In Atlanta this past weekend, four Black people beat a Black kid to death for no apparent reason:
Bobby Tillman went out of his way to avoid conflict, not an easy thing to do at Chapel Hill High School, according to the late teen's friends. Fights are fairly common, and the 125-pound Tillman knew when he was overmatched.
"Bobby knew how to keep his distance, just in case," said Chapel Hill senior Carli Giles, a good friend of Tillman's. "There were certain crowds that were into that, and he'd stay away from them."
But Tillman was oblivious to the circumstances that led to his death following an unprovoked attack at a rowdy house party Saturday night on Independence Drive in Douglasville, witnesses say. A fight broke out between two girls outside the home, one of whom struck a male partygoer, Douglas County Sheriff Phil Miller said. He refused to strike a female but vowed to inflict payback on the next male who walked by.
Giles said her friend didn't see the punch coming. She was not at the party but talked to two friends who went there along with Tillman.
One who watched the fight told her that Tillman struggled to keep his balance after being hit but was quickly pushed to the ground by his attacker. Three of the suspect's friends, each of whom was significantly bigger than Tillman, joined the scrum, repeatedly stomping on the slight teen.
"They said it was a ‘regular jump,' " Giles told the AJC. "They didn't think it was that bad. I don't get that at all."
Remember, in the film The Crazies, it took a military pathogen to destabilize a population and induce them to thuggery, murder and anarchy. It is becoming increasingly obvious Black people need no such virus for this to occur.Just look at the violence in Chicago if you have any doubts about this claim.
In Birmingham, two Black people were engaging in innocent flirting with the always sexy bedroom items, such as a hatchet, hammer and a loaded gun and only one came away with their life intact:
A Jefferson County grand jury will consider an intentional murder charge for a case in which a Fairfield man claims he accidentally shot his girlfriend during horseplay between the two.We at SBPDL love Thug Report, a Web site which simply aggregates crime from around the country. It is getting hard to read though, as it enhances and elevates a post we wrote as a joke regarding criminality, Black people and the movie The Crazies to the realm of truth.
Erika Michelle Hall, 23, had a single gunshot wound between her eyes when her body was found Sept. 25 in the bedroom of her home in the 1700 block of 49th Street in Ensley, testified John Tanks, a Birmingham police detective.
Herbert Nelson, 25, told police he and Hall were playing, when she wielded a hammer and then a hatchet at him. Nelson told police he also was playing when he responded by pulling a gun out of his bookbag, extracting its magazine, pointing it at her face and pulling the trigger, Tanks testified.
58 comments:
A decent post, but its not going to budge the discourse on this site by one inch. Black contributors will mention that white people are capable of beating and killing each other, and then a white contributor will cite statistics that black violence is proportionally several magnitudes worse. Noone will agree and that will be that.
People need to be more careful in the bedroom. I remember watching an unfolding trial on Court TV where a couple where involved in breath play/erotic ashpyxiation and the boyfriend ended up killing his girlfriend. Should he be held liable? At worst, I would say manslaughter.
A gun can be incorporated into the boudoir, but you should probably use a revolver in order to avoid accidents. Also, some kind of safeword should be in order. If your girlfriend is straddling you and she points the revolver, and it starts to get to be too much, you can shout "Blue Dolphin," and that should be enough to get her to break character from an evil dominatrix cop back into a sane woman.
Cry me a river
The general opinion is that Blacks are just born this way; in other words, some people are just born assholes. Black people absolutely have no remorse for the fucked up shit they done. They may pretend to care to avoid jail, but they really just don't give a shit about anyone or anything.
I know I said calling names makes you emotional. But fuck and shit are the most versatile words in the English language.
"People need to be more careful in the bedroom."
Hirsch, with all due respect, I'm fairly certain "carefulness" was not at issue here.
The single shot between the eyes sounds a bit calculated, as opposed to accidental "horseplay".
The likely scenario is...she found out he was banging another chick, probably in her bed, and went nuts...she attacked him with a hatchet, with bad intentions...he shot her point blank, then cooked up the flimsy "horseplay" story.
Desiree's boyfriend should consider adding firearms and live ammunition to his foreplay repertoire.
A decent post, but its not going to budge the discourse on this site by one inch.
Is the purpose of this website to advance discourse between blacks and whites? Or is it to wake whites up to the fact that they live among a permanent problem population?
You can discourse with the blacks all you like. Let me know how far you get.
SBPDL:
I had written a long comment directed to Hirsch in the M.A.N.T.I.S. thread and you did not post it for some inexplicable reason yet Anonymous at 8:39pm is allowed to suggest I should 'go' just like the female victim in your above post?
Not that I, as a black, should expect egalitarianism on this site but come on now...
@ Hirsch:
"Black contributors will mention that white people are capable of beating and killing each other, and then a white contributor will cite statistics that black violence is proportionally several magnitudes worse."
Absolutely.
The reason that pesky 'criminality' statistic will be disregarded here is because white people always try to act as if they don't do anything that his deviant or violent or socially unacceptable.
Which was why the now-defunct White Watch had held a purpose.
I will not agree with the hoped-for synthesis on this site: that black people are inherently less-than because of point a, b, and c.
I'm sorry the debate doesn't go in the direction you'd like, Hirsch. I too have yet to see anyone here agree with the valid points on pedophilia and whiteness that I've mentioned.
We are in quite a bind, aren't we?
"evil dominatrix cop"
For some reason, that is funnier than it should be.
Does reading about Bobby Tillman remind you of Emmett Till?
Anonymous at 8:39PM...that was funny.
As coarse, uncivilized and violent as I find black society I do have great pity on blacks who are decent people. They certainly exist and to be exposed to the many barbarians in their community daily or simply be held down through guilt by association is a sad thing.
Canadian Wood
Well Hirsch has helpfully speculated on what whites and blacks will say. Oddly though, he didn't volunteer the ashkenazi position.
"white people always try to act as if they don't do anything that his deviant or violent or socially unacceptable."
Deziarrhea, please quote any white person who has suggested that whites don't do anything wrong or deviant.
If you are not able to do so, please admit that you're a dumb fucking whore.
"yet to see anyone here agree with the valid points on pedophilia and whiteness that I've mentioned."
You've made the idiotic claim that white people invented pedophilia, yet you've offered no proof that pedophilia did not exist on the African continent for thousands of years before whites ever existed.
In other words, you're completely full of shit, and undeserving of a response.
Consider this an early Christmas gift...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8349788.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWJOn45xCX8
http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/danny-elombah/the-black-race-and-rape-12.html
"I too have yet to see anyone here agree with the valid points on pedophilia and whiteness that I've mentioned."
I'll agree, most of the pedophiles I've seen or heard about are white. BUT, even if they were all white it wouldn't even come close to the 50M blacks in this country, most of whom are degenerate criminals.
The reason nobody has refuted your claims is because your so out of touch that you don't even realize your talking about a very small percentage of the white population when we're talking about the whole black population. For your argument to be valid 27% of the white population would have to pedophiles, which is an absurd number.
@ Porter...
The Ashkenazi position is that tonight, at midnight, me and my cabal of Hebrew miscreants will meet in the basement of a synagogue and conduct human sacrifices, using the blood of virgins to boil our Matzo balls. Steven Spielberg will suggest, as he usually does at these meetings, that we should all continue the myth of the "holohoax," in order to advance our plans for world domination vis-a-vis Israel. John Stewart will of course advocate a sleeper cell-styled approach, suggesting instead that we sink massive advertising dollars into "Old Spice," commercials where a black male is held up as the ideal, in order to brainwash nordic blond white women into race-mixing so that our white enemies will be easier to topple. And that's all before midnight...
Hirsch,
You must have surely depleted your bladder of squid ink after such a copious release. If so, then we’ll likely be treated to even more flamboyant diversionary maneuvers. I can’t wait.
Back to you, my Ancient Friend.
"The reason nobody has refuted your claims is because your so out of touch that you don't even realize your talking about a very small percentage of the white population"
More than 99% of the white population are not pedophiles.
More than 50% of black males will commit a felony in their lives.
@ Porter, seriously, if you want the Ashkenazi perspective on black-white relations, I'll try to give you what I know. Why you don't want the Sephardic or Mizrahi perspective, I don't know, but generally speaking most of the historical hebes have been Ashkenazic (Einstein, Freud) so we'll ride with that.
The schism in white national consciousness is reflected pretty much across the Jewish spectrum. Take whites first. At one end, you have people like Jared Taylor, who advocate on behalf of the white race but believe in free association and don't actively call for a white homeland or the extermination of other races. Then, the reformed Klansman David Duke would probably be closer to the right, with a desire for a white homeland and white equivalent of the NAACP, though even he is uncomfortable with the tactics of unregenerate storm troopers with white-laced boots, at least in public.
So what's the Ashkenazi perspective? Okay, at one end you have people like Tim Wise or Susan Sontag, who fit the central casting profile for an agitator whose stance is essentially pro-black and anti-white (even though they would deny this). Then you have Jews like Michael Horowitz, Nicholas Stix (who writes for Amren, incidentally) or Michael Savage (real name Weiner) who essentially identify with whites and recognize disparities in crime, illegitimacy, etc., and have the same concerns about demographic suicide through immigration.
Hirsch is a fairly common Jewish name (a Helen Hirsch got the business in Schindler's List, if I remember correctly) and I obviously got the name from my father. My mother is a Southern protestant, so in a technical sense, I'm not Jewish enough for Israel, but certainly Jewish enough for Hitler (or half the posters at SBPDL).
Notwithstanding all of the above, I celebrate Christmas, oppose rampant settlements in Israel, and consider myself Jewish insomuch as I like bagels and the movie "Once Upon a Time in America". I have no problem with being antagonized on this site for my disclosure because honestly it's free entertainment.
You know, early in his career, Jack Dempsey had his promoter spread the false rumor that he was Jewish. When Tex Rickard asked him why he would do that, he answered it was because he knew people hated Jews and he wanted his opponent angry.
Or in the words of playwright David Mamet, "Everyone hates the jews, including the Jews."
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going back up to the surface for a cigarette. They don't let us smoke down here in the belly of the underground Elders of Zion bunker, where Bernard Madoff issues orders while his goyim body double languishes in prison.
Hirsch,
Since there is the natural desire in all of us to appear more clever and emotionally detached than we are (a tendency to which you often succumb) I will attempt to re-state your point without the ornamentation.
You:
Some white heretics are decent people; provided they don’t advocate any positions strong enough to actually ensure their survival. Those who do are unspeakably evil (e.g. extermination of other races and unregenerate storm troopers). As an editorial note Hirsch, these last two flourishes of yours are straw men . White nationalists want a country of their own, as I’m sure the jews can appreciate. They do not want to exterminate or “oppress” anyone.
You continue: Some jews want whites dead and other jews don’t. What you fail to note is that practically every jewish institution falls implicitly somewhere on the Wise-side of this continuum. Though certainly they are not as dimbulb as he to reveal it openly.
You conclude: People hate jews and this hurts my feelings. I will paper this wound over with some final weary sarcasm.
My Response:
Hirsch, like the rotating menagerie of blacks who comment here, you seem almost pristinely un self-aware on this issue. I’m certain you can see it in their comments. The blacks simply can not fathom why there is ill-will toward their people. They remain oblivious even when told explicitly thousands of times. So they comfort themselves in the blanket of accused white “racism.”
Just so with you. You do not (ostensibly) get it. Why on Earth whites may not feel a deep kinship with the jews is a mystery to you; and one you are certainly not inclined to unravel. No, the easier road, and the one far more traveled by, is to say “Hitler, storm troopers, bloody matzo balls, and protocols” then pack up and go home smug in the belief that the dumb white goyim are too stupid to debate honestly and too impotent to worry about. Your people will one day comprehend the fallacy of at least one of these two positions.
@ Hirsch: as a fellow MOT, I have to ask this: did you hondel a good price for all this? :-{)}
- the friendly grizzly
"You've made the idiotic claim that white people invented pedophilia"
Not so idiotic, I'll say. On websites marketed towards 'boylovers' and other alternative/gay predilections, there are books and books and BOOKS talking about the boyloving of the ancient Greeks as the foundation of homoeroticism.
These are books by pedophiles and their sympathizers. I am merely taking what they say on the subject as fact because I am not a pedophile and cannot understand from a first hand perspective 'pedophilia'. Nor am I a sympathizer.
Here is a synopsis of one book (of many) sold on a Netherlands-based gay website intermale.nl:
"ANDREW LEAR & EVA CANTARELLA
IMAGES OF ANCIENT GREEK PEDERASTY: BOYS WERE THEIR GODS
Greek pederasty, or paiderastia - the social custom of erotic relations between adult men and adolescent boys - was a central characteristic of Greek culture. Both Greeks and non-Greeks saw it, along with the gymnasium with its intimate connection to pederasty, as markers of Greek identity. It is an important theme in Greek literature, from poetry to comedy to philosophy, and in Greek art as well."
Again, I'm just taking their word for it and have yet to see anything (and wartime rapes and savagery in the Congo don't count as pedophilia which is a conscious orientation) to dispute THEIR opinion.
@ laz:
"BUT, even if they were all white it wouldn't even come close to the 50M blacks in this country, most of whom are degenerate criminals."
That's funny. If any of the above were true, I'd be typing from the Southern Nevada women's correction center. As of present, I am in my 2-story house.
"we're talking about the whole black population."
Same response as above.
You know, I never said all white people are pedophiles or that they all condone it. I know for a fact they do not. However, to deny, if at least, the derivation of the word, the concept, in ancient Greece, is odd.
I know most whites hate pedophiles. Just like you should know the majority of blacks are not criminals.
Thug Report and SBPDL, like White Watch, which posted on white criminality and pedophilia, are all ultimately cut from the same cloth. To note, I should say that WW was suspended because of complaints from Stormfront. If not true, why go so far as to stifle free speech? Hmmm...
Interestingly, SBPDL is still here because the viewpoints, in their extremity, are not a threat. Simple.
Desiree is out of touch with reality, it is the great black denial. She clings to a character like Michael Jackson, who was out of touch with reality and probably a pedophile. Not sure why she things she has a valid argument at all. It must be difficult to know that your race is the cause of so much trouble, violence and mayhem in the world.
Oh, and one more thing.
The black collective works together to promote victimology, the "black agenda" whatever that is, and to hustle whites for validation, reparations for slavery and other financial entitlements.
The white collective works together to build great Western societies, invent useful things to make life easier, create safe and beautiful communities and neighborhoods, create effective policy, build transit systems, educational institutions, patrol neighborhoods, and plant trees.
See the difference Desiree? You will never seen a big group of volunteer blacks planting trees unless it is parolees in a work release gang.
Hirsch,
If you’d indulge a follow-up to my earlier response (presuming it sees the light of day)…You mentioned Nicholas Stix, a writer I read and respect with some regularity. Unfortunately, for every Nick Stix there are 10 Tim Wises. Just as for every Thomas Sowell there are 10 (or some far higher multiple) Desirees. You see, as Derbyshire has remarked, numbers are of the essence. If a man observes that his avowed enemies are all primarily jews, he may often then conclude that jews are his enemies.
This is all extraordinarily wasteful, as logically whites and jews should form a natural alliance in the eternal war between civilization and savagery. Though this is just dreaming on my part. In practice every tribe works to further its own interests at the expense of all others. Now if only I can convince my own tribe to comprehend this fact.
Finally, I don’t know if it’s a nervous tic or an emotional compulsion on your part, but if you must include some theatrics in your every comment, that’s fine. Just don’t do so for my benefit.
Fact: blacks have a higher rate than whites for child molestation.
Source: "Recidivism of Sex Offenders Released From Prison in 1994," Table 2, U.S. Department of Justice.
--Karl Ketzer
If you think we live amongst the crazies, check out this video about the second apartheid in South Africa. S.A. blacks complain about blacks from Zimbawe, Nigeria, Somalia etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK20uHWTGdQ
"I have no problem with being antagonized on this site for my disclosure because honestly it's free entertainment."
Hirsch, you provide entertainment indeed.
On the one hand, you have found a quasi-white nationalist site and, perhaps with less vitriol than most of the posters, found your place denigrating blacks. Or at least agreeing with the fallacious claims of the proprietor.
Ultimately, you find some way to provide a mostly congruent opinion.
On the other hand, defying the above quoted excerpt, you get quite upset when another poster brings up your Jewishness.
I mean, what did you expect when your surname is like a giant "yield" sign? Anyone who frequents a site such as this, which professes an obvious dislike for blacks, would have to have a dislike for Jews as well. Perhaps it's merely an observation, but the top enemies of most racist whites seem to be "niggers" and "Kikes".
Therefore you should realize that only a few posts can elapse--and I have been reading--before you too are on the stake to be burned, alleged horns and batwings and all.
But, like a teen in fear of banishment from a clique, you fold each and every time, quickly retreating and dropping to your knees for forgiveness when you should not and do not have to.
"Don't worry, I am white, too." *Hirsch kisses red-laced Doc Martens, then toes*
Why?
Why this lot, Hirsch? No one is asking you to be like Tim Wise but you don't have to be like Dan Burros, either.
http://www.nypress.com/article-7077-from-jew-to-jew-hater-the-curious-life-(and-death)-of-daniel-burros.html
Or, since you like movies, "Daniel Balint".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Believer_(film)
"Everyone hates the jews, including the Jews."
Perhaps, and perhaps you are a little self-hating. Isn't that just the typical position of all of us less-thans?
Certainly nothing to be ashamed of... However, if I were you, I would not want to be trolled for my Jewishness, either, so I understand the sarcasm. I too think it's wrong.
Not to worry, Hirsch, the 23 chromosomes from your Christian mother which coded for your attractive Caucasian appearance should suffice for most whites, maybe save Porter...
~a friend
Blacks and the media will never, never forget Emmit Till, the African-American boy who was killed 55 years ago in Mississippi after propositioning a white woman for sex. 1,000 years from now, they will still be dragging up this ancient incident to show how rassess Whites be.
However Bobby Tillman will be forgotten within hours, as are the approximately 10,000+ black kids killed by BLACKS each and every year in the USA. No, the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of blacks who have died at the hands of blacks over the last 50 years is nothing, compared to the 5 to 10 blacks who are killed by racist Whites each year, or the ~10,000+ Whites and people of other races that are killed by Blacks each year. There has never been a more illogical and dysfunctional race, than Africans.
This has been a very interesting thread to read. Last anon, really good point regarding the mileage that stories such as Emmit Till still have left in them.
You have to feel sorry for Bobby Tillman or the nameless, forgotten Black people who suffer at the hands of Black violence.
I'm working on a number things right now - including getting some much needed R&R in California - but must say a number of interesting stories are breaking right now that deserve attention and entries of their own.
However, a quick thought:
There are many people in this world who care only about the so-called "Jewish Question"...
This blog has consistently stated that this is not worth attention and that if you wish to discuss this, other Web sites obsess over the so-called "JQ" to an extent that borders on the lunacy.
With that said, I think most non-DWL American Jews understand what is happening. A people have been empowered in Black Run America (BRA) to an extent never-before seen in world history.
I'm reading Glenn Beck's "Broke" right now, and came across a quote from Aristotle that I think sums up the problem of this epoch (which will pass):
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal."
That, my friends, is the essence of Black Run America (BRA), a system that no matter the stories that are published to showcase the un-sustainability and fragility of the country, our elite still pursue it with an intense fanaticism and devotion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/09/education/09gap.html?_r=4&ref=us
SBPDL does not take a position on the so-called "JQ", but will allow others to talk about it civilly.
The Jewish connection to the Civil Rights movement CANNOT be disregarded, nor can the involvement of DWL gentiles who pushed the idea of creating inequality in the name of equality.
We welcome Gentile and Jewish visitors, Black and white, Asian and Atheist alike. It's the illegal aliens we discriminate against.
"Not so idiotic, I'll say."
Deziarrhea, blacks lived in Africa for hundreds of thousands of years before whites even existed.
Please provide proof that there was no pedophilia in Africa during this period.
If you are incapable of doing so, please be honest enough to say so.
Thank you.
"found your place denigrating blacks."
Blacks denigrate themselves by their behavioral patterns, and the choices they make.
Blaming others for pointing this out is silly.
I actually feel some grudging admiration for Hirsch’s two friends leaping to form a defensive phalanx over what I presume they deemed to be their prone kinsman. This overt tribal solidarity is precisely what whites will need to cultivate if we are to thrive in future generations.
Although I also note, with no small amount of amusement, the de rigueur use of the hoary pejorative of “racist whites” to describe the meanies on this site. Racist as in those persons displaying tribal solidarity?
SBPDL, consider the "JQ" closed from my end.
"Deziarrhea, blacks lived in Africa for hundreds of thousands of years before whites even existed.
Please provide proof that there was no pedophilia in Africa during this period."
You know, why can't you accept the facts? Although I strongly disagree with the assumption that blacks should be judged collectively, I can admit to black crime rates, proportionally speaking. Of course, the root of black and white crime, as well as Latino and Asian, throughout the world, over and over again, is poverty.
Poverty = common denominator for most crime. But I'd bet you'd disagree.
The only difference in people is culture and hair texture, because I am the same color as many a native Mexican and East Indian. I don't, however, have straight hair.
Seeing that skin color isn't the issue, nor is facial feature size (I have smaller lips and a thinner nose than several non-blacks I have encountered), and you will not admit to the fact environment (ie. opportunity) has anything to do with failure rates (and it does), it must be something else.
So... all phenotypic characteristics and the nurture argument aside, it must be hair texture.
Yes, that's it NAPPY HAIR makes you commit crime. The tighter the curl the more deadly the black. Wow! I should win a Nobel Prize for this one!
Oh wait, white people have nappy hair all the time (even buying super strength black perms) and so do the Melanesians of the South Pacific. They aren't black.
Guess the last answer is environment. No, Nobel Prize but at least I win...
But seriously...
You have tried to push the onus of researching African pedophilia (for some reason that seems terribly oxymoronic) on me just because I have simply stated fact that pedophilia existed in Ancient Greece.
Unless you want to give Ancient Greece to the blacks. I will take ownership of Greece in spite of her rich culture of boyloving. Doesn't bother me one bit!
Greek myths alone are the draw.
Please, since I have exposed the orientation of boyloving and pederasty from an ancient white civilization--and not child molesters, which has nothing to do with pedophilia--provide me with the evidence that Africans did it first. I have yet to yield any fruit on that front.
The only black pedophile I know of was Michael Jackson. And he wanted to be white, not to mention he molested little white boys.
Take your lot and get over it, baby.
Since SBPDL mentioned Aristotle, it made me think of Socrates. He was a right boylover, well, at least according to NAMBLA...
Porter,
"I actually feel some grudging admiration for Hirsch’s two friends leaping to form a defensive phalanx over what I presume they deemed to be their prone kinsman."
I am not a Jew. I am black. He is just on the other end of a continuum of minority/Jew self-hatred, that's all.
Ripping him for his Jewishness is wrong, especially if he is already touchy about it.
~a friend
SBPDL the JQ is an interesting one, as I for one do not believe BRA would exist if not for the JQ propelling it.
Here is a great example from my own country Canada, where we are now getting a so-called "Fox-News North" tv channel where the most supposedly "right-wing" journalist/commentator host will be Ezra Levant (he brings up his race so much, his aftershave is probably JQ), who is likely more outspokenly in favor of increasing multiculturalism than most of your own DWLs down in BR-America.
I know this is an unpopular subject to bring up, but should we be most concerned about treating the infection or pulling out the knife that caused the infection in the first place?
Sorry to dwell on it, maybe you could make a sister site SJPDL. As any variation of S[DWL]PDL would be seen as something too political, which SBPDL really isn't.
Donald
Let me fisk one of your posts, and then I'll humbly retire my input on this entry and move on to the next.
"Unfortunately, for every Nick Stix there are 10 Tim Wises."
Can you really objectively verify this? That there are ten people who feel like Tim Wise for every one who feels like Stix? Please provide a link.
"In practice every tribe works to further its own interests at the expense of all others. Now if only I can convince my own tribe to comprehend this fact."
That must be quite a burden, being a leader of men and the (self) appointed herd of a flock. I wish you all the luck in the world in mobilizing "your people" to whatever end you wish."Since there is the natural desire in all of us to appear more clever and emotionally detached than we are (a tendency to which you often succumb) I will attempt to re-state your point without the ornamentation."
In other words, we all engage in flourishes (presumably Porter too) but Hirsch does not agree with me, so despite my feigning maturity and claims to the moral higher ground, I, Porter, must take umbrage.
"You:
As an editorial note Hirsch, these last two flourishes of yours are straw men . White nationalists want a country of their own, as I’m sure the jews can appreciate. They do not want to exterminate or “oppress” anyone."
No, Porter, here is your straw man. I have no objection to whites or anyone wanting to start their own homeland. If blacks embrace Garveyism or whites embrace Odinism, that's fine with me. You imputed these motives to me because they feed into this kind of messianic complex you have about yourself being the savior of the white race, and you need an enemy, a straw man of your own, and you have me, and this blog.
"You continue: Some jews want whites dead and other jews don’t. What you fail to note is that practically every jewish institution falls implicitly somewhere on the Wise-side of this continuum. Though certainly they are not as dimbulb as he to reveal it openly."
What you fail to notice is that you are incorrect. Even in Ha'aretz and other Israeli periodicals there are plenty of Hassidim and Orthodox Jews who oppose settlements and even a Zionist state. The most ardent critics of Israel, as even David Duke points out, are Jews like Noam Chomsky or Norman Finkelstein. Despite your ommissions, paranoia, and self-righteousness, you're just wrong.
"You conclude: People hate jews and this hurts my feelings. I will paper this wound over with some final weary sarcasm."
If you're the one who's constantly calling for a serious, almost elegiac tone in every post (no humor allowed) how am I the one who's wounded? As William Burroughs said, "I don't mind people hating me; the question is what they're in a position to do about it."
As a man, as an individual, I own firearms and still have a combatitives training background from my time in the Army; but I'm not as tough as Jason Statham, for instance. I'd oppose the illegal murder of anyone, of any race. In that respect and in that respect only, yes, I'd oppose the murder of Jews as much as I'd oppose my own or your own murder. Sue me.
"The blacks simply can not fathom why there is ill-will toward their people. They remain oblivious even when told explicitly thousands of times. So they comfort themselves in the blanket of accused white “racism.”"
I can fathom easily why you, Porter, would resent Jews. Nicholas Stix (who we both admire) posted an article by a blogger "Old Punk," wherein the author said that people who fail tend to blame others for their problems. A black man who doesn't get a job may construe this as white racism. Many Jews are successful and though I know (and care) nothing about your insecurities and failings, hey, the Jews are there and you can't blame the white man because you're white, so have at. Have at random half-Jews on blogs if it salves whatever wounds you have.
Hirsch - Porter?
When are Jews or even half Jews not classified as white? I've always thought of Jews as a religion not as a race and a predominantly white religion at that.
Hirsch,
Would you like a diaper or a pacifier after that outburst? About the only redeeming point I can award you is the discipline to not accuse me of being Hitler. Congratulations. As for the others I'll address them in order so as to easier track your prose which pings around like a Burmese opium pellet.
1) No, I have no empirical evidence for the ratio of Tim Wise/Nick Stix. Nor do I have any for the Desiree/Thomas Sowell. I have only a lifetime of observation in both instances which has formed on opinion. But am I correct in the assumption that you will provide citations for all of your opinions likewise? I'll be waiting.
2) You consciously avoid the obvious and uncontroversial point that our peoples seek their own interests in order to irrelevantly paint me as the professed leader of mine. Sorry Hirsch, those are your words not mine and yet another straw man is born.
3) Messianic complex...blah, blah, drivally blah. Did you stop to read that before you hit send? Seriously, Messianic complex? Hirsch, you plainly don't impress me, but you surely can come up with something less ridiculous than that.
4) You say: "What you fail to notice is that you are incorrect. Even in Ha'aretz and other Israeli periodicals there are plenty of Hassidim and Orthodox Jews who oppose settlements and even a Zionist state"
You comically obtuse child. I myself support Israel and would love to see it building settlements into the faraway horizon. I support the right of all people to a homeland of their own. But your keyboard is so flecked with your own spittle that you consistently attack positions that you have made up out of whole cloth rather than the ones I have actually articulated.
Second point here: Settlements in Israel have absolutely nothing to do with the tilt of jewish institutions in America. Again, to refute my points you must actually address them.
to be continued...
5)You say: "If you're the one who's constantly calling for a serious, almost elegiac tone in every post (no humor allowed) how am I the one who's wounded?"
Alright, I'll bite. Cite the comment where I have called for a serious tone in every post. Since I am "constantly" doing so, this shouldn't be much of a chore. I'll wait.
Also, your thus "how am I the one who's wounded" is a non-sequitur. I don't know how you're the one who's wounded based on my (phantom) calls for no humor. The two made-up positions have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
6) You say: "you need an enemy, a straw man of your own, and you have me, and this blog."
For heaven's sake Hirsch. Talk about a messianic complex. Would you like me to pull you down off that cross now? I don't hate you. You're simply a hysterical dolt that I'm wasting time arguing with.
7)You say: "As a man, as an individual, I own firearms and still have a combatitives training background from my time in the Army; but I'm not as tough as Jason Statham, for instance. I'd oppose the illegal murder of anyone, of any race. In that respect and in that respect only, yes, I'd oppose the murder of Jews as much as I'd oppose my own or your own murder. Sue me."
You have me at a loss here. Is this simply a declarative statement you offer at random or is it in response to anything I have written?
Assuming the former I'll say that as a man, as an individual, I also own firearms. I'm not nearly as tough as Jason Statham pretends to be in the movies. And I also would oppose your murder or mine and would further oppose the murder of any other jews or gentiles. So why would I sue you? We're practically blood brothers.
8) "I can fathom easily why you, Porter, would resent Jews"
Alright, then please do so. Ahh, there it is: To salve my insecurities and failings. Yes, well my failings are legendary as I'm sure you have the evidence to provide. If not, we can both just assume...eh buddy?
Well Hirsch sadly that brings me to the end of what I hope for your sake was a drug-induced rambling diatribe apropos of nothing. But if you have more ink left in the bladder, I'll be here...just doing my messianic thing.
Porter,
For God's sake, man, I don't use an Underwood or Royal to respond to your screeds. Please no more references to ink in my bladder. Nothing except time and patience are wasted when I respond to you. My ink stocks are fine.
H. P. Lovecraft wrote a poem that fits this post.
On the Creation of Niggers
When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.
SBPDL:
It's funny how this whole thread turned into 'Let's watch Porter rip Hirsch for being Jewish,' when it started about black-on-black crime (as if there isn't white-on white crime? Isn't the vast majority of crime intraracial? Am I missing something?).
But I thought the 'JQ' was unimportant on SBPDL?
I also thought, when people do discuss the 'JQ', they were supposed to do it civilly?
Apparently, neither of the above is true.
Here we see Porter refer to bladders of squid ink and calling his opponent a 'child'. I am not hesitant to say it is for anything more than Hirsch's Jewishness.
He did bring it up spontaneously, didn't he, just because he saw a Jewish name? Hirsch hadn't been a Tim Wise, had he, downing Whitey in every comment?
Not that we should expect anything more from Porter, seeing he had, some months ago, quickly devolved into calling people (namely myself or other black anonymous commenters) simians or being from the same troop (again, an ape reference).
Perhaps Hirsch deserves it a bit for being on here and, less than kindly, talking about blacks, as someone else had mentioned. You know, being a little bit of a hypocrite because it sucks to be discriminated against? I guess for that reason alone, if any, this thread is interesting to read.
But if for only that reason, it doesn't change the fact this was nothing more than a childish attack on someone's 'difference'.
Yes, Porter, in spite of your big words, you were name-calling, just an 8-year-old with a thesaurus, babe.
Thus, watching someone be backed into a corner, have to defend their inalienable DNA, and sort of deflate (wouldn't we all?) does not have some greater dialectical purpose.
Who gives a shit if Hirsch is Jewish? Aren't Jews WHITE?!
Leave the dude alone, Jesus Christ. Or should I say, 'For Moses' sake'? (sorry)
By the way, Porter, if only it were true: 10-100 Desirees per Sowell. You have no idea what you're saying; undoubtedly you wouldn't like it but, if in just a brief homage to what this post was originally about before you began dissing someone's heritage over the internet (again, not surprising since you are on SBPDL), it would not dissolve into crime, violence, and stupidity.
By the way, what do you think Thomas Sowell would say about this site? I doubt he'd like it, if he was, as you probably think, an intelligent black man...
Will you post this, SBPDL, or does it deviate too much from the topic at hand? Maybe truly official commenting guidelines are finally in order. Push come to shove, I could always add something about a boyfriend bringing guns and ammo into my bedroom; that seems to be fine with your filters.
I must repost this brilliant comment:
"The blacks simply cannot fathom why there is ill-will toward their people. They remain oblivious even when told explicitly thousands of times. So they comfort themselves in the blanket of accused white “racism.”
Donald,
You say: "SBPDL the JQ is an interesting one, as I for one do not believe BRA would exist if not for the JQ propelling it.
You are, of course, correct. And as such, any serious discussion is incomplete in its absence. Though as we have just witnessed, it is a high-voltage live wire that most polite commentators would prefer to keep at a safe distance. The proprietor here is one of those and thus once this thread is concluded he'll hear no more of it from me.
Hirsch's friend,
I liked how you phrased your initial comment; you have a deft touch. Though, like Hirsch, I think you may have skin so thin as to be translucent.
You say: Ripping him for his Jewishness is wrong, especially if he is already touchy about it.
Here is my savage sortie which impugned Hirsch's character, quoted in its entirety:
"Well Hirsch has helpfully speculated on what whites and blacks will say. Oddly though, he didn't volunteer the ashkenazi position."
That's an attack? Wow, I thought I had more piss and vinegar in me than that. You'll further search in vain for even any direct insults to the jews in everything I've written here. The point is that discussions of race/ethnicity can obviously become intense. No one gets to be a china doll--too fragile to criticize.
Besides, I'm sure Hirsch has already recovered nicely.
Hmm....
If Porter and Desiree were to have a fight, I honestly don't know who which I would support. On one hand, Desiree wants me to be a second-class citizen. On the other hand, I would worry that if I turned my back on Porter, he would stuff me into an oven.
Anyway.
Porter posted:
"If a man observes that his avowed enemies are all primarily jews, he may often then conclude that jews are his enemies."
Porter, do you also consider right-handed white men to be your enemies? All powerful institutions in the USA are controlled by right-handed white men. But I imagine that you don't blame right-handed white men for the real or imagined failings of these various institutions.
Yet this same logic is applied to Jews quite successfully.
Porter,
No, no. It is not about "china dolls" and having thin skin (mine is quite thick, perhaps thicker than Hirsch's).
You deliberately began an attack on Hirsch for his being Jewish. Out of the blue, unprovoked.
Regardless if you think your original "savage sortie" was tame, he clearly did not.
He then, as with all people cornered, lashed out in whatever way he could think of first that would make him appear strong. His was sarcasm, a rather clever way (as you admitted) to deflect pain.
But I imagine, as with the way the debate devolved, it hurt a bit. (He went on to mention his ownership of firearms, didn't he, as a sort of last proof of his "whiteness" before being shuffled into the gas chambers?)
Perhaps you are completely myopic or unsympathetic to minority/Jew self-hatred. This, of course, is not surprising since you are a white male.
As a black, the issue is pretty self-explanatory for us: we cannot escape our color and are judged accordingly, whether we like it or not. Knowing the lack of value of our color, naturally we would wish, in our most desperate of moments, to be something more desirable.
However, I can only fathom that the issue is more complex with Jews, or half-Jews. They look white and can, at least, "pass" based on looks alone. But how long can the charade last when their names or dietary habits expose them?
I don't know.
I cannot pretend to know how Hirsch was feeling but his response was not atypical of a battered minority. I am sure he's recovered by now after his final weak response but the point is this, Porter:
You ripped him for being Jewish. He didn't like it. You think it's nothing (of course, since you began the ambush). He thought differently. Whether you think he should have a shield of armor, he may not. I think you should be a little more sensitive. Everyone can feign impenetrability on the Internet but we never know their inner psychological demons.
~a friend
Always the good-faith debate team.
You criticize us, we say "Hitler."
You say you support Israel, want no harm to jews, and wish you could be allies with us, we say "ovens."
Jewish Tim Wise says he yearns for the extermination of whites, we say...nothing.
Well "friend," you had me right up until you mentioned "being shuffled into the gas chambers."
Truly the offensiveness of hearing this standardized litany of tropes in response to the mildest disparagement is nearly enough to boil through my own thick skin.
Hirsch had sometime in the distant past self-identified or been identified by another as a jew. Thus I found his speculation as to black and white responses to be mildly presumptuous given that he is neither. I expressed this in the mildest manner possible--as I have again copied and you have again ignored.
In response he began flailing like a cornered goose. Should I have left him to his devices? Probably, though I thought there were valid points to be made. Points that have, naturally, been assiduously ignored by he and his defenders.
As for Hirsch's delicate psyche, I think he's more resilient than you give him credit for. And if he's not then race discussions are not his proper forum.
I'd be happy to discuss this, or any other relevant topic with you going forward. Just drop the bullshit "gas chamber" references. They demean you much more than me.
All powerful institutions in the USA are controlled by right-handed white men.
That certainly is news. Google the name Barack Hussein Obama and let us know what you find.
Amazingly the quality of my opposition on this thread is actually decreasing.
Porter,
Perhaps Hirsch is more resilient than I give him credit for. Maybe he really did enjoy it as "free entertainment", although the possibility of that is dubious. His use of "honestly" in his statement of finding anti-semitic attacks against his being as "free entertainment" belies the actual hurt. He was simply trying to get you to believe it didn't hurt and the use of such word is a common technique of deceptive people. Not to mention his assertions of "whiteness proofs" after the initial sarcastic "squid ink release"!
As you also astutely pointed out, he did turn into a flailing cornered goose during your attack (and attack, it seems, may be the proper word).
I doubt that was apparent to only us. I must say I found it comical--I will not lie--given his conduct.
Again, I cannot truly ascertain the thickness of his skin over the Internet but I imagine it is thin. I said I'd been reading and he resorted to the same sarcasm in this thread as he did in another when someone else began to disparage him for being Jewish.
I don't think it is illogical to see it is some kind of defense mechanism (again, you did point this out to him earlier).
Porter, I think you fail to see the point. You claim Hirsch had no standing whatsoever to try to surmise what black or white contributors were saying because he's neither, when, in reality, he was simply stating the nature of the discourse on this site. I don't think he was trying to play some all-knowing Oz.
However, you used his short sentences to bring up his Jewishness in hope for a fight. It's as simple as that, regardless if you want to take ownership of your bullying.
I do agree with you that your disparagement was mild. Also mild was my use of "gas chambers" but that, like your initial attack of Hirsch's being Jewish, caused the blood beneath your "thick skin" to "boil" through the surface.
But isn't it reasonable to think both are quite facile and lukewarm and, thus, undeserving of such angry responses?
I don't understand how you can't see the similarities, Porter, although I have to say it is good to know you have enough warm blood inside of you to get your feelings hurt at death camp references. Like with the word "racist", many "white nationalists" don't want to be put on the same platform as Mengele and the SS (well, at least in mixed company).
I am not trying to pick on you, Porter, but Hirsch clearly has troubles with his ethnicity. His responses were sad. I don't think you should rub it in just because you want to have a fight.
"I'd be happy to discuss this, or any other relevant topic with you going forward."
Certainly. Thank you for the "deft touch" compliment; I will treasure it always from such a source as yourself, given "our history".
~a friend (AKA Desiree)
Well... Obama has as much claim on being white as on being black. 50-50, right? OK, PRACTICALLY all powerful institutions in the USA are controlled by right-handed white men.
Happy now, Adolf?
Wow this thread is still going? Arguing about whether or not "Hirsch" is white seems kind of fruitless. Again, according to Israel's standard I am, but according to Hitler or Porter's standard I'm not. But I have no desire to emigrate to Israel and Hitler's been dead for decades. So unless Porter starts his utopian separatist homeland some time in the near-future, I'm not going to have to worry about getting my visa in order to submit my application to become a citizen of Portertonia. But I'd be happy to donate him $5 via paypal toward the effort to make his dreams real.
Hirsch,
"Arguing about whether or not "Hirsch" is white seems kind of fruitless."
Fruitless? No, it was fun and not fruitless. Porter didn't enjoy being chastised for his disagreeable conduct, which means my goal was reached.
"But I have no desire to emigrate to Israel and Hitler's been dead for decades."
True. Please stop feigning strength through sarcasm. It's aggravating. The discourse went downhill on your end and you needed help. He was being a racist bully and I felt the need to provide my 2 cents as a fellow minority. You were attacked for being a Jew; regardless of your conduct previous in terms of blacks, you deserved help. I helped you like any good soldier would, right?
"But I'd be happy to donate him $5 via paypal toward the effort to make his dreams real."
Don't say that. This is akin to the "I own firearms" bit above. A Jew/anti-Semite bond will not be achieved just because you've decided to let him off easy.
But perhaps this is the way men recover from a bash to the ego. My mistake, a thrashing.
In that case, enjoy your new "friend", Hirsch. As someone else said, when you turn your back he may stuff you into an oven. At that point, it would be cruel of me to say "I told you so, Joe..."
A friend's advice--especially a friend in mutual bondage--should be treasured, not disregarded.
~a friend
Desiree's doppelganger,
I like this persona much better. You should drop the chicken-necking, goggle-eyed, subterranean-IQ, Sheniqua version.
And as I knew our boy had it in him, Hirsch has recovered like a champ and is back slinging hash like he never left. It's almost as if he even has something relevant to say.
Porter,
"I like this persona much better. You should drop the chicken-necking, goggle-eyed, subterranean-IQ, Sheniqua version."
Variety is the spice of life. My so-called 'Sheniqua' version with her 'subterranean IQ' was only disliked because she said things to which you disagreed.
You only liked my 'doppelganger' because she, as delicately as possible, made fun of Hirsch and mentioned his seeming hypocrisy. You wanted to make fun of him and she made fun of him, thus, an inexplicable camaraderie was born. Porter, that really seems like the mentality of one involved in a lynch mob; I will not be complicit in such evil against a colored brethren just because I thought he was two-faced.
By the way, I most enjoyed how you resorted to dissing "Desiree" when you found out you'd given me a compliment. Very predictable. I must say I have always been this way, like the 'doppelganger'. Bummer you failed to notice!
"Hirsch has recovered like a champ and is back slinging hash like he never left."
He's lying. Notice how he was shocked that the thread was still chugging along without his so-called 'squid ink' additions.
It's obvious he'd been avoiding it. Out of fear? Only he can tell us.
"It's almost as if he even has something relevant to say."
If by relevant you mean a promise to funnel money into your white separatist fantasies, then no. He had nothing relevant to say.
It was a typical sarcastic retort. I believe there is a lot of pathology in Hirsch's head that he needs to address, in terms of his ethnicity. He wears such heavy armor and I'd like him to remove it and expose the soft belly of his feelings as a less-than.
Hirsch, as one battered-by-the-System minority to another, I am always here to listen!
~Desiree's doppelganger
Oh, come on. "A friend" is obviously "Hilarity Ensues," the once-and-future black boogeyman of these comment sections. I'd recognize those pedantic, long-winded, pointless diatribes anywhere.
Go away, Hilarity. We don't need your scum.
Wow. If cars ran on "smug" Porter could single-handedly solve the alternative energy crisis. If he wants to start a white homeland, though, he is going to have to get in line behind Tom Metzger, who is the leader of the white resistance, and is also, incidentally, an air-conditioner repairman. Talk about double threats. But you know what they say: No revolution ever happened without freon.
"A friend" is obviously "Hilarity Ensues,"
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong-ity, wrong!
But then again, when he/she commented, they were occasionally accused of being me and vice versa.
"I'd recognize those pedantic, long-winded, pointless diatribes anywhere."
Obviously not. Clean your spectacles!
I was only anonymous because I didn't want Hirsch to know it was me, although I bet he could tell. Inform us, Hirschie sweetie, did you know it was me?
Damn, I should've put my name on those! I guess this is exactly how black inventors feel!
SBPDL can verify my IP address with his statcounter that 'a friend' and I are one and the same...
"black boogeyman ... We don't need your scum."
Please use 'boogeyperson' or 'boogeywoman'. You are offending my feminist sensibilities. And I take 'scum' as a compliment akin to 'deft touch'.
Wow! Well, Porter was a right little git, wasn't he? I guess I should abandon 'Sheniqua' and stick to 'Desiree's doppelganger'!
I'd get more respect and, alternately, be more feared than before. SBPDL, this was your most informative thread yet, both personally and dialectically...
~a friend/Desiree's doppelganger/DESIREE, not 'Hilarity Ensues'
On the same day Mr. Bobby Tillman is buried, ANOTHER Black kid is killed at a party by Black people:
http://www.ajc.com/news/18-year-old-shot-740996.html
SBPDL:
Why don't you highlight the murders of whites by whites?
Equal time allotted for all incidents of intra-racial crime (most common form of crime in this country) would make you look less like a dishonest, Glenn Beck-style, racist provocateur.
No one ever said black people (or whites) coexist in perfect harmony. We have yet to formulate successful unity. If we did, well, you know... Black Run America would no longer be fig newton of your imagination.
A moment of silence for Black Wall Street that was destroyed by white racists...
"My so-called 'Sheniqua' version with her 'subterranean IQ' was only disliked because she said things to which you disagreed."
No.
It's the blatant stupidity.
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