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| An Actual Twitter (public) conversation with Soledad O'Brien |
SBPDL has Twitter. Follow us here. We have decided to start a new "hash tag" (a way for people to search certain terms and see who is commenting on them, and work to get them trending) called #whiteinamerica. This is, of course, inspired by CNN's "Black in America" series that investigates life for Black people in Black-Run America (BRA).
Any abnormality that Black people face will be highlighted in this on-going series (such as poor credit ratings, a problem that only exists when you spend more than you make) and efforts by the Federal government to quickly correct this inequity will be made.
What does it mean to be 'White in America'? We are going to explore this in a long essay for another Web site, but have no problem in stating the thesis: racial violence against white people is hardly a cause for concern nor justification for coverage by the media, for it is just another example of the privilege of being white; white people shouldn't worry about the changing demographics in America, for the joyous day when white people are just another minority group is the moment when a peaceful Utopia will occur.
In summation, white people have no voice in their continued dispossession that they have the privilege of funding, and have the honor of bearing the brunt of the primary racial assaults (Black-on-white attacks being the most prolific) transpiring in this nation that the media admittedly will not cover.
SBPDL started as a joke. That joke started to end on July 4, 2009 when we read about a Mahogany Mob attack in Akron, Ohio (50+ Black people) on a white family trying to enjoy the fire works. In this case, the Black participants shouted "It's a Black world!" as they attacked the white family.
That joke ended this summer, when Mahogany Robs and Mahogany Mobs started emerging nationwide to a complete media Black-out.
That joke officially ended when scores of Black people at the Wisconsin State Fair in Milwaukee pulled white people from their cars and assaulted them. CNN didn't cover this story (only local media did), but instead covered a month-old killing in Jackson, Mississippi, allegedly a white teenager running over a Black guy.
They just did a special on this killing (Mississippi Burning Again?). The unprecedented racial violence against white people by Black people that has accelerated since Mein Obama took office is left to be discussed on The American Thinker and in the e-book "White Girl Bleed A Lot" by Colin Flaherty - reviewed at WorldNetDaily here - or other sites that are basically marginalized (no offense guys and girls).
Take Peoria, Illinois for example. A city that is basically 70 percent white and 25 percent Black, Peoria has seen the escalation of racial violence in the past six months that CNN has yet to discuss. Problematic for CNN; it's huge mobs of Black people attacking law-abiding white citizens. If it were angry white mobs terrorizing Peoria's Black population, you'd have an international incident on your hands that Anderson Cooper would cover for weeks.
No, you have this:
Two motorists were accosted by groups of teenagers within a few days of each other in an area near the site of a similar incident over the summer that drew national attention.It's a safe bet that white families will not be going trick or treating this weekend, for the fear of Mahogany Mobs attacking white kids dressed as ghost, dogs, or registered mail is too great. Seriously though, trick or treating will probably be canceled in Peoria, because police cannot guarantee the safety of white kids in that community, the number one sign that the Black Undertow has taken over.
A group of about 50 young people on West Thrush Avenue near North Sheridan Road in June caused a disturbance by blocking the roadway and, according to one resident but not others, shouting race-related remarks.
Comments related to race also were part of one of the incidents last week.
A Meals on Wheels delivery driver was making his way to a home in the 800 block of West Nowland Avenue about 12:45 p.m. Wednesday when he encountered a group of 15 teens - 13 males and two females - walking down the middle of the road.
The group would not yield to the motorist, who followed him until reaching the house where he had to make the meal delivery. As he exited to take the food to the door, he was verbally attacked, according to a report on the incident.
One teen called him "honky," while another threatened to "kick his white (expletive)."
As the volunteer driver returned to his car to leave, the teens surrounded his car and pounded on it. The vehicle was not damaged, but police noted disturbances to dust on the vehicle, backing up the driver's story.
A woman driving in the 800 block of West Brons Avenue on Saturday night was the subject of a similar, but much more aggressive confrontation. She encountered a group of more than 40 teens about 10:25 p.m.
The group surrounded the 21-year-old woman's car and began beating on it with an object that shattered her driver's side window. One of the boys involved in the attack also pointed a handgun in the direction of a passenger in the car, but didn't make any threats or attempt to open the door.
When police responded, the group scattered in different directions. No arrests were made.
Both incidents remain under investigation by police. Public information officer Doug Burgess said Monday the incidents do not appear to be organized efforts, but rather the byproduct of unruly circumstances.
"It's not groups that are getting together to wreak havoc on the community," Burgess said.
The group Wednesday likely had just left school after District 150 released students early for the day. Police also have fielded reports that the group Saturday night had just left a nearby house party. The large group in June, too, had been at a house party just before that incident.
Where are you CNN? Where were you in June, when this happened?:
This is a reprint from the Peoria Chronicle’s web site. It was posted by CJ, the sites owner and written by Paul Wilkinson. Paul is the President of the Altamont Park Neighborhood Association. I know Paul and he is the most straight forward person I’ve met. He has no need to embellish or to lie. That means this is true and it’s an outrage. I hope Mr. Jackson of the local NAACP reads this and responds. That will be interesting. This is nothing more than hate and race war against whites.
Here is the posted letter:
Tonight, around 11 p.m., a group of at least 60-70 African American youth marched down one of the side streets (W. Thrush) to the 4 lane main drag (Sheridan). They were yelling threats to white residents. Things such as we need to kill alll the white people around here. They were physically intimidating anyone calling for help from the police. They were surrounding cars. Cars on the main drag had to slam on their brakes to either avoid the youth blocking not only all four lanes, but a large section of the side street as well. fights were breaking out among them. They were rushing residents who looked out their doors, going on to porches, yelling threats to people calling the police for help.
Cars were doing U turns on the streets just to avoid the mob, mostly male. One youth stated his grandfather was white and several assaulted him on the spot. One police officer answered the call. The youth split into two large groups, one heading north, the other south. They were also yelling racial threats to the police officer but he was outnumbered. Another police car did not show up until after the youth finally dispersed and the patty wagon (van) also eventually showed up.
Residents are very shaken, both black and white alike. This is the fifth large mob action in about a month with smaller groups of 10-12 are out threatening children and adults a few evenings a week or later into the night. The times vary, even occuring during the day. In talking to the police officer, they are short staffed. Residents were advised to simply keep inside and to lock their doors. In other words buckle down, it’s not even safe to sit on your porch or go into your yards.
My take? These are the same youths that run our schools and these are the same that make our schools unsafe, can’t make state standards, and assault teachers and staff. Why? Because there are no repercussions for their actions. At District 150, many are slapped on the wrist or told they suffer econmic let down or whatever and must need help. Even the Chief of Police who tried to correct this type of mob action on the south side streets by issuing J-Walking tickets a few years back, slapped them by removing the tickets. Why? Because the NAACP bitched up a storm. These were poor mis-understood children.
Time has come for us to step up. Us, I mean law abiding citizens and no, I don’t mean grab the rifles and pitchforks. Two wrongs don’t make a right. No, I mean it’s time we citizens hold our elected leaders responsible and make, no, demand they take action and end this shit once and for all. I don’t care if they have to stuff 10 to a cell, but if they are doing this type of crap in our streets, then lock them up.
Aw, but our City Leaders are too damn busy balancing the budget, raising our taxes, making up new fees, paying developers for hotels so Peoria can join the cliché and have walkways to the Civic Center. They do this by laying off cops, fireman, and city street workers.
If we were smart, we would band together, rent a real nice bus from Peoria Charter coach, put some Rap videos on the tvs on the bus, pull up to Thrush and Sheridan and load these poor mis directed youth onto them and drive them deep into the 5th District and let them out near Picture Ridge. Watch how fast this is taken care of then.
The Peoria Journal Star tried to downplay the attacks by Mahogany Mobs back in June, publishing stories that tried to claim the racial aspects of the Mahogany Mob were exaggerated. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice...
SBPDL sent a "tweet" to Soledad O'Brien, one of the primary people behind CNN's "Black in America" (and "Hispanic in America") series. We asked her why there was no "White in America" series, considering that whites the increasing levels of violence against the dwindling white population in America.PEORIA —After allegations of a racist mob intimidating residents in Central Peoria captured nationwide attention over the weekend, police and city officials tried to quell residents’ concerns Monday.
The attention stemmed from a group of about 50 young people who walked down Thrush Avenue toward Sheridan Road just before 11 p.m. Friday. Paul Wilkinson, a Sheridan resident, said some in the group were yelling, “We’re gonna kill all the white people.”
City officials downplayed the racial angle Monday at a news conference at City Hall. Of the 20 houses police stopped at to speak with residents, only one resident reported the group used racial slurs, said City Manager Patrick Urich.
She responded with this:
@stfblckpledntlk good question. Though I don't believe white people are hated. And they're hardly dwindling.
Soledad O'Brien, you are a good journalist and you need to go to Peoria and find out what is going on. Huge Mahogany Mobs - like the ones in Milwaukee, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and other cities - are terrorizing and targeting white people in Peoria.
Again.
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A close friend of mine (I'm American) was driving in Johannesburg, SA with a white SA National one night and actually stopped at the stop sign! His SA Passenger immediately shouted at him to accelerate and continue driving. If drivers want to live they always keep the cars moving so nobody (Negros) will jump out and attack.
Soledad O'Brien is your typical half-breed in the Halle Barry/Barack Obama variety: fathered by a black, yet raised and cared for by the white side of the family who repays the favor by hating on whitey. of course, how do we blame her? she knows the best way to make a buck in journalism (politics, media, hollywood) is just such approach. anything different is a career killer..
What's a CNN? I quit watching them years ago because Ted Turner is a sucky, smug,hypocrite with a big mouth and because his network is a liberal, gay, black, abortionist network. And a Soledad O'brien sounds like a mexican/irish wrestling hold.
Don't expect Soledad "Call me any ethnicity but white" Obrian to ever consider hosting anything but minority pity parties. I've long given up on any kind of mainstream media acknowledging the reality of black crime. It will never happen. Not Fox News, not CNN, not CBS, NBC, newspapers, none of them are willing to breach that which must never be mentioned such as black poverty being self inflicted or the reality of low black IQ being the leading cause of failure when in comparison to whites and asians.
Time has come for us to step up. Us, I mean law abiding citizens and no, I don’t mean grab the rifles and pitchforks. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Why would it be a "wrong" to defend yourself?
He says he wants to "step up" but then what he really means is passing the buck to the politicians. Unless he is willing to put himself on the line, nothing's going to change.
No, I mean it’s time we citizens hold our elected leaders responsible and make, no, demand they take action and end this shit once and for all.
When is that gonna happen? Elected officials being held responsible? It may not occur to the correspondent that elected officials would rather placate race hustlers like the NAACP, or get good coverage on CNN by not cracking down on the "youths." Or perhaps that elected officials -- as well as unelected officials such as the police chief -- see the "youths" as muscle to be played off against the middle class (and I use that the term "middle" broadly).
In "Gang Leader for a Day," Sudhir Vanketesh postulates that the Chicago Democratic machine maintains the gangs as a means to mobilize underclass votes and to to beat down political opponents. It's the old elite game of playing the underclass off against the middle.
But then again, what is the middle class doing watching media such as CNN which is propaganda against themselves? Until the American middle starts to think in terms of its own interests -- indeed, starts to think instead of letting TV and elected officials tell them what is so -- they are never going to liberate themselves.
James Buchanan was on The Political Cesspool radio show with James Edwards over the weekend. Whites should read TPC online and click on the links provided there. Buchanan and Edwards are called everything in the book for speaking the truth. If it were some black commentator with say Alsharpton speaking the boilerplate racist shit like always, nothing would have been said.
Whites must stop caring what the racist coloreds and DWLs are spewing out of their racist's mouths. We must stand up for ourselves. If Paul Kersey or anyone else thinks CNN, or any of the other alphabet TV channels are going to stand up for whites, you are dreaming. We must stop caring what the DWLs like Tim Wise or half white Soledads are saying about us and we must meet their lies and name calling with sticks, rocks, and the truth. We must fight back at every turn. Does anyone really believe that the DWLs and the blacks, Hispanics, and other coloreds are going to love us? Forget about it and fight back. It is do or die time.
Powerful stuff and powerful comments so far. I've added you to my Twitter @ObscureStreamMedia where I too tend to post articles that the MSM just won't cover, including pieces from this site and similar. I think I've gotten a few dozen people to wake up. It's like I've said before, it's one thing to post on websites like this that already know the problem, but we really need to start BRANCHING OUT and reaching people who don't know, who aren't aware or who might have some notions of a problem but sit on the fence waiting to jump into whatever they perceive to be the safer camp.
I've noticed more and more Whites are starting to notice trouble brewing. I've listened to callers on radio shows and watched hundreds of videos and read thousands of articles that all point to the same thing.
Whites starting to notice? Well its no longer what the media dubs "fringe elements" or "radical right-wing groups" but are rather normal, everyday Americans (and Brits, Australians, Germans, Dutch, Norwegians, Frenchmen etc.) who are getting the vibe.
We fear for ourselves, our homes and property, and especially for our families. The black undertow respects none of those, they don't even respect their own.
She(O'Brien) can't into TFR.
This article is exactly why the all the major newspapers and even the networks are losing money and viewership. We don't need them anymore; they're inconsequential and it's becoming ever so obvious.
We have the internet now, and we're using it to spread the truth.
Screw them all.
Let the media machine carry all the brain-dead lemmings right over the PC cliff.
In the mean time, Paul, keep writing and hammering on the anvil of truth.
White in Georgia:
White neighborhood in Macon, Ga., (majority negro town, ruined by Integration and Diversity over-breeding and generous social services), forced to cancel Trick-or-Treat because the N'ro Diversity won't leave them alone to enjoy their White neighbors in peace.
http://www.macon.com/2011/10/25/1758323/trick-or-treat-out-for-some-on.html
"Trick-or-treat out for some on Ridge Avenue"
Notice the MSM slimy trick of using "for some". That means, "We suspect a vile injustice against people of color, but before we escalate our anti-White rhetoric, we'll wait and see if the local Civil Rights leaders pick up on our 'for some' cue and start protesting the ugly rise of racism. Then we can just report what they say, and we won't have to say if for them, which we will if they don't speak up first. Discrimination in any form won't be tolerated by an enlightened and progressive community that strives to welcome ALL its citizens into our collective live."
Negroes raid Whitey's Halloween, and instead of "Embracing Diversity and Inclusion by Celebrating Diversity and Welcoming Differences," the Whites succumb to Race Reality and call off their own neighborhood tradition out of fear, i.e. reasoned and just prejudice.
"Prejudice renders a man's virtue his habit, not a series of unconnected acts. Through just prejudice, a man's duty becomes a part of his nature." Edmund Burke
Newspaper calls the event "popular," which means
"swarming with blacks," a term they never will used for fear of "stoking racial tensions".
How is allowing the Whiteys to cancel the candy give-a-way to the slum blacks not "stoking racial tensions"? already We predict the "black back lash" against Ridge Ave. Whites. They are not secluded away from blacks. Plenty of black "communities" within a 1-5 minute drive from Ridge Ave. Ingleside shopping district is 1 min. away, and has suffered its share of black crime, given that the black "communities" are within a 20 second drive away. The gas station on Ingleside is always full of pimped out late model muscle cars. Danger, danger, danger.
Anyway, good for the Ride Ave. Whiteys. Exposing their homes to the Black Invasion is an injustice that should never be tolerated. They should have shut it down after the first year that the Diversities made everyone miserable.
I remember hearing within the last year that a White father's two White daughters didn't want to go back to Ridge Ave. Halloween because they "felt uncomfortable."
Whenever you open your door to black trick or treaters, they are getting a good look straight into your own White home. You will be robbed, raped, and murdered.
Most of the daily gun violence in Macon is between N'ro Diversity gangs, but it won't stay that way for long. They hate Whitey, and they know that prison is just a step toward Civil Rights Icon status.
"One of the boys involved in the attack also pointed a handgun in the direction of a passenger in the car, but didn't make any threats or attempt to open the door."
How much in the tank for the negroids does the media have to be when reporters minimize and are making up excuses for a faceless, unknown negroid mob?
Pointing a weapon at a person is a threat, but this reporter is so twisted by Political Correctness that the fact that these people were not shot or yanked from their cars is an excuse to minimize the story. My God! The rules of engagement do not say we must not fire until fired upon. Any thinking White would have dropped this "boy" in a second. No mention is made that high school "children" are not permitted to possess handguns, let alone carry them. It is treated like; "Ho hum, look a negroid is pointing a gun at me after he got out of school. I wonder what the weather will be like tomorrow."
Had the White dropped the "boy", you would have heard a full chorus of "he was an Athlete!" or "My Baby!" or "He didn't do nuffings" or "Racist Whites be shooting black children for no reason" or "He was just turning his life around".
When negroids point guns at you, SHOOT FIRST!
More White in Georgia.
Very Whitey UGA President Michael Adams, perpetually grieving over "lack of Diversity," signs off on blatant anti-White "Embracing Diversity and Inclusion" plan that institutionalized discrimination against White job applicants in favor of blacks.
http://uga.edu/diversity/pdf/UGA_Diversity_Plan.pdf
What department head can withstand the new Systems of Accountability?
How do you dismantle racism, eradicate systemic racim, overturn institutional and structural racism at UGA? Define desirable job applicants as anything but White men, and eventually, you will do away with White men and the Diversities will have their hands on the entire multimillion dollar budget and endowments of UGA.
This is systemic theft, and Whiteys are complicit in the crime.
God, it really is hard to care about the future when it will be so obviously disgusting and ugly.
The White Man's unending tolerance for getting bent over and reamed every way imaginable is the marvel of Christendom.
"These amiable children of cannibals give us hideous slums and eternal apprehension for the future." Donald Davidson
http://uga.edu/diversity/pdf/UGA_Diversity_Plan.pdf
"Let the media machine carry all the brain-dead lemmings right over the PC cliff."
Unfortunately, we will be pushed off the cliff as well.
"My God! The rules of engagement do not say we must not fire until fired upon...."
"Any thinking White would have dropped this "boy" in a second. No mention is made that high school "children" are not permitted to possess handguns, let alone carry them. It is treated like; "Ho hum, look a negroid is pointing a gun at me after he got out of school. I wonder what the weather will be like tomorrow."
10mmAuto,
EXACTLY!!! But if one negro in the crowd had been shot at or threatened it would have been a hate crime. Perfectly normal for them to point weapons at unarmed citizens.
Holy crap! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Someone should ask Soledad about doing a CNN special on the Brittney Wattts murder. After all, it took place in Midtown Atlanta, the home of CNN.
Even if they don't cover it, chances are she came to your site and looked around and it opened her eyes, perhaps others to something they refused to see. Every little bit helps!
Keep spreading the word!
Taking the controls of segregation away from these subhuman primates allowed them to revert to their natural, dangerous and totally worthless state. Cut off ALL aid, let them starve. I've had my bellyfull of these brutish congoids.
One thing whites must do is when blacks point guns in our direction, we leave as many of them as we can with their faces shot off on the street. Pointing a gun at someone is all the pretext needed for the legal use of absolutely, lethal force when someone is where he or she has every right to be.
White in Georgia:
The worst of our breed gives more ammo to the worst of our enemies.
Whitey who is a "birther" pulls a near James Earl Ray stunt. Now, look for "birther" to be associated in MSM with right wing gun violence. Having legitimate questions about where N'Ob-mau-mau was born will be officially declared "dangerous and bigoted hate speech that is the fist step toward more gun violence and must be stopped as soon as it raises its ugly head".
We are our worst enemies.
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/georgia-man-convicted-in-1209536.html
Brittney Watts's name isn't mentioned in Midtown any more.
White are too scared that focusing on this "unfortunate and isolated incident which had nothing to do with race" might unfairly stigmatize African Americans and stoke racial tensions and interfere with the re election of Obama.
Whites in Midtown are all Obama voters. Brittney may have felt at home here, until the reality of Obama shot her dead in a parking garage.
Lol I can't believe she responded to you
Things such as we need to kill alll (sic) the white people around here.
They haven't thought this through. For example, who will fix them up when they shoot and stab each other? Or pay the taxes to fill up those EBT cards? Unfortunately, thinking is not a strong suit of Blacks. I guess this is in large part due to the fact they have low IQs. Or so I've heard.
I can only repeat: South Africa had the right idea.
What's a CNN?
Good question. Oftentimes it appears to be a caricature of political correctness. I think its content is provided by The Onion.
Bathe in the radiant glow of diversity. Feel the soothing warmth of inclusion.
Now get yourself over to the gun store, choose the largest caliber hand gun you're comfortable with, and take full advantage of your state's concealed carry laws.
Maybe we should start an Occupy MLK Blvd. movement.
Flash mob attacks:
You can purchase a small 720 video camera for about $50 and mount it in your vehicle. When you travel through black neighborhoods, turn it on. If your vehicle is assaulted you may capture the mugs of the attackers. Keep the camera out of sight, if possible, lest it be stolen.
Taken from the talk section of our CNN heroine's wikipedia page.
Soledad Obrien, is not African decent, she is indeed without identity neither being from our bloodlines nor strictly from theirs (Austrian) yet she wishes to be. we must understand the danger here, she wishes so she feels she is. This gives her no license to comment on nor poke her nose into our business, We would like her to fully and completely disown her supposed shady claim of being African American or decent in any way, and to let go of any journalistic lapel felt obligation to comment or mention anything about our community.
To my knowledge none of 'Us' have neither invited nor requested nor appreciate her tainted contributions towards our communities.
We as African decendents have a great and mighty heritage which if her mother wanted to preserve would have married into this culture and closed the gap and question of ambiguity of her nationality. But instead the half breed desired to be even more among the strange people of Austria who hurt our fathers while in Africa. Her mother was a sellout and her sad attempts to straddle the fence is scene and taints all of her perspectives which should be at the center of our protest. some how we must reach the one who controls what she speaks on and have them get the message that she is offending all respectable African, and African Americans who hold fast to our heritage.
Finally, she gives a number that is supposed to represent the number of mixed bloods and melados as being 7million yet the United states does not even diliniate that type of American in its sensus tracking.
Also she indicates that wite male americans should be choices for African American women and makes no mention that perhaps if their is a shortage that Africans would be the best candidates for marraige, when she doens't even know that African American Men never marry black women who have been dating outside of our culture; nor that they are scene as comforting our enemies who mock and hurt us who inherited the wealth from their parents who ripped off our parents and who make no apology to keep the money but ignore the debt owed to our parents.
some one reading this should contact CNN and have her stifled from discussing our affairs and stick to Austrian needs. leave us alone we are able to handle our own problems they are ours for crying out loud not yours, Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Naji
Doesn't one of this sites trolls say that there is a one drop rule which makes Kim Kardashian black even though she has no black ancestry?
Besides if she is acceptable enough for a respectable organization like the NAACP (2007 President's Prize winner) shouldn't that be good enough?
You can purchase a small 720 video camera for about $50 and mount it in your vehicle. When you travel through black neighborhoods, turn it on. If your vehicle is assaulted you may capture the mugs of the attackers. Keep the camera out of sight, if possible, lest it be stolen.
Or,if-all the gods forbid-you find yourself in the middle of one of these pack assaults and manage to come through it unscathed,head on over to World Star Hip Hop and look at the recently uploaded videos.
There's probably an even chance your attackers filmed themselves engaging in their vibrant behavior. And had to show the world just how real they're keeping it.
To those mainstream reporters who might read this,here's a question for you:
If I,as old,feeble,and unpigmented as I am,were to point a firearm at you,while you were engaged in lawful actions while on a public right of way,would you consider that to be a threatening action on my part???
Please- There has to be a reporter from one of the official organs reading this,and you can answer anonymously. Hell,go down to the library,and answer anonymously from there-you can lie to your boss and tell him or her you need to look up something for a feature you're writing.
We wouldn't want to endanger that direct deposit you get for lying in our faces every week,so no one is going to ask you to do anything principled. But an answer would be illuminating.
The problem with the People's Republic of Illinois is that we have FELONY carry for concealed weapons. All gun control in here directly traceable to the cosmopolitan's propensity to promote and uphold ALL g.c. laws through their news media, politicians and judiciary. The Democratic Party's criminal base in Chicago is extremely powerful. Rep. Danny Davis (D-Chicago) years ago said that there were 600,000 FELONS in IL. They are all voting for gun control Democrats so that non-Blacks can be attacked with impunity.
The only way to defeat this madness is to deny FELONS voting power through a new IL Constitution.
Fat Chance that will happen.
Whites are only going to face extermination and annihilation, because of the social dynamics. Whites alone do not, and cannot claim a racial identity, "vote White," and prefer Whiteness over everything else. Asians, Mexicans, and Blacks do not have this problem. Only Whites.
WHY?
IMHO, the usual explanations ("It's the Jews you idiot, what was the question," the Frankfurt School, etc) fail -- you see this in Germany (no Jews there folks!) and in Norway (none there either) and in the Catholic Church (no Jews, and no cultural commies either).
Rather, it is deeply embedded sexual marketplace dynamics. White women view those guys espousing a White identity, racial interests, and the like as 'losers' akin to being fat, bald, broke, short, and shy. It is the reverse of say, Peacock plumage (implying excess biological resources and attractiveness) -- espousing an anti-White platform, refusing a White identity, and group politics signals high resources, dominance, etc.
O'Brien being half-White and a woman, would view the extermination of Whites in America as ... a good start. Deserved for past racial sins of slavery and racism. If she saw with her own eyes Whites being beaten ala Reginald Denny she'd endorse it. Figuring they had it coming. This attitude is deeply held by nearly all White professional women.
"I watched the national network and cable news channels and viewed their web sites. I am pleased to announce there has been no racial violence at all this year. It is so reassuring to live in a nation that has finally come to terms with it's evil racist past, made amends with the down-trodden negro, and has achieved racial peace and harmony."
- John Q Public
Some of you know me and my stance on this site, however it would be tactless to try to provide an opposite perspective on such behavior right now. Ill list a few thoughts/questions on this.
1- Under no circumstance should these acts ever occur and there is no excuse for this type of behavior.
2-Why do you think these Black flash mob events are occurring at all?
3- Is there substantiated evidence that such activity is on the rise.
Considering the very nature of crime and the tone of this article I personally feel as a black Man that the lack of media coverage on this isssue is only going to make it worse. Sites like worldstarr hiphop that glorify this foolishness never show the arrests that come afterward. Lower class kids with poor guidance (black and white) look at that site every day and aspire to become famous from it
Those who recognize me know i am not an advocate for the slanted journalism on this site, but there is no reason why Worldstarr should be a more reliable news source for stuff like this than CNN. Sadly, the truth is that this just isnt very newsworthy in the tenor of todays society, and i dont know what to do about that. Having a culture where Black Americans are held to a fair standard about racial issues (sensible ones) would only make the situation better for everyone overall. This is why I maintain that the real problem here is not black genetics, but oppressive elements of the white power structure that pit blacks and whites against each other. Honestly how many blacks control the media. Even BET is owned by white people and Worldstar hip hop is rumored as well.
Something you all may want to think about if you want to do more than complain and shake your head at this type of behavior is launch an attack against Worldstar, i for one would love to see it die.
Dat cracker be ray-sus gainst rifles and pitchfo'ks! Ma rifle is a gut boy. he never did nuffin! cracka ass honkies always be hatin' on ma rifle 'cause its parkerized black.
"The only way to defeat this madness is to deny FELONS voting power through a new IL Constitution."
Too late. When obeying the law becomes immoral it is your duty to disobey. CC your weapon. IF you need to use it, use it and flee like a negro. The cops won't investigate- their job is to raise revenue only.
If a cop hassles you about it, use it on him too. Some of you pussies sound just like I imagine the jews in germany did before they were marched to a box car. "Oy vey, we can't jump the wall of the ghetto to flee. That would be illegal! Just sit tight my little gefilte fish and I'll draft a writ of our rights to the nice gentleman with the deathshead pin."
You are marked for death you f*cking idiots! Wake up! The state is as much as the problem.
Residents are very shaken, both black and white alike.
Oh yeah, I bet the blacks are just quaking in their taxpayer-funded Reeboks.
In talking to the police officer, they are short staffed.
Funny how these perpetually-understaffed police forces always have the manpower to extort money from the public in the form of citations and conduct home invasions (which often result in dead citizens) on dubious drug warrants.
Us, I mean law abiding citizens and no, I don’t mean grab the rifles and pitchforks.
I can't express just how tired I am of feckless half-measures. Californian is correct. This fool thinks he still lives in a civilized country.
Soledad Obrien, is not African decent, she is indeed without identity neither being from our bloodlines nor strictly from theirs (Austrian) yet she wishes to be.
Behold, the halfbreed, shut down by the very people she respects the most and would beg acceptance from. It was always thus.
It's time to step outside the box a little, and ask ourselves why there seems to be increasing coordinated attacks of feral blacks against whites, or more specifically, why so much and why now? Although I am not normally someone who latches onto conspiracy theories, there at least needs to be some critical analysis done to see if there is any underlying new factor that ties all this together. Just off the top of my head, I'd say that "community organizers" have demonstrated their ability in the past to effect a concerted coordinated effort, such as the Community Reinvestment Act that bullied local banks into offering mortgages to totally unqualified blacks. The same kind of thing may be happening again, only this time it is for the purpose of provoking elements of the white community into retaliating. If enough feral blacks do enough damage on a regular basis, then someone somewhere is bound to escalate. That would be the ideal setup for the MSM to pounce and declare that, lo and behold, just before the election Amerika is now even more racist than before!!!
One way or another, my gut-level feeling is telling me that this is all a monumental setup, folks. My quick & dirty recommendation is that some type of purposeful, planned, intelligent retaliation is indeed necessary and overdue, but it should be postponed until after the damn 2012 election. We don't need any more trumped-up excuses than we already have that might get the vile Obamamessiah re-elected.
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
"This is why I maintain that the real problem here is not black genetics, but oppressive elements of the white power structure"
Translation:
It's whitey's fault.
Shocking.
"Dat cracker be ray-sus gainst rifles and pitchfo'ks! Ma rifle is a gut boy. he never did nuffin! cracka ass honkies always be hatin' on ma rifle 'cause its parkerized black."
These types of posts are excruciatingly unoriginal and unfunny.
Until Freeman answers The Question, he should be ignored.
I doubt you missed it, but I'll pose it again:
Blacks commit crime well beyond their representation in the population. Even beyond their representation among the poor. In fact, they are over-represented in crime at all economic levels.
Blacks are net tax beneficiaries; they pay less in taxes than the value of services received.
Crime (mostly black) has led to urban sprawl, and the associated traffic, wasted time, and pollution.
Black acedemic performance lags - even when controlling for socioeconomic status. Countless billions have been thrown away attempting to fix this. The result has been widespread cheating scandals.
I could go on forever.
What do blacks contribute to balance this out? Hoa could you convince me that the US wouldn't be better off if every black packed up and left tomorrow?
The black on white/asian violence in St. Louis is getting out of control:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/282863/3/Family-of-Knockout-Game-victim-wants-sickening-game-to-end
anon 6:03: "These types of posts are excruciatingly unoriginal and unfunny."
Then ignore them instead of griping about them in every thread they appear.
if every black adult was offered $1,000,000, on condition that they would be required to relinquish citizenship, and leave the country immediately, how many would take up the offer??...would it be money well spent?....would it work out cheaper in the long run?.....how long would the money last them?....which African country would be the most enthusiastic in ofering them a new home(so that they could rip them off)?
"Then ignore them instead of griping about them in every thread they appear."
I enjoy griping.
D. Freeman said...:
2-Why do you think these Black flash mob events are occurring at all?
Anonymous said...:
It's time to step outside the box a little, and ask ourselves why there seems to be increasing coordinated attacks of feral blacks against whites, or more specifically, why so much and why now?
Some theories:
* We have had half a century of anti-white agitprop from the media, academia, and leftwing race activists. Whites are stigmatized as "oppressors" and the actions of blacks in attacking them can be interpreted as resistance to oppression.
* The US government has systemically denied white people equal protection under the law via affirmative action, one sided "hate crime" legislation, refusal to investigate Black Panther voter intimidation, etc. If the government is going to treat white people as second class citizens, then expect white people to be seen as easy prey.
* The failure of blacks to compete academically or in business creation, thereby keeping them at the bottom of the economic ladder. We can blame this on whatever (lower median IQ, the usual hand wringing over bad schools, etc.), but the people at the bottom resent the people who are higher up on the feeding chain.
* The absence of fathers in black families (illegitimacy rates = 70+%). Women can not control young men, nor provide the proverbial role models. All this is encouraged by the welfare state, which promotes irresponsibility.
* The lack of organizations dedicated to defending white people, legally or politically--not to mention physically. i.e., there are no equivalents of the NAACP or MALDEF for white people. Similarly, the vast majority of gang members -- who do provide neighborhood defense of a sort -- are "people of color." To put it crudely, if one side has an army and the other does not, who do you think is going to come out on top?
* We can see similar trends around the globe. Thus, we have white farmers being driven out of black majority rule Zimbabwe, ANC attacks on whites in the rainbow nation of South Africa ("Kill the Boer, kill the farmer"), the recent London riots, and by extrapolation, the very high crime rates by "people of color" against whites in Scandinavia.
* And last but not least: the liberal agitprop machine which justifies black-on-white violence as the result of poverty, racism, lack of education, ad nauseam.
Add it all up.
Freeman, this is the first thing that you've said that I can somewhat agree with. "but oppressive elements of the white power structure that pit blacks and whites against each other"
However, even though there are 'forces' at work that promote racial antagonisms, how does this elliminate the actions of those black mobsters, killing, raping, pillaging, etc.
You see, there's this quaint little idea of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, that many blacks don't seem to understand?
They always want to blame inherent black pathology on the MAN (The man is always white, BTW.) Blacks annoy the hell out me because they never accept any of their own actions as product of their own natures.
You sir, are absolutely no different! You want to blame it all on the media, the NWO, the capitalist society, Wall Str., "White power structure", etc.
Don't you see that we whites are as affected by these same 'market forces' as you blacks are.
Do you really think that all we whites are well-heeled and pulling the levers of oppression......do you really think that everyone coming on here wants to see blacks fail? Maybe some do?
Quit blaming black problems on nefarious forces, cut the crap, and accept that basic human nature has a lot to do with it. Many blacks that I've worked with were great workers and many were just full of pissy attitude, because they didn't like working for the 'man'.
Simple as that.
"Seriously though, trick or treating will probably be canceled in Peoria, because police cannot guarantee the safety of white kids in that community"
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life!
if every black adult was offered $1,000,000, on condition that they would be required to relinquish citizenship, and leave the country immediately, how many would take up the offer??
Not enough,but we have to start somewhere
..would it be money well spent?....would it work out cheaper in the long run?
It would absolutely be money well spent. $30k a year is the figure that gets thrown around for keeping one individual incarcerated for one year. I have no idea how accurate that is,but using it as a baseline,it means that if a felon with a 35 year,no-parole sentence had hypothetically taken this hypothetical offer before his crime was committed,we'd break even. That,mind you,is for one felony,and that assumes that he or she got caught,prosecuted,convicted,and all that other good stuff. It does not take into account the other crimes that this hypothetical individual almost certainly committed,and for which no sentence was ever dealt.
It also doesn't take into account things like court costs,and it doesn't even begin to address the issue of how much damage this individual has already done,in terms of property damage and-heartbreakingly-medical costs that his victims were stuck with covering themselves.
And I haven't even mentioned welfare costs,but the mind literally boggles at how much sheer money ( your money,and my money,at that ) gets spent on the multitude of programs like Section 8,Medicaid for indigent hoodlums that got themselves ventilated,AFDC,SSI,and on and on and on. All of which not only involve direct transfer payments,but also have to be administered by someone,and all of those someones need to be paid. Which is also money that comes from you,from me,and from everyone else that gets hit with taxes.
....how long would the money last them?....
Not my problem. Once that cash is in their hands in their new home,how they dispose of it is their business,not mine. Although if there's a rim dealership in Monrovia,I might be persuaded to invest a modest sum.
which African country would be the most enthusiastic in offering them a new home(so that they could rip them off)?
My guess would be Liberia,since it was set up for exactly that purpose,but I heard that Ghana made an offer of citizenship as well. However,that really isn't my problem either. I would wish them the very best of luck,as long as that luck falls upon them someplace besides here.
Freeman,
"This is why I maintain that the real problem here is not black genetics, but oppressive elements of the white power structure that pit blacks and whites against each other."
Drop the "white" preceding the "power structure". Western elites don't give a rat's ass about race, but a lot about class. Their skins may be white, but their hearts belong to nothing but wealth and power. Apart from that, you do indeed make a good point. It is in the interest of the elite to distract the less wealthy and powerful with something. Divide and conquer. Race is a very good option. As long as whites and blacks are at each others throats, they won't care about the long-lasting stagnation of real wages, the increasing precariousness of middle class, or the ever greater share of wealth going to elite so much.
I don't think the current model of "dump money on blacks and blame the whitey" started out as any cynical ploy. However, it's been clear for a long time that it's just not working - apart from as a way of keeping the racial animosity on a slow boil, enough to distract lots of people, but not enough to destabilize the country. If the blacks are miserable and whites are suffering from black predation, then so what? It's not like the real people, the elite, has any problems.
I think there are other important reasons than this cynical power play to USA having maintained this farce for so long, but they aren't really any better. As it is, the money is running out. The propped-up legitimacy of the "BRA" has mostly eroded. Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold. One may hope for the best, but I'm afraid it'll be closer to the worst. Lots of people may yet pay the ultimate price, and as the whites are in the end far more powerful, it's easy to guess who will suffer the most. I mean seriously, a black gang is a bunch of thugs with guns. White gangs are organizations like these:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2022636,00.html
Silent Running,
"Oh yeah, I bet the blacks are just quaking in their taxpayer-funded Reeboks."
I bet they are, and if they're not, they probably should be. In all likelihood those are middle class blacks. Acting white. Not authentically black. Certainly not brothas and sistas. Sure, they'll probably get off somewhat easier since their skin is black, but that's a small consolation, and moreover, they can always run into some real black who hates traitors more than the enemy.
I'm surprised that a driver of a surrounded car hasn't run down the mob to escape. Why do you think no one has done that yet?
(The following is an expansion of a re-post, since I think it is germane to this discussion...)
Blacks are increasingly violent due to mindless anger, to which they are already prone. The leftist oligarchy in charge of the USSA has endlessly told blacks that they are just as good as whites in their inherent abilities to perform in any aspect of society. In truth, blacks are statistically less intelligent with higher impulsivity. As they go through life they see themselves unable to perform according to what remains of a meritocracy in this society. But since the left assures blacks that this is not their fault, that instead it is all due to some fantasy called white privilege, then blacks increasingly become frustrated and ever more angry about their failings. They ultimately conclude that they are being duped and cheated, and that everything in "white" society is set up to trick the black man. Anger and hostility grows unabated, erupting in the kind of feral mindless violence we are now seeing. Note that all this has markedly increased with the advent of the Obamamessiah coming into office, further raising black expectations, thereby only setting them up to fall harder when reality inevitably intrudes.
As but one example, I note the tired and inevitable blame-whitey memes posted by supposedly "intelligent" blacks here on this post. Ultimately, no black can be trusted, because the cognitive dissonance of not being able to excel while always being told that they are able to, makes any and every black suspect, even the so-called good ones. They can explode without warning, as witness what happened in Cupertino CA recently with one Shareef Allman.
There are only two solutions to all this:
1) Affirmative action must be razed to the ground and trumped by the traditional higher right of free association, including bringing back Jim Crow laws.
2) Kill the monstrous inhuman ideology called progressivism.
Netzach -
"Apart from that, you do indeed make a good point. It is in the interest of the elite to distract the less wealthy and powerful with something. Divide and conquer. Race is a very good option. As long as whites and blacks are at each others throats, they won't care about the long-lasting stagnation of real wages, the increasing precariousness of middle class, or the ever greater share of wealth going to elite so much."
This is completely incorrect. Blacks and whites are not at each other's throats. Blacks are at white people's throats. Blacks are attacking whites, completely unprovoked.
Even if what you say is true, how does that solve the boots-on-the-ground black problem?
"I'm surprised that a driver of a surrounded car hasn't run down the mob to escape. Why do you think no one has done that yet?"
1. Most whites and other non blacks still have a modicum of respect for the sanctity of human life.
2. Most whites fear the wrath of the (in)justice system more than death or dismemberment at the hands of blacks.
But this is changing...
Kill the monstrous inhuman ideology called progressivism.
Agreed.
Destroy the ideology and the multicult will fall apart. Ultimately, ideology drives the train.
To our international viewers who have not experienced the "chimpout"; I suggest going to YOUTUBE.com and in the search bar type the word "chimpout". What you will see there is the current conditions here in the USA with these primates showing their true colors. It is disgusting, but true.
SBPDL, let's declare 2012 as the year we took our cities back from these fucking savages...dead or alive. I for one am prepared to defend my home and my nation from these invaders..yes invaders...you blacks who cannot abide by the law and think you are "entitled" are invading my home, my privacy, my country and I will use ANY and EVERY means to remove you.
Agreed!!
map,
"This is completely incorrect. Blacks and whites are not at each other's throats. Blacks are at white people's throats. Blacks are attacking whites, completely unprovoked."
But don't you know that The Man invented AIDS to kill blacks and sends drugs into the hood? Heh. Seriously though, you're right. A lot of whites are seriously thinking about it, however, even if most don't frequent sites like this. Racial hatred doesn't need to reach the level of open violence to serve as a nice fat distraction.
"Even if what you say is true, how does that solve the boots-on-the-ground black problem?"
It's an analysis of the racial issue, and as such it won't solve any problems. It does disqualify some potential solutions though, first and foremost counting on government to do anything effective about black-on-white crime. Sure, they'll stomp on any big riots, and some elements (especially in local government) may actually take the issue seriously, but for the most part, they won't lift a finger.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
That is correct.
Three do.
“People should either be caressed or crushed. If you do them minor damage they will get their revenge; but if you cripple them there is nothing they can do. If you need to injure someone, do it in such a way that you do not have to fear their vengeance.”
― Niccolo Machiavelli ―
Netzah:
You seem determined to stake out the middle ground. Those who believe the truth is always in the middle are usually wrong. In this case, you incorrectly believe that some sort of nefarious plot is the primary cause of racial tension. You'll get no argument from me - or most of the regulars on this blog - that our controlling elites happily stoke racial tensions to foment chaos, create problems that must be solved by government central planning, and ultimately replace whites with more controllable blacks and browns.
They may not be controllable at the "micro" level (crime, order, stability) but they are extremely controllable at the "macro" level - they are so dependent on government, and so incapable of organization that they pose very little threat to the ruling class. But I digress.
The preponderance of the evidence indicates significant genetic differences among blacks and whites, resulting in rather extreme differences in societal structure, achievement, income, etc. This very natural disparity, combined with higher levels of impulsiveness and violence among blacks, will ALWAYS result in jealousy, conspiracy theories about conspiracies, and violent outbursts.
This is simply the natural result of two very different groups of people living amongst each other. The situation is likely being aggravated for political gain, but there is not need to artificially create it.
Anon at 4:21 PM on Oct 26: I don't doubt that some Whites who have been surrounded by a chimpout have actually throttled their way out. I also don't doubt that they kept their mouths shut, washed the car, and had any body damage fixed without informing the insurance company. What would you do? I'd bet it's pretty hard for the cops to solve a nighttime hit and run. I'd also bet that the cops know what really happens and many of them aren't too worried about finding the driver.
Naji: Doesn't one of this sites trolls say that there is a one drop rule which makes Kim Kardashian black even though she has no black ancestry?
Q: Guess who made the biggest use of that ultra-racist "one drop" rule?
Hint: His initials are BHO. (Pronounced "Be-Ho")
I refer you to my essay:
"One Drop of Liberal Blood"
(The Liberal Left Invokes a Discredited Racist Doctrine)
A: He sits in the Oval Office.
Whiskey: O'Brien being half-White and a woman, would view the extermination of Whites in America as ... a good start. Deserved for past racial sins of slavery and racism. If she saw with her own eyes Whites being beaten ala Reginald Denny she'd endorse it. Figuring they had it coming. This attitude is deeply held by nearly all White professional women.
Just out of curiosity, Whiskey, if these DWL White women hook up with some pseudo-alpha Black thug who beats the living crap out of them, how do they reconcile it?
Is it the Stockholm syndrome response of, "I had it coming" or just the soft racism that comes from lowered Liberal expectations; as in, "He couldn't help himself"?
Or do you maintain that such DWL White women simply play the apologist for BBB (Blacks Behaving Badly), but never, ever actually get physically involved with any of these cretins?
Enquiring minds want to know!
D. Freeman: This is why I maintain that the real problem here is not black genetics, but oppressive elements of the white power structure that pit blacks and whites against each other.
You are putting the cart before the horse.
There would be nothing for your "white power structure" ― AKA "The Man" or "The System" ― to pit against America's middle class Whites if Blacks did not already exhibit the violent and predatory characteristics that make them such an ideal candidate for the job.
There is no way possible for you to assert that the "white power structure" has instilled these traits in Blacks as, already existing and ample evidence points towards how Blacks manifest this sort of behavior wherever they go, not to mention on their own African turf.
You must first address why Blacks demonstrate a near-congenital predisposition for violence, rape and genocidal murder before attempting to attach such felonious horseplay to the cart of "The Man".
Put another way, please refrain from trying to tie White culture to consistently displayed Black criminality that manifests regardless of location or cultural backdrop.
Honestly how many blacks control the media. [?]
It isn't a matter of Blacks controlling the Media. Through coddling, pandering and totally dishonest under-reporting, the largely Leftist MainStream Media controls most public perception of Blacks and they use that manipulative ability to shield Blacks from the repercussions and retribution that they so richly deserve.
The disproportionate jailing of American Blacks is just the iceberg's tip that has managed to protrude beyond the surface of media camouflage. If anything, Blacks should absolutely hate the MSM for its downplaying and soft racism.
The exact opposite is true. Liberal media and politicians are awarded Black loyalty to a supremely toxic degree that penalizes actual Black success and rewards the most degenerate and depraved behavior by America's Black community.
I dare you to argue this.
Had a literal chimpout at work about late 2008, a black male actually started to beat his chest, bounce around dragging his knuckles and vocalize in a grunting/hooting manner when i posed to him the rebuttal to his assertion i somehow owed him anything in the way or reparations. I simply stepped back a good twenty feet to where one of the warehouse cameras pointed, waited for him to try and approach me and warned him. Under pain of sabre defense spray i would hose him down and leave him for the cops should he attack, that warning stopped him and he knew where the camera was. Not more than two days later he found some other place to work.
Pvt keeping an eye on things.
Van,
"You seem determined to stake out the middle ground. Those who believe the truth is always in the middle are usually wrong."
The truth is usually closer to middle than either of the extremes, and it is always good to understand both sides of the argument. I have no particular attachment to middle ground as such, though. Understand that what you're calling "middle ground" is pretty extreme as far as mainstream is concerned. I'm pretty sure I know how woman looks like when contemplating whether to spit on someone's face or not.
"In this case, you incorrectly believe that some sort of nefarious plot is the primary cause of racial tension. You'll get no argument from me - or most of the regulars on this blog - that our controlling elites happily stoke racial tensions to foment chaos, create problems that must be solved by government central planning, and ultimately replace whites with more controllable blacks and browns."
The primary cause of racial tension is that blacks are relatively poor and their relationship with police is rather antagonistic, while whites pay heavily in taxes to maintain pro-black programs, blacks are privileged by law and still they suffer from lots of black-on-white crime.
All I'm saying, the current policies are entirely unhelpful in regard to these causes, and they arguably aggravate them. This may not be primarily be due to some nefarious plotting by the elite (and I claim it didn't begin as such), but as the situation certainly benefits the elite, it most likely plays a significant part by now. So I'm not really sure if we significantly disagree here.
"The preponderance of the evidence indicates significant genetic differences among blacks and whites, resulting in rather extreme differences in societal structure, achievement, income, etc."
The preponderance of evidence certainly indicates some genetic differences between races regarding IQ and temperament, and the case for significant differences is plausible. However...
"This very natural disparity, combined with higher levels of impulsiveness and violence among blacks, will ALWAYS result in jealousy, conspiracy theories about conspiracies, and violent outbursts."
...some genetic differences combined with deeply rooted cultural differences NOT truly amenable to improvement by outside intervention, creates a situation where a race simply cannot be uplifted to the standards of another race which fits those standards genetically and culturally. So, whether blacks and whites are really a lot or a little different genetically is a moot point. What matters is that whites tried to make blacks differently coloured whites with all their strength, and failed.
Incidentally, I'm perfectly aware that the deeply held ideals of culture influence sexual selection a lot, and as those tend to be fairly stable over generations, they influence genetics as well. Environment, for its part, affects both genetics and culture. For additional fun, add the fact that homo sapiens sapiens interbred with other varieties of humans, like homo sapiens neanderthalis, but those varieties weren't same on all continents.
So, it's complex. Like any complex subject whose study has been starved of resources, we don't really KNOW the nuances. I say, drop the academic taboo on this subject. Put the full force of modern psychometrics and genetics upon it. If the bonsai liberals are so sure that all races are genetically equal, why should they be so afraid...?
Netzach:
It does seem that we generally agree. I had a different impression from your earlier posts.
I finally threw up one of the many semi finished blogs. It basically goes into the misuse of Race Realism to explain the type of behavior emblazoned on this site. Sadly it seems like Netzach has done much of it for me.
One thing that i have seen that is correct is the opinion that you cant turn Africans into Europeans. Genetic mumbo jumbo aside, what you all are still missing is that the nations efforts to "improve" black life are not what you think.
Things like Welfare, section 8 etc the "BRA" that you complain about are in place to keep the serving class of this country stable or else they revolt. Van and a few others have made statements about blacks being a "net negative" on the country completely ignoring that the country literally runs on the backs of its lower classes.
That is the essence of capitalism. If All blacks were to be removed then Mexicans or lower class whites would quickly take our place at the bottom of the totem pole (to an extent Mexicans already are taking our spot). This is why states like West Virginia and any state that has poor rural white areas still have comparable crime per capita despite not having "inferior genes."
Ill try to go further into these other things when i get the time, but i still stand by my point that sitting around sites like this pointing fingers at blacks is not going to fix anything for anyone. Your anger is being misdirected, your time is being wasted, and you are being duped.
I wish you all well and look forward to your comments.
These attacks are not confined to the US - the story below occurred in England. The KEY statement:
"The only description Mr Frederic was able to offer police is that he believes all the attackers were black."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054124/Face-father-left-unrecognisable-gang-robbers-stole-wedding-ring.html#ixzz1cHFjyatz
"This is why states like West Virginia and any state that has poor rural white areas still have comparable crime per capita despite not having "inferior genes." "
D. Freeman, Please provide your resources and methods for coming to this conclusion.
My own digging through crimes stats and plotting in an Excel spreadsheet shows that crime is directly proportional and heavily correlated to the %non-white population. This is using quite a few data points obtained from the site areaconnect.com.
Similarly, if you plot the % of a town/city's population that are college educated vs. crime rate per capita you see an inverse relationship.
Poor white areas do not have comparable per capita crime rates - not based on the data that I've seen.
"any state that has poor rural white areas still have comparable crime per capita despite not having 'inferior genes.'"
Blatantly false. Even after controlling for income, black crime rates are much higher.
In addition, it is quite possible that pockets of white poverty do, in fact, represent "inferior genes" - they may be primarily populated by the left tail of the distribution.
For someone with a master's in education and who is a candidate for a PhD, your understanding of statistics is pathetic.
You are cherry picking people. But thats my fault i should be very clear in my words with you guys.
I am not saying that white crime is comparable to black crime on any level, im saying that there is a direct relationship to poverty and crime regardless of the races involved. And poverty does not only mean a lack of money, but also a lack of community resources, poor education etc.
Another thing that i find crazy when considering the "outrage" of this site is the fact that the VAST majority of crimes committed by Black Americans are committed against other Black Americans. As i have stated before, general slave mentality would make committing crime against whites unthinkable.
This is why states like West Virginia and any state that has poor rural white areas still have comparable crime
This is an absolute lie. In terms of violent crime, West Virginia is considerably below average. It ranks 39th out of 51 jurisdictions:
http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html
As an aside, West Virginia has one of the highest rates of gun ownership and some of the least restrictive gun laws in the nation.
Evidently crime is not caused by poverty or easy availability guns.
Freeman:
"I am not saying that white crime is comparable to black crime on any level"
Actually, liar, that's exactly what you said:
"This is why states like West Virginia and any state that has poor rural white areas still have comparable crime per capita despite not having 'inferior genes.'"
The problem is you just don't know what you're talking about, you got called out for it, so now you're trying to back pedal.
"im saying that there is a direct relationship to poverty and crime regardless of the races involved."
That's true, but it is probably NOT true that poverty causes crime. It is likely true that genetic pre-dispositions cause both crime and poverty, and that the traits are related. This would be true for whites as well as blacks. The important point is that these traits are more common - and more severe - among blacks.
"Another thing that i find crazy when considering the "outrage" of this site is the fact that the VAST majority of crimes committed by Black Americans are committed against other Black Americans. As i have stated before, general slave mentality would make committing crime against whites unthinkable."
Its an issue of exposure. You can't attack someone who avoids you like the plague - as so many whites do to blacks. If exposure was equal, black on white assaults would go up.
D. Freeman: I am not saying that white crime is comparable to black crime on any level, im saying that there is a direct relationship to poverty and crime regardless of the races involved.
Please provide statistics with URL links for your assertion.
From what I am able to tell, Blacks of all classes still manage to incur greater rates of crime. Think OJ Simpson or Michael Vick. I hope that Van or Californian will let me know if this is incorrect.
And poverty does not only mean a lack of money, but also a lack of community resources, poor education etc.
At least mr_evergreen had the courage to admit that a lot of the educational "poverty" among Blacks is due to their typical refusal to act too White. How much other so-called "poverty" within the Black community is self-inflicted? Think Detroit or Atlanta.
Would you care to address that?
Another thing that i find crazy when considering the "outrage" of this site is the fact that the VAST majority of crimes committed by Black Americans are committed against other Black Americans.
Shouldn't that be a primary concern of Black Americans? Why does the Black community tolerate this sort of inborn criminality? Why do Blacks persist in maintaining their incredibly damaging "no snitch" policy? Do you dispute that this practice is one of the most deleterious of all with respect to Black on Black crime?
Or is it all Whitey's fault?
As i have stated before, general slave mentality would make committing crime against whites unthinkable.
But we're all past that slave era mentality now, aren't we? Or are we?
It seems that America having electing an at least partly Black president would point towards an overall fading of once-prevalent racism. Yet, the massive uptick in Black on White crime seems to indicate otherwise with respect to racism.
So which is it? Less racism or more racism? Floor wax or dessert topping?
If All blacks were to be removed then Mexicans or lower class whites would quickly take our place at the bottom of the totem pole (to an extent Mexicans already are taking our spot).
This isn't a contest. If all blacks and Mestizos were removed from the country, working class Caucasians would not magically become more violent to fill the void. The country would simply become less violent.
I am not saying that white crime is comparable to black crime on any level, im saying that there is a direct relationship to poverty and crime regardless of the races involved.
Calcutta has worse poverty than anything the average American can dream of, yet it is not awash in feral violence.
That argument has been addressed (and defeated) many times at this blog. Before you take that thought any further, you should take a look at some of the archives.
D. Freeman,
"Sadly it seems like Netzach has done much of it for me."
Sadly? I'm not your enemy. When I'm talking about blacks, whites, Moslems or whatever, it's a question of groups, not individuals. Here I'm dealing with you as an individual, and as such I'll judge you (as you'll hopefully judge me). You're obviously an 100+ IQ individual, and one willing to honestly debate people who at best are prejudiced against you. Set onto the Gauss Curve of black race, you're unfortunately placed somewhere near the right end, though.
On the other hand, set me into fight between you and some career criminal IQ75 white, and I'll be on your side. Whatever the reason, way more blacks are trash than whites, but I loathe trash whatever its colour is. What serves any race best is elimination of its trash.
...honestly I'd just slink away, since I'm neither professional nor natural at using my fists. Then again, during the only really racist incident that didn't involve me as a target, I did verbally attack the alcoholic caricature of a white who was publicly insulting a middle class black who had done nothing wrong (just spoke a language that the idiot didn't understand). And oh, I did use my "far right" credentials as a bludgeon and shield. It's not like that moron could claim to have done more for the nation than I, nor accuse me of being an PC idiot. I like to think that at least some people in that train carriage did some serious thinking after that.
"Genetic mumbo jumbo aside, what you all are still missing is that the nations efforts to "improve" black life are not what you think."
Races have lived in very different environments for tens of thousands years, and it seems likely that there has been interbreeding with different species of pre-modern humans as well. As I've said, this is a very complex subject that could and should fill the pages of entire scientific journals. Mumbo jumbo it it is not, I'm afraid. Three years ago I was sure it was. I still hope it is, for the most part anyway.
Anyway, those efforts? As I said, they started out as genuine projects, but eventually ended up as nothing but power-plays. As for poverty? White underclass isn't as big as black underclass, and brown underclass is somewhere in between. All of these have their own Gauss curves, so the worst of black underclass is worse than brown underclass, which is worse than white. Still, if anyone thinks that white underclass can't be bad... Well, just read some of the superb stuff written by this guy:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/6_1_oh_to_be.html
http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_1_oh_to_be.html
http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_3_oh_to_be.html
That's a white prison psychiatrist writing about the mostly white underclass of United Kingdom. That could also be someone writing about US ghettoes. I sent some of that guy's stuff to a man who teached for few years in US inner city schools, and he said those were almost eerily familiar. Culture is very powerful. Still, even in UK, where quite a few whites are just a bunch of niggers with white skin, much bigger part of blacks sink into the underclass than whites. Surely some of it is socio-economic, and some of it is cultural, but still, nothing contradicts the idea of some of it being genetic.
"Another thing that i find crazy when considering the "outrage" of this site is the fact that the VAST majority of crimes committed by Black Americans are committed against other Black Americans. As i have stated before, general slave mentality would make committing crime against whites unthinkable."
General slave mentality is long gone, and good riddance. Then again, what replaced it may be even worse to everyone, even blacks. As for the vast majority of black crime being black-on-black, you should be enraged by the lack of black outrage, not whites being provoked by mostly the black-on-white crime.
Van
Thats not "exactly what i said." Im not backpedaling im clarifying but you will her what you must.
Furthermore, if poverty were a genetic trait it would hardly occur within white culture. However, poverty has always been a close companion of capitalist societies even dating back to your grand Roman and greek empires. Unsurprisingly it has always been most intense in major urban areas.
Even during slave days where you can assume black crime was at a minimum, poverty still persisted. It has been said that those poor whites living conditions were worse than slave conditions, but much like now, misdirection allowed those poor whites and common farmers to believe that at least they were not slaves and ignore changing their current state of poverty. Freeing slaves and allowing them to compete fairly in the capitolist system was the best thing for them, but they were categorically against it. sound familiar?
In fact before emancipation and black migration north there was plenty of white crime in the country greatly related to poverty.
It is not simply a matter of exposure or "DWLs" would not be regularly moving into re-gentrified city areas all over the country. The slave mentality disallows the typical low end black to attack his master much like a trained dog. The violence you all are seeing (which agian despite its heinousness is greatly overblown) is what happens when poorly trained dogs go rogue.
Lastly, according to research that was provided by your peers, Whites lack genes like the "MAOA varaint" of whatever gene can be attributed to aggression in African people. Even if some whites had "lesser genes" as you put it, they would still lack that gene to explain it, yet in plenty of societies before and today manage to commit crimes of all types. Leaving the fact that it is not simply a genetic probability to define this action.
"The problem is you just don't know what you're talking about, you got called out for it, so now you're trying to back pedal."
Van, I really enjoy your posts; they're informative, annotated, and always tied up into a neat and concise package! But you may be wasting your time trying to argue with black pseudo-intellectuals like Freeman. I used to run across them all through college, grad school, and the first few years of professional life when you are still in contact with your liberal college friends or ex-girlfriends. I found that a lot of Afro-centrists (and feminists) will frame every argument so that it is impossible to debate with them. "No blacks can be racist because they don't have the power". They have never really needed to check primary sources because they are fed this political agenda through secondary racist rants by equally uninformed AA teachers. It's hard to make blacks like him or evergreen understand statistics, because they probably cannot, nor have they ever needed to.
In my line of work, we use quantitative models rather than loud debating to form our conclusions. In twenty years, I have never seen a black financial engineer nor even a black job applicant.
D. Freeman: In fact before emancipation and black migration north there was plenty of white crime in the country greatly related to poverty.
Whether you like it or not, there is an obligation to substantiate your assertions. To date, you have posited many patently false claims which tend to impact your credibility rather sharply.
I strongly urge you to start providing cites with URL links or identify what parts of your text are sheer speculation by using such qualfiers as "In my opinion" or "So far as I can see". Should you fail to do so, please understand if people no longer respond to your comments.
Zentach
When i said "Sadly" my point was that you stole my thunder a bit. I definitely see your statements as more in line for seeking progress as opposed to dominance. Truth has no color and neither does ugly or ignorance. If more whites adopted your stance then it wouldnt be so hard to promote these theories and find real world solutions to the problems they indicate.
I use the term "Genetic mumbo jumbo" to typify the fact that no one here is a geneticist and the careless usage of this relatively new information on this site is a bit sloppy and out of control. This is not to say that there is credit to these theories.
You havent said anything i really feel that i could argue even though you have said somethings i wish i could dispute. Except for the slave mentality thing, but more on that in a sec.
@Zenster-
1- here are some results from a 5 min google search supporting my statement
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/abstractdb/AbstractDBDetails.aspx?id=187864
http://economics.fundamentalfinance.com/povertycrime.php
http://mtbi.asu.edu/downloads/Document8.pdf
http://cprc.abrc.co.uk/pubfiles/61Justino.pdf
These are from varying perspectives but all recognize that there is a definite connection on several levels including, education, healthcare, job availbilty, population concentration etc. Its just common sense.
Furthermore, picking out OJ and Mike Vick as examples mars your argument by making you look silly. First off Vick is a product of poverty so he doesnt even fit into your argument. Secondly if i googled white collar crime i would get a long list of white perpetrators. We have already established that the Black crime rate is greatly disproportionate, there is really no need to beat that dead horse or hide behind it when discussing the reality of crime as a whole.
2- I live in Atlanta, there are several predominantly black and mixed neighborhoods that manage to churn out quality products in education. South Fulton, Northeast Dekalb, East Atlanta, and North Atlanta are all examples. No surprise, all of these areas are not high in poverty. Detroit is a better example for your argument, but it is also much much poorer and less educated than Atlanta. I have seen some of SBPDL's statements about Atlanta and it is the greatest evidence that he doesnt know what he is talking about half the time. For example, how did Time Tebow do today...
3- That said "acting white" is a myth. It is something that stupid blacks made up to try to explain why they couldnt compete with their own peers let alone other whites. You dont hear blacks who go to college say any of that nonsense. It is something that marginalized blacks have internalized as built in defense mechanism for their inevitable failure in academics. no blacks really believe that nonsense. Even if you go into a poor black neighborhood you wont hear them say that outloud unless they are trying to insult a peer with superior ability. If anything THAT is exactly what im talking about when i mention the very real and current persistence of the Slave Mentality.
Blacks without slave mentalities who have been instilled with confidence and have some ability do not believe the hype and fight even against their own peers to make progress. Its crabs in a barrel at its worst...
4- Slave mentality is most definitely something that Black America is not past. As i have previously stated it is the main issue that we are in the state we are in. It is stronger among impoverished blacks, but its effects definitely have an effect across the board. I could blame it on whites, but that would be irresponsible and not very productive to fixing it because it can only be fixed internally and that takes much time and resources, only one of which we have. Our victim mindstate that seeks to blame everything on Massah is one of the slave mentalities biggest symptoms.
5- Black America does not tolerate black on black crime. Ni**ers tolerate black on black crime. The problem is that in places where black on black crime is rampant Ni**ers greatly out number normal black people here is a classic funny explanation of that.
http://youtu.be/f3PJF0YE-x4
6- Lastly, if the "uptick" in black on white crime is true, I would theorize that it is actually corralative to some low end blacks shedding some of their internal slave mentality with ugly results. The fear of whites that used to be a big part of the slave mentality has been dissipated leaving only built up hate and resentment which leads to violence. But this mostly with low end blacks who come from poverty and are prone to such behavior. Most blacks are using Obama's presence as a catalyst or symbol for continued change and progress. Another thing that may be related is the perceived unfairness that Obama is treated with and the equal uptick in anti black rhetoric that occurred when Obama took office. Even SBPDL started after Obama's inauguration.
And lets also recognize that Mobs of people black or white are usually never a good thing. But still, i would like someone to provide some credible evidence to show that there has really been a surge in black on white crime. What im seeing here is a rise in awareness for black on white crime, but crime statistics state that 86% of murders of white people are committed by other white people.
@silent running
This may very well be the case in some areas on some levels, but the point i was making was that poverty and crime would still persists in American capitalist society.
The bottom line is that society needs an "other" they need someone to serve as a slate to project negativity upon. For centuries in homogeneous societies it was nobility Vs peasants, British Vs Irish, Romans Vs non Romans, but Blacks are easily othered for obvious reasons. If we were suddenly gone society by its very nature (especially in a capitalist system) would find another way to other someone.
Laslty, although this site has some good stuff, much of it is slanted, cherry picked opinionated crap. You pointing to SBPDL to present even quasi objective information would be like me pointing to the New Black panther party.
Freeman:
"Thats not "exactly what i said." Im not backpedaling im clarifying but you will her what you must."
I quoted your previous statement; I'll do it again:
"This is why states like West Virginia and any state that has poor rural white areas still have comparable crime per capita despite not having 'inferior genes.'"
Now I'll emphasize the relevant portion:
"poor rural white areas still have comparable crime"
The prosecution rests.
"if poverty were a genetic trait it would hardly occur within white culture"
This statement only illustrates your total lack of knowledge of both genetics and statistics.
"Even if some whites had "lesser genes" as you put it, they would still lack that gene to explain it"
Actually, I didn't "put it" - you did. I simply used your terms for the sake of conversation; I even used quotes to indicate so. And again, your lack of knowledge of genetics is apparent. Just because a genetic cause is shown for a trait does not make it THE cause. There can be others; and this is often the case.
"It is not simply a matter of exposure or "DWLs" would not be regularly moving into re-gentrified city areas all over the country."
This in no way addresses the point I made. Blacks spend most of their time around other blacks. Most whites spend very little time around blacks. Therefore, most whites at a lower probability (compared to blacks) of being victimized by a black. If I stay out of the ocean, a shark can't bite me - doesn't mean he wouldn't if he had the chance.
Frankly, Freeman, you're full of shit. Doesn't it get old having that fact repeatedly exposed?
here are a few links to help satisfy the data some of you seek
Crime and poverty in white areas or historically relevant crime in white areas
http://chicagocrimescenes.blogspot.com/2009/07/138-years-of-murder-in-chicago.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Newport-Tennessee.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Charleston-West-Virginia.html
http://www.history.com/videos/criminal-history-ancient-rome---law-enforcement#criminal-history-ancient-rome---law-enforcement
http://www.victorianweb.org/history/crime/banerjee1.html
Some other exmaples include Pigtown in baltimore, South boston, etc.
White on white Crime, black on black crime, drop in crime rate the past 15 years-
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv08.pdf
http://books.google.com/books?id=vgHgNsmZ3vsC&pg=PA23&dq&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#cite_note-Victim_characteristics.2C_US_Bureau_of_Justice_Statistics.2C_2005-22
White collar crime
http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2011/10/02/news/doc4e87d51fb299b557031633.txt?viewmode=2
http://www.onlinelawyersource.com/criminal_law/white_collar/statistics.html
i hope these satisfy my not so out their assertions.
Van
By "comparable crime" i mean still have higher than average crime rates. You are arguing semantics.
"Just because a genetic cause is shown for a trait does not make it THE cause. There can be others; and this is often the case."
This is the exact point i have been trying to make. Now i cant say that i can attribute this to you, however a consistent argument i have heard on this site is that blacks act up because its in their genes and that culture, and economics are not important indicators. Im glad to see at least we agree on this point. Thank you
As for your point about "Staying out of the ocean" surely there is some validity to it, but how does this coincide with the feigned outrage of this site and the fact that "blacks are at white peoples throats"
Every bit of statistical evidence shows that blacks target other blacks for violent crimes at a much higher percentage and that whites do the same.
And my statement about whites moving into formerly impoverished neighborhoods contradicts what you are saying and supports my first argument saying that blacks generally will try to avoid victimizing whites and will focus on their own. Which in turn cripples much of this "outrage" over the "rise" in black on white crime.
As i said before Van, if you dont want to deal with Blacks i cant blame you, but you using distorted facts and arguments is just as bad as the ones used by liberal media.
Detroit is a better example for your argument, but it is also much much poorer and less educated than Atlanta.
When Detroit was the Paris of the west Atlanta was just the Terminus of the South.
How did Detroit get to be much much poorer?
Anon-
My guess is that Detroit's wealth was based on manufacturing jobs that dissapeared when "job creators" started creating those jobs overseas.
Atlanta has 10 good colleges in a 20 mile radius. They put in a lot of tax breaks to attract businesses that were once in New Orleans. Coke, ATT, Delta, the Olympics, and now the booming Hollywood industries and Black entertainers. Its not in the very best shape since the recession, but its viable.
Freeman:
"i mean still have higher than average crime rates. You are arguing semantics."
I'll take you at your word, but this is a very different statement. The problem is not semantics, it was your poor explanation of your opinion. Again, it was EXACTLY what you said, why would I assume you meant something else?
"This is the exact point i have been trying to make."
Not even close. It still tells you nothing about the actual distribution is said traits in different populations. Let's say Gene A makes a person likely to be violent, and is only found in blacks. Gene B has the same effect, and is only found in whites. This does not imply similar probability of violence. Gene A might be found in 80% of its population while Gene B is only found in 10%. And what if Gene A is limited to blacks, but Gene B is found in all humans?
"Now i cant say that i can attribute this to you, however a consistent argument i have heard on this site is that blacks act up because its in their genes..."
Many have said this, including me.
"..and that culture, and economics are not important indicators."
I haven't said that, nor do I recall anyone else saying that. Income is certainly an indicator of crime. But the important question is this: is the relationship causal? Evidence would seem to indicate that it is not. If it was, crime should've gone up - particularly economic crimes (robbery, burglary, theft) - over the last few years. But they didn't. Crime should've gone up during the Great Depression, but it didn't. In fact, crime does not really correlate with economic cycles at all.
Now, what you are really getting at is an excuse (whether you want to use that word or not) for black crime. Sorry, it doesn't wash. Black crime is worse in terms of rate and extent - more common, more violent. This is true regardless of income.
As for culture, no one here will deny the characteristics of black culture. The question is the source of said culture, is it separable from genetics?
Considering the strong tendency of whites to create similar societies wherever they go, and for blacks to do the same; and considering how different white societies tend to be from black; there would seem to be some truth to the idea that genetics strongly influence culture.
It only makes sense, really. Its been shown through adoption and separated twin studies how much genes influence a person's personality and behavior. A population is simply a collection of individuals.
"Im glad to see at least we agree on this point. Thank you"
Obviously we don't.
"Every bit of statistical evidence shows that blacks target other blacks for violent crimes at a much higher percentage and that whites do the same."
The word "target" makes your statement false. There is absolutely no evidence that blacks ignore whites and seek out black victims. Again, exposure.
Show me evidence of the contrary - not evidence of black on black vs. black on white, but evidence that blacks INTENTIONALLY target other blacks and AVOID whites when they are available. Find me documentation of motivation.
(you can't)
"And my statement about whites moving into formerly impoverished neighborhoods contradicts what you are saying and supports my first argument saying that blacks generally will try to avoid victimizing whites and will focus on their own."
I honestly have no idea where you're going with this one. I fail to the connection. Some white people choose to be around blacks, this proves that blacks avoid targeting whites? Connect the dots for me. Since I'm having trouble, dumb it down as if you were talking to the average black person.
"if you dont want to deal with Blacks i cant blame you, but you using distorted facts and arguments"
That's just funny. There's no response needed, but its so very funny.
Van-
"Just because a genetic cause is shown for a trait does not make it THE cause. There can be others; and this is often the case."
This statement explicitly (not implicitly as you tried to attribute to me) says that "There can be other..." causes for behavior outside of genetics.
Im not mincing words on the distribution of said trait, my point is that there are outstanding factors that go into what cultivates certain behaviors in a culture/situation. To say that it is genetic and disregard all other elements is simply fallacious and is not supported by anything concrete.
Its funny how something as simple as personal responsibility can go out of the window when it doesnt suit ones goals. And yes this does apply to black people.
But according to your theories since blacks are predisposed to violence etc, every black criminal has a built in insanity plea and should never do hard time.
What you all have been doing with this new genetic information is recklessly applying it to ideas and concepts that support your argument, even when it doesn't quite work out, and now you are saying that it cannot support an opposing one in the same breath. Its speculative slanted nonsense as is par for this sites course.
"Income is certainly an indicator of crime. But the important question is this: is the relationship causal... In fact, crime does not really correlate with economic cycles at all."
Another example of speculative slanted reasoning. Income is an indicator, education is an indicator, family structure is an indicator, job availability is an indicator, mental health is an indicator, but the one that fit your argument best was income so the rest be damned!
"Now, what you are really getting at is an excuse (whether you want to use that word or not) for black crime. Sorry, it doesn't wash. Black crime is worse in terms of rate and extent - more common, more violent. This is true regardless of income."
How about you prove that one to me. The rate i will concede, not sure about everything else though and dont go pulling up isolated incidents and using it as a blanket statement of truth either
"The question is the source of said culture, is it separable from genetics?
Considering the strong tendency of whites to create similar societies wherever they go, and for blacks to do the same; and considering how different white societies tend to be from black; there would seem to be some truth to the idea that genetics strongly influence culture."
Again we have an example of your lack of perspective on African cultures and your own. African cultures were tribal but not nearly as violent or barbaric as comparable white cultures. How many African genocides can you come up with PRIOR to the effects of European Imperialism. How many Genocides has white culture committed in general over the course of history? So what is in your genes to explain that? OR is it possible that cultural factors influenced by climate, economics and natural resources were more relevant in those cases than genes? Otherwise let me know the genetic trait that has formed white culture into genocide machines.
Furthermore, name a bastion of black culture in the world today that remains untainted by white imperialism or slavery?
(you can't)
So how can you in any way make any judgement about modern black culture and civilization when no evidence of it exists? You want to know the source of modern black culture today world wide? Read a history book start a few 100 years before and the Berlin conference, it should clarify things for you. it is a culture born out of imperialistic exploitation and oppression. Most of Africa that is free is both recently liberated within the past 50 years, and still economically controlled by Europeans.
Now who is to say that a sovereign Africa would have been a world power without European intervention. According to genetics its unlikely, but it definitely would not have been the war torn, impoverished, diseased, corrupt, dangerous criminal state it is today.
You can call all this "blame whitey" if you want, but that doesnt mean its not true. Nor does it mean that blacks should rely on you all to fix things, and if you want you dont even have to feel guilty. But recognizing your part in it would go a long way to get some blacks to STFU about what has been done to them and get everyone to settle down.
"Show me evidence of the contrary - not evidence of black on black vs. black on white, but evidence that blacks INTENTIONALLY target other blacks and AVOID whites when they are available. Find me documentation of motivation."
Youre right, i cant find any statistical data in that specific of a category. but lets look at some statistics.
Blacks are 6 times more likley to be victims of homicide and 7 times more likely to commit one than whites. Blacks make up 13% of the population and whites nearly 70. 93% of black murders are committed by blacks and 86% of white murders are committed by whites. If blacks were not purposefully avoiding white victims it would be a much greater overlap in victimization considering just how much crime we are responsible for.
Simply by looking at probabilities, how can you explain this? Sure, some part of it has to be a lack of opportunity, but that still leaves a good portion of whites who could be victims.
I live in Atlanta in a mixed neighborhood that used to be a ghetto. We have a some crime with mostly black perpetrators. They act up around here because they are comfortable, and i have heard many personal testimonies from white neighbors that they have had little problem with local pockets of crime. In fact the only people in my neighborhood who have been robbed are blacks even though there are white neighbors with nicer things.
In the much richer north Atlanta areas like Chastain park, Collier hills, Buckhead, etc there is plenty more to steal and less of a police presence. But they maintain low crime rates even though they are only a 10 min drive from some of the worst areas in the city. Why are these mindless black criminals not running rampant through there? because they know better than to try to attack massah. In fact guess who the owns the house for the only notable robberies on that side of town? Tyler Perry, whose house has been burglarized multiple times.
So no i dont have any hard numbers outside of the ones provided but the anecdotal evidence is pretty strong. And it DEFINITELY doesnt support the ongoing theme of "rising black on white" crime here at SBPDL. But if i made my blog a bunch of one sided reports on classic racism im sure i could get a bunch of lemmings to buy into my nonsense as well.
So to clarify my last attempt at comedy, you Van are not a fan of black people. No problem from me on that. People naturally gravitate to their own and in the end that is probably a good thing. But much of the reasoning you give lacks real world relevance, perspective, proof, logic, etc. It is the permeation of the misinformation that i take issue with. If you simply stick to your earlier statement of "i dont want to take any chances" cool, everything else not so much.
"When Detroit was the Paris of the west Atlanta was just the Terminus of the South.
How did Detroit get to be much much poorer?"
Demise of the automobile industry, racial tensions coming to a head, and a series of other events. Atlanta, on the other hand, has relatively more cooperation. Blacks have the power structure in Atlanta and they were willing to work with the White corporate business owners. This made Atlanta's economy better than Detroit. Atlanta hosted the Olympics too. Atlanta also worked to get upwardly mobile and educated Blacks to Atlanta. Detroit failed epically in all of this.
"Its crabs in a barrel at its worst..."
That was exactly my point. The "acting White" insult is used against Blacks by other Blacks who don't do well in school. It is as you say, a slave mentality. Black people who are educated and who do pursue education don't used such as insult. Accusing someone of "acting White" is a crabs in a barrel mentality.
D. Freeman,
"If more whites adopted your stance then it wouldnt be so hard to promote these theories and find real world solutions to the problems they indicate."
It'd be hard, but it probably wouldn't be impossible to find imperfect but acceptable solutions. Ironically, by mainstream standards I'm a racist hater who isn't just a part, but the very core of the problem.
It isn't the opinions though, I think, it's an attitude. Love of the pursuit of truth over love of being right, realization that as an imperfect being I'll always be wrong to some extent, and refusal to let my emotions rule me. I've found that there are lots of people who really disagree with my opinions, but all except real haters have a real hard time of hating me. It appears you're trying to honestly and dispassionately debate people who really disagree with you, sometimes even hate you, so maybe you share this attitude to some extent. In any case, I certainly return your compliment.
"Slave mentality is most definitely something that Black America is not past. As i have previously stated it is the main issue that we are in the state we are in."
Undoubtedly this plays a part, but just about everywhere there has been significant black immigration into Western nations, the same social pathologies have appeared. Of course, almost all of the black flight countries were once colonies, which probably instilled a degree of that slave mentality, and the cultural centres of Western non-white underclass are the US ghettoes, so whatever goes wrong there, spreads all over Euro-America.
When I said that slave mentality is a thing of the past, I didn't mean that it was gone completely. Only in very exceptional cases does any mentality or other deep cultural trait disappear, but mutations into very different forms are much more common. It seems to me that only the instinct of submission to whitey and fear of him is gone, but the bitterness, reflex of blaming him for everything, and a conviction that deep down one is an inferior haven't vanished. I don't know if this new form is any better for blacks, but it's certainly much worse for whites. Looking at your posts, you basically seem to agree on this.
"Black America does not tolerate black on black crime. Ni**ers tolerate black on black crime. The problem is that in places where black on black crime is rampant Ni**ers greatly out number normal black people here is a classic funny explanation of that.
http://youtu.be/f3PJF0YE-x4"
Oh, just say it out loud. It'll be liberating. You don't have any more responsibility towards black trash than I have towards chavs, yobs and other kinds of white trash. Actually, you have much less need to do anything for them, because any racism you've suffered from is part of what they've kept alive and recreated. The video is excellent, by the way. I've sent it to lots of white liberals and open racists during the last few years.
"And my statement about whites moving into formerly impoverished neighborhoods contradicts what you are saying and supports my first argument saying that blacks generally will try to avoid victimizing whites and will focus on their own. Which in turn cripples much of this "outrage" over the "rise" in black on white crime."
Devil is in details. Not all impoverished neighbourhoods are as bad, but in any poor neighbourhood there are certain flashpoint where the pathologies are concentrated. By far the most significant of these is the local school. No sensible parent who has a choice wants her child to study in rowdy, chaotic environment, which is both a precursor of things going worse, and an aftereffect of the worst having passed. Now, who are the spearhead of gentrification? Gays, artists, students and young professionals. All people who don't have kids, who enjoy some thrills and don't care all that much about good manners. Once a bunch of them have settled in, the neighbourhood becomes somewhat calmer and rents rise. The most deprived and unruly segment of former inhabintants move out, and get replaced by more civilized folks, which change the character and raise the rents even more.
"Now who is to say that a sovereign Africa would have been a world power without European intervention. According to genetics its unlikely, but it definitely would not have been the war torn, impoverished, diseased, corrupt, dangerous criminal state it is today."
It probably would have been what it seemed to be before European intervention. All of those things, but much less so. Europeans introduced advanced agriculture and medicine, which increased population pressure, and modern weapons, which made wars more destructive. Some other things as well, like infrastructure which soon broke down, and the idea of government always knowing better which lasted even after it didn't. Basically, the benefits of colonialism proved fleeting, but the harms were lasting.
And certainly, there are some Africans I wouldn't blame at all for feeling bitter. Some things that Belgians did in Congo and Germans in modern-day Namibia were absolutely disgusting and monstrous. Of course, the old Congolose do now reminisce about Belgian rule, but considering the disaster that the state has been for some time, I can't blame them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War
That war did create one awesome military operation, though. The Tutsi (amongst few other African tribes) are for whatever reasons clearly superior to most other blacks.
http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thcentury/articles/kitona.aspx
"How many African genocides can you come up with PRIOR to the effects of European Imperialism. How many Genocides has white culture committed in general over the course of history? So what is in your genes to explain that?"
Prior to European occupation, Africa was the unknown continent, so we really have no idea. Undoubtedly lots of tribes got wiped out, but since political units were generally small as far as we know, any genocides were small. You put up an interesting point, though. It looks like humanity can be (very very roughly) divided into two parts. Those with constant levels of low aggression, and those with mostly non-existent aggression combined with huge explosions. There aren't any "morally superior" genes. There may well be "capability to suppress emotions" genes who were selected for mostly in whites and Asians, without any natural selection that'd help avoid the piling up of strong emotions denied for a long time. This probably contributes to cultural tendency towards forming huge tribes/nations, which of course can commit far more horrid crimes simply because they're so much stronger.
Freeman:
I read your posts and am simply dumbfounded. I imagine this is what a physicist would feel likeif he attempted to talk shop with the shoe guy at a bowling alley. I don't even know where to begin in untangling your convoluted nonsense. A few points:
Yes, many things serve as indicators of a population's crime rate (% black is a strong one). But so what, what do you think this proves? If you knew anything about science and research, you'd know correlation does not equal causation. Its very likely they are caused by the same traits - impulsiveness, low intelligence, low future time orientation. To sum up, your statement is irrelevant. Your ten years behind anyone else here.
Most of the researches who support the genetic theory acknowledge that culture and environment likely play a small role as well. I don't recall anyone here saying otherwise; simply that blacks don't - and can't - measure up to whites. Again, regarding yoour point, so what? It in no way refutes anything I've said.
I'm done. Blacks are best avoided in the virtual as well. The stupidity is dangerous.
@ Netzach
"Once a bunch of them have settled in, the neighbourhood becomes somewhat calmer and rents rise. The most deprived and unruly segment of former inhabitants move out, and get replaced by more civilized folks, which change the character and raise the rents even more."
Definitely true and you will never hear me complain about this. In fact one north Atlanta neighborhood (brookhaven) is in the final stages of this activity. Its sad that the black citizens left could not fix the neighborhood up themselves, but in the end if you have been a part of generational poverty all in one spot i lack sympathy for you. It is no surprise that Atlanta Public schools has renovated almost all of their inner city schools even as their student population has dropped over the past 10 years. I also see that the school scandals underlying goal was to cleanse the school system of dead weight to make room for more qualified and ideal teachers to teach the new (mostly) white students. But again you wont hear me complain, ill be more than happy to move to the northside in a few years.
"Basically, the benefits of colonialism proved fleeting, but the harms were lasting."
Afrocentric scholars and anthropologists would describe this as a sign that Euro/Anglo pathology is just not meant for black people. It is a common discussion among black intellectuals as to how the majority of black people could ever hope to thrive in a system that simply is not natural for them. Initially when i saw the whole "Race Realist" IQ stuff i bristled at the notion, however upon further research it's clear that early Black Leaders like WEB Dubois, Marcus Garvey and Booker T Washington understood this to some level and formulated their initiatives around them. However in todays society there will have to be a slightly different attitude toward progress as you simply will not be able to tell 40% of the black community that they are not "good" enough to compete in the white world, nor will you be able to supplant an Anglo pathology with an Afrocentric one. This is why it may take individuals on the fringes of both movements to push their respective ends toward the middle.
"I read your posts and am simply dumbfounded. I imagine this is what a physicist would feel like if he attempted to talk shop with the shoe guy at a bowling alley."
Van, I told you that it's useless trying to debate a black pseudo-intellectual. Their inability to understand even the most basic of scientific processes actually makes them think they are winning every argument.
If an African has sex with a young girl and he consequently does not contract AIDS, then his conclusion is that raping little girls cures AIDS. If his brother rapes a little girl but still contracts AIDS, he will reason that his victim was not young enough or something. If they rape a baby but still contract AIDS, then the theory will be that some white man juju interfered. In other words, they will never question the validity of this causal theory and only accept facts which support it. Because unlike non-Africans who do go on to become scientists, they cannot distinguish correlation and causation.
Freeman:
I was done, but your last paragraph at 5:42 needs attention.
You seem to acknowledge the possibility - even the likelihood - that blacks can't function well in a white society; that maybe they don't have something required, and would function better in a different society.
But then you talk of some sort of compromise. The problem is, white civilization has produced nearly all of the the medical and technological advancement the world has seen while providing a standard of living, for the majority of the population, never matched in history with relative stability and low crime. It is, by nearly any metric, the best civilization the world has seen.
Any changes made to accommodate blacks would almost certainly be for the negative; and this for a group of people whose very presence is already a net negative for society. Why should we change anything?
You say we can't tell 40% of blacks that they simply don't have what it takes? Nonsense. Blacks are pushing their luck. More and more whites - who grew up as colorblind liberals - have had enough. If the lid ever comes off; if the majority of whites ever realize the truth about what exactly it is that blacks bring to the table - the free ride is over.
Its not at all unlikely that the 2012 election is the breaking point. The accusations of racism from the Dems, the increasing black on white mob attacks, intimidation at the polls.
Or, if it doesn't happen, and demographic trends continue, you won't like your children's/grandchildren's fate under a Mexican "America."
Van-
I cant say im surprised that you are deciding to bow out. The increasing inclination to throw insults, the avoidance or arguments that you cant find rebutal for (still waiting on that rise in black on white crime stat) the focus on semantics and not substance. It is what it is.
I mean when i see "in regards to your point" i dont even know what is being referred to, you have jumped around so much ive lost track. I guess the whole IQ thing is clearly subjective.
But my main point has been from the beginning is that "race realism" does a piss poor job of explaining African American problem in the modern era. You cant (and havent) been able to explain how and why a relatively peaceful ethnic group managed not to ravage any land, or wipe out any other races with such bad genes, UNTIL their culture was tainted by White imperialism. Or why white cultures have been categorically more violent and murderous than African and even Asians who have higher IQs. You avoid this argument because it destroys your own. The bottom line is that although genetics has some role in understanding and SOLVING these problems, using it as a blanket explanation is outright stupid and is only a tactic to absolve whites of cultural guilt and support white supremacy.
Quick thought. And maybe this is me being the Shoe guy again (im assuming you have some type of background in physics or at least genetics considering the way you authoritatively throw their info out)
But if "correlation does not equal causation" then how can the correlation of these "bad genes" be so categorically determined to be the main cause of the behavior over any of the other correlating factors? Is it because that is the most convenient to supporting white supremacy?
What im seeing here Van is a refusal to even budge on what you are saying even if it doesnt fully work, and instead of explaining your points or changing them, you insult me and say you wont bother because its not worth it. Weak sauce Mr. Van you do your ilk a disservice you should have just came and went with some insults like the rest of your crew if you werent up for an actual discussion where you would actually have to defend the notions you all throw out so confidently when there is no viable source of disagreement.
D. Freeman: Now who is to say that a sovereign Africa would have been a world power without European intervention.
You have got to be kidding. European colonialism provided Africa's various nations access to technology and education that, on its own, would not have arrived for several more centuries.
A proper analogy is that of the MME (Muslim Middle East). Would Muslim Arabs have managed to get even a fraction of their oil from underground reserves without the assistance of Western technology which they have yet to master, even to this very day?
Why is it that the infrastructure left behind in post-colonial Africa by European powers so frequently falls into immediate disrepair?
Also, what was it about India which enabled that subcontinent to capitalize so successfully upon British colonization while numerous African colonies of Britain exhibit nothing remotely resembling such rapid adoption of advanced government and education?
Your unfounded assertions are preposterous.
African cultures were tribal but not nearly as violent or barbaric as comparable white cultures. How many African genocides can you come up with PRIOR to the effects of European Imperialism.
You neglect to observe that, prior to colonization, the sub-Saharan portion of Africa was sorely lacking in recorded history. Even the memory of large scale events tends to fade over long periods of time where there is no detailed written record.
Take, for instance, the Inuit people of North America. How much do we know about their early history? Basically zilch, because they did not have a written language until missionaries constructed one for them in 1760.
Despite a forbidding head start, with respect to all other races, sub-Saharan Africa's routine inability to create or sustain technologically advanced cultures points towards a relatively high potential for violence and barbarism. Such practices are more common in less advanced cultures and there is nothing to indicate that events like the Rwandan genocide were a direct outgrowth of colonialism.
You can also be certain that the colonists most definitely did not school native Africans in the fine arts of mutilation and amputation that are currently so en vogue in many of that continent's conflicts.
This manifests in both hands being cut off so that the surviving person becomes an immense burden to fellow kin and villagers. Another frequent form of amputation involves removal of a hand and foot from opposing sides of the body, thus rendering the victim almost non-functional. Yet another gruesome practice involves sexual mutilations and discharging of firearms within the bodies of women after prolonged gang raping.
I don't recall colonists encouraging any behavior of this sort. All of which points towards a precolonial history rich in mayhem and slaughter that has only been exacerbated ― but in no way can have been inspired ― by access to large caliber weapons.
If precolonial sub-Saharan African history was all peace, love and brown rice, such placid circumstances would have facilitated the rise of large population centers which, in turn, could sustain progress in the arts and sciences. Instead, not much in the way of that happened.
Few thing better explain such a lack of progress than constant internecine strife much as we see throughout the sub-Saharan Africa of today.
So much for your "blame it on White European colonists" junk history.
And please don't even think of pissing and moaning about slavery until you openly admit that Islam has enslaved more Africans than Europe and America COMBINED. Emkay?
Van-
"Any changes made to accommodate blacks would almost certainly be for the negative; and this for a group of people whose very presence is already a net negative for society. Why should we change anything?"
I dont know Van thats good question maybe you should just kill us off...
Seriously thats what you would have done in the past. You feel that White society as a whole would not miss anything with Blacks gone so just cut to the chase and merc us. OR we can look at it like this.
Lets say its a given that too many blacks are ill equipped to thrive in a white environment (so much more to this but we will leave it at that) At the current state of affairs all efforts have failed in terms of "turning Africans into Europeans." However lets be HONEST for once and acknowledge that America would not be what it was if not for the exploitation of black slave labor, and Europe would not be what it is without the riches gained from imperialism. For the heights of Anglo society to exist, it has clearly been a requirement that it come at the price of majority peoples of color and even white people of poorer stock.
(It would do my heart good to see you address that in some way, even if you disagree at least dont avoid it.)
So considering that the current state of Africa and Black America is greatly a beast of your own creation, AND that said exploitation is a requirement to maintain the societies you so admire. (also consider that most non white societies live in abject poverty, and that there are many within white society that live in poverty as well)
One could come to the conclusion that the current state of affairs is a small price to pay considering the tab that Anglo culture owes to us Sub Saharan Blacks and other people of color.
This is the "powers that be" principle that me and Netzach both see that you dont. When race relations are at a "slow boil" things arent perfect but they are not enough to create chaos. However, one black president and a few mini race riots and suddenly things are at the brink (Brink of nothing in my opinion)
But my easiest suggestion is that you kill us all. Becuase between us and the Mexicans combined with liberalism, and the dominance of colored genes, you all will not be here in a century which would honestly make me sad. Seriously. White culture has two options, find a way to nutrialize the problems it caused (which is pretty much what has been going on worldwide for the last century or so) Kill us all, or face extinction.
D. Freeman: I cant say im surprised that you are deciding to bow out.
You have no right to be surprised. Especially not after ignoring or misinterpreting so much logical and conclusive evidence that Van has made such an effort to present.
After being challenged by me, you finally posted some links but neglected to, somehow, reference facts from those sources in a manner that would make it unnecessary for readers to laboriously scan all of those pages for whatever it is that's supposed to support your theories.
As you can see from my previous comment, your speculation about precolonial sub-Saharan Africa is unmitigated balderdash.
I doubt that you will ever be getting such a lengthy response from me in the future because engaging you in forensic debate is almost totally unproductive.
Freeman:
My intention was never to engage you in honest debate. I continued the discussion for the benefit of anyone reading along but not commenting - to expose the fallacies of your beliefs and the mental gymnastics required to maintain them. I've done an adequate job on that; continuing is as unnecessary as it is exhausting. I can live with it if you think you've bested me and run me off - I told you in the beginning that changing your mind was unimportant.
You display your ignorance in every post. Your last one, questioning correlation vs. causation regarding genes and behavior may be the best example yet.
I withdraw from the debate.
Enjoy your "victory."
I'm a white American woman. When I take into account my personal experiences with the human race I find that all of the wrong-doings to me personally have been done by white men. I've been molested as a child, stalked as an adult, had my house burglarized a few times, robbed white a white college boy when delivering pizza, home broken into while sleeping one night and left beaten after he tried to kill me, left supporting our children by a deadbeat father because he decided he didn't have enough money to pay support and live the lifestyle he wanted, and damn near bankrupted by white corporate America governed by a white president and government whom I loved. All of this done by different white men. None black. So get over how blacks are sub-human and worse people than whites are. Being born white does not make you any better. Judge people by how they treat you and not what they look like. It's good against bad, not black against white. Being white does not mean you are righteous, as some on this board seem to think. Your contempt is misplaced and those that openly announce they are Christians in the same breath should be ashamed. It's a newsflash to many of ya but Christ was not white. You take statistics and twist to suit the site, pull stories that are indeed true and shocking but don't ever post anything about white crime nor do you ever show blacks who are making things better. You slant everything to make everyone hate blacks even more than they do. You leave off stories that show white to be no better. You are bad people with a lot to answer for and it's that simple. You are part of the problem as much as any rioting black mob. The difference...you don't show that side of yourselves in public, you hide it.
"I'm a white American woman. "
Are half of the commenters here brain dead? How many times do we have to hear about these irrelevant examples plucked from their personal history or their imagination? Hey, stupid white woman, how much does your stupid sob story move the needle when looking at the sample size? Considering there are 300 million people in the US, I'm guessing not much. But then again, you're so special, right? We should give your tragi-comedy as much weight as the entire skewed distribution, right? Idiot. You should stand in line behind Evergreen and Freeman demanding your money back for your tuition.
For those following along, now that we've established the reality of raqcial differences, the solution is simple.
Repeal of all laws that explicitly and intentionally favor one group over another, or that allow a person to get by on the backs of others.
The problem will work itself out.
I looked at the first 3 of D. Freeman's links, and did not find any hint of a trend between them which supports his narrative. Quite the opposite. Falling Chicago crime rates are supposed to refute HBD? If anything, the demolition of projects like Cabrini Green and the diaspora of the Black undertow across the upper Midwest on Section 8 vouchers would be expected to yield less crime in the city proper. It also yields things like kidnap-robberies in Cedar Rapids when stupid Chicago thugs displaced to Des Moines go out for a night of "fun".
What D. Freeman needs to support his claim is a comparison of Black and White areas of similar low income, showing that the White residents commit crimes at higher rates than the Black residents. Of course, he's not using this comparison because it shows the exact opposite. He ought to know this, yet he goes on. (TL;DR version: "D. Freeman isn't just wrong, he's stupid too.")
I'm a white American woman. When I take into account my personal experiences with the human race I find that all of the wrong-doings to me personally have been done by white men.
You tell it girlfrien' Oprah is listening.
I too am an American woman, and my experience has been the opposite of the 'sister' above. I was mugged, robbed, and nearly abducted by blacks. My mother, who was a jazz groupie and idolized blacks, was raped and later attacked with a hammer in her own house, both by blacks. Both my brothers and my uncle have been attacked by black men.
This 100% correlation of violent criminals and blacks in my life and my family is not an aberration. Statistics frequently cited here bear this out. A black man is 6-10 times more likely to commit a violent crime than a white man. That is reality.
(Oh I've been through divorce from a white husband too, sorry but deadbeat dad problems are not the same as having someone beat you till you're dead. Putting marriage problems in the same category as violent crimes is intellectually dishonest. Wake up American Woman!)
-jerez
Parting question to those still available to answer-
If elements such as culture,enviornment,education, etc are not "causal" in terms of explaining black behavior, how does the present of certain genes represent a causal relationship?
Or is it more accurate to label them all correlative and some possibly more significant than others?
If not please explain why so ican reexamine my own theories and arguments. This seems to be the anchor of you guys argument. I want to make sure i fully understand it.
D. Freeman,
"However lets be HONEST for once and acknowledge that America would not be what it was if not for the exploitation of black slave labor, and Europe would not be what it is without the riches gained from imperialism."
I'm not qualified to comment on the American part, but I've done some study on Europe and imperialism. Some of imperialism was highly profitable, most notably Spanish looting of South American precious minerals and Dutch Spice Islands, but mostly it seems to have been a net negative. During the high tide of European imperialism, late 19th century, the most rapidly growing European power was Germany, whose colonial holdings were scant and apart from Tanganyika (Tanzania) consisted of worthless leftovers. When Europe lost its colonies after WW2, the result wasn't an economic disaster. The continent entered an unprecedented economic boom.
But can't colonial master just exploit the resources...? Sure, but he still has to pay for investments and wages, so a nation like UK didn't pay significantly less for those resources than nation like Germany which just pressured others to grant free access to its corporations. The real difference was that UK had to spend huge sums to maintain its control over the colonial territories. These days, all West is like Germany, getting almost all of the benefits for a fraction of the cost.
"One could come to the conclusion that the current state of affairs is a small price to pay considering the tab that Anglo culture owes to us Sub Saharan Blacks and other people of color. This is the "powers that be" principle that me and Netzach both see that you dont."
Well, I must say I see lots of tabs. Every year the Anglo tab gets a bit smaller, and the black tab a bit larger. But sure, the Anglos built up a real tab (don't know or much care if it's still the bigger one). I'm not sure how much they benefited from the nasty things they did, but nasty things they certainly were. With the benefit of hindsight I'm not sure just how smart move the Civil Rights movement was, but as it was the right thing, I have hard time thinking ill of it.
As for the black tab (and problems in the concept of peoples having tabs), I'll defer to the eloquence of Fred Reed:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Cochran.shtml
The whole "civilizational rent" thing in that essay reminds me of the Chris Rock's retort, though. "For blacks, whites are kind of an awesomely rich uncle who left you a huge inheritance - but when you were child he molested you."
"But my easiest suggestion is that you kill us all."
One of the things why I'd like to see the full force of modern psychometrics and genetics turned on racial differences is that understanding is the first step towards control. Biotech is advancing at such a rapid pace that we may not be that far off from the point when elimination of inherited diseases and deficiencies is possible. Real eugenics, not the miserable pseudoscientific twaddle of past. Genetic equality wouldn't solve all problems, probably not even most of them, but it'd have a powerful effect on culture as well. There'd be less excuses for failing, or for that matter discriminating. It'd also provide a powerfully symbolic new beginning.
Failing that, I'm afraid that the only options are horrible one way or another.
Zenster,
"You can also be certain that the colonists most definitely did not school native Africans in the fine arts of mutilation and amputation that are currently so en vogue in many of that continent's conflicts."
Mostly not. Of course Congo, the part of Africa which sank deepest into unspeakable barbarism, succeeding in the seeming impossibility of surpassing even the atrocities of Sierra Leone and Liberia, was owned by Belgia. Its rulership was always harsh, but during the reign of King Leopold the standard punishment for failing to meet huge quotas was hacking off hands, and worse brutalities like whipping people to death with chicotte (rhinoskin whip) weren't uncommon. Nobody knows how many died, but certainly a tremendous number. Now, this is a correlation, not a proven causal connection, but still an interesting one.
Of course, even here we find the interesting little fact that the rank and file of Force Publique, Belgian colonial army, was completely black. Whites gave the orders, but they had no trouble finding blacks to ravage other tribes in service to Crushers of Stone.
"If not please explain why so ican reexamine my own theories and arguments. This seems to be the anchor of you guys argument. I want to make sure i fully understand it."
WTF?! How much more do you need spoonfed to you? A friend of mine teaches Econ at a well known university, and he secretly confided to me that he gave up on holding his black students to the same standards as white and Asian students. The amount of handholding and 'guided cheating' required to pass a high enough percentage of them so as not to be scandalous was taking a toll on him. But for the younger TA's, it was frustrating but weirdly accepted as part of the way things needed to be in order for their world to be normal.
In other words, a degree held by a Black means less than a degree held by a White? Just like high-school diplomas?
What a surprise! Not.
Well dipwads, the "white" guy I refer to is one of the regulars on this site and you eat up every line he writes and often quote him when saying how great and how very clever he is. All of the "insert your favorite racist word here" traits you impose on blacks as a whole apply to him. Like many of you, he is a hypocrite. He has put a gun in the face of a store clerk for a few hundred bucks, lived off of welfare for a few years, benefited from having his children's births paid for by the taxpayer with Medicaid, doesn't pay child support, walked off and left his children, sat by while his mom lived off the taxpayer for a few years as well. He also served time for the violent assault on three people (one including an elderly woman). But because he knows and uses a few big words and peppers his comments with racist phrases you guys eat it up. My point was that you should judge a person on how they act and what they do as individuals, not as a whole. Because judging as a whole, one could assume everyone on this board was just like him. Not great company if you ask me.
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