Monday, October 10, 2011

Once More Into the Breach: USA Today Proclaims Detroit's Comeback Offering Little Evidence in the Process

Quick update: I've been working on 15 articles for other Web sites. On top of reading virtually every book on college football history (when I get an idea, I pursue and attack it from every direction possible and that means doing some necessary reading and homework), my free time has been occupied. This week, however, is going to be the most engaging one in the history of SBPDL. You'll see a number of articles at other sites by Paul Kersey, podcast #3, and two new articles each day here.

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Detroit's collapse correlates to the loss of its white population
USA Today has published a hilarious cover story on the recovery in Detroit, a city that recently celebrated earning the illustrious honor of being America's Most Dangerous City. All courtesy of that city's primary inhabitants, Black people. Just ask the family of Greg McNichols. Or Ross Capicchioni.

Sadly, this article doesn't mention that Detroit is home to the worst school system in the civilized world, where EVERY student gets a free lunch so as not to stigmatize those who are part of the free lunch program. No mention of the RoboCop statue that the new immigrants to the city (primarily Disingenuous White Liberals) wanted to erect, a minor concession to hipster sensibilities that pales in comparison to the gold chairs at the public library the Black leadership splurged on. Nor does it mention that the failed Black leadership of that more than 80 percent Black city has forced the state of Michigan into taking over the school system and -- potentially -- the entire city.The article only peripherally mentions that Detroit has halted trash pickup and police patrols to only 20 percent of the city. This number represents just a tad less than the percentage of students who graduate from the high schools each year. 

No, here's what the article states:
For years, this blue-collar city has been synonymous with the ills suffered by the decline of great American cities — crime, poverty and abandonment.

These days, people think about Detroit a little differently.

A new spirit is heard in the euphoria for its professional sports teams: The Tigers are in the American League Championship Series, while the Lions are 4-0 for the first time since 1980 — and playing on Monday Night Football for the first time in a decade.

That spirit is celebrated in an Emmy-winning Super Bowl ad that touts the city's working-class roots. It's felt in the resurgence of the auto industry, which has seen sales rebound with new products and improved technology three years after almost collapsing.

"There's a tendency to think about Detroit as this Rust Belt, throwaway city," says Susan Mosey, president of Midtown Detroit Inc., whose group is offering financial incentives for people to move into the city. "All this has reframed that conversation. … There is a moment in time for Detroit."
Who ever thought the words "imported from Detroit" — tagline of the Super Bowl ad — would be cool?

People here say it's not just Detroit's image that's changing. They say after years of decline, the city finally is taking baby steps forward.

Several major companies, including Quicken Loans, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan and DTE Energy, have moved operations downtown. More artists and young people are moving to the city's center.

In July, Detroit showed the largest one-year increase in home values of 20 major cities: a 1% uptick, according to the S&P/Case-Shiller index of property values. That comes after being down 46% from the city's peak in 2005.

"The car companies have stabilized. … The sports teams are on the rise. We have a long way to go, but there are so many positive signs," says Grammy-nominated recording artist Kem, a native Detroiter.

Even Hollywood is taking notice. Four movies featuring metro Detroit locations are in the cineplex or opening soon. Among them: Real Steel, starring Hugh Jackman, and The Ides of March, starring George Clooney.

City leaders say the improvements do not hide the hard realities. Detroit lost 25% of its population during the past decade, the largest drop of any U.S. city with more than 100,000 people.

The city that in 1950 had a population of 2 million has about 702,000 residents, 38% of whom live in poverty. The region's unemployment rate is 14.4%, among the nation's highest.

The city is just coming out from under a scandal involving its former mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, whose antics were material for late night comedians. Kilpatrick went to jail for lying in court about an affair with his chief of staff and also faces federal corruption charges. Several of his cronies are going to prison for bribery and other offenses.

The city was so distracted by the scandals that efforts to move forward got little traction, says City Council President Charles Pugh.

Now, he says, the sports teams' wins and other successes are helping Detroiters feel proud of their town again.

"It's a welcome reprieve from the reality of life in a big city," he says. "It's a reprieve from how do you solve the next problem."

The city's mayor, former Pistons basketball star Dave Bing, says the sports high is helping the city as more people crowd downtown restaurants, bars and hotels.

But, he says, "I don't want to get too giddy just yet. We are still treading water."

He says the city struggles to provide law enforcement, garbage pickup and lighting, to all corners of its 140-square-mile area.

'It's a “we" situation'
The city's troubles are hardly on the minds of local sports fans, who haven't seen this much winning in early October in years.


The team's fate has been tied to its ace pitcher, Justin Verlander, 28, a right-hander who led the league with 24 wins, a 2.40 ERA and 250 strikeouts.

Verlander says he's well aware of how the recent success of the Tigers, Lions and the NHL's Red Wings impacts the city's collective psyche — especially since all three teams play their home games in the heart of downtown. The Red Wings, which look to make the playoffs for the 21st consecutive season, started their 2011-12 season Friday.

"I think it's fantastic," Verlander says. "The more you win, the more fans come. Bringing people to downtown Detroit helps the economy tremendously."

Ken Lucas, Dearborn High School football and wrestling coach and a lifelong resident of suburban Dearborn, home to Ford's headquarters, says the wins are a morale boost.

"Everybody's hurtin' around here except the big honchos, and it gives you a little light at the end of the tunnel," he says. "You save a little bit, miss vacation to go to a Tigers game, go to a Lions game and take your son down there."

Gary Bailey says the Tigers' success embodies the spirit of a town that works hard.

"You see the excitement of the people," says Bailey, an insurance agent. "This is a tough town. It's a gritty town. I've lived here my whole life, and I'm still working. I'm not going to retire."

Even though they live in suburban Detroit, he and his wife of 50 years, Beverly, stayed downtown at the Marriott Renaissance Center for two of the games against the Yankees. They soaked up the scene at local bars, such as Cheli's Chili Bar, a popular spot owned by former Red Wings player Chris Chelios.

The excitement for the Tigers and Lions spills out to strangers who high-five each other on the street and cheer when they spot each other's team jerseys.

"Any real Detroiter views the team as their own," says Chuck Johnson, sports media director for Detroit public schools. "It's a 'we' situation. Right now, the teams are winning, so we are winning. Detroiters have always been resilient. That's what we see in these teams."

The Lions are one of only two NFL teams, along with the defending Super Bowl champion Green Bay Packers, with perfect records. They haven't lost a game since December 2010, when they played the Chicago Bears, the team they'll meet again here Monday night. Not bad for a team that in 2008 became the only one in NFL history to finish 0-16.

The Lions will play Green Bay in the traditional Thanksgiving Day game, which for the first time in years will mean something.

"It not only makes you feel good, it allows us to improve the city's image, one panning shot of Detroit on TV at a time," Pugh says.

'This is what we do'
"Detroit" has always been interchangeable with the American auto industry. Five years ago, Detroit's General Motors, Ford and Chrysler were headed for perdition. They were stagnating, could not compete with foreign automakers and cut 120,000 jobs. GM and Chrysler borrowed money from the government to stay afloat. Ford mortgaged the company.

Today, all three are making money, with strong sales in pickups and SUVs in September, and they are going on the offensive with new products.

"The image change for Detroit in the last three years probably has been more than any of us in the industry anticipated," says Jesse Toprak, vice president for industry trends and analysis at TrueCar.com, a car pricing and research company.

Not long ago, the auto-buying cognoscenti disdained Detroit and favored foreign brands. That attitude is uninformed, Toprak says. Detroit cars, overall, are "head to head with imports," he says.
"The real quality gaps between domestics and imports have almost vanished," he says, and considering "how much car you get for your money," Detroit vehicles tend to be better values than foreign-brand rivals.

Chrysler's remake of its 300 sedan got high marks from Consumer Reports in the November issue. CR says the new 300 "ranks among the better upscale sedans," a category that includes Lexus, Acura and Hyundai luxury models.

Chrysler's "Imported from Detroit" ad campaign has generated a lot of buzz for Detroit cars — and the city. The ad featured Detroit native and rapper Eminem driving past factories, abandoned buildings and city landmarks.

"What does a town that's been to hell and back know about the finer things in life?" an anouncer asks. "This isn't New York City. Or the Windy City. Or Sin City. And we're certainly no one's Emerald City."

"This is the Motor City. And this is what we do," Eminem closes.

"That commercial stood for the new Detroit," says Mike Bernacchi, a marketing professor at the University of Detroit Mercy. "There was no denial of what Detroit is. It says we've been knocked down, but we're not knocked out. … The commercial brought that conversation to the country."

Most of the lost auto jobs are gone for good, but a few thousand are returning, and more are being preserved as the United Auto Workers and the car companies finalize new four-year contracts. A study by the Center for Automotive Research, an organization supported by foundations and car companies, shows that in Michigan there are 22% more auto-related jobs than there were when Detroit automakers hit bottom in 2009.

And Detroit is becoming an environmental leader.

GM's Chevrolet Cruze Eco is the highest-mileage gasoline car available, matching highway mileage ratings for small diesel cars. Ford converted a factory in nearby Wayne, Mich., that once made big SUVs to make Focus compacts and, soon, some hybrids and electric vehicles. Chrysler will build in the USA high-gas-mileage, four-cylinder engines for a line of cars developed by its majority owner, Fiat.

'There's an awesome energy here'
These successes help keep young people in the city. Stevie Ansara, 24, is a beatbox artist, a vocal percussionist, who teaches art in Detroit public schools. He is part of a crop of artists and young people celebrating the city's grit.

"There's an awesome energy here," he says. "The city is your canvas."

His Midtown neighborhood is seeing more investment as development groups such as Mosey's entice prospective residents. Funded by local foundations, Mosey's group provides up to $20,000 in forgivable loans for down payments or up to two years' rent as incentives for people to move into the area.

So far, 250 people who work for the three major employers in Midtown have signed up. The group just launched a similar program downtown.

David Sampson, who runs the Mariners Inn homeless shelter and substance-abuse treatment center near the stadiums, said he wants to see the momentum spill over to help downtrodden neighborhoods and people in need.

For now, he says the winning sports teams are a boon to some of his clients, about 16% of whom work as vendors in the stadiums.

Sampson uses the city's revamped image, exemplified by the Chrysler ad, to show his clients that they, too, can succeed.

The ad, he says, told the world: "This is who we are. This is what Detroit is, so stop degrading us. We are on a comeback."

So what have we learned? That the overwhelmingly white residents of Detroit's suburbs enjoy watching sports -- especially winning sports teams. USA Today reported that Detroit lost 25 percent of its population over the past decade, in a mad dash by residents to avoid living anywhere near Black people. Take a look at the extreme levels of segregation in Detroit here, courtesy of University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee demographers.

Detroit still has no major grocery chain and the average price of home in 2009 was only $7,000. Wait, what is 1 percent of $7,000? $70 bucks!! What a dramatic rise! The Wall Street Journal pointed out that these numbers were hardly worth celebrating, though any good news for Detroit is emphasized to counter the constant stream of negativity courtesy of Detroit's majority population (and its elected Black government officials).

Here's an article from the WSJ detailing the horrible reality of touting Detroit as the best city for home pricing data (or the only source for positive news), which fails to mention how the Black Undertow has brought massive depreciation to home values in Atlanta and Cleveland:

Maybe it’s those Eminem Chrysler ads.

The S&P/Case-Shiller home price data came out this morning and only one of the 20 major city indexes showed a gain in February over the previous month: Detroit!

When Detroit headlines the housing data, you know it’s not particularly awesome. And while Detroit did post a price rise, home prices in the Motor City remain about 30% below 2000 price levels. Yowzers. Atlanta, Cleveland and Las Vegas also have home price levels below the 2000 mark.

“There is very little, if any, good news about housing. Prices continue to weaken, trends in sales and construction are disappointing,” says David M. Blitzer, Chairman of the Index Committee at S&P Indices.
 Like Philadelphia, capable Black people (the Black middle class) are fleeing the ruins of Detroit. Ruins that were once the envy of the world - upon their erection - were commerce, innovation and thriving economy were ultimately overwhelmed by the Black Undertow.  USA Today is right about the decline of Detroit: crime, poverty, and abandonment.  The city was abandoned by white people who long ago left for safe suburbs (that were built and maintained by the escaping refugees of Detroit), attempting to evade the Black crime and the encroaching Black Undertow.

Poverty? Black people can't sustain a national grocery chain in Detroit, which tragically shows that Black people have no buying power nor have the sense of community to sustain a business.

There are mini-Detroit's all across the southern region of the United States (or wherever Black people have congregated in numbers great than 25 percent of the overall population). How will they ever make an economic comeback, when they lack sports teams for white suburban fans to cheer for and spend money supporting?


A thriving squatters renaissance has taken root in Detroit, where more than 100,000 abandoned houses (because people don't want to live among the Black Undertow, uprooting their lives to escape it) are now home to citizens who might just spark the next wave of innovation in that city. Or so says Business Insider.

The New York Times published an article saying that young, innovative white people (Stuff White People Like whites) were beginning to move into The Motor City, hilariously stating that these student loan debt-laden, liberal arts degree holding, latte swigging, Apple product hoarding, bike-riding goofs will be the saviors of the city.

No matter what companies like Quicken Loan (who receive heavy tax breaks from the city and have virtually no overhead when acquiring unwanted commercial real estate in Detroit) who relocate to Detroit hope to accomplish, they will have to hire people from outside the city if they hope to stay successful.

You still have more than 700,000 Black people in Detroit, the same ones who helped make the city the most dangerous in America; the same people whose children are paid to go to school and still put up some of the worst scores and lowest graduation rates in the nation; and no national grocery stores.

Amazon is offering a book called Lost Detroit: Stories Behind the Motor Cities Majestic Ruins. Really, it can be simply summed up in one sentence: the Black Undertow made the maintenance of Detroit's former majesty untenable.

74 comments:

Anonymous said...

The black background might be hip and edgy, but it is death on old eyes. Your blue links become unreadable on the black background. Dark lettering on a light background is much easier to read.

Anonymous said...

I second that notion....change it back to black text, white background.

Anonymous said...

MY EEEEEYYYYYEEEESSS!!!!!

Sorry, I can not return unless the contrast changes.

~AV~ said...

skip the black background...years ago...there was a book published and one of the rules is NEVER EVER do a black background...

In fact...we should avoid all things black...heh heh heh

Much prefered the black text on the silver background you had a for a few days...

as for Detroit...it was so rock botton LOW...even an abnormal blip...would looklike an improvement...

wait when the austerity cuts begin across America...Detroit will bring to everyone's attention a NEW low...a lower than low...low...a Detroit LOWWWWWWW

just wait and see....when no more "swipe swipe the EBT"

Joel said...

I'm with the other guys. No black background. Go back to the black on white.

Anonymous said...

Old-line SEC fan here. Yes, the black background is bad on the eyes.

Thrasymachus said...

Somebody in the commissariat decided it was time for a Good News About Detroit story, so USA Today, one of the most politically correct papers out there, dutifully stepped up.

S.V. said...

I see better with the dark background actually...

Anonymous said...

White lettering on a black background? No, Paul, no. Time for a rethink.

Anonymous said...

The black background makes my eyes unhappy.

Anonymous said...

Hey Paul,

I don't know where you get the stamina . . .

Generally I agree with almost all of what you have to say and this is a minor point in the greater context, but a lot of poor white kids in Georgia and elsewhere receive a significant amount of their daily nutrition through free school meal programs. The problem with requiring individual applications wasn't the stigma - there were systems in place to make sure kids getting free meals couldn't be identified - the problem was that parents wouldn't fill out the forms from a combination of ignorance, sloth, or pride, and poor kids of all shades were bombing physically and academically from hunger. I'm about as hard-core a fiscal conservative as you'll run into but no child should go hungry in our country regardless of the sins of their parents.

Brother Anonymous said...

Dude, white text on black background...NO.

Rev. Dr,. Swift said...

Hey Paul, why don't you write about how Detroit's economy is turning around? As evidenced by this:

http://revdrswift.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/detroit-turning-it-around/

10mm AUTO said...

One thing black hates is to be surrounded by White. It can't breath, it can't rape, it can't steal, it is constrained from "keeping it real" and fully realizing its "blackness" as a proud black.

This is why you must switch to proud little black letters surrounded on all sides by a pervasive, unrelenting, soul crushing, cracker bland White background. It is part of Stuff Black People Don't Like.

Further, as other posters have said, "My EYES!!!"

Anonymous said...

Rev. Dr. Swift, after reading that awesome Sarif Industries post, I am a fan for life. Good stuff.

Anonymous said...

Old-line SEC fan here. It's now easy on the eyes with a white background. Thanks.

Joel said...

Anon 12:09: "I'm about as hard-core a fiscal conservative as you'll run into but no child should go hungry in our country regardless of the sins of their parents."

And yet here you are, advocating blatant socialism. I don't think you're nearly as hardcore in your supposed fiscal conservatism as you think you are.

Anonymous said...

"I'm about as hard-core a fiscal conservative as you'll run into but no child should go hungry in our country regardless of the sins of their parents."

Not an easy answer here. The thing is, because of the inter-generational aspect of welfare dependency, the system perpetuates a permanent underclass. The children repeat the sins of their parents, and you end up with a society in which tens of millions of people are on food stamps or "free" school lunches because said parents do not want to take responsibility for their actions. The children grow up and repeat the same behaviors.

Making sure no child goes hungry would be noble, but I think it makes more sense in a society in which the underclass is actively striving to better themselves.

Anonymous said...

"a lot of poor white kids in Georgia and elsewhere receive a significant amount of their daily nutrition through free school meal programs."

It depends on how you define "a lot" and "significant".

Either put up the actual numbers, or just admit that you're full of shit.

Anonymous said...

"no child should go hungry in our country regardless of the sins of their parents."

For any parent who is unable to provide the basic nutritional requirements of their children, the children should be removed from the home and put in foster care. Perhaps by losing their children they will be less likely to continue irresponsibly procreating.

Anonymous said...

Detoilet won't hit bottom until it resembles Mogadishu or some other black-ravaged city in Africa.

wwwww said...

other web sites?

Anonymous said...

The only reason Detoilet would see a turnaround is if the blacks flee the city they destroyed and non-blacks move in and rebuild it

Anonymous said...

Joel, there is a vast difference between advocating for socialism, which I abhor, and humane charity. It's ultra-polarized, knee-jerk reactionaries like yourself which make deliberate social decision-making so difficult. I suppose you think non-white kids should be allowed to starve while poor white kids should be allowed to eat for free and that would solve more problems short and long term than it would create. If your final solution includes precipitating a race war, starving people who have nothing to lose are certain to oblige you. Either you're sadly, pitifully mistaken or I'm in the wrong place altogether.

Anon 1: On the system perpetuating a permanent underclass, that applies to poor whites as well as non-whites, just disproportionately. Lack of sufficient protein for brain development will just about guarantee failure regardless of ethnicity. Starving non-white children will only worsen our problems.

Anon 2: I spent about a decade examining the ways Georgia boards of educations used every dime of state and federal funds, all of the way down to observing the kiddies go through the cafeteria lines and verifying the existence of applications for free or reduced price meals, where required. A soldier may not be able to quantify every aspect of a war but that doesn't mean his observations are "full of shit." I'm sure if you're sufficiently interested, there are plenty of statistics on white and non-white poverty throughout the SE and the federal program law is available on-line for the criteria being used. The Devil, as always, is in the details - it boils down to whether you really want to face him.

As always, much to think about on this site.

Best

Silent Running said...

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Firefox 7 works fine here. For those still using IE, here's your chance to change over.

The New York Times published an article saying that young, innovative white people (Stuff White People Like whites) were beginning to move into The Motor City, hilariously stating that these student loan debt-laden, liberal arts degree holding, latte swigging, Apple product hoarding, bike-riding goofs will be the saviors of the city.

Ahhhh ha ha ha ha ha! Classic.

Amarilloan said...

I didn't realize Detroit has a black pop of 700k!

Just thinking about 700,000 Africans in one area

is beyond comprehension. BRA has one hellova

welfare net to keep that many inmates corralled

fed.

Silent Running said...

Black Superhero Arrested

Anonymous said...

Here are a couple of sites with maps of chronically economically distressed areas of Georgia, with the turf split between the Ga Dept. of Community Affairs (DCA)

http://www.dca.state.ga.us/communities/regionalism/programs/co-op.asp

and

The Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC)

http://www.arc.gov/appalachian_region/CountyEconomicStatusandDistressedAreasinAppalachia.asp

By your logic, there should be few, if any, poor white kids in the distressed counties.

I did the dishes and mulled this over and thought it was strange that I would have to defend something so basic as feeding hungry children. I came to the conclusion that some people come here because they are consumed with hatred and are looking for a place to disgorge their excesses while others come here because they perceive an impending crisis because of insurmountable ethnic and cultural differences and the burden a dysfunctional minority is placing on a more functional majority.

Anonymous said...

Check out Detroitiscrap.com

Indianapolis said...

Again, I suggest you delete the nav bar at the top of the page.

The nav bar screams "amateur". Once deleted, you blogger site looks like a "real" web site.

Google for instructions.

YIH said...

In many areas its a criminal offence to feed dangerous wild animals such as Alligators and Bears.
It hinders their ability to fend for themselves and removes their fear of humans.
Please stop feeding the dangerous wild animals.

Anonymous said...

"Here are a couple of sites with maps of chronically economically distressed areas of Georgia"

So what? If your point is that Georgia has poor areas, no one is disagreeing.

"I came to the conclusion that some people come here because they are consumed with hatred"

Ahhh, The Race Card! How original!!

Obviously, when any white person resents the fact that the government confiscates their pay in order to subsidize atrocious, irresponsible negro behavior, they are clearly "consumed with hatred"...it must be RACISM.

Brilliant.

Anonymous said...

"By your logic, there should be few, if any, poor white kids in the distressed counties."

What "logic" is that?

I must have missed that part.

Rev. Dr,. Swift said...

@Hungry Kid Feeding Anonymous:

You talking to white people. You know white people hate starving children. Hell, white people like to starve children directly by lowering taxes, and working for profit.

YIH said...

Agreed with Indianapolis; Ditch the navbar.
It's quite easy. You can also replace that orange 'B' as well (and you already have the perfect icon to replace it).
IIRC you can do that in the Blogger Dashboard now.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for doing important work. & thank you hard core fiscal conservative for your good point about why 100% get free lunch - however, i think poor people should be charged MORE for lunch - otherwise we're rewarding them for being poor, when we should be punishing their ineptness & rewarding competence:) if we charge them more, they won't want to admit they're poor & maybe become ashamed of it! - you're nicer than i am!

Laz said...

Whaaat? Detroit gets spanked by the Rangers. hahahahahahahahahahaha

Jay Santos said...

Anonymous said...
"The only reason Detoilet would see a turnaround is if the blacks flee the city they destroyed and non-blacks move in and rebuild it"

Well, if you've been paying attention, NYC Mayor Bloomberg made just such a suggestion on 5/1/11. Bloomberg said “If I were the federal government, assuming you could wave a magic wand and pull everybody together, you pass a law letting immigrants come in as long as they agree to go to Detroit and live there for five or ten years.” Seriously.

Anonymous said...

If you want to encourage poor people to procreate, the best way to do so would be to subsidize their behavior, ala Unicef rice to Africa. Conversly if you want to discourage behavior you should tax it, either by direct taxation or by simply allowing low iq behavior to be it's own punishment. It's bleeding hearts like you who have created BRA to begin with. Let them rise or fall based on their own efforts, that's all I ask, and all it would take to end BRA.

YIH said...

Remember ''It's free Swipe yo EBT''? It's back to be interviewed bragging about it. *shakes head*

Joel said...

Anon 2:10: "Making sure no child goes hungry would be noble..."

It would be noble, if he were talking about his own money. Of course anon 12:09, like all socialists, wants to be "noble" with other people's money.

W74 said...

"If you want to encourage poor people to procreate, the best way to do so would be to subsidize their behavior, ala Unicef rice to Africa. Conversly if you want to discourage behavior you should tax it, either by direct taxation or by simply allowing low iq behavior to be it's own punishment. It's bleeding hearts like you who have created BRA to begin with. Let them rise or fall based on their own efforts, that's all I ask, and all it would take to end BRA."

Ding Ding Ding. Holy Shyt folks, we have a winning comment here.

THIS is literally what Whites across America have been saying for DECADES. The comment is the most accurate way I've ever heard our feelings about destructive black behavior described.

Let them sink or swim on their own. Let them nourish or malnourish on their own (btw, no one will save us if a famine happened in the US). Let them house their own families on their own terms. Let them acquire jobs based on their own merit (I'd hire a black person without a criminal record to do work it was proven they were capable of).

Whites don't hate black people. That would be like hating a dog for humping people's legs or hating a cat for scratching a post or a horse for shytting wherever it pleases. We just aren't happy about their behavior when it's allowed/FORCED to occur near or among innocent Whites and innocent White families. We also dislike the fact that we are quite literally subsidizing them to expand and multiply and encouraging their detrimental behavior.

The Elector of Saxony said...

Anon 2:10, how about the parents of those poor children nobly provide for them? I see welfare parents in my neighborhood WalMart, hanging around the parks with their huge broods, having about them the obvious look of people who have never held a job in their lives. (And they ain't lookin'!) Why can't we hold THEM responsible for impulsively bringing children into the world without the slightest willingness to work to support them?

More accountability is what's wanted, not more handouts. The reason almost every public school kid is on free lunch is because their families have been on the free lunch-free life program for generations. My grandparents went without so their kids could have what they needed. It kept their family of a manageable size, and it kept them working every day, all day. We need many more parents who fear that they and their families will go hungry if they don't work every day, not more parents relying on taxpayer handouts to do what they have the legal and moral obligation to do themselves. I have no problem with Charity; but it should come from the Churches or well-meaning individuals on a voluntary basis. It shouldn't be forced out the hands of hardworking people, many of whom don't live as well as the welfare families they support.

mr_evergreen said...

"The only reason Detoilet would see a turnaround is if the blacks flee the city they destroyed and non-blacks move in and rebuild it"

So what you're saying is that Blacks are a failed race and can never amount to anything.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Evergreen: It depends on how you define "failed". As Dr. Rev. Swift points out, blacks accomplish their goals because their goals are destruction, unaccountability, and to generally live as blacks in Africa live. Sure, some individual blacks may not have these goals, but the vast majority of the race do. Until blacks redefine for themselves what "success" is, it will continue to be so. Detroit is as the population wants it to be.

Call Me Ishmael said...

Fiscal Conservative back again.

Against my better judgment, I'm going to take another kick at the tar baby (Br'er Rabbit reference). Some of the responses to my comments warrant a reply.

Paul chose not to post one of my comments yesterday which, while it may have been inflammatory, might have shed more light on my point of view.

First, I spent more than a decade in Georgia state government, much of it tracking every dime of federal and state money which flowed through county school boards, right down to watching the little kiddies go through the cafeteria lines and reviewing applications for free and reduced price meals. The purpose of the maps I referenced was to show how many counties are considered chronically poor. In those counties are multitudes of white children receiving free lunches. My question was this: would you feed poor white children and let poor black children starve? It's unlikely you're going to be able to re-segregate schools at this point. If you would let the little pequeninos (means "little ones" and is the origin of "pickannies") starve, do you realize that children who are deprived of the necessary proteins and fats are going to be biologically, socially, and emotionally disadvantaged out of the gate because their brains cannot develop normally? In addition to the severe cultural disadvantages black children face, this would guarantee they become an even greater burden on society. Ultimately it comes down to how you see this problem playing out. In response to a couple of comments, it also hinges on whether you regard them as human at all.

I'm all for personal responsibility and motivating people to do for themselves but children by definition lack the capacity to make rational decisions, especially when they have no choice but to view their world as normal.

I despise our steady drift towards socialism from Johnson forward and believe charity is a personal matter. I believe anyone 18 and older receiving government support should be made to work in any capacity which benefits the society they burden. That said, I wouldn't watch a dog starve, much less a child.

Anonymous said...

"So what you're saying is that Blacks are a failed race and can never amount to anything."

Definitely a failed race.

Whether or not they can ever amount to anything is debatable...possible, but unlikely.

Anonymous said...

"My question was this: would you feed poor white children and let poor black children starve?"

I disagree with your premise that children will "starve" without free school lunches. Food stamps can be used to buy peanut butter and bread.

When I was a kid, there were no free lunches, and miraculously, no one starved.

"In response to a couple of comments, it also hinges on whether you regard them as human at all."

Please cite the comments that "regard" black children as something other than human.

I must've missed those.

mr_evergreen said...

"Definitely a failed race.

Whether or not they can ever amount to anything is debatable...possible, but unlikely"

I have no reason to believe this. When people look it as "Blacks are a failed race", this is essentially what is being said: "Blacks are inferior and aren't fit to exist on this earth". That is basically what is being said.

I think of things on an individual level. I think of how individuals get affected. If the individual might suffer, there needs to be a plan to make sure the people who cause trouble get punished accordingly and let the individuals flourish. There is no reason a Black individual who wants to flourish shouldn't flourish just because a few of his compatriots are acting like fools.

In its current condition, Detroit is no place for anyone who wants to be a success, Black or White, unless educated Black and White individuals want to rebuild Detroit. Detroit was a working class city that attracted Black migrants from the South specifically for the automobile jobs. Not alot of education involved. There was a time when a person could drop out of school and get a job on the assembly line. That time ended in the 1960's. Blacks in Detroit had the highest percentage of its population working in factories. It is also important to note that Whites from the South also migrated to Detroit for the factory jobs. When times got bad, many went back to the South. However, Blacks were leaving the South to get away from Jim Crow, something Whites didn't have to worry about. It was a situation of seeking employment/being a refugee. The Blacks who left Detroit and went back to the South were mainly the educated and they went to Atlanta and Charlotte. It's a matter of "why do the uneducated, poor Blacks states and educated Blacks DON'T stay".

mr_evergreen said...

"As Dr. Rev. Swift points out, blacks accomplish their goals because their goals are destruction, unaccountability, and to generally live as blacks in Africa live. Sure, some individual blacks may not have these goals, but the vast majority of the race do. Until blacks redefine for themselves what "success" is, it will continue to be so. Detroit is as the population wants it to be"

Actually, the goal of the majority of Blacks is not destruction. Those persons who destroy things do so because they DON'T have goals. So it boils down to this question for me: What do to about African-Americans whose goal is to be a contributor to society, to be educated, to make money, to help other people? You can't punish those persons because they haven't done anything wrong. You can punish criminals because they are the ones destroying things. And it doesn't come from being bent on destruction, but a nihilistic mentality that says "I'm going to get mine and forget everyone else, so I don't care what gets destroyed as long as I get what I want". Why do you think Black people who are goal-oriented and who want to do better in life leave Detroit, never to return?

Robert Marchenoir said...

Mr. Evergreen : to one's according to one's merits (as opposed to "needs", or whatever is mandated by affirmative action) is not "punishing".

White flight is not "punishing" Blacks. Whites doing so are exercising their God-given right to live among peaceful and like-minded people.

Who's talking about punishing ?

Joel said...

Ishmael: "In response to a couple of comments, it also hinges on whether you regard them as human at all."

Who, exactly, has called into question the humanity of anyone? Please cite the specific posts.

Ishmael: "I despise our steady drift towards socialism from Johnson forward and believe charity is a personal matter."

Funny how you say "Johnson forward." What about FDR? You don't like the Great Society but you're fine and dandy with the New Deal? Interesting.

You're a fake, Ishmael. Far from being a "hardcore fiscal conservative," you've proven yourself to be a liberal. Only liberals advocate socialism, engage in ridiculous scaremongering (children will starve!), and accuse racial realists of denying the humanity of non-whites.

If you want to be a liberal and socialist, fine. But don't then lie and say you're a conservative in any way.

B. Herder said...

Although the MSM would like you to believe otherwise about Detroit, all one has to do is watch a few episodes of 'Hardcore Pawn' ... (TRU TV)
I'm sure the bickering between the brother/sister is all 'show' but ... The customers however (Almost all negros) ... You can't script that. Especially for Those Who Can See and know how negros act. You can watch that and nod your head KNOWING, it's just how they are and what it's like.
Video's are worth a million words...

Anonymous said...

@ Evergreen

" There is no reason a Black individual who wants to flourish shouldn't flourish just because a few of his compatriots are acting like fools."

You have to be kidding, right??? A FEW OF HIS COMPATRIOTS, really???
This statement alone just goes to show how disconnected from reality you are, poor fool.
The VAST MAJORITY of your compatriots not only act like fools in such great number, they act like highly dangerous fools. How can you keep a straight face while stating such fallacy? You need to get out of your mom's basement, and look at what's taking place in the REAL WORLD with regards to Black's every day violent behavior.

Discard said...

If an individual or city or county or state wishes to feed its poor, that's their business. It's also their business to set any requirements they choose for receiving such aid. Those that are too generous to the worthless will find themselves inundated with them, to the benefit of the rest of us. But it is not the business of the Federal government to feed anybody but the armed forces or disabled veterans.

Zenster said...

Anonymous (October 10, 2011 12:09 PM): I'm about as hard-core a fiscal conservative as you'll run into but no child should go hungry in our country regardless of the sins of their parents.

Who pays for all that food? As Joel et al noted, subsidizing parental irresponsibility is a recipe for disaster. Removing emotional inhibitors like watching your children slowly starve to death guarantees even more immature behavior in an already infantile-minded Black population.

Like so many Liberal Socialist policies, The Law if Unintended Consequences™ looms large. How many welfare queens will spawn even more hordes of junior thugs now that feeding them is just that much cheaper?

Zenster said...

Anonymous (October 10, 2011 2:32 PM): For any parent who is unable to provide the basic nutritional requirements of their children, the children should be removed from the home and put in foster care. Perhaps by losing their children they will be less likely to continue irresponsibly procreating.

Like most theories, yours looks better on paper than it does in real life. Let's consider exactly who ends up providing all that "foster care". Yup, White folks. Who else has all the disposable income to perform such a saintly task? More importantly, government subsidy of all that extra food or foster care would come from where? White people's taxes, of course. Of even greater significance is the insanity of White people perpetuating Black gene lines at their own expense. That goes beyond stupid. Whites need to be taking care of White babies. Period.

Let's face it, Blacks are not going to be lining up to take part in the exceptionally demanding role of foster parent. The illegitimacy rate and absentee father factor among Blacks is solid proof of this.

Harsh as it may be, it's better to leave Blacks to their own form of population control. Namely, abortion and murder. I'm not real happy to suggest such a thing but White America must not, cannot and should not take on even a single extra ounce of White Man's Burden.

Doing so just rewards Black vampires with yet one more unearned victory.

There is a reason why life expectancy is so low in urban Black areas.

It's nature's way of penalizing endemic stupidity. Remember; Black on Black crime chlorinates the exact gene pool that needs it most. The number of Einsteins we're missing out on is negligible compared to how many Troy Davis copycats are being culled from the ranks of Black criminality and society in general.

Sadly, by not containing the situation better, there is a lot of collateral damage in the form of White rape victims and so on. Unfortunately, it's just another segment of the Darwinian learning curve that White society must experience as it is behaviorally modified to avoid Black undertow like it once did with the Black Plague.

Pavlov, does that name ring a bell?

As an epilogue, please don't think I enjoy pointing out all these harsh realities. However, one massively sad fact is that advances in agribusiness, modern medicine and even odd items like bulk water purification are allowing a huge portion of normally non-viable gene lines to survive where they once would have perished in short order.

If you want one of the most hardcore examples of nature at work in this way, look at the spread of HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa. It will likely denude that continent of over 25% of its human population.

Three and five year-olds are being raped because of folklore myths that say sex with a virgin will cure AIDS. Got that? No matter how cruel it sounds, it's incredibly difficult to believe that such a devastaing outcome is a bad thing. Africa is one gigantic continent-sized FAIL!

We are defeating all sorts of built-in natural limiters that once regulated the survival of unproductive phenotypes.

By doing so, we have shifted the balance of tax consumers and tax producers in a very bad way. Welfare is just a smidgen of that equation. Prison costs, taxpayer funded surgeries for gang members wounded in shootouts, public education dragged down to the worst performing student … those are just a few examples of the penalties we pay for defeating nature's elimination of dysfunctional strains.

Zenster said...

Anonymous (October 10, 2011 2:58 PM): Detoilet won't hit bottom until it resembles Mogadishu or some other black-ravaged city in Africa.

From what I saw in the video, doesn't it look like that already?

If not, just let Detroit's Muslim population get a firmer grip with shari'a law and it will look like the Dark Continent in no time.

Zenster said...

Anonymous (October 10, 2011 3:12 PM): The only reason Detoilet would see a turnaround is if the blacks flee the city they destroyed and non-blacks move in and rebuild it

Proof of this lies in how even the Wall Street Journal's article about economic revival in Michigan relied almost entirely upon White-run enterprises.

Where are the Black entrepreneurs and philanthropists ― an oxymoron that almost ranks with "Muslim integrity" ― who are pouring gazillions of dollars into rejuvenating the dried up husk of Motor City?

Oh, wait. That's White Man's obligation, ain't it?

Swallow that whoremongrous lie and Affirmative Action seems like the easy-to-swallow placebo it was always meant to be.

Zenster said...

Anonymous [Best] (October 10, 2011 3:38 PM): Lack of sufficient protein for brain development will just about guarantee failure regardless of ethnicity. Starving non-white children will only worsen our problems.

Protein is the most expensive food commodity. Where is the price support for it supposed to come from? Money taken away from prison systems guarantee that criminals will ravage our population in the slow attempt to foster less malnutrined minds within the minority population.

Do you really see any sort of win in that? How can we afford to let criminal elements savage our society while sheltering under the hope that, somehow, better fed minority bodies will miraculously manage to avoid criminal nurturing and magically become productive citizens?

I refer you to: Magical Thinking.

Read that article and then explain to me how in Hell you think that insanely expensive school lunch programs will inhibit juvenile criminality to a sufficient degree whereby Whites will overcome the flood tide of "cultural enrichment" that Multiculturalism has inflicted upon us.

Anonymous said...

There is no reason a Black individual who wants to flourish shouldn't flourish just because a few of his compatriots are acting like fools.

Mr. Evergreen (and Six Flags, from the look of you), more than "a few" of your compatriots are acting like fools. It's a good 80% if it's a one.

The best use of the neutron bomb would be to clear Detroit and Dearborn at about 3 AM and let civilized humans reclaim the territory. If you defend uncivilized humans or non-humans, you impeach yourself. They should be in prison, deported or dead.

Anonymous said...

Half of my family came from Detroit.

That was when it was a functional city... in other words, before Blacks took it over and turned it into a cesspool.

Go to hell, Evergreen. It's the only thing you can create, and the only thing you deserve.

Californian said...

Where are the Black entrepreneurs and philanthropists...

We might also ask, where are all the liberals who claim to be in favor of diversity, and who beat their breasts over America "abandoning" cities like Detroit? Why aren't these liberals moving into Detroit in order to partake of the enrichment? Why aren't liberals investing in grocery chains or schools or or factory jobs or whatever?

Well, of course, the same old hypocrisy, is it not?

Anonymous said...

So what are WE (you and I right now) going to do about it? Just wait and let the fiat currency fail and the food handouts to end? Is that the best remedy?

Anonymous said...

"Let's consider exactly who ends up providing all that "foster care". Yup, White folks."

Every entitlement the child ever receives will be provided by white tax dollars.

This was never in question.

mr_evergreen said...

"Go to hell, Evergreen. It's the only thing you can create, and the only thing you deserve"

How ignorant of a comment. You don't know anything about me and you are cursing me? I might disagree, but when have I ever insulted anyone or called anyone names?

Anonymous said...

@ evergreen

" How ignorant of a comment. You don't know anything about me and you are cursing me? I might disagree, but when have I ever insulted anyone or called anyone names? "

No, Evergreen you're the ignorant one! Stop the sensitivities, you don't understand glitch and when someone points out how silly your arguments are, you get all offended! You're either ill-willed or enjoy playing thick with us, so assume the consequences when you reply with your same old tired excuses.

Anonymous said...

SBPDL: Will you tell us where we can read your other articles?

Anonymous said...

You don't know anything about me and you are cursing me?

I know that you want to enjoy the advantages of White society and civilization, but you'll do nothing at all to protect it from the Black Undertow.

A Black Undertow which you have not suggested, admitted nor even reluctantly accepted any way of distinguishing and separating from the likes of you.

In other words, you demand we accept the Black Undertow along with you.  Very well, I reject you along with the Black Undertow.  I'll keep my civilization, bequeathed to me by my ancestors.  Were you willing to throw the ghetto Blacks under the bus you would be acceptable, but since you won't allow any distinction you'll share their fate.

That's hell, Mr. Evergreen.  It's the hell that Africans in Africa, and Africans in America, live in because it is their nature.  You have chosen, unwisely.

mr_evergreen said...

"That's hell, Mr. Evergreen. It's the hell that Africans in Africa, and Africans in America, live in because it is their nature. You have chosen, unwisely"

It's not MY nature. And what other posters have suggested that in order to protect society, I can't be a member of it. Well, I'm in a precarious position. There are people who happen to be Black, who do behave like hood rats, who would reject me and eat me alive because I "act White". The Black people who did do the right things often end up leaving Black neighborhoods.

Anonymous said...

@ Evergreen

" There are people who happen to be Black, who do behave like hood rats, who would reject me and eat me alive because I "act White". The Black people who did do the right things often end up leaving Black neighborhoods. "

That's your problem not ours, really! I'm sure you'll be able to find a decent neighborhood with blacks that are civilized. Why would you feel the need to move into an all white neighborhood? Remember, we're racists and we kept your people from fully advancing because of the legacy of slavery...snif! snif!
Whining race hustlers such as yourself, certainly should remain amongst his black brothas/sistas.

October Mom said...

You all ACTUALLY made a website with this in it? You don't have enough to do..

Anonymous said...

@ October Mom

What's your point lady?

mr_evergreen said...

"Whining race hustlers such as yourself, certainly should remain amongst his black brothas/sistas"

How am I a race hustler? I'm just trying to live my life as a productive citizen of this nation.