Friday, July 15, 2011

Womb Over Again! Prison is the Safest Place for Black Males

We've heard the term 'cradle-to-grave' society before, but a new study that claims Black males are safer in prison then they are outside of a highly securitized, 24-hour surveillance holding cell where guns are constantly trained on them made us realize that Disingenuous White Liberals (DWLs) hope to erect a 'cradle-to-penitentiary' society for Black people.

In reading the study on North Carolina inmates that confirms Black males are safer in prison then they are outside the walls of state-funded correctional facilities, one realizes something sinister being peddled in the quotes of the researchers and those privy to the data. It's almost as if they advocate implementing all the lessons learned from this study of how to keep Black males alive in prison into the real-world, and it seems the researchers believe that Black males roaming free (who have a higher mortality rate) would thrive under the 'cradle-to-penitentiary' scheme:
Black men are half as likely to die at any given time if they're in prison than if they aren't, suggests a new study of North Carolina inmates.



The black prisoners seemed to be especially protected against alcohol- and drug-related deaths, as well as lethal accidents and certain chronic diseases.


But that pattern didn't hold for white men, who on the whole were slightly more likely to die in prison than outside, according to findings published in Annals of Epidemiology.


Researchers say it's not the first time a study has found lower death rates among certain groups of inmates -- particularly disadvantaged people, who might get protection against violent injuries and murder.


"Ironically, prisons are often the only provider of medical care accessible by these underserved and vulnerable Americans," said Hung-En Sung of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.


"Typically, prison-based care is more comprehensive than what inmates have received prior to their admission," Sung, who wasn't involved in the new study, told Reuters Health by email.


The new study involved about 100,000 men between age 20 and 79 who were held in North Carolina prisons at some point between 1995 and 2005. Sixty percent of those men were black.


Researchers linked prison and state health records to determine which of the inmates died, and of what causes, during their prison stay. Then they compared those figures with expected deaths in men of the same age and race in the general population.


Less than one percent of men died during incarceration, and there was no difference between black and white inmates. But outside prison walls, blacks have a higher rate of death at any given age than whites.


"What's very sad about this is that if we are able to all of a sudden equalize or diminish these health inequalities that you see by race inside a place like prison, it should also be that in places like a poor neighborhood we should be able to diminish these sort of inequities," said Evelyn Patterson, who studies correctional facilities at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee.


"If it can be done (in prison), then certainly it can happen outside of prison," Patterson, who wasn't linked to the new work, told Reuters Health.


As in the general population, cancer and heart and blood vessel diseases were the most common cause of death among inmates -- accounting for more than half of deaths.


White prisoners died of cardiovascular diseases as often as expected and died of cancer slightly more often than non-prisoners.


Black inmates, by contrast, were between 30 and 40 percent less likely to die of those causes than those who weren't incarcerated. They were also less likely to die of diabetes, alcohol- and drug-related causes, airway diseases, accidents, suicide and murder than black men not in prison.


All told, their risk of death at any age was only half that of men living in the community.


For white men, the overall death rate was slightly higher -- by about 12 percent -- than in the general population, with some of that attributed to higher rates of death from infection, including HIV and hepatitis. When the researchers broke prisoners up by age, death rates were only higher for white prisoners age 50 and older.


"For some populations, being in prison likely provides benefits in regards to access to healthcare and life expectancy," said study author Dr. David Rosen, from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.


But, he added in an email, "it's important to remember that there are many possible negative consequences of imprisonment -- for example, broken relationships, loss of employment opportunities, and greater entrenchment in criminal activity -- that are not reflected in our study findings but nevertheless have an important influence on prisoners' lives and their overall health."


For Rosen, one of the main messages from the study is the need to make the world outside of prison walls safer, and to make sure people living there have adequate access to healthcare.

Calling prisoners "underserved and vulnerable Americans" is disgusting and highlights the irrational thinking that deludes DWLs and showcases why our society -- run in every sector by individuals professing an undying allegiance to 'progressive' ideology -- is so fucked. But it was Patterson's quote that had us pissed, as she said:
What's very sad about this is that if we are able to all of a sudden equalize or diminish these health inequalities that you see by race inside a place like prison, it should also be that in places like a poor neighborhood we should be able to diminish these sort of inequities," said Evelyn Patterson, who studies correctional facilities at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. 
"If it can be done (in prison), then certainly it can happen outside of prison," Patterson, who wasn't linked to the new work, told Reuters Health.
Equalize or diminish health inequalities by forcing those who actually produce for society, play by the rules and abide the law to provide for everyone who doesn't? Is Patterson advocating turning poor neighborhoods into veritable prisons? Ms. Patterson, it can't be done outside of prison, because North Carolina prisons put such a strain on the state budget that many are closing. With 40,000 prisoners (23,038 Black and 14,222 white -Hispanics are counted as white- at a minimum custody cost of $64.59 a day) and a cost of $26,000 per prisoner, you can easily see that we spend $1,040,000,000 just on taking care of these prisoners each year (this number does not account for the guards salary and costs associated with maintaining a prison).

Massive budget cuts in this program are needed to try and balance the budget in North Carolina, ending the Utopian dream of making the real-world safer then the sterile prison environment that these social scientist want to see implemented immediately -- damn the costs!

Was this study necessary? With so many Black males in jail, perhaps instinctively, Black people understand that living a life where EBT/Food Stamps, Section 8 Housing, TANF/Welfare, Free Lunches in School, and free medical care -- a hospital will never turn away a shooting or stab victim -- take care of everything in the real-world is supplanted by having the opportunity to have all of these amenities behind bars.

It's been said the Womb is the most dangerous place for a Black person. It's obvious  that the safest place is prison, where Black people are constantly supervised, provided free health care and meals, the opportunity to lift weights and play basketball, and frolic in 'no homo' bliss.

In a failed effort to make America safe by erecting a 'cradle-to-penititentiary' society, we have financially doomed the nation. It's time for Atlas to shrug.

The researchers also seem to believe that crime would go-away in the Black community if the 'cradle-to-penititentiary' plan were put in place tomorrow. Remember that in prison, police officers can use excessive force to keep uncontrollable Black inmates in line and that officers training high-powered weapons at Black people while they eat, participate in recreational events and shower is a fact of life in prison.

Is this what they are advocating for the real-world as well?

84 comments:

Anonymous said...

OTOH, animal prisons are not so great in deepest BRA:
http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2011/07/15/memphis-animal-shelter-threatens-to-remove-webcams-close-meetings-to-public/
"Your city’s animal control shelter is involved in a high-profile animal cruelty bust, and your mayor, in a fit of civic outrage, pledges “ultimate transparency” at the agency from now on. He hires a new director and installs webcams in the back areas of the building, so the public can see just what’s going on."

"Unfortunately, the public doesn’t like what it sees — animals being handled abusively and in violation of regulation, dogs and cats being hauled into holding areas and never being put up for adoption at all, pet after pet vanishing into the kill room despite rescuers clamoring to take them, and more."

"That’s the situation in Memphis, Tenn..."

Playing Roots Backwards said...

I believe it is time for all of us to add our voices to the screams calling for freedom for our dark little brothers.

FREE THE BLACKS! FREE THE BLACKS! FREE THE BLACKS!

Anonymous said...

Further proof that negroes were better off under slavery.

Anonymous said...

"Race does not exist" mentality in 1875:
http://books.google.com/books?id=pT8OAAAAIAAJ

p.10
"In Mississippi alone did I find politicians
silly enough to talk about the Caucasian race, and the natural incapacity of the negro for self-government ; and even there the best Republicans told me that these noisy Democratic demagogues were but a small,though aggressive and not unpowerful, minority."

Discard said...

Blacks do not function well in a free White society. "Civil rights" freed them from the guiding hand of Jim Crow, to sink or swim, and most sank. In the future, that will be recognized as one of the most gratuitously cruel acts in our history.

Anonymous said...

I hope that Michelle Bachmann tosses this soundbite out there in addition to the other "Hate Fact" that blacks were more likely to be raised by 2 parents under slavery than in modern times. That really got the libs angry.

Theoderic

Anonymous said...

"and frolic in 'no homo' bliss."

Thank God I've never been to prison but I do know a few people who have. A Hispanic guy told me that all the blacks - every single one - engage in gay sex while in prison.

In fact, that is why Hispanics and whites often form alliances in prison - to ward off black rape gangs.

What the hell is wrong with these people?

Anonymous said...

Prison is simply just another way (albeit a more severe one)in which many blacks are supported and maintained by the state.

Anonymous said...

FORGET AL QAEDA ... THE BIGGEST THREAT TO AMERICA IS, UNDENIABLY, THE PROLIFERATION OF ITS BLACK CRIMINAL CLASS.

Robert Marchenoir said...

"These underserved and vulnerable Americans."

Since when an American is supposed to be "served" ? And by whom ?

I thought slavery had been abolished.

~AV~ said...

DISTRICT 9...

Anonymous said...

I would rather have my hard-earned tax dollars go towards prisons in which blacks are kept happily away from me than towards supporting their procreation outside of prison where they use my money to then wreak havoc on my neighborhood, murder my family and undermine my school and every public park within view

Anonymous said...

We brought 'em over in chains, and four hundred years later, they end up in cages ....

What does that tell you about Africans?

Robert Marchenoir said...

Paul,

You told us we would be hearing about you on V. Dare. Anything coming ? Would that be on their blog, or on the main site ?

Anonymous said...

"It's been said the Womb is the most dangerous place for a Black person. It's obvious that the safest place is prison, where Black people are constantly supervised, provided free health care and meals, the opportunity to lift weights and play basketball, and frolic in 'no homo' bliss."

The study didn't say 'black people'...

"Is Patterson advocating turning poor neighborhoods into veritable prisons?"

That's a strawman. She didn't say that and she definitely wouldn't advocate putting blacks and poor people in prison to give them good healthcare. Think Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. If the government makes an effort to keep those alleged 'terrorists' alive and in perfect enough health in hopes to squeeze them for information, they can EASILY do comfortably less but much better than what Medicaid can do for, say, every poor child under 18. We need universal healthcare for everyone under the poverty line and ALL children under 18.

"Calling prisoners "underserved and vulnerable Americans" is disgusting"

Is it really? We all know that the more well-off you are, the less likely you are to break the law (or at least go to jail for it) or die from illness. If they were better served (not thrown away or labeled), they wouldn't be in jail.

Anonymous said...

Blacks do not function well in a free Black society. Anyone know of any free grey society?

Anonymous said...

Thank God I've never been to prison but I do know a few people who have. A Hispanic guy told me that all the blacks - every single one - engage in gay sex while in prison.

A longtime family friend of ours has worked for our state DOC for over 30 years. He's close to retirement now actually. He told me a similar thing about all the "down low bruvvas" that have been in the cell blocks which he has supervised over the years.

Not only did his correctional staff on the cell blocks have to keep track of each inmate's gang affiliation to avoid fighting and violence from erupting when rival gang bangers got too close to each other, but they also often had to play relationship counselor to these black "couples" when they had their lover's quarrels and put in transfer requests for new cellmates. Sometimes, the transfer requests by some black inmates would result in violence by the black inmate's spurned lover, who felt threatened by the breakup of the relationship.

RobbieC said...

I blogged about this story earlier today, too. Where I also noted:

Out on the streets, black men are the leading cause of death among young blacks (not lack of health care). Based on a 96 page report on the causes of premature death by the CDC, the leading cause of death among young blacks of both sexes are black men.(http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_05.pdf)

Homicide is the leading cause of death among black men aged 15-34 years, which spans three age categories:

"For nearly all teenagers, accidents are the most common cause of death, a national study has found.

Yet for black males ages 12 to 19 years old, homicide eclipses accidents as the leading cause of death, according to a U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released Wednesday. That troubling statistic — or, more accurately, the deeper problems underlying it — is garnering some local attention. Advocates say dramatic action is needed."

In other words, the best way to keep young black men from dying early is to lock them up so they can’t kill each other. There is nothing not sad about this.

And the opposite is true for whites, who have a lower life expectancy in prison than out.

Anonymous said...

"If they were better served (not thrown away or labeled), they wouldn't be in jail."

Better served?? WTF does that mean, Desiree?
Thrown away??? WTF does that mean, Desiree?

What are you asking the white man to do now? How can we better serve the black man? A fourth free meal each day? Scientific brain learning via osmosis? Lobotomy? Lab experiments on black men? Remove all black children from the home and have them raise by smart, responsible white couples instead? You are one crazy black bitch! Please give us examples of what the white man must do to uplift the black man and prevent him from expressing his natural criminality.

I am not sure what sort of black victimology you are ranting this time, but you must just be insane.

I have a better idea. Leave the black man alone and let the chips fall where they may, just like the old dead white men used to say. They were right, you know. We are hindering natural selection whenever we help the blacks to exist. Their existence in the first world is not sustainable, and the population must be reduced.

Midwestern said...

Gettin' ready for the Black Expo this weekend. Police are EVERYWHERE but it won't help. The "teen" who shot several people last year downtown got a nice plea deal. The local black "clergy" say it is not enough and send the wrong message to local blacks and black gangs.

Citizens of our fair state must buckle down for the dark storm passing through. I already suspect a huge cover up of the shootings, rapes, muggings and gang violence in Indianapolis this weekend. Many white businesses are shutting down at 5PM to avoid the marauding black mobs. Curfew is in effect. Welcome to the new Jim Crow, Indiana.

Sad, so sad that blacks cannot behave themselves like civilized humans when allowed to congregate unsupervised. So sad that our tax-payers and decent citizens must lock their doors after dark and lose money and business. So sad that we waste time and money in celebration of a culture of criminality, illegitimacy, dependency, anti-intellectualism, dysfunction and violence.

What is there to celebrate about black culture?

Anonymous said...

What does 'underserved' mean, exactly? I assume it would be advantageous to make these people 'better served' for the betterment of society.

"You are one crazy black bitch!"

Huh?

"Please give us examples of what the white man must do to uplift the black man and prevent him from expressing his natural criminality."

SBPDL stated it best some time ago and someone reiterated it in a nice little nutshell:

"And, as Paul has pointed out, when our economic decline utimately pulls the rugs out from under the massive government employed black middle class, things are likely to get a hell of a lot worse."

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/06/this-is-black-world-from-akron-to.html?showComment=1309226825139#c5613096546944631083

See? SBPDL and one of your fellows stated that a middle class existence is what separates blacks (and all people) from criminality, a middle class existence with access to opportunities, safety, and comfort that is unknown and unavailable to poor people.

So, if you want to prevent and/or end crime, you have to erase poverty, although crime is going down nicely.

By the way, all humans are naturally criminal. It's just that if you have more money and more opportunities (and sometimes the right skin color), you are less likely to get caught/punished when you express those natural tendencies (celebs vs. mere mortals; cocaine vs. crack legislation) and/or you are more likely to have those tendencies suppressed via economics.

Anonymous said...

Ret'd LAPD here. I have to say, when blacks went to jail or prison, it chilled them out. There was more order to their lives, courtesy of guards and deputies. They didn't thrive while incarcerated but it was a regimented routine that they didn't know while on the streets. Left in their own miasma, you never knew what would cause the next rampage. I don't think the blacks knew either, they just did it with the same sudden urge we have to grab a coffee or ice cream.

As for prisons, I really wish we could outsource housing the ultra violent to China. And I am deadly serious. These prisoners cannot have physical contact with visitors, so they are not out anything. Put them in a cell surrounded by no nonsense guards, led by a Sergeant who can speak reasonable English. Prisoners can wear multi color armbands with various colors denoting a specific need, like red for a medical matter. A prisoner points to the color and the guard knows he needs to go to the infirmary. Their cells can have a small in-wall LCD monitor for online visits and American news. Food will be along the health and caloric guidelines that our jails and prisons have to abide by now. It would be cheaper to do this in China than build more prisons here even though it would create jobs. The downside of that is no one wants a prison of any level in their environs.

I used to talk about this among other cops and everyone supported it. How awesome it would be to not see the same douchebag parolees stalking the streets yet again.

Anonymous said...

"Remove all black children from the home and have them raise by smart, responsible white couples instead?"

I have no problem with trans-racial adoption. Any child should go to the first available good home and we know that there are more black and mulatto babies needing to be adopted than white babies and white people are the main people looking to adopt in this country. White people want white babies because they don't want other whites to look down on them for adopting black babies.

My first choice, of course, would be to get loving African mothers to take care of black children. African immigrants become highly intelligent and capable members of US society.

Let's ship thousands of beautiful and loving African mothers into the US and give them lower class black babies to care for. Also, African fathers are very, very strict, kind of like Asian fathers, and would be good for most any black child in the US...

Anonymous said...

As my grandfather used to say: Put all blacks on an island with knives at one end and liquor at the other end, and let nature take its course.

Van said...

"See? SBPDL and one of your fellows stated that a middle class existence is what separates blacks (and all people) from criminality, a middle class existence with access to opportunities, safety, and comfort that is unknown and unavailable to poor people. "

You've missed the point completely. The black middle class would be nearly non-existent if not for the various affirmative action, set aside, and other programs - particularly government hiring. Essentially, white taxpayers are being extorted to reduce black crime.

That being said, even after adjusting for income, black crime rates are still much higher than white crime rates - including white collar crime. In other words, middle class blacks are still much more criminal than middle class whites.

The sad truth is that the majority of blacks simply cannot support themselves in a modern society - they must resort to crime or handouts (including education and jobs that they aren't qualified for). If the unearned money that comes with government (and private sector AA) jobs ends, many will resort back to crime.

The point of the statement you quoted was that white societies can create a middle class existence - black societies cannot. And when the bribery of AA, set asides, and do-nothing government jobs comes to an end, we will see a reversion to simple street criminality. From one form of theft to another.

Discard said...

Anon at 5:43 PM: The reason that taking the government jobs away from "middle class" Blacks will cause an increase in crime is that they are not really middle class. Do laid off White government employees turn to carjacking or drug dealing? Very few, because that sort of White riffraff are very rarely hired for middle class jobs. OTOH, the Black middle class is synthetic, a creation of affirmative action. Their ability and values are not middle class, they are simply inferior people who have been given an employment subsidy. That's why the average Black who makes $75K has a lower credit rating than the average White who makes $35K. Take away that high paying job that he's never known how to do properly anyway, and watch him go nuts.

Diacard said...

Anon at 5:57 PM: Do the thousands of beautiful and loving African mothers already in the U.S. adopt lower class Black babies? No. they don't. Why then import more Africans who won't take care of lower class Black babies either?

Anonymous said...

"Remove all black children from the home and have them raise by smart, responsible white couples instead?"

Doesn't work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

Anonymous said...

"We need universal healthcare for everyone under the poverty line and ALL children under 18."

Please think of some new material, or better yet, just shut the fuck up.

Anonymous said...

"Let's ship thousands of beautiful and loving African mothers into the US and give them lower class black babies to care for."

Let's ship these black babies to Africa where the "beautiful" African mothers can care for them?

"So, if you want to prevent and/or end crime, you have to erase poverty, although crime is going down nicely."

There is no correlation between crime and poverty. Poor Asians commit almost no crime. Middle class blacks commit tons of crime.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous (desiree) at 5:43

The "Black Middle Class" is fictional. It is government jobs. Without government jobs, blacks would work minimum wage, or not at all.

It is not the white man's responsibility to supply blacks with middle class wages paid by the white taxpayer.

Middle class blacks still commit more crime than middle class or poor whites.

There is simply no way for whites to change black people, they will always be criminals, they will always expect to be given a handout, whether it be welfare or a cushy government job they can't be fired from.

Blacks need tough love, they need to be kicked to the curb. The strong will survive, the rest will starve.

Sick & Tired.

Anonymous said...

I have done a little "sociology and it' effects" project to just to give me problems to work on.

The conclusion is they must leave, all 35 million. It's not our problem anymore, whine, whine, whine, it's expected. But were not Mother Teresa of the world, were on a US leper colony, and if they stay here it will infect all of us.

There wont be a shred of Americana left that I will be able to pass to my children because of this and immigration failures.

Anonymous said...

Most if not all blacks should all be deported to Africa. Keeping them in prison doesn't work. Abortions don't work. Poverty doesn't work. DEPORTATION and SEPARATION is the ONLY solution. Most of us need to understand how deep we are in this mess. "Decreasing" doesn't work. We need to severely decrease them or limit their influence through either separation or deportation.

Anonymous said...

There is a white couple on my street raising 3 black children. I am not exaggerating by any means. Their kids are all under 6 years old. I want to print this entire site out and put it on their doorstep so badly, but I know they would just put it in the recycling bin.

Theoderic

Anonymous said...

Ret LAPD, My friend had a similar but better idea. We build those offshore prisons in Africa. Send these cannibals back to where they belong.

Anonymous said...

Remove all black children from the home and have them raise by smart, responsible white couples instead?

Removing all will not work but in exceptional cases like Michael Oher it does.

So, if you want to prevent and/or end crime, you have to erase poverty

Fe schizzle ma nizzle bud we dun luf r huds!

Dissident said...

"So, if you want to prevent and/or end crime, you have to erase poverty"

BS! Many people in my area live in poverty and they're NOT criminals. They are ethical, poor white AND black people that are the working poor, but they're not criminals.

It's all about attitude or what could be better titled "Blatitude". Paul, you can use that one if you wish.

Blatitude. Black attitude in action.

Anonymous said...

The separation of blacks from what YOU all deem as 'black criminality' is at least a middle class existence. In other words, poverty and its stresses (for example, increases in addictive behaviors, such as drug and alcohol use -- note: many people in prison committed their crimes while on drugs or for drugs, etc.) AND crime are invariably linked.

End poverty, end crime. That simple.

The 'Black Middle Class' is not an artificial construct maintained by white people. I can admit that perhaps governmental helps got the ball rolling but only insofar as these 'helps' significantly curtailed discriminatory hiring practices.

Affirmative Action has benefited white women more than any other group, not to mention the whole tripe about AA bumping out qualified people is old, tired, and stupid with no basis in anything but, "They took our jobs," jealousy. Government job creation by FDR was to get people working during the Depression and if intelligent liberals see/saw that blacks need(ed) jobs, these jobs will become open for them.

Government jobs does not maintain a black middle class, as not every black works for the government.

And, yes, the reason some blacks financially in the middle class break the law is because they are not middle class, they just have the income. I've said this repeatedly. But there is no argument, is there, about middle class blacks committing crime significantly less than blacks in poverty. If you were raised middle class, especially if it's multi-generational, you will have a middle class mindset.

Middle Class is not white, it's economic. Many whites had/have to be 'taught' the ways of middle class society. It's learned. Marx favored the Proletariat and knew how different they were from the Bourgeoisie; he also knew that a worker could turn Bourgeoisie if given enough capital.

Anonymous said...

"There is no correlation between crime and poverty."

Oh, but there is. Poor people break the law much more than rich people. Simple as that.

So what causes it? Illegitimacy? Um, no.

Scandinavian countries have high illegitimacy rates, much higher than the US; Sweden had a rate of 54% in 2000, Denmark over 44%. Yet these countries have low crime rates? Why? Most likely due to the fact, like all European nations, they are 'nanny states' and fiercely socialistic.

In other words, these countries take care of their 'needy'. This is not something we do here in the US, although crime is decreasing nicely.

Pretty simple: keep people from poverty, keep crime low or end it all together.

By the way, there's a negative correlation between black illegitimacy (~70%) and blacks in poverty (24.7%)...

"Middle class blacks commit tons of crime."

They do not commit 'tons' of crime; ease up on the hyperbole. There are many middle class individuals, in general, that are middle class by economics alone, meaning: ghetto people with money. But the middle class, in general, black middle class, in particular, commits significantly less crime than those impoverished or on the brink of poverty.

Poverty (and its stresses) lead(s) to crime. Done.

Anonymous said...

So, when it is pointed out that even this blogger has stated that what separates people from criminality is comfort, opportunity, and safety, you people want to come up with other jive to try to hold on to the 'poverty does not equal crime' right-wing mythos?

Get past the obvious of there being an intrinsic link. Maybe this is an oversimplification but if a person wanted a Rolex very badly, if given a Rolex, they are less likely to steal one than if they'd never been given one in the first place.

It's common sense. There is no research supporting racially biased crime genes. There is no research supporting superiority of one race over another unless you get your information from the Pioneer Fund. There is absolutely nothing, nothing.

The English from South Hampton colonized the South in the 1600s. Compared to their Northern counterparts, it took them 70 years before they built a university. Their Northern brothers built Harvard after 6 years of being in America. The latter were more erudite, obviously, and the former ended up creating brutal economic plantation slavery... but that does not make the former inherently less-than because they were seemingly 'less intelligent' (I don't think they were less intelligent but always knew just a rural way of life -- an IQ test would probably say they were dumber but IQ improves significantly with education, even though I do not believe in IQ's merit or significance despite having a high IQ myself).

If you want to better society, the key is to move towards, at least, strong welfare capitalism. I would advocate even European-style socialism. You can't wax poetic about eugenics or wanting to deport people. It won't happen and it's never going to happen. There will be no race wars and no small-scale genocides (LA is no example of anything but a gang turf war and blacks flee to because of the crime and violence and they want to be around their own people). Crime is decreasing.

"Do the thousands of beautiful and loving African mothers already in the U.S. adopt lower class Black babies? No. they don't."

No shit. Black people know the difference between African women and black women. All Western women are different from non-Western women. African women are more feminine, more submissive, more nurturing than any US woman, in general, black woman, in particular. In a perfect world, all black babies would be raised by African mothers or black mothers imitative of African ones. I was fortunate.

Anonymous said...

"As for prisons, I really wish we could outsource housing the ultra violent to China. And I am deadly serious."

LAPD: It's isn't going to happen, so forget about it. We have lots of unused Federal land in very remote places - why not just dump them there?

Jay

VikingManx said...

When one of you anti-racists explains the lack of successful majority-black countries, I might listen.

Scandinavia is nice because it is full of Scandinavians. Who is in their prisons? Ta-da! Non-white immigrants.

Grow up, Peter Pan.

Anonymous said...

As a group, black people lack the intelligence to hold down middle class jobs.

That is why so many work for the government, where a black person can perform poorly yet still have job security.

To those saying "Erase poverty and you'll erase crime" I ask HOW?

HOW do we erase poverty when all we have to work with are useless black people?

Sick & Tired

Anonymous said...

European countries could afford to indulge in socialism because they signed their national defense over to the united states.

Ever heard of NATO? In reality, NATO was several european nations signing a pact with the united states to protect them from the Soviets.

There is no strong, white nation that can protect America and allow us to divert our defense budget to poor blacks.

And besides, you could give blacks free food and lodging and they still commit crime. This has been shown time and again.

Not even 40 acres and a white girl would be enough to take the thug mentality out of blacks.

Sick & Tired.

Anonymous said...

Holy Hell! i s it just me or is everyone unable to get FoxSnooze.com???

I might have guessed this because I post that link (and yours too SBDL) all over the web. I cover a LOT of terrority webwise in a day. It's probably an Anti-White sabotage. :(

I sure hope all is well on the Fox's end.

Anonymous said...

The funny thing is, these stupid negroes and DWL'S, continue to try to convince those of us who can see, that their POV is valid and just; that we need to do more to acquiesce to BRA.

But...we don't care. All of your nonsense is background noise. We want nothing to do with blacks, and neither do any DWL's, except to use them as a weapon to destroy America and the West.

Seriously. Keep your nurturing Africans, and your phony "middle class". Blacks are stupid, violent, and uncontrollable, and how much bling they have alters that not one bit. From Obama through your Charles Barkley's, down to you local mayor's and thugs, the whole thing has been a disaster for America.

Anonymous said...

"So, if you want to prevent and/or end crime, you have to erase poverty"

This is exactly what Lyndon Johnson said 50 years ago when he waged his war on poverty, aka The Great Society.

It didn't work.

It failed miserably.

Please think of some new material, or better yet, just shut the fuck up.

Sheila said...

These comment threads devolve into a bore - constantly repeating the obvious - please, please, people, stop validating the black female troll by responding to her! She craves White attention and fancies herself "educated." Ignoring her (and I mean truly ignoring her, not responding to her ridiculous allegations or black-facts indirectly) is what might eventually drive her away, and will immediately irritate her the most.

Van said...

"Maybe this is an oversimplification but if a person wanted a Rolex very badly, if given a Rolex, they are less likely to steal one than if they'd never been given one in the first place."

And if that Rolex is taken back, the person who was willing to steal will revert back to theft. Much like when the BS government jobs are no longer sustainable, the black do-nothings who fill them will revert to poor black levels of crime (instead of just middle income black levels of crime).

As for the correlation between poverty and crime, repeat after me:

Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.

Anyone with even a basic understanding of science and research knows this.

Van said...

Questions for Anonymous/Suspected Desiree:

If blacks are so capable of doing everything whites have done, why haven't they? Ever? Not in Africa before whites ever got there. Not after whites left. Not in the US when they have majority control of a city. Not anywhere. Why?

And why are blacks ultimately so desperate to be in the company of whites? You might want your own city, but always in a white county. Or some other way that you won't let whites get away from you. You even mentioned blacks getting out of LA to be with their own people, why can't whites do the same? If we're so terrible, why won't you just leave us alone?

Anonymous said...

"what separates people from criminality is comfort, opportunity, and safety"

This has been refuted more times than I can count, please think of some new material, or better yet, just shut the fuck up.

-For all the talk about the complexities of the "root causes" of crime, there is one root cause which overwhelms all the rest: fatherlessness.

-Almost 70 percent of juveniles incarcerated in state reform institutions come from homes with no father or without their natural parents. Most gang members, 60 percent of rapists, and 75 percent of teenage homicide perpetrators come from single-parent homes.

-Young black males from single-parent families are twice as likely to engage in crime as young black males from two-parent families.

-If the single-parent family is in a neighborhood with a large number of other single-parent families, the odds of the young man becoming involved in crime are tripled.

-Over the past thirty years, the rise in violent crime parallels the rise in families abandoned by fathers.

-High-crime neighborhoods are characterized by high concentrations of families abandoned by fathers.

-State-by-state analysis by indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime.

-The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/singlepr.htm

http://mkg4583.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/fatherlessness-the-root-causes-of-crime/

http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/comment050200c.html

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1995/03/bg1026nbsp-the-real-root-causes-of-violent-crime

Van said...

"There is no research supporting superiority of one race over another unless you get your information from the Pioneer Fund. There is absolutely nothing, nothing."

For the sake of argument, let's say this is true - there is no research supporting different abilities of the races. Why do you assume that the default position to revert to is racial equality? It seems the default would be the opposite - blacks are not equal to whites, unless it can be proven otherwise.

We know what whites are capable of - everywhere they go they create modern, technologically advanced, stable societies with relatively low crime. We've yet to see a black society do this. We've yet to see a group of blacks invent themselves out of the stone age without white assistance.

So, prima facie, blacks are not equal to whites. It is self-evident, and unless it can be proven otherwise, it stands.

Anonymous said...

+10 Van, that's how you debate!!!

Anonymous said...

"There is no research supporting superiority of one race over another unless you get your information from the Pioneer Fund"

There is not an IQ test in history that shows different races are equal.
Additionally, IQ tests have always consistently placed blacks at the bottom of the intelligence scale.

BTW, please think of some new material, or better yet, just shut the fuck up.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe this is an oversimplification but if a person wanted a Rolex very badly, if given a Rolex, they are less likely to steal one than if they'd never been given one in the first place."

It is and it is incorrect. demand for such goods is elastic, having one won't stop me from wanting another.

"So, if you want to prevent and/or end crime, you have to erase poverty"

Putting criminals in prison seems to be working pretty well. Until we run out of prisons that is.

Anonymous said...

@ Van

Outstanding...

Anonymous said...

"So, if you want to prevent and/or end crime, you have to erase poverty"

Or become Mormon. Sod all crime in the trailer parks of Salt Lake City.

Anonymous said...

Van,

Since you seem like a somewhat honest debater, please explain how there is no correlation between:

(a) the notion of there being an IQ was created by white elites;
(b) that average IQ is considered to equal 100;
(c) that white average IQ=100

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

"This is exactly what Lyndon Johnson said 50 years ago when he waged his war on poverty, aka The Great Society.

It didn't work."


He did not do it right. There was too much leeway for capitalists and not enough checks on individuals to root out complacency (the Republicans welfare hauls in the mid-90s. The solution is quite simple: slow but firmly radical implementation of Neo-Marxist policies, first being universal healthcare, then redistribution of wealth. Radical policies are the only way to create a better functioning society. We must go in the way of the Europeans. I will give those on the right a bit of credit: there needs to be a strong national identity, something they tend to advocate. And acquiescing to those on the left, there needs to be a strong emphasis on community over individual.

If Republicans and those on the right weren't so damned racist/racially hostile (which leads to alienation of minorities), perhaps we could consolidate the ideologies of both ends of the political spectrum, after implementing Neo-Marxism as a societal restructuring tool, that is.

"Putting criminals in prison seems to be working pretty well. Until we run out of prisons that is."

Would you continue to put Orajel on a toothache forever or would you go get it tended to by a dentist? Intelligent people tend to try to go to the root of a problem instead of work continuously on soothing the symptoms. The right's 'law and order' approach to crime won't end it. Come off it.

"There is not an IQ test in history that shows different races are equal.
Additionally, IQ tests have always consistently placed blacks at the bottom of the intelligence scale."


The argument was not about IQ -- that was ancillary -- the argument is that relative IQ levels have nothing to do with superiority/inferiority. It's only one facet of the human being. IQ's application results in self-fulfilling prophecies: high score, more stronger sense of ability in one's self; lower score (plus label), a devaluing of one's self, defeatism, fatalism, etc.

Your types (HBD adherents) cling to IQ like it's the bee's knees but it isn't. IQ is as valuable as one chooses to make it. Despite having an IQ of 135 and being in the youthful bloom of my twenties, I find IQ absolutely meaningless in my life.

Discard said...

End crime by ending poverty? What is poverty? Any Black people starve in this country lately? If poverty is wanting stuff you can't afford, call me poor. But I still won't rob a 7-11.

Van: Good comment.

Anonymous said...

@ Anon/ Diarrhea

"Your types (HBD adherents) cling to IQ like it's the bee's knees but it isn't. IQ is as valuable as one chooses to make it. Despite having an IQ of 135 and being in the youthful bloom of my twenties, I find IQ absolutely meaningless in my life. "

If I.Q is so irrelevant, why do you feel compelled to write it down Diarrhea?

You conveniently ignore the fact that your kind possesses very damageable traits that "cannot be perfected " even though institutions were created for that purpose, the end result being a monumental waste of efforts & money on such moon-raking utopia.
Blacks will always lag behind in every country they end up living in. They have failed miserably at building any semblance of civil society, and your attempt at bringing up the same over-worn excuses to justify aberrant behavior are just that - shallow rhetorics.

They are born with equal chances but most choose the path of destruction. No amount of EQUAL WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION would magically cure the dysfunctional Negroes' entitlement issues; they'll always want more and demand more from every one else and deliver nothing in return. Most of your Brothas and Sizthas have stomped emotional growth, thus engaging in irresponsible childlike behavior, the state is their nanny.
The nation is lagging behind because the state is too present in comforting AAs in their victim status. I personally never see any references in your discourse where the state is at fault for doing so. Encouraging mediocrity breeds mediocrity and blacks embrace it all too well.

Anonymous said...

"He did not do it right."

His biggest mistake was being stupid enough to think that negroes could be assimilated into white society.

Please think of some new material, or better yet, just shut the fuck up.

Anonymous said...

"The argument was not about IQ"

Sorry, but it is not up to you to decide the parameters of the argument. When discussing inherent racial differences as they pertain to racial superiority, innate intelligence is an essential point of contrast.

Discussing racial differences without mentioning IQ is like discussing dieting without mentioning food.

Please think of some new material, or better yet, just shut the fuck up.

BTW, aren't you banned?

Anonymous said...

"Despite having an IQ of 135"

If this were true, you would not write so many remarkably stupid posts.

When you repeatedly try to argue with a group of people who instantly dismiss everything you say as utter hogwash, your behavior suggests that you are not particularly bright.

Your IQ is more likely about 90, but look at the bright side...

Without your white genes, it'd probably be 80.

Midwestern said...

Worth repeating:

"It is not the white man's responsibility to supply blacks with middle class wages paid by the white taxpayer."

..or to supply free or subsidized rent, food, summer day camp, education, cell phones, free computers, free winter coats, free medical care, free daycare, free job training, insurance, transportation, disability payments, SNAP, EBT, and the list goes on and on and on and on.......

There is no end to their complete and utter dependence on white people.

Midwestern said...

"My first choice, of course, would be to get loving African mothers to take care of black children. African immigrants become highly intelligent and capable members of US society."

Yes, just like when I visited NYC recently and noted how the city turned very dark after midnight when the good white people went home and all of the "highly intelligent" black Africans were roaming the streets with their small children in tow. I felt like I was in a third-world country.

It would have been nice if these types of comments were blocked as we were promised earlier. THIS comment is the same delusional "African mother" crap that Desiree's sock puppet "Snape" was spewing a few posts ago.

Just like in the real world, the blacks on this site are obsessed with white people, and must intrude on their lives and rob them of their peace and quiet, even when they are unwanted.

This blog's comment section needs a moderator.

Brother Anonymous said...

@Desiree,

"He did not do it right."

Hey, that's a great idea. Fifty years of social devastation and ruined potential. But we shouldn't back away from the basic idea, we should do it all over again, because "he didn't do it right."

Absolutely brilliant, Desiree.

Anonymous said...


Would you continue to put Orajel on a toothache forever or would you go get it tended to by a dentist? Intelligent people tend to try to go to the root of a problem instead of work continuously on soothing the symptoms


Bingo Dudette!

No more lowering test scores so that the dark skinned can pass the lower standard. Let them get their black asses in on merit. (Just like MLK dreamed when he dreamed that dream.)

Anonymous said...

"On Coming from a Broken Home (Part 1)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_VJrFZPTIo

"My first choice, of course, would be to get loving African mothers to take care of black children. "

Isn't that your secondchoice though behind grannie?

Discard said...

Anon at 7:09: if you had an IQ of 135, it would certainly not be meaningless to you. It would enable you to understand and do all sorts of things that are beyond the average person. You might as well say that being a gifted musician or fluent in six languages is meaningless in your life. You talk like a fool.

Anonymous said...

Assuming that this post sees the light of day (as my posts to 'Van' apparently remained hidden from view):

I need not lie about my IQ on the Internet; sure, it's the perfect place to do it but I will resist temptation. It is what it is and it's 135. If we'd all taken part in this conversation when I was a high school freshman (age 15), I'd said it was 113.

Please, I don't need to lie about this number. If my goal was to say I was proof of superior black intelligence, why, I could have said it was 160!

http://goo.gl/FXX7n (#83 and 84)

"If this were true, you would not write so many remarkably stupid posts."

Really? That's your prima facie case against me, that because I write stupid posts, in your opinion, I must be stupid? You deserve a medal for that kind of logic. I'm sure you'd disagree with Noam Chomsky on many things but you'd never say the man was an idiot.

"Anon at 7:09: if you had an IQ of 135, it would certainly not be meaningless to you. It would enable you to understand and do all sorts of things that are beyond the average person."

Essentially, you're right: if my IQ was that of the average person or early 20-something, I would not be able to do some of the things I am able to do that would be add-ons to the average person's 'abilities'. However, my point -- which seems to have been lost upon you all -- is that IQ is but a single facet of the human being and, because it only means something insofar as we make it mean something, it is not indicative of someone's relative superiority/inferiority.

Would you tell a gorgeous, statuesque blonde runner with an IQ of 90 that she is inferior to a squat, trollish brunette with an IQ of 125? No, you wouldn't. It is but one facet and it does not justify discrimination, abuse, or extermination. If a society puts more value on beauty over brains, what good would even be the brunette? It's all relative... I mean, would you accept that Asians are superior to whites based on average IQ alone? No, of course you wouldn't and you don't!

I think you guys need new perspectives. How many Africans from poor villages sent to US or European schools on their families' dimes who go on to get PhDs do you need before you realize that what you say is pointless and continually self-disproving?

I mean, harp on IQ all you want but I ask this question all the time:

please explain how there is no correlation between:

(a) the notion of there being an IQ was created by white elites;
(b) that average IQ is considered to equal 100;
(c) that white average IQ=100.

You know... it's sort of ironic that you all huff and puff about this country going to shit and yet you do not want to help poor children or any of that. Demonstrably, we know that the wealthier you are, the more educated you are, the less likely you will break the law. It's no guarantee but the odds would be on your side.

It's almost like you WANT the world to go to chaos just so you can say you were 'right' (which you wouldn't be but you understand the logic, here). No. Better the world like everyone else is doing; you're getting left behind in the rubble.

There has never been and will never be scientific support for white racial supremacy.

Recommended film: 'Gattaca'.

Anonymous said...

At Desiree

" You know... it's sort of ironic that you all huff and puff about this country going to shit and yet you do not want to help poor children or any of that. Demonstrably, we know that the wealthier you are, the more educated you are, the less likely you will break the law. It's no guarantee but the odds would be on your side. "


You're obviously too dense to get this through your thick skull: poverty is not a factor when relating to Blacks. And you're the one who huffs & puffs about IQ measurement having no validity because it disadvantages the race you belong to.

" I need not lie about my IQ on the Internet; sure, it's the perfect place to do it but I will resist temptation. It is what it is and it's 135. If we'd all taken part in this conversation when I was a high school freshman (age 15), I'd said it was 113. "

So, in the past 7 years your IQ has been increasing at a rate of 3.14 points per year. Simple extrapolation tells us that by 2025 you will have reached Einstein's level, at around 180. I just can't wait for the scientific breakthroughs your immense intellect will be bringing to mankind.

Don't you ever compare yourself to Noam Chomsky you're light years beneath him. You're terminally deluded and never bring up any novel refutations to counter our arguments. Diarrhea, you're a broken record, please change your tune!

Someone who's math score is as unremarkable as yours could never possess an IQ of 135.

Besides what part of BANNED, don't you understand?

Anonymous said...

I need not lie about my IQ on the Internet; sure, it's the perfect place to do it but I will resist temptation. It is what it is and it's 135. If we'd all taken part in this conversation when I was a high school freshman (age 15), I'd said it was 113.

Please, I don't need to lie about this number. If my goal was to say I was proof of superior black intelligence, why, I could have said it was 160!

http://goo.gl/FXX7n (#83 and 84)


I'll admit I went to the link, hoping against hope that it would not be Desiree but, of course, it is. As it happens, I tested at Desiree's alleged IQ level of 135 in high school. By the way, it was a legitimately administered Wechsler scale IQ test.

At her website, she states that the standardized test she took in 8th grade (that's "really an IQ test" according to her) ranked her in the 90th percentile, or top 10 percent. I took the same test in 8th grade and scored in the 99th percentile, or top 1 percent. Now, if we have the same IQ, why did I score in the top 1 percent on the same test where Desiree only made it into the 90th percentile? Hmmm. It's a puzzle, eh?

Desiree, if you were as bright as you claim to be, your arguments and attempts at logic would be far better than they are and you wouldn't obsessively troll a website where your idiotic input is routinely rejected as just that - idiotic.

Discard said...

Anon at 5:49PM: I'm glad that you've acknowledged that IQ is not meaningless, it somewhat restores my confidence in your rationality.
You're right that IQ is not everything, either. I don't believe that anyone here said it was. But it is extremely important, as a measure of the capacity for thinking. Intelligent people ARE superior to less intelligent people, unless their other traits are so awful as to override their mental abilities. Look at Stephen Hawkings. And, as an older man, I can assure you that having the company of a quick-witted older woman is much preferable to a dullard, as is the pleasure of intelligent children. Your tall gorgeous blond running dullard will be a grey-haired wrinkled woman with foot damage by the time she's my age, and still have an IQ of 90.

The correlation between IQ being invented by Whites and the average for Whites being 100 is that the inventor, Mr Binet was French, and used French people in his samples. The average is defined as 100 for mathematical simplicity. I suppose if an African had invented IQ tests, the average for Blacks would be 100, and the average for Whites would be around 135.

There are no Africans from poor villages going to universities in Europe or America on their own dime. If an African can come up with $20,000 or more per year, they're not poor.
How many Africans, rich or poor, get MDs or PhDs in science or engineering in Europe or the US? Degrees in education and other mush don't count. I have one myself, and it means squat.
How many dumb Blacks have to fail before you realize that failure is the norm for Blacks?

You're behind the scientific curve. The evidence for racial differences in intelligence is accumulating. No matter what anybody does, whether adjusting the tests, modifying teaching methods, or spending money on reducing poverty, the IQ gap doesn't even narrow, let alone disappear.

Van said...

"Really? That's your prima facie case against me, that because I write stupid posts, in your opinion, I must be stupid? You deserve a medal for that kind of logic. I'm sure you'd disagree with Noam Chomsky on many things but you'd never say the man was an idiot."

This quote actually demonstrates your lack of genuine intelligence; as well as your need to prove yourself and gain acceptance.

The concept of prima facie was brought up relevant to the varying accomplishments of different racial groups. You've inserted it here, in a reply to someone who questioned your intelligence, and who did not invoke the concept of prima facie.

While a case could be made that your usage of the concept is technically correct, it is also somewhat awkward and completely out of place. It comes across as you wanting to demonstrate that you understand it, and it is very unnatural and forced.

The opposite of intelligent. Smart enough to mimic, but not to truly understand. More like a monkey who copies his trainers movements.

Bryan said...

Van, just a question: How did she use prima facie wrong? I read that it was used properly.

The basis of the other poster's belief in her lack of intelligence was that, according to him, she made stupid arguments. That was his evidence against her intelligence as she stood accused of stupidity. However, seeing that opinion is not as substantial as fact, his evidence - that being his opinion that her posts were stupid - does not stand on its own, which would be grounds for dismissal. And one could easily find people that would agree with her allegedly stupid posts - the rebuttal - and seeing that opinion v. opinion does not really result in a determination of fact but opinion-making into infinity, it would still be grounds for dismissal due to lack of proof in the overall that she is stupid based on allegedly stupid posts.

Maybe that's an oversimplification?

Van said...

"How did she use prima facie wrong?"

I already stated that her usage was correct. What I'm pointing out is that - in the overall context of this conversation - it comes off as unnatural, unnecessary, and forced. More of a "look at me, I can use cool Latin phrases, too!" You'd have to read a number of comments on this thread to fully appreciate it.

I'll try to summarize:

I brought the concept of prima facie into the conversation by explaining that we know white societies are capable of amazing things because we have seen them. On the other hand we have never seen black societies accomplish much of anything. So, in the absence of any additional evidence, we would assume that black societies cannot accomplish what white societies can. Prima facie, this appears to be the case, and the burden of proof is on one who claims otherwise.

Another poster made the "stupid is as stupid posts" comment; then her reply incorporating the prima facie concept.

The appearance is that of a child who had to look up the definition, and then couldn't wait to prove that she understood it. The usage wasn't wrong, it was just forced. A truly intelligent person wouldn't need to do that. There are several commenters here that are suspected of being the same person - they all have this tendency to use intelligent sounding words and phrases in this way.

Discard said...

Bryan and Van: I'm not taking sides here, but those of us who have been teachers learn to recognize writing from the dictionary. Sometimes a word can be used correctly, but without fluency. I always counted that a worse writing sin than even an incorrect word use that was still somehow illuminating.

Bryan said...

Discard, a previous comment of mine in reply to Van was not approved but I'll try to remember what I'd wrote.

I made the point to him that possibly she could have known the concept already, which would explain the correct usage. I also said the other possibility was that she did in fact look up the word/concept because it was something she'd never heard of previously, absorbed the meaning with understanding, and used it, too, which would explain the correct usage. If you want to be a glass-half-empty kind of guy, you could call it mimicry but, then again, if it was simply reduced to mimicry then we'd all be guilty of it as we learn new concepts. I also stated that since the simplest definition of intelligence is the ability to adapt and thrive, it's not entirely accurate to say what seems on the surface as mimicry is actually that but possibly demonstration of mastery of a new skill. In that way, you really can't use her use of prima facie as a way to say she didn't display genuine intelligence when quickly learning something and then demonstrating an understanding of it is the most straight-forward display of intelligence, especially when prima facie was used correctly.

The assumption was made that since prima facie had already been invoked (but in a different context) meant she had to copy it from Van, which could be the case, but that's only a suspicion and maybe a prejudiced one. I agree with Van that there could have been a bit of show-off in her usage - assuming she didn't know the concept beforehand and learned it because it was foreign to her - but boasting is not exactly enough evidence to show she lacks genuine intelligence, even if you think it's out of taste. I thought the whole thing was nit-picky, as with the you're-not-like-Chomsky gibe from a previous poster.

I am not trying to defend her or blacks. I was just pointing out the errors in Van's logic in his attempt to make a point off somebody. I think debating should be fair. I didn't find her usage lacking in fluency, either, but maybe that's just my opinion and, no, I've never been a teacher.

R said...

I just like to add that desiree keeps arguing that its "convenient" that the average IQ is 100 since that is the white average.

But the thing is the average world IQ isn't 100 it is only about 90. The average IQ of 100 doesn't even apply to all white ethnic groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality

It should be noted that blacks and other NAM's lower the IQ average for some of the white nations that are unfortunate enough to have them.

SBPDL you might want to use this pic in one of your posts if you haven't already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:National_IQ_Lynn_Vanhanen_2006_IQ_and_Global_Inequality.png

Anonymous said...

Yo motherf**ker, I was happy in the cottonfields & 3 meals a day.

Leeroy

(Someone wrote this for me.)

Anonymous said...

At her website, she states that the standardized test she took in 8th grade (that's "really an IQ test" according to her) ranked her in the 90th percentile, or top 10 percent. I took the same test in 8th grade and scored in the 99th percentile, or top 1 percent. Now, if we have the same IQ, why did I score in the top 1 percent on the same test where Desiree only made it into the 90th percentile?

Racism?

Anonymous said...

"It is what it is and it's 135."

LOL You can repeat this as often as you like, I couldn't care less. In fact, you can say it's 185 if you like.

Your behavior...specifically, wasting weeks/months/years of your life arguing with people who do not listen to anything you say, and in fact dismiss EVERYTHING you say...suggests that you're not very smart.

You are the equivalent of someone attempting to knock down a brick wall by beating their head against it. It's just dumb.

So please, continue to convince yourself of your "High IQ", it's fairly common...most stupid people are completely oblivious to the fact that they're stupid.

Anonymous said...

"Really? That's your prima facie case against me, that because I write stupid posts, in your opinion, I must be stupid?"

You left out this part...

"When you repeatedly try to argue with a group of people who instantly dismiss everything you say as utter hogwash, your behavior suggests that you are not particularly bright.

Your IQ is more likely about 90, but look at the bright side...

Without your white genes, it'd probably be 80
."