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| Peyton Hillis has exposed the Caste System in sports |
"When you're a white athlete, you're never fast," Ed (Zbikowski, Tom's father) said without a hint of resentment or disrespect in his voice. "It's reality, and we dealt with it."Lemming was quoted in The Blind Side saying something quite similar (page 37):
Recruiting analyst Tom Lemming of CSTV and the Prep Football Report, said Zbikowski's saga is hardly isolated.
"When it comes to football, white athletes have to prove themselves more than black athletes at certain positions -- cornerback, wide receiver and running back," Lemming said. "There's a prejudice amongst a lot of college coaches -- not all of them -- that white guys can't play those positions. So when they get to college, they get switched right away to other positions.
"And there were anti-types: lord help the white receiver or the white running back, or until the earlier 1990s, the black quarterback."We have written about Peyton Hillis before and white running backs in general, from Toby Gerhart to Jacob Hester. Last Sunday, Hillis became the first white running back in 25 years to run for more than 1,000 yards in a season:
It has been a wild ride for Hillis who led the Denver Broncos in his rookie season but was sidelined due to an injury at the end of his inaugural season in the NFL. In his sophomore season, first year head coach Josh McDaniels made the big back the fourth stringer and he amassed only 13 carries the entire year. In the offseason, he was traded to the Browns with a draft pick for Brady Quinn. McDaniels was fired this week while Hillis continues to punish NFL defenses week in and week out.Hillis is a talented running back, though he was lucky to even get a shot at that position. Even he is afraid to say why that opportunity only came through attrition:
Caste Football is a Web site that documents the trend in professional sports for white players to be actively discriminated against, and the Peyton Hillis situation has been the story that finally shown the brightest veracity upon their position.
When Hillis looks back on those days, he can't come up with an adequate explanation as to why nobody could see him in a feature role. Even in Cleveland, he started as a fullback until injuries led to a shot in a Week 3 game against Baltimore, a chance that Hillis turned into a 144-yard effort.
"I think it was about not being in the right place at the right time," he said. "Or maybe it was about not being in the right scheme. But I'm not worried about that now. I'm just focused on being in the right situation here."
Since Hillis can't make sense of his past, I'll take a stab at it. His previous coaches likely spent so much time looking for runners with certain skill sets that they never envisioned that Hillis could be more than what he was. He got placed in a box, and that's not just because of his skin color. It's because this is what happens when people don't have the vision to see beyond the expectations they've already established in their own minds.
If you think this is flawed logic, just consider the plight of black quarterbacks in the past. Many were labeled as "athletes" or "scramblers" and rarely given a chance to show their abilities as passers because they didn't fit a certain NFL mold. The irony now is that mobility is a treasured asset in quarterbacks, but that's also beside the point. In those days, if you didn't look the part, you didn't get the part.
White players are discriminated against, starting at the high school level. In the past, Black players were "stacked" at certain positions, but today it is white players who are "stacked" at the quarterback, tight end, offensive line and thrown the occasional scrapes of defensive end, linebacker and safety on defense.
Hillis has aptly shown what happens when a white player gets an opportunity at forbidden positions (just as Gerhart and Hester did in college football). And remember, it took a number of injuries for him to finally have the chance to excel.
One Black writer at Atlantic magazine wrote:
Look, the evidence has been documented with exceptional detail at Caste Football. Stereotyping does exist and Hillis has helped show how pervasive this stereotyping has become. His 1,000+ rushing yards in 2010 has undeniably altered the debate about just where discrimination currently can be found.I would not argue that no amount of stereotyping happens in pro athletics. But I'd like to see something more detailed and less based on vague impressions. I've linked to this before, but I think this Josh Levin piece establishes a pretty convincing pattern in the NBA.
Remember: sports offer the only positive views of Black people in contemporary America. Having All-American looking running backs dominating a league that is 70 percent Black (check out the racial breakdown of the NFL here) isn't good for sports, or at least for fueling positive images of Black people.
How many thousands of white athletes at the high school have been dissuaded from pursing collegiate athletics because a coach moved them from a certain position to a more racially appropriate one or a talent evaluator (like Lemming) saw no reason in promoting them at a position that is quickly becoming off-limits to white players (see running back, corner, safety or receiver)?
Peyton Hillis running for more than 1,000 yards despite attempts to pigeon-hole him as a fullback has finally vindicated Caste Football and proved the conspiracy exists as the Web site has always maintained.
Stuff Black People Don't Like includes Peyton Hillis rushing for more than 1,000 yards, for a white running back isn't supposed to be fast enough to elude the tackles of superior Black athletes on defense. Sports --basketball (which ESPN promotes tirelessly) and football-- are the play grounds for Black people to showcase their talents; and for a white boy to run around, over and through Black people is a blow to the entire rigged system that Caste Football has been declaring exists.
It should be stated that Hillis was not the feature (primary) running back in Cleveland until week three.
35 comments:
"finally vindicated Caste Football and the conspiracy theory the site maintained exists."
That site is a collection of F'ing retards who are just as obtuse as all the negroes who believe the shortage of black quarterbacks and black coaches is due to racism.
There is no anti-white conspiracy against white running backs any more than there is an anti-black conspiracy against black quarterbacks and black coaches. Generally speaking, black quarterbacks aren't as good as white quarterbacks, black coaches aren't as good as white coaches, and white running backs aren't as good as black running backs.
Of all the attributes that contribute to being a good running back, the most important is breakaway speed. As evidenced by the 100-meter finals in any world class track event, black athletes are simply MORE LIKELY to have breakaway speed than white athletes.
Am I suggesting that a white athlete can't be a successful sprinter, or a successful running back??
NO! Just LESS LIKELY.
Some running backs rely more on a combination of both speed and power for their success, Gerhart and Hillis are good examples. And although both are big, strong, fast guys...if there was a sprint competition for all NFL running backs, Gerhart and Hillis would both finish in the bottom 10%.
"Bill Belichick" is another thing that Black People Don't Like. He gets rid of black malcontent Randy Moss, and he has white wide receivers and white running backs in the game...all at the same time! Welker, Woodhead, and Edelman sounds like the name of a legal practice, but it's actually a three headed white monster that amasses first downs and score touchdowns. Maybe, this offseason when the Cleveland Browns cut Peyton Hillis, because they know that a white running back cannot have success TWO YEARS IN A ROW, Belichick and the Pats will obtain him and continue their quest to be the smartest football team in the NFL.
Breakaway speed, really? How many times is that breakaway speed used on the 2-7 yard carries that make up the vast majority of carries? And why are cornerbacks usually the fastest on the team if breakaway speed is most important?
And I don't know how you reach your bottom 10% conclusion, is there an official record of each RB's time? You may be right, I just don't see that information readily available.
The NFL has become a league that thrives due to the passing game. The running game is often neglected and your typical NFL running back is between 5-7 - 5-10, weighing about 220. Short legs, burst through the holes and through the arm tackles of safeties and corners.
Hillis is 6'1, 240, and rushing for 4.8 yards a game. If Cleveland wasn't so one-dimensional, i.e. a running team, and had a credible quarterback and receiving threats, Hillis wouldn't have to run against 9 defensive guys in the so-called "box" and would have more running room.
"How many times is that breakaway speed used on the 2-7 yard carries that make up the vast majority of carries?"
A 2-7 yard carry has the POTENTIAL to be a much longer carry, depending on breakaway speed, and really good blocking.
"And why are cornerbacks usually the fastest on the team if breakaway speed is most important?"
I said that breakaway speed is the most valuable attribute OF A RUNNING BACK.
Cornerbacks must be exceptionally fast in order to cover exceptionally fast wide receivers.
"And I don't know how you reach your bottom 10% conclusion, is there an official record of each RB's time? You may be right, I just don't see that information readily available."
No, I was simply making a guess, I didn't look up any 40 times. Hillis is an F'ing BEAST, a guy that monstrous is usually not going to have a great 40 time.
Hillis' fastest 40 time was a 4.54 at the NFL combine.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=32821&draftyear=2008&genpos=fb
http://cfn.scout.com/2/840193.html
40 times of other running backs...
On a side note...was flipping through the pages of the new SPORTS ILLUSTRATED, with Sportsman of the Year Drew Brees on the cover. Turned to page 60 and looked at a quote about the impact Brees' presence in New Orleans has had: "Brees has transcended athletics, culture and race: "New Orleans proper is nearly 70% black, and, says Ronald Markham, the 32-year-old African-American CEO of the New Orleans Jazz Orchestra, 'It is a city with many schisms.' Yet African-American fans wear number 9 too. 'I'll say this: Drew is definitely an honorary brother,' says Troy Henry, 50, a black businessman who finished a distant second to Mitch Landrieu in the mayor's race just before this year's Super Bowl. 'He transcends race, and he does it with class and dignity.' "
LOL! An "honorary brother"? I think not. Brees is married to the mother of his kids. Brees has never been arrested or done jail time. Brees is currently not on probation or parole. Brees is educated. Brees contributes to the betterment of society. In no way, shape, or form does Brees resemble anything close to an "honorary brother".
Another thing: why is Brees the "honorary brother", but the black players aren't "honorary crackers/honkies"? What if someone referred to Reggie Bush as an "honorary white man"? Does anyone think for even one second that a person referring to Reggie Bush that way wouldn't have been called a racist and have been terminated?
Next to this quote was a picture of Brees doing charity work with about 50 other people helping to build someone a new home; and of the 50 people, about 47 were white and 3 were black. How come in a city that is 70% black, about 94% of the volunteer staff was white?
I'm sick of this honorary black person bullshit. President Clinton was our 'first black president' (according to Toni Morrison). This phrase gets bestowed upon white people by black people to make white people feel less threatened and feel more "cool" with and around black people. Instead of using such a racist, pandering phrase, why don't black people do more of the things that white people do to be successful and then there won't be a need to call people "honorary brother" or "honorary Jew" or "honorary Asian". Pathetic.
Caste Football seemed like an interesting site, until I checked out their section on boxing. Their hypothesis is that the Klitschko brothers aren't popular in America because someone has an interest in suppressing a white heavyweight champion. If anyone cares to remember though, Lennox Lewis was not very popular in America, and he was also not white.
Another case is Tommy "the duke" Morrison; he was a competent enough boxer with class wins over an ageing Foreman and Donovan Ruddock. He was supposedly the grand-nephew of John Wayne (hence his ring name, "The Duke")but he had a few problems, like false HIV positives and a penchant for cocaine and firearms. Still, white boxing fans rallied around him.
The truth about race and boxing, contradictory to what Caste Football would have you believe, is that if any one of the major promoters, from Arum to King, can spot a white guy with even a marginal chance at a title, they will acquire him immediately, because white boxers are very marketable on the basis of the "Great White Hope" slant, from Pavlik, to Conn, to Cobb, to Cooney. Full friggin' stop.
"Caste Football seemed like an interesting site, until I checked out their section on boxing."
I posted there once, making reasoned, logical arguments that refuted their position.
They deleted my comments.
"...Of all the attributes that contribute to being a good running back, the most important is breakaway speed..."
Not quite what comes to mind when Brown, Csonka, Riggins and Campbell are mentioned.
"...Their hypothesis is that the Klitschko brothers aren't popular in America because someone has an interest in suppressing a white heavyweight champion..."
Some of the largest gates in boxing history, even when adjusted for inflation, have been K brother fights in Germany. Cooney-Holmes was massive. Are you are honestly suggesting money isn't being left on the table? For some reason marketing mavens are unable to sell smart-mouthed-black-guy-gets-KTFO-by-PhD-Euro? Promoters who live off the Hispanic vs. black race angle are above hyping a black vs. white grudge match?
No prob. Dana White is scooping up those unwanted sports entertainment dollars.
"...That site is a collection of F'ing retards..."
Milton Friedman said, 'Discrimination is its own punishment.' Sahib McDaniels lost a head coaching job because of it. He literally could not see the casteless untouchable Hillis-walla standing in front of him. Better to go with Knowshon Moreno, he of the 10 carries for 15 yards game. That seems a bit 'tard to me.
"Not quite what comes to mind when Brown, Csonka, Riggins and Campbell are mentioned."
1. The game has gotten a lot faster since the 70's and 80's.
2. "Am I suggesting that a white athlete can't be a successful sprinter, or a successful running back?? NO! Just LESS LIKELY."
"He literally could not see the casteless untouchable Hillis-walla standing in front of him."
And for this incompetence he deserved to be fired, as should ANY coach who chooses ANY player based on skin color rather than ability.
Why isn't HBO eager to show the Klitschko brothers?
Sprinter speed can help a running back, but it never has been necessary to be succesful. The backs on championship teams have usually been consistent at picking up the first downs rather than being track sprinter types.
How many super bowl rings do Simpson, Sayers, and Sanders have?
Charles
There are plenty of loud-mouthed, uncouth black boxers. Floyd Mayweather probably tops the list right now, both in terms of marketing dollars and in loudness. But then you have guys like Glen Johnson or Chad Dawson, black boxers whose out of ring behavior is about as muted as Joe Louis's during his heyday. There is not a general interest in Dawson, despite being American and black, for the reason you already cited: The rise of mixed-martial arts. That has more to do with the decline of boxing stateside than any racial boogeyman to which Caste Football wishes to attribute decisions. Again, I don't know enough about football to acknowledge or refute what they have to say about that sport. I do know that they are pissing into the wind regarding their views of the racial dynamics concerning boxing.
You mentioned Cooney; he is all the evidence you need that America will embrace a white fighter over a black one, whether or not he deserves it. There are plenty of experts who believe Holmes was superior to Ali. Cooney, god love him, was essentially a one-handed fighter, a la the Brockton Blockbuster, Marciano, who also, like Cooney caught a lot of great fighters on their decline; Cooney's devestation of Norton is very reminiscent of the hurting Marciano put on Walcott.
America fell in love with Cooney, despite his sparse accomplishments (when compared to Holmes) exactly because he was white, demonstrating thd opposite of the kind of plot that Caste hopes to uncover.
Worldwide, boxing continues to eclipse UFC and its satellites. Also in terms of Pay-Per-Views, no MMA event has thus far surpassed the numbers done by De La Hoya-Mayweather. You should remember additionally that when Bob Arum said that UFC was not publicly traded (they may have since done an IPO) they could have claimed to have done 10 trillion buys. Who was to check?
Regarding the popularity of the Klitschkos in Europe, especially at Colorline in Hamburg, Deutschland, they are fluent in German and began their professional lives there. Aryans who hold the Klitschkos up as their ideal should know that both brothers are trained by Emmanuel Steward (black), who aside from Freddie Roach (white) is the best trainer since Eddie Futch (black), the best that ever lived.
And yes, whether anyone likes it or not, the greatest fighter who ever lived was a black guy named Ray Robinson.
"How many super bowl rings do Simpson, Sayers, and Sanders have?"
As many as Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, and Jim Kelly.
Last anon,
Good point.
I have a lot of problems with Caste Football. For one, they think it is wrong of me to capitalize Black and not white.
It should be obvious to most people why that is done here, but the people at Caste Football are locked into an insane mindset where any failure of WHITE PEOPLE must be due to minority racism.
They also think that the person behind this Web site is a graduate of North Carolina A@T or North Carolina A&M.
http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8179&PN=52&title=peyton-hillis
Regardless, I've forgotten more about sports (the actual Xs and Os behind the game) then everyone who posts there EVER knew.
I do enjoy the tireless work done by many of the posters there to showcase what the continued discrimination of white athletes means for society at large. Having positive examples of Black people is important, considering the alternative (thugreport.com) and keeping white players from certain positions means that Black players will dominate the glamor positions in college and the professional ranks (RB, CB, Receiver, safety and increasingly, QB).
"They also think that the person behind this Web site is a graduate of North Carolina A@T or North Carolina A&M."
LOL Now THAT is funny! WDE!
Personally, I don't give a shit how few white running backs there are in the NFL, but what annoys the shit out of me is that it doesn't receive ANY discussion/mention whatsoever in sports media...whereas we're beaten over the head almost daily with the "CRISIS" of not enough black coaches or black quarterbacks.
(Just a few minutes ago, one of the Fox NFL commentators was fluffing the NY Giants black defensive coordinator, talking about what a great Head Coach this guy will be...I swear, it never ends.)
There was a time I was a huge fan of ESPN, but now you can't pay me to watch that garbage.
"As many as Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, and Jim Kelly."
Marino, Trakenton, and Kelly played in at least one Super Bowl. Sayers, Simpson, and Sanders never came close to being in one.
Sayers in 1969, and Simpson in 1976, led the league in rushing while their teams finished 1-13 and 2-12.
SPDL,
Since you brought up the subject, just what college did you graduate from?
"Marino, Trakenton, and Kelly played in at least one Super Bowl. Sayers, Simpson, and Sanders never came close to being in one."
So what?
Are you actually suggesting that Sayers, Simpson & Sanders are NOT 3 of the greatest of all time based on the fact that they never played in a Super Bowl?
There's a helluva lot of NFL Hall Of Famers who have never played in a Super Bowl, are they all overrated?
"So what?"
Of course Simpson, Sayers, and Sanders are 3 of the greatest of all time. I never suggested otherwise. The point is that their great speed and running ability alone could not make a team a winner. Teams win Super Bowls without that type of running back all the time.
"The point is that their great speed and running ability alone could not make a team a winner. Teams win Super Bowls without that type of running back all the time."
That statement can apply to any position, not just running back. (And for the record, I have not attempted to argue that having a fast RB automatically equals success.)
Teams also routinely reach the Super Bowl without a great quarterback. In the last 15 years alone, the following qb's have all started in the Super Bowl:
XXIX - 1/29/95
Stan Humphries, San Diego Chargers - NE Louisiana
XXX - 1/28/96
Neil O'Donnell, Pittsburgh Steelers - Maryland
XXXIII - 1/31/99
Chris Chandler, Atlanta Falcons - Washington
XXXIV - 1/30/00
Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans - Alcorn State
XXXV - 1/28/01
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - Fresno State
Kerry Collins, New York Giants - Penn State
XXXVII - 1/26/03
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - FSU
Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders - Delaware
XXXVIII - 2/1/04
Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers - Louisiana-Lafayette
XXXVIX - 2/6/05
Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia - Syracuse
XL - 2/5/06
Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle - Boston College
XLI - 2/4/07
Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears - Florida
PWI??
SBPDL,
Thanks for doing the work I was too lazy (and busy traveling) to do. Hillis' 4.54 would put him in the top half of RBs. Not quite the bottom 10% like first anonymous said.
"Thanks for doing the work I was too lazy (and busy traveling) to do. Hillis' 4.54 would put him in the top half of RBs. Not quite the bottom 10% like first anonymous said."
That was his FASTEST time, not his average time.
His average time was 4.64, which is not considered particularly fast among NFL running backs.
From this years's NFL Combine:
The Top 10 Official 40 Yard Dash Times from 2010
4.28: Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson
4.34: Trindon Holliday, return specialist, LSU
4.35: Jahvid Best, RB, California
4.37: C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
4.40: Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh
4.41: Taylor Price, WR, Ohio
4:41: Emmanuel Sanders, WR, Southern Methodist
4.42: Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
4.43: Brandon Banks, WR, Kansas State
4.43: Taylor Mays, S, Southern California
4.43: Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
4.43: Kyle Williams, WR, Arizona State
Top Ten 40 Yard Dash times since 2000 (when official times began being recorded.
4.24: Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina (2008)
4.28: Jerome Mathis, WR, Hampton (2005)
4.28: Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson (2010)
4.29: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State (2008)
4.29: Stanford Routt, CB, Houston (2005)
4.29: Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska (2005)
4:30: Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland (2009)
4.30: Yamon Figurs, WR, Kansas State (2007)
4.30: Darrent Williams, CB, Oklahoma State (2005)
4.31: Tyvon Branch, CB, Connecticut (2008)
4.31: Justin King, CB, Penn State (2008)
4.31: Jonathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina (2006)
4.31: Aaron Lockett, WR, Kansas State (2002)
4.31: Santana Moss, WR, Miami (Fla.) (2001)
http://www.walker-sports.net/2010/03/2010-nfl-combine-fastest-40-yard-dash.html
"That statement can apply to any position, not just running back."
There is an old saying that it is impossible to argue with an ignorant man. The same applies to a professional troll.
We're talking about running backs, and Hillis' average of 4.64. So nice job posting top 40 times at all positions, anonymous.
"We're talking about running backs, and Hillis' average of 4.64. So nice job posting top 40 times at all positions, anonymous."
I couldn't find a list of current NFL running backs. Sorry.
I stumbled on these lists and posted them "as is", including a link.
Here's a list of top-rated running backs from the class of 2008 (Hillis's class)...
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d807a7526/article/drafts-top-running-backs
The primary attributes of a good running back are instinct, durability, and a good pair of hands. Without those, a high 40 time doesn't matter.
Hillis wouldn't have gotten off the bench without injuries to the other backs, none of whom had ever looked as good as Hillis has in 2010, or even when he was in Denver.
"They also think that the person behind this Web site is a graduate of North Carolina A@T or North Carolina A&M."
lol, who is "they"? Does that mean EVERYONE at Caste Football believes you are from North Carolina A&T or North Carolina A&M? Or could it be that one poster made an incorrect assertion.
Because I'm sure you've never made a factual error because, after all, you've "forgotten more about sports (the actual Xs and Os behind the game) then everyone who posts there EVER knew."
One of the things White People Don't Like is insufferable egomaniacs.
P.S. As regards this quote -- "It should be obvious to most people why that is done here, but the people at Caste Football are locked into an insane mindset where any failure of WHITE PEOPLE must be due to minority racism." Your singularly "sane mindset" has prevented you from comprehending that most of Caste Football's criticism is aimed at Whites and Jews, and often at White athletes and fans themselves. Sure, blacks are often dysfunctional and their behavior appalling, but the Caste System was created and is enabled by Whites.
Re Hillis: compare apples to apples. In a classic Castefootball article that introduces Mr. Hammer to Mr. Head of Nail, poster Jimmy Chitwood spelled it out loud and clear.
""A case in point:
Player A, as a high school senior, was 6-1, 220-pounds, and ran a reported 4.5 40. Player B, as a high school senior, was 6-2, 220-pounds, and ran a reported 4.5 40.
Player A rushed for 2,134 yards and 27 touchdowns on 223 carries as a senior (9.6 avg.). Player B rushed for 2,631 yards and 29 touchdowns on 261 carries as a senior (10.1 avg.).
Player A was a Parade All-American and one of the top prospects in the nation. Player B was a Parade All-American and one of the top prospects in the nation.
Here is where things get interesting… and confusing… and troubling…because it is readily apparent that both of these athletes are incredibly talented. And physically, one could hardly hope to find two more similar athletes … except for one evidently all-important difference.
Player A is black and Player B is white. ""
This article compared Peyton Hillis to Beanie Wells. Wells a pro-bust so far who had been given every opportunity to play, and Hillis a similiarly talented back who got almost no chance to play until this year.
Read it and be awakened:
Heisman Candidate or Blocking Fullback? The Difference is Apparently Only Skin Deep
http://www.castefootball.us/viewarticle.asp?sportID=3&teamID=0&ID=23304
Funny how liberals say black people are better athletes, but that no other possible trait can attributed to Their race.....that would be stereotyping.
Funny thing, that.
Someone who is black is more likely to be a sprinter than someone who is not. Also they are more likely to weigh 500 lbs as well. Funny how Sports Illustrated never push that when pushing their superior athlete stisch.
about breakaway speed, you know what the record for 30+ yard rushing tds was for the longest time? SIX in one season. Held by......Jim Brown. Two people have broken it, Deangelo Williams and Chris Johnhson. backs rarely run in a straight line, its about reading blocks, agility and getting to the 2nd level. Shonn Greene is much slower than Hillis and is fine, LeGerret Blount ran a 4.7, those are just the better backs. Moreno ran a 4.62, Ingram ran in the 4.6 range as well. Mike Tolbert in the 4.7 range.
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