one of these folk-they'd generally last two weeks,and quit because the work was too hard and the boss would go find another two or three to hire for another couple of weeks.
And before Des-or some similarity-asks,why was I there? Simple answer too. I was between "real" jobs,and while this one wasn't a prize,it was 4 shifts a week,at night so I didn't have to put up with the Dragon Lady "owner" or her old man,and it kept me from tapping the savings account to buy groceries while waiting for a real job.
"Why were they there? Simple....we had a quota to fill."
One of my first jobs was warehouse work in or around Atlanta. Because I had lived under the umbrella of "white privilege" all my life (so, why was I working a blue-collar job in downtown Atlanta?), I was unfamiliar with the sort of inner-office race politics that went on at some of these companies located in "empowerment zones". The boss was Jewish, which was something I didn't really fully understand at the time (being a teenager and living with "white privilege" and all), most of the management and supervisory help was white, and most of the labor was black (but not all; like, me, for example).
One of the supervisors, or it may have been the boss himself, told me that the only reason they were hiring and retaining any of the black workers was because of the tax breaks the city gave them for making an 'affirmative action hire'.
I bring that up because there could be a case made that government-mandated affirmative action has harmed a vastly disproportionate amount of people than it has helped. There's probably no objective way to know for sure how many were hurt or helped, but I know that it didn't help a single person working at that facility that I briefly worked in because they were subconsciously, and perhaps consciously, treated differently by the management (and some of it was probably warranted as well; I know one guy, after I had left, came in with a gun and was upset about something and the APD had to be called in to arrest him). There were some good, black workers there that got screwed, and I'm not even going to defend that boss, but having said all that, I don't see the upside into hiring people for tax breaks, then treating them badly and letting them know you've only hired them because they come cheap from the City of Atlanta. That doesn't inspire confidence in them and their work gets progressively worse.
As a nation we continue to get away from merit-based pay and accomplishment-based pay and rewards systems in all aspects of life. We have school systems refusing to give out grades so that those who would have received an "F" don't feel bad about it. We hire people unqualified for jobs because of quotas to fill and we're too afraid to reject applicants for jobs for fear of retaliatory lawsuits. We've got men suing to become Hooter's waitresses and we've got 90 pound females applying for jobs moving 100lb packages at Caterpillar or doing road or construction work for city/state/national governments. There are no value judgement or standards anymore. Common sense has been abandoned for a healthy dose of politically correct, liberal brainwashing.
You are a fucking idiot. Black people are more likely to be uneducated, more likely to drop out of high school, and more likely to commit crime, of course there's a disparity in pay.
And this should extend to all blacks, even those who are college-educated, looking for white-collar jobs, because...?
Yeah, hit me back when you have the answer. There exists no good justifications for blanket wage disparities based on race or sex. Period.
I believe you can continue to wear that dunce cap, pal. It looks good on you anyway.
@ Anonymous:
She's dating a white guy and actually the bread winner in that relationship so more power to her.
What does that have to do with the issue at hand? Don't make me vomit! You act like, because of her ability, she somehow deserves the right to a white man. What's funny is that every time a PoC finds themselves in the upper echelon of society they start dating white people. I will never understand that! Date another successful PoC. Is it that hard?
I think that what needs to happen is to go in and just find the top 5% of black academics, ditch the no child left behind policy, and just systematically recruit them into magnet school programs or something to keep the riff raff from pulling them down.
Wow, you sound like you're discussing prize horses! That above quote is so disgusting; my stomach is literally nauseous. In my high school, they had a similar policy: only handout information about scholarships, colleges, etc. to the top 20% of students (yes, I was in this group). They said, 'Fuck the others; we want to judge our school's success on these kids who will do well no matter their environment!'
And, you know what, my high school looks like shit on paper because no cared about the 80%. The goal for any educator is to get to the percentage of kids that are not completely lost (that's, what, 10%, maybe 5?), but need the right motivation to succeed. When you give up on people, they say, 'Fuck it' and turn apathetic.
Although I'm more of a pessimist/cynic than anything else, I still believe in people and I believe that if you believe in them, they will believe in themselves. Hokey, but true...
'Riff raff'? Well, with that contemptuous attitude, you better not complain when someone 'fails', especially when you don't want to even lend a helping hand or encouragement.
Jeez, people are so selfish and individualistic. It's fucked up. Help each other. Everywhere outside the West (except Japan), people groups are collective and communal. Whitey and his capitalism and gimme gimme gimme existence... yuck!
It's funny because I thought this would be a fairly simple issue: pay inequality is not a good thing and needs to not occur. Period.
I cannot figure out why one woman's work performance can affect another woman's. The same with black, Latino, etc. It doesn't make sense. Of course, logically, you wouldn't pay someone 100% if their output is less than that. That makes sense.
But it shouldn't impact others. I don't see the justification of that! It isn't right that I go into a job and, because I'm a black female, receive the low pay of whatever each of those groups represent to the Employers of America. That's stereotyping.
You can say all of this blah blah blah about black people having children and this and that but, at the end of the day, when an employer sees a white man, he's not going to assume he has all of these qualities that make him less-than and, as a result, make his pay less.
That's the point! Everyone but white men have to face that. No one assumes anything about him. That's the problem. There is no justification for pay disparity. Period.
It's disgraceful that in a country with so much to offer that we have even one person of any color or ethnicity dropping out of school, much less 27-35% of teenage black males.
Okay, Percy, I know, in your obvious psychosis, you cannot fathom why any of the above would occur. You cannot 'see it'. I had a Latino male friend in high school and, ever since we were in 6th grade, he, like myself, was in the 'accelerated', AP and honors classes. Yet, by the middle of senior year, he dropped out of school. I couldn't understand why because he was a smart kid; he was capable. But, come to find out, it was something familial that made him incapable of waiting a few more quarters to graduate (well, he was burned out junior year).
I ask myself all the time how people can dropout but I have to abandon the middle-class filter and see reality: kids dropout all the time because contributing to household income is more important than school.
How you can even blame the kids is fucking sick! You see the quantifications and you naysay in typical white elite fashion. You don't know 'why'; you just see, in your haughty bourgeois racism, that people are failing. No questions asked, just judgements made.
This isn't about being a victim; it's about pushing aside all of that racist, political garbage and helping real people. You say it's disgraceful that people fail in our System and you blame those who fail. Sorry, pal, but last time I checked the System wasn't perfect and there's still inequality.
Until there is equality, failing is not completely the fault of the person failing. Period. It's easy to judge while you're in the comfort of a lily white suburb; take off your fucking blinders, man!
This is how I see it: if given the opportunity to thrive (no holds barred) and said individual fails, that's their own fault. Seeing that equality (of opportunity) has not been reached, I cannot, in good faith, completely blame the person who's 'failed'.
Explain to me why, if America is so great, we have black males and a larger percentage of Latino males dropping out? I'd love to know, Kittens. Clearly, there is something far greater than themselves that's causing that.
people like Desiree receive the "Get Out of Personal Responsibility Card". This card is a de-facto exemption from any personal responsibility for her own life choices and actions, and it is guaranteed in perpetuity to absolve her of having to make any effort to be held to the same high standards of people (aka whites) in the workplace and in the community. Make sure you never leave home without it, boo! Because, like Visa, white people are everywhere you want to be.
Sure, dummy.
It amazes me that, because I hold Neo-Marxist beliefs of equality and dismantling the bullshit we live in, I'm trying to absolve myself of personal responsibility!
Wow! And you don't even know me!
Again, there is clearly some sort of deficiency going on in that noggin of yours, Percy, if you think that you can play Billy Big Balls and tell me who I am.
But, at the risk of sounding like YOU, many whites seem to do that. Which is the point of this whole issue of pay disparity: it's the judgment of someone based on the stereotypical notions of his group and then ascertaining his ability based on that and that alone.
Like I told you before and, please, follow closely: I'm one of those successful negroes! I am a college student and I have big dreams, too, like other middle class people!
I've never seen any Asians at the county services office. I can't recall seeing one Chinese or Japanese teenager with his pants below his ass, with his underwear exposed, driving a purple beat-up car on 50' inch rims while blasting a bunch of nonsensical music about beating up bitches and ho's.
I have!!! All races receive services and, unless you work at a welfare office or know someone who does, you can't say anything. If you say you work at a Fortune 100/500 company, your milieu doesn't contain people who live such a way. Duh! God, you are such a haughty egotistical bastard; judgmental as hell and unapologetic about it! I'm glad I don't work under you; one slip up and you'd think I was simian, right? I'm scared of you...
Funny thing is that you bash my beliefs and politics and yet, as per your comments, you represent the type of person we don't want running shit in the workforce. Stop proving my point, guy!
BTW, just because you don't like rap music doesn't mean it lacks value. I'm a feminist so hearing about 'bitches' is not my cup of tea but I support black art forms, especially rap. It is another example of how black people, since the beginning of time, have used language, words, and the human voice as artistic outlet and emotional release (which is why blacks are better and more engaging speakers and singers than whites and others). Your opinion matters not, hate to break it to you, a-hole. No one cares if you dislike rap; it's not going to stop it's production and value to black people.
Why bother with this anyway? Of course you are going to be an apologist for the System; you ARE the System!
You are a recalcitrant stone and I feel sorry for you. If possible, treat your cataracts and cure your myopia; one less person looking down on others is always appreciated.
Desiree wrote:
"Whitey and his capitalism and gimme gimme gimme existence... yuck!"
When do you plan on leaving the country? And where do you plan on emigrating? Sierra Leone? South Africa? Saudi Arabia? Clearly since you hate this country so much and capitalism has been so bad for you I just know that you are planning to leave. How has that Neo-Marxism worked for Central Africa? Maybe you'd be better off in the higher standard of living countries such as Angola or Uganda. I know I'm so sick and tired of all this access to quality health care, education, high-speed internet, disease control, safe food to eat, clean water to drink, and personal liberties to enjoy. The USA can take their filthy freedoms away from me! I want to go live in Utopia, where you apparently are moving to. You go girl!
Desiree vomitted:
"All races receive services and, unless you work at a welfare office or know someone who does, you can't say anything. If you say you work at a Fortune 100/500 company, your milieu doesn't contain people who live such a way. God, you are such a haughty egotistical bastard;"
This "egotistical bastard" may work in a Fortune 100/500 company, but that doesn't mean I am immune to the struggles other people go through. What you don't know about me is that I have volunteered for years and helped plenty of people get back on their feet by helping them understand English, find emergency services, work with doctors to help give quality care at affordable, reduced, or zero-charge prices...helped people find a modest home to get started in...helped people work their butts off to get an education (some of these people are making more money than I am now)...been a Big Brother to plenty of "Children of Color"...My family has helped more black people get to the hospital, get gas in their cars, food on their table, and jobs to provide for their families *THAN THEIR "OWN KIND"* (as Shirley Sherrod so eloquently put it earlier this year), and all without the help of the federal government. So don't twitch your neck and point your cyber finger at me, honey! I've been there, done that, while you were sitting in class learning some African-American psycho-babble studies from some Neo-Marxist professor (probably Barack Obama).
You're a racist Desiree. 100%, dyed-in-the-wood, unadulterated, Grade-A racist!
"Yeah, hit me back when you have the answer. There exists no good justifications for blanket wage disparities based on race or sex. Period."
You dumb fucking whore.
Asians earn more per capita than whites. Gays earn more per capita than non-gays.
These disparities are NOT based on race or sex, they are based on the fact that Asians and gays generally tend to be more qualified and more educated.
Similarly, blacks generally tend to be less qualified and less educated, therefore they earn less.
Personally, I would never hire anyone black, because I don't want to risk hiring a fucking racist idiot like you, who would constantly make false accusations of racism, and then complain about being underpaid.
"What's funny is that every time a PoC finds themselves in the upper echelon of society they start dating white people."
It's really not funny.
It's a rejection of the negro lifestyle and negro culture.
SBPDL,
"The Southern states of the United States house 54 percent of the entire Black population. Curiously, these states also see 50 percent of the people living below the poverty line. Many of the metro areas listed in this study are found in the South. "
Remember the painful truth that whites living in poverty out number all racial and ethnic minorities 2to1. That 54% you stated represent a little more than half of the total population, which is about 15%. That means there is a shit load of dirt poor whites in the southern states.
Also the fact that poor whites embraced a system of slavery that would enrich a few southerners and many Northerners(yes, even the "good guys" were involved)and there by condemning generations of white families to insane poverty. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. No, wait it is funny as hell.
The truth is that most people living in poverty are elderly or those who work more than 40 hours a week. That disproves that "welfare queen" theory.
The idea of exploiting southern white animus towards immigrants, Jews, and of course blacks was nothing short of genius. Wealthy business leaders, many of whom were from outside of the south were able to convince the masses to go against labor unions. That allowed wages to be suppressed for decades. It not unusual to find an Electrician in Georgia being paid a few dollars over minimum wage.
So, as far as the south is concerned "don't cut off your nose to spite your face". Looking at recent history, it appears you guys already did just that.
-Black guy
"That includes white wimmens, those beautiful, perfect, angelic creatures who act as symbols of Whitey's might, power, and far reach!"
Huh. So THAT'S what a narcissistic personality disorder looks like when it's coupled with a massive inferiority complex! Who knew?
Bitter much? LOL.
"Whitey and his capitalism and gimme gimme gimme existence... yuck!"
Deziarrhea, negroes come to the United States from every location on Earth.
Apparently you believe that blacks are incredibly stupid to come live among Whitey in a capitalist existence.
Perhaps if you were to inform them of how terrible it is here, they would stop coming.
Desiree is a stripper's name.
"Also the fact that poor whites embraced a system of slavery"
Poor whites, like everybody, embraced the common perception that blacks were not capable of living freely among whites in a civilized society, and that if emancipated, blacks would inflict an enormous economical and cultural burden upon white existence.
They were, of course, correct.
Percy:
You have such piss-poor retorts it's tiring. Oy vey. I pity you. So I'll respond as short and sweet as feasibly possible...
How has that Neo-Marxism worked for Central Africa? Maybe you'd be better off in the higher standard of living countries such as Angola or Uganda. I know I'm so sick and tired of all this access to quality health care, education, high-speed internet, disease control, safe food to eat, clean water to drink, and personal liberties to enjoy. The USA can take their filthy freedoms away from me! I want to go live in Utopia, where you apparently are moving to. You go girl!
There has been no country that has properly instituted the principles of Neo-Marxism. my theory for this is that people, as we now know them, are too greedy and competitive to ever be altruistic and communal. The key is to re-socialize the masses into ideas of community and sharing, something completely foreign to a populous in which a large segment of college students want to be business majors. These 'utopian' societies do exist; it's not impossible. There are tribes in the South Pacific that live in complete non-violent harmony.
The viewpoint of the Neo-Marxist is that once those alleged 'freedoms' that you mentioned above as 'available' in America are distributed to everyone (because they aren't), entrepreneurial/competitive ventures can occur as normal. I don't like capitalism as it stands. Period. But I do recognize it's successes; it just needs to change because it hurts millions of people.
I've been there, done that, while you were sitting in class learning some African-American psycho-babble studies from some Neo-Marxist professor (probably Barack Obama).
You're a racist Desiree. 100%, dyed-in-the-wood, unadulterated, Grade-A racist!
Sure. 'Probably Barack Obama' sounds like kindergarten name-calling. Again, as I said before, I feel sorry for you, Kittens. I felt sorry for your ignorant under the 'movies' thread and I feel sorry for you now. To correct you, the class was Sociology 101 (I'm a science major so liberal arts courses are a deviation) and my professor was a white leftist feminist, God bless her.
As for me being a racist, that seems a little hypocritical coming from you, Percy, seeing that, in your mind, SBPDL.com is something akin to a comfy armchair. I'm not racist at all; I was raised around white people, I've had white friends, white crushes, had deep, stimulating, and enjoyable conversations with my white professors, adoring many of them, my last love interest was a white man...so...yeah... I think I've made my point clear. I'm proud to be black but I sure as hell ain't no racist. Remove the plank, buddy.
Huh. So THAT'S what a narcissistic personality disorder looks like when it's coupled with a massive inferiority complex! Who knew?
Bitter much? LOL.
I was merely being sarcastic, although there is truth to that; sorry it didn't translate over the Net. Bitter over what? White wimmens? LMBAO. Here's the thing: when I look at a white woman, I see nothing enviable. Maybe to others she is but not to me. When I go to compare myself to another woman, she is black.
I'm glad you're playing virtual psychiatrist and have diagnosed me with an Axis II condition. Thanks, what do I owe you? According to SBPDL, being a black woman, I'm only worth $5, give or take a food stamp. Hopefully that's enough.
Anonymous 11:30AM:
I think you didn't follow me (not a surprise). I know the stats about Asians and gays (as if that's even a real socioeconomic category, but I digress) but my point is that paying someone less based on their hue or sex is wrong. period.
With your lax reading comprehension skills, I'm sure I wouldn't want to be hired by you anyway. You call me a racist, which I'm not, yet you are the one who drew a line in the sand about never wanting to hire BLACKS.
Dats rayciss!!!
'...but by the content of his character...'
It's a rejection of the negro lifestyle and negro culture
You know, it's funny that you say that because I would think such an utterance is racist but I always fail to remember that white men love black women. As long as a black enters into your milieu, that sort of re-socialization helps to assuage Whitey's hypocrisy.
Oops, silly me!
Desiree is a stripper's name.
I believe 'Desiree' existed before stripping, so, technically, it would be that strippers are named Desiree, if that's even true. Then it would more likely be 'Deziree' or 'Dezzirae' or something...
Actually, "Desiree" is a just the ebonics version of "Disarray."
You are racist, Disarray. You make blanket statements about white people and use the racial slur "Whitey." Would you like to be referred to as "Darkie?"
"I felt sorry for your ignorant under the 'movies' thread and I feel sorry for you now."
We feel sorry for your ignorant, too.
"You have such piss-poor retorts it's tiring. Oy vey. I pity you. So I'll respond as short and sweet as feasibly possible..."
You have such stupid fuckin' retorts it's painful.Oy vey.I feel sorry for you.So I'll respond as short and sweet as feasibly possible...
Let it go bitch.
"There has been no country that has properly instituted the principles of Neo-Marxism. my theory for this is that people, as we now know them, are too greedy and competitive to ever be altruistic and communal. The key is to re-socialize the masses into ideas of community and sharing, something completely foreign to a populous in which a large segment of college students want to be business majors. These 'utopian' societies do exist; it's not impossible. There are tribes in the South Pacific that live in complete non-violent harmony."
Your theory is based on zero fact
"As for me being a racist, that seems a little hypocritical coming from you, Percy, seeing that, in your mind, SBPDL.com is something akin to a comfy armchair. I'm not racist at all; I was raised around white people, I've had white friends, white crushes, had deep, stimulating, and enjoyable conversations with my white professors, adoring many of them, my last love interest was a white man...so...yeah... I think I've made my point clear. I'm proud to be black but I sure as hell ain't no racist. Remove the plank, buddy."
As for you bein' a racist, that seems true judging by what you post.Seein' in your mind White Watch is something akin to a comfy armchair.Everyone's a little racist.IF your gonna scream racism.You have to scream it every time it happens.And IF your not than don't scream it at all.Remove the plank, bitch.
"Poor whites, like everybody, embraced the common perception that blacks were not capable of living freely among whites in a civilized society, and that if emancipated, blacks would inflict an enormous economical and cultural burden upon white existence."
"They were, of course, correct."
It's nice to know that over 150 years later their white brethren are still brainwashed drones. It was all about political and economic control. It was never about you, and it never will be.
-Black guy
"my point is that paying someone less based on their hue or sex is wrong. period."
You dumb fucking whore.
There has been no suggestion that it is ok to pay someone less based on their hue or sex. Period.
However, I did personally suggest that I would never hire a negro. Period.
Because I don't want to risk hiring a fucking racist idiot like you, who would constantly make false accusations of racism, and then complain about being underpaid. Period.
"but I always fail to remember that white men love black women."
You dumb fucking whore.
99% of white males marry females that are not black.
"It's nice to know that over 150 years later their white brethren are still brainwashed drones."
The only brainwashing I ever received was in my youth when I was taught that blacks are no different than whites, and that to believe otherwise was evil and racist.
Then I grew up and witnessed negro behavior for myself.
So if you actually believe that my opinion of the inability to blacks to live freely among whites in a civilized society is a result of brainwashing, then I can only laugh at your deliberate embrace of ignorance.
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