Sunday, November 13, 2011

Something Wicked this Way Comes: The NFL Honors that Enduring Lie, The Tuskegee Airmen

The Tuskegee Airmen: A enduring fabrication that must be shot down
Note: All this week will be # posts. Even if Detroit burns to the ground; even if a violent Mahogany Mob occupies and terrorizes Philadelphia for three days; even if Eric "My Holder" People enlists the dwindling percentage of enlisted Black members of the US Military to help close the racial gap in learning (one of the primary reasons that the percentage of enlisted Black members of the military has deteriorated: 40 percent of "The Blacks" can't pass the entrance exam); even if... well, you get the picture. Okay, we might have one article one article on sports. Just one. Promise.

A good friend of mine, Luke Darren, who assisted me on a piece at Vdare, has finally come up the primary slogan for SBPDL. One of the slogans is SBPDL: Fight Back.

But the moniker for SBPDL needs to be something fundamental, something elemental: SBPDL: Because truth has a racial bias. More on this in the coming weeks.

One of the books I'd like to write is a take-off on the misnamed Lies my Teacher Told Me. It would simply be called Lies my Teacher Told Me About Black-Run America (or Lies My Teacher Told Me About Black History, but you get the picture). It would discuss purported inventions by Black people, and give reasons for various laws that were passed in more civilized times. More importantly, it would target the myths that are continually trotted out to paralyze people from pointing out the failures of the Black community now, by showcasing the discrimination that Black people faced once upon a time.

Black people can't be held accountable for their actions now, when they were once barred from playing in Major League Baseball or segregated into all-Black flying units like the Tuskegee Airmen. It is important that in every aspect of a white person's life that they constantly be bombarded with reminders of their ancestors (and nations) past racism, so they are incapable of voicing opposition to the ever-tightening vise of Black-Run America (BRA).

I've been working on a long article on the myth of Tuskegee Airmen (one of the foundational myths of BRA, much like the Rosa Park incident and the Edmund Pettis Bridge moment in Selma) that will be published elsewhere, but today realized a pernicious new maneuver by Disingenuous White Liberals (DWLs) to have us believe that these Red Tails single-handily defeated the Axis Powers due to their superior aviation skills.

Much like Major League Baseball (MLB) has mandated that each year Jackie Robinson Day be commemorated (when every player on every team must wear a jersey with Robinson's jersey number 42, which has been retired in his honor by ever team) to constantly remind people America and baseball's racist past, the National Football League (NFL) has done something so silly and sanctimonious that it will surely become a yearly tradition: The Tuskegee Airmen were trotted out at a slew of NFL games to show that Black people can be trained to fly a plane (now clap, because though Black people make up less than 2 percent of Air Force pilots - and most major airline pilots - now, they beat Germany by themselves back in 1941-1945!) and are the only people worthy of remembering from those who served in the US Military during World War II:
The Tuskegee Airmen, the first unit of African American military pilots who flew in World War II, are being honored on the 70th anniversary of their service with a special tribute during three NFL games held on November 13th, 2011 -- Veterans Day Weekend -- in conjunction with the upcoming release of the motion picture Red Tails from Lucasfilm Ltd. 

The Dallas Cowboys, the San Francisco 49ers and the New York Jets will host Veterans Day Weekend games which feature salutes to the Tuskegee Airmen, including sideline interviews with some of the original veteran World War II pilots, and on-field tributes to these American heroes. 

An all-black combat unit created at the Tuskegee Institute in 1941, the Tuskegee Airmen pilots faced unimaginable challenges: fierce discrimination, outdated training equipment, and their performance was scrutinized by government officials who believed they would fail. Despite these obstacles, the Tuskegee Airmen persevered and earned an impressive combat record in World War II. They flew more than 15,000 sorties on more than 1,500 missions throughout North Africa and Europe. They won three Distinguished Unit Citations and earned 96 Distinguished Flying Crosses, 14 Bronze Stars, 744 Air Medals and several Silver Stars and Purple Hearts. 

In addition, stars from the upcoming movie Red Tails, an action adventure film that celebrates the bravery of the Tuskegee Airmen, will be attending pre-game tailgate events and performing at select games. These include Cuba Gooding Jr., Terrence Howard, Nate Parker, Elijah Kelley, Tristan Wilds, Leslie Odom Jr., Michael B. Jordan and Gerald Mc Raney. Red Tails opens in theaters on January 20, 2012.
 Sigh. Soon a Paul Kersey article will be published that begins the assault - with the sturdy ally of veracity on my side - on the Tuskegee Airmen myth. Have your fun NFL placating a lie. One thing no one ever points out is how condescending it is to continue to honor this group of people, when hundreds of thousands of white men were trained to fly on other Army Air Bases. Do the DWLs in charge of education consider it a major accomplishment that so many Black people (reports state that roughly 445 of 996 trained at Tuskegee over a five-year time period saw action overseas) were capable of flying? Despite massive recruiting efforts, why are so few Black people capable of flying in our military now?

I can remember teachers telling all sorts of weird and unbelievable stories about the Tuskegee Airmen (modern day Gods descended down from Mt. Olympus in the eyes of DWLs and constantly indoctrinated by BRA) that sounded incredulous to my young ears. That they never lost a bomber; that no plane was shot down or any airmen was killed; that they found Amelia Earhart; that they were the original pilots selected for NASA's Mercury team; etc.

Sadly, the latter two are untrue. Worse, so are the rest. For 60 years the lie persisted that the Tuskegee Airmen never lost a plane as they escorted US bombers over Germany. This lie was happily by teachers across the country and repeated at ceremonies honoring the surviving Red Tails. One of the foundational stories of BRA is nothing more than a lie, told so that succeeding generations of  children question why there are so few Black pilots now, when their legendary war record was so sterling (also having people question why, if they never lost a bomber, why segregation ever existed since their martial skills were second-to-none):
At least 25 bombers being escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen over Europe during World War II were shot down by enemy aircraft, according to a new Air Force report.

The report contradicts the legend that the famed black aviators never lost a plane to fire from enemy aircraft. But historian William Holton said the discovery of lost bombers doesn't tarnish the unit's record.
"It's impossible not to lose bombers," said Holton, national historian for Tuskegee Airmen Inc.

The report released Wednesday was based on after-mission reports filed by both the bomber units and Tuskegee fighter groups, as well as missing air crew records and witness testimony, said Daniel Haulman, a historian at the Air Force Historical Research Agency at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery.

The tally includes only cases where planes were shot down by enemy aircraft, Haulman said. No one disputed the airmen lost some planes to anti-aircraft guns and other fire from the ground.

The 25 planes were shot down on five days: June 9, July 12, July 18 and July 20, 1944 and March 24, 1945, the Montgomery Advertiser reported.
The real inconvenient truth is that Black people have been able to claim they were part of this legendary band of aviators (and garner awards and speaking engagements) without anyone ever questioning said claim because of the moral authority that BRA grants to the Tuskegee Airmen:

Tuskegee Airman Robert A. Decatur often spoke in public about being one of only about 960 black pilots who escorted the all-white crews of bombers over Europe, how he inscribed his plane in Latin with the slogan "Through Adversity, to the Stars," and how one of the characters in a 1995 HBO movie about the black pilots was based on him.

"If you remember the scene in The Tuskegee Airmen where the pilot, played by Laurence Fishburne, landed in a field where convicts were working, the pilot stepped out of the plane and one of the convicts said, 'My God, he's colored.' That pilot was Robert Decatur," he told an audience during Martin Luther King Day observances this year at Stennis Space Center in Mississippi.

Because of his stories of heroism, the Arkansas chapter of the Tuskegee Airmen is named in his honor.
But his death last month in Titusville at age 88 did not lay to rest the contention of fellow Tuskegee Airmen that Decatur's legendary life was largely his own creation.

"He included himself as one of those heroes, and he wasn't," said John Gay, president of the Orlando chapter of Tuskegee Airmen Inc., an association created in 1972 to honor the first black pilots trained in Tuskegee, Ala., during World War II.

Decatur's embellishments were repeated over the years in articles ranging from a 2004 cover story in Onyx magazine to an Aug. 22 obituary in the Orlando Sentinel.

The record shows that Decatur was a Tuskegee cadet in 1944 but did not complete pilot training. He did not graduate from flying school and never flew in combat. He was not portrayed by Laurence Fishburne.

"Mr. Decatur was not the model for the character, nor were the six or seven others who have claimed to be over these last 14 years," said Joan Williams, whose late husband, Robert, wrote the movie's screenplay and based much of it on his experiences as a Tuskegee pilot.

The impersonation of war heroes is so prevalent that Congress passed the Stolen Valor Act of 2005 to crack down on men who gave themselves medals they never earned. To many of these men, the glory of their imaginations makes up for shortcomings in their lives.

"The more you exaggerate, the more acclaim you get, and the more acclaim you get, the better it feels," said Alan Keck, an Orlando psychologist.
How many Black men like Decatur have been able to lie and profit off of this BRA myth? Why is the need for the Tuskegee Airmen myth of near invincibility so vital to the official - and incredibly patronizing - story of Black people being capable of aviation training? Just check out this article that details the uproar in the Tuskegee Airmen community over the news of their discredited reputation as perfect warriors of the air:
In 1996 or 1997, Holton said, he heard a white fighter pilot complain that the Red Tails weren't perfect -- every fighter group lost bombers. 

That angered Holton, who wanted to prove the man wrong. But he waited until 2003 to begin research. He felt no rush, he said, and wanted to wait for the Red Tails' 60th anniversary in 2004. 

He figured proving the record correct would make a big splash at the group's convention in Nebraska.
But Holton said he found that World War II bomber and pilot reports showed five bombers under Tuskegee protection were shot down by German fighters. 

"I expected some flak," said Holton, who presented the information at the convention. "I just didn't expect the magnitude." 

Ron Brewington, 61, a broadcast journalist who has long been fascinated by the Red Tails and serves as the group's spokesman, said Holton was told to keep the news to himself until it could be verified.
Remember: Stars and Stripes has deemed white males too valorous; Real American Heroes are invariably almost all white in today's military. Parading around a lie in the form of the Tuskegee Airmen to induce white guilt is a wonder tactic; unlike their false war record, the story of the Tuskegee Airmen never misses bombing young minds into a veritable mush of guilt that will accept and tolerate any lie told to further the objectives of BRA.

We told you that truth has a racial bias.

102 comments:

DW said...

"something elemental"

Something terrifying....

Having graduated recently from an HBCU the Tuskegee Airmen story is just one of the myths they love love love bringing up. For some reason, in their eyes, whenever blacks do something it's always better than when whites do it. And they just can't see the hypocrisy in that; it's just too much for them to handle.

Anonymous said...

I got thru a minute of 'PointBreak'...not sure why its there.

History gets re written...so be careful of what you read...
i never see 'black' in stories about black criminals.
THEN RACE IS IRRELEVANT

Zenster said...

SBPDL: Because truth has a racial bias.

Dayum! That's pretty good, right there.

Politically incorrect like all get out? You bet'cha.

Spot on? Like all hell.

Lies My Teacher Told Me About Black History

If anything, such a book is badly needed as a part of forcing America's Black community to come up with the truth. Maybe there are some important inventions made by Black inventors.

If so, it would be a far more healthy thing to list them instead of relying upon Liberal disinformation about the supposed achievements of these misattributed Black inventors.

As Louis Brandeis said; with an almost stunning degree of prescience, mind you:

"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." [emphasis added]

More importantly, it would target the myths that are continually trotted out to paralyze people from pointing out the failures of the Black community now, by showcasing the discrimination that Black people faced once upon a time.

That "living in the past" crap is just a Jethro Tull song and nothing more to anyone White who's firing on all cylinders.

One thing no one ever points out is how condescending it is to continue to honor this group of people, when hundreds of thousands of white men were trained to fly on other Army Air Bases. Do the DWLs in charge of education consider it a major accomplishment that so many Black people (reports state that roughly 445 of 996 trained at Tuskegee over a five-year time period saw action overseas) were capable of flying? Despite massive recruiting efforts, why are so few Black people capable of flying in our military now?

Such is the Liberal's "soft racism" of lowered expectations. It is the whole Noble Savage™ rubbish tip revisited under the renewed, bright and shiny banner of "Social Justice". I look forward to a SBPDL article devoted to Liberal soft racism.

Incidentally, it is this mindset of lowered expectations that drives much of Liberal acceptance with respect to atrocious Muslim behavior as well.

I can remember teachers telling all sorts of weird and unbelievable stories about the Tuskegee Airmen (modern day Gods descended down from Mt. Olympus in the eyes of DWLs and constantly indoctrinated by BRA) that sounded incredulous to my young years. That they never lost a bomber; that no plane was shot down or any airmen was killed; that they found Amelia Earhart; that they were the original pilots selected for NASA's Mercury team; etc. [emphasis added]

A welcome bit of (albeit sarcastic and snarky), humor that I hope you will more often include in your writing. Some comic relief is much needed as we wade through this morass of racial muck. Plus, it's not as if Liberals don't invite this sort of puncturing by the boatload with their glorification of marginal Black achievement.

Remember: Stars and Stripes has deemed white males too valorous; Real American Heroes are invariably almost all white in today's military.

So, are we supposed to wait until there is another global conflict in order to suddenly discover that the Black demi-gods within our military ranks have feet of clay?

How many of our soldier's lives will have to be sacrificed on the altar of Black competence to protect this false legacy? How many White soldiers will perish in order to preserve the undeserved dignity of the Tuskegee Airmen?

Anonymous said...

If you haven't done so, please have someone check a link that contains a huge amount of material pertaining to blacks in WW11. It was written before the revisionists went completely overboard.{www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/index.htm]

Ulysses Lee, an upper class black, began this study as part his thesis at a Chicago university. The gov. then paid to expand it.

I found it fascinating to read that DC decided blacks must be drafted at the same % as their population.

Then there was much pressure on the military by the DC brass and the black elite/press to produce heroes(dead blacks killed in combat). This was not an easy task.

For instance, when the airmen finally learned to fly well in formation, they turned chicken when attacked by the enemy. The same thing occurred when fighting on the ground in Italy.

These black soldiers did an excellent job in support services such road building, driving supply trucks,etc.

But the black press and the top brass in DC were not satisfied because they didn't get very many heroes(black guys killed in battle)

Anonymous said...

You know where this "Never Lost A Single Bomber" myth came from? The Chicago Defender, a African American run newspaper.
Bizarro World style reporting seems to be the norm for Black media outlets, positive stories get published no matter how dubious the sources.

Anonymous said...

SBPDL,

So, I guess we're in agreement, that from this point on only white men and women should risk life and limb fighting this country's bullshit wars

-Black Guy

Anonymous said...

Time will tell whether whites make this turd a hit, or if it turns out to be the next 'Miracle At St. Anna', a/k/a 'Saving Private Rayshawn'. It was a huge flop; all the niggers were out watching 'Max Payne' that weekend, I guess. LOL

God, I wonder how long until Unholywood starts making epic films about majik flying ancient 'Gypshun niggers ...

WarriorClass said...

Never mind that both the republican and democrats are TRAITORS and that your church is a 501c(3) GOVERNMENT mouth piece.

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2011/11/13/we-the-whipped/#comment-18061

The line is hot; fire when ready.

Franz said...

Tuskegee Airmen fact #1:
The Tuskegee Airmen didn't take off from the ground. They merely stamped their feet and the earth sank beneath them.

Tuskegee Airmen fact #2:
Holding guns sideways improves aerial marksmanship.

Tuskegee Airmen fact #3:
Whenever they had a German fighter on their six, they enabled "low ride mode" to evade the foe's projectiles. Worked without fail, every time.

Tuskegee Airmen fact #4:
Only a white boy like Chuck Yeager could break through the sound barrier, since the barrier was too scared to stand in the way of the Tuskegee Airmen.

Tuskegee Airmen fact #5:
Yuri Gargarin was only the first man in space because he tried to get away from the red tailed fighters behind him.

Anonymous said...

The Tuskegee airmen are credited with sinking a German destoyer with machine gun fire from a P 47.
You saw it in the trailers.
Thank you NFL for forcing an advertisement of this "major work of art" on me when I was watching football.

Van said...

Part of the myth of the Red Tails is that they were held back by the Powers-That-Be at every step of the way, and simply forced their way into battle through sheer determination and superior skill. It doesn't take much to realize the absurdity of this; if the PTB were dead set against them, the Red Tails never would've gotten off the ground (figuratively and literally; fantastic pun very much intended).

You don't walk on to a base and simply declare yourself to be a pilot, comandeer a plane, and fly off to war.

Someone approved this. Who gave them their positions, their promotions? Who supplied their planes for training? The airstrips? Supplies, uniforms, meals? All of this had to be approved - and FUNDED - by the PTB.

They weren't held back; they were pushed forward.

Anonymous said...

"only white men and women should risk life and limb fighting this country's bullshit wars"

The greatest "bullshit war" is the failed war on poverty, in which trillions have been fruitlessly spent in the delusional hopes of lifting negroes out of poverty.

BTW, next time you slither out from under your rock, try to post something that you haven't already posted multiple times in the past, it's fucking boring.

Anonymous said...

The white aviators of WWI and WWII went on to fly commercial planes then flew combat missions in Korea and Vietnam. The pilots were also used to train the new crop of incoming pilots. These white aviators also went on to be test pilots in experimental never before flown aircraft and these white pilots also became astronauts that pioneered in risky never before experienced space flight and it was white men who landed on the moon, the most monumental accomplishment of mankind. White males have set records, too many to mention, in not only propeller driven and jet aircraft but space flight as well. Where were blacks in all of this? Never to worry. I am sure blacks will be written into all of this as soon as this part of American history begins its rewrite.
The Tuskegee Institute, you know that famed world wide prestigious university that everyone world wide is trying to get into, trained a few pilots, so what? Most of them were actually used to ferry planes coming off the assembly lines to places where the white combat air crews took them into combat. But of course like so much of MLK history and Obama history a lot is never spoken of, much less written about.
The rewriting of American history is a tragedy not only for the white Americans who forged this land through blood, sweat, tears,their lives and sacrifice, but it is a tradegy for all of America.

Anonymous said...

So, I guess we're in agreement, that from this point on only white men and women should risk life and limb fighting this country's bullshit wars

Nah-you folks really ought to do something to pay back all the section 8 money,the AFDC money,the Medicaid payouts,the property that got stolen in burglaries that never got recovered and returned to the rightful owner,etc.

Phalluster said...

These um, "racial marxists" don't seem the least bit concerned about any latent white solidarity. A lot of white men died in WW2: ours vs. theirs. What if whites stopped identifying with "our" side, as it becomes less and less recognizable in the victors' annals?

The Elders have grown so audacious that they no longer bother over this possibility. Personally, that oversight is more insulting to me than any bullshit yarn about black superheroes.

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Anonymous said...

TOO.

MUCH.

SPORTS on this fucking blog.

Jesus! You are NOT Caste Football.

Be more creative and PLEASE, not another fucking foobaw (huhhuh huh huhuh) story every other post.

Thank you.

PS: congrats on appearing in some pretty prestigious places, like Takimag, one of the best sites on the net.

Indianapolis / Ben N. Indiana said...

Suggested motto (borrowed and paraphrased):

Teaching the world how to think; not what to think.

Bemused stare said...

The 25 planes were shot down on five days: June 9, July 12, July 18 and July 20, 1944 and March 24, 1945, the Montgomery Advertiser reported.

That in itself is rather an interesting statement. Were the Luftwaffe pilots on holiday for the rest of the time or should we assume that some of the most vaunted fighter pilots in history to date only got through to the formations five times.

Not only were the pilots of the Luftwaffe something not to be taken lightly in terms of skill, but they were fighting to protect their fatherland. There is even on record, an incident where a badly shot up pilot apparently told his squadron mates over his radio, "I will see you in Valhalla", before parking his dying Messerschmitt in one of your "Liberators".

The idea that this bunch of dolts out flew them like amateurs is laughable.

Hunter Morrow said...

There were German units that never lost members of their squad. The Germans in World War II did not take their ace pilots and have them train new pilots. They kept them in the war effort until they accounted for absolutely mind-boggling amount of dogfight kills, tank kills, etc.

There are several German WWII aces who destroyed just as much as the Tuskegee Airmen did just by themselves.

Anonymous said...

Gronkowski got done for excessive celebration in the Jest game because it looked as if he turned around and sought out a Jest player to spike the ball in front of.

In Kansas, where they still let in troops to sidelines on this weekend?, Eric Decker picked up an excessive celebration penalty for this.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/4.0/global/swapper/201111/111114.03.jpg

http://twitter.com/#!/EricDecker87/status/135892767548260352

http://twitter.com/#!/EricDecker87/status/135892965615861760

What? Is Bud selig suddenly in charge of the NFL?

Anonymous said...

Paul, more sports please, I get a kick out the crybabies who always whine about sports!

Californian said...

I'm going to repost a comment I made a while back on a similar topic:

* Movie makers are afraid of the high black-on-white violent crime rate, not to mention urban rioting and now flash mobs. They make these movies to convince themselves and white audiences that blacks are not a threat.
* These movies are agitprop designed to keep blacks in line. By promoting images of blacks as successful in the mainstream, this will convince alienated blacks, especially among the young, that they have no reason to riot.
* These movies are a utopian vision of society. Much like the "Ozzie and Harriet" vision was to an America decades long gone past. They are what liberals (and many non-liberals) fantasize: a post-racial world in which all races work together in harmony.

...and one more thing...

* Hollywood sees these sorts of movies as a way to cash in on liberal sentiments. Here is a war movie with a theme in which even the most ardent of antiwar activists can revel. As the man said, the purpose of movies is to "put butts in seats" i.e., sell tickets, popcorn, and now related toys, books and other stuff. George Lucas made a fortune out of Star Wars merchandise. This movie is, after all, coming out right at the start of the 2011 Christmas shopping season. Look for Tuskegee branded items in a mall near you.

Anonymous said...

Dont forget about NASSA.

The Negro Americal Space Society of Astronauts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq7gkQ7UkzI

Zenster said...

Black Guy: So, I guess we're in agreement, that from this point on only white men and women should risk life and limb fighting this country's bullshit wars

Why not? Taking your snotty-assed attitude into account, maybe Whites should have declared solidarity with the Nazis and let this world's entire Black population follow the Jews into the gas chambers.

Are you purchasing a clue yet, asshat? Hundreds of thousands of American White guys died to protect your sorry Black ass from being fed into the Nazi meat grinder. Ungrateful Black jerks like you are exactly what will oblige other modern day Whites to reconsider things the next time we have to save you from the menace du jour.

Eff knows how many White cops have died trying to save you Blacks from yourselves. Eff knows how many White victims have died in this country's futile efforts to bootstrap one of the most hapless bunch of underachieving, violent fuckwits since the so-called "Palestinians".

~AV~ said...

no doubt...this is more GROID behavior.....

SHOCK: Boy, 13, Arrested For Raping 5-Year-Old Girl In MCDONALD'S Play Area...

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/11/14/ohio-teen-arrested-for-allegedly-raping-5-year-old-girl-at-mcdonalds/

...for we all know...that GROIDS can not control their dicks, can not behave in public and all GROIDS think that McDonalds is a "no rules here environmnet made just for GROIDS"....

Mel said...

SBPDL - because truth is a terrible thing to waste.

Ya know... said...

Anonymous said...
SBPDL,

So, I guess we're in agreement, that from this point on only white men and women should risk life and limb fighting this country's bullshit wars

-Black Guy

November 13, 2011 11:06 PM

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I think the jist of the article is that we should honor those that have earned and deserved our honor, not those that have fabricated tales in order to artificially raise a certain (read: black) segment of our populations pride. Very bogus.

black guy,

What has your race as a whole made you proud of lately? An isolated incident...perhaps. As a whole though...got ya stumped don't I. The answer is...nothing.

Anonymous said...

"outdated training equipment"

Because America had state of the art equipment in 1941, we were just being racist in not doling it out to black units.

"Despite massive recruiting efforts, why are so few Black people capable of flying in our military now?"

Intact families might have had something to do with it, too bad those aren't coming back. Of course modern aircraft are much more capable,complex, and deadly than their predecessors. That might also be why.

Anonymous said...

"Tuskegee Airmen fact #3:
Whenever they had a German fighter on their six, they enabled "low ride mode" to evade the foe's projectiles.
Worked without fail, every time."

Someone get this man some animators, this cartoon needs to happen.


"Not only were the pilots of the Luftwaffe something not to be taken lightly in terms of skill, but they were fighting to protect their fatherland. There is even on record, an incident where a badly shot up pilot apparently told his squadron mates over his radio, "I will see you in Valhalla", before parking his dying Messerschmitt in one of your "Liberators"."

It took something like 10 Russians, 5 Brits, and 3 Americans to kill every German, if the tuskegee airment had been put on the front line on day one, blacks would complain about the same thing they complained about during vietnam: dieing disproportionately.

Anonymous said...

"Comment deleted: This post has been removed by a blog administrator."

I presume this was my comment, since I do not find it in the list. I am unsure why you did not see fit to publish it, but it is your blog, and you have your reasons.

For one, I do not understand why you find it helpful to "beat up" on blacks who are generally incapable of doing much of anything without enablers, but then recoil whenever certain enablers are mentioned.

Next, there is nothing untoward about mentioning the fact that WW II contains much mythology. The Tuskegee myth is simply one in a long line.

Second, do you believe that the Allies' victory was necessarily an improvement over what might have happened had Germany won? Do you think that our alliance with Bolshevist Russia was helpful, and a positive thing? Do you believe the enslavement of Eastern Europe and the millions dead as a result of Communism was a good thing?

In the blogosphere you are having a certain effect. But at the same time you are also becoming known as someone who is only scratching the surface, and someone who is unable or unwilling to face larger issues surrounding race.

Again, perhaps you have your reasons. It is difficult to know what lies under your surface.

Anonymous said...

In Denver, CO, that area's stretch of Interstate 70 is named in honor of the Tuskeegee Airpersyns Of Color. What do these people have to do with Colorado, Colorado avaiation and/or Colorado military history?

Anonymous said...

SBPDL: Racial Realities in the New Amerika

Anonymous said...

"no doubt...this is more GROID behavior.....

SHOCK: Boy, 13, Arrested For Raping 5-Year-Old Girl In MCDONALD'S Play Area..."

He's white.

Anonymous said...

Kersey, can we please return to the policy of NO RACIAL SLURS?

Warlord1958 said...

I read a after action report from a B24 pilot about how the 'groids turned and ran like little girls upon seeing German Me262 jets coming in. If I can find it again, I'll post a link.

Anonymous said...

OT: a new low in media reporting - multiple Chicago-area stations run story about shot 6 yr child, along with photo of him throwing gang signs...so media blurs out his fingers!!

Marshown Means, 6-year-old shot in the chest, gang banger in training?

http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2011/11/marshown-means-6-year-old-shot-in-chest.html

Netzach said...

Bemused stare,

"That in itself is rather an interesting statement. Were the Luftwaffe pilots on holiday for the rest of the time or should we assume that some of the most vaunted fighter pilots in history to date only got through to the formations five times."

Quite possible. From the spring of 1944 forwards, Luftwaffe was being rapidly ground down by overwhelming numbers of Allied bombers with long-range escort fighters, not to mention severe fuel shortages. By the time the the Tuskegee Airmen entered combat in Europe in large numbers, May 1944, the worst was already over. Not to mention that they were based in Italy, and flew only some of their missions into Reich itself. As you can see from this combat record, there still was some fighting during summer, but after that, not much.

The unit seems to have fought pretty well, even if their lionization as some Black Supermen is rather silly. The unit's selection criteria were certainly strict and the men appear to have been very determined to show what they can do.

Those principles which seem to rarely apply anywhere anymore, though. Try to create modern-day Red Tails, and not only the selection criteria would be much looser for its candidates than for other pilots, they wouldn't much care about impressing others either, since they know they can get what they want with political pressure and accusations of racism. The results would be easy to predict.

Anonymous said...

Coming up next on Amazing Modern History, immediately following "The Tuskegee Airmen!"...

The Tuskegee Airplane Designers!, followed by,

The Tuskegee Airplane Builders!, followed by,

The Tuskegee Airplane Factory Designers!, followed by,

The Tuskegee Airplane Factory Builders!, followed by,

The Tuskegee Airplane Factory Building Suppliers!, followed by,

The Tuskegee Airplane Factory Building Supply-route and Shipping Managers!

Questions for Discussion:

1. Did you know that Tuskegee Airplanes were ingeniously financed using EBT cards?

2. What was the role of the prestigious University of Kinshasa in the innovative design of the ground-breaking Tuskegee Airplane?

More amazing historical reality, coming right up on Amazing Modern History!

YIH said...

WSHH's funniest ho videos
Gots me 'da weeb! Gots me 'da weeb!
NBA union trying new tactic!
Might just kill the whole season!
(please-please-please)

Porter said...

Phalluster,

Whether it be by rakish good looks, lengthy tenure, acerbic wit, or reputation for serial philandering, you somehow manage to express and have published an opinion on our—how to phrase this delicately—loyal, uncriticizable, and ancient friends. My own most recent, and most modest, ruminations on this topic didn’t even survive to be deleted.

Though as for the tusk-and-squeegee airmen flick, I wonder just how many of the 17 patrons packed into the opening night theaters will be cheering for our heroic negro aviators over the nefarious white Germans. Some naïve whites may even be confused as to with which they should relate. The (may we call them crafty?) filmmakers in Hollywood will be certain to alleviate any misunderstanding by emphasizing the unmiscegenated blond hair and blue eyes of the antagonists. For as we have learned through movies immemorial, when evil takes human form this is its preferred appearance.

To deleted anonymous,

Good questions. As I mentioned once at Mangans regarding black enablers, everywhere we see all of the Earth’s tribes working assiduously for their own interests, while whites also work assiduously for the interests…of these other tribes. Some begin to question just who are all of these “white liberals” who tell us we have no right to free association or self-determination in our own lands? Are they of our tribe or another? And if the latter, might it be possible that their interests are not ours? If our interests do not coincide, is it healthy for them to wield so much influence over us? And if it is not healthy, if it is in fact a contributor to our ongoing dispossession, would it be too terribly off-putting to ask that they kindly stop it?

Though as you are no doubt learning, these questions may only be asked sotto voce, lest the audience gasp in horror and rend their undergarments in grief and rage.

Van said...

In 1776, George Thomas Jefferson of the world famous Tuskegee Institute wrote the Declaration of Independence, and the War for American Independence began. After a disastrous beginning under Washington, the Institute dispatched DeShawn La Fayett to lead the racially diverse troops to victory.

Lily White said...

Irony on parade! Black organizations like the Tuskegee Airmen and Negro League Baseball being held up as superior to anything we silly ol' Whites have accomplished, the never ending deification of MLK, Jackie Robinson, Malcolm X, et. al., affirmative action, quotas, Black History month (which I swear gets longer every year!), the United Negro College Fund, the media not mentioning race when reporting on a crime and the perp is Black, and the list goes on...

Meanwhile, we're supposed to swallow this bilge that WE'RE the privileged ones.

Anonymous said...

But warlord George Lucas's film showed them being able to shoot down the 262 by doing some stupid loop the loop.

Pearl Harbor had 120+ inaccuracies thta the US Navy asked to be removed from the script.

All of the errors were left in. I wonder why?

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Guys,

There are other sites to talk about that. This is SBPDL. It's that simple.

I've stated that before. There are plenty of site that are dedicated to the issue being hinted at clandestinely. That's something that doesn't interest me.

You can attack me, not read the site, etc., but this is a one-issue blog. And it continues to grow because of that.

You can believe whatever you want - that's really the only freedom we really have - but this site is SBPDL.

Please respect that. You can read your MacDonald,; you can read your Mangan; but this site is SBPDL.

I'm uninterested in discussing that topic (just like I'm uninterested in bashing gays 24/7 -- which doesn't mean I agree with the homosexual lobby) it's just this site is dedicated to one issue.

Please respect that. I'm proud of what has been accomplished here; and I believe in continuing to grow this site.

To expand its reach. To enlarge the ranks of those who can see. What they end up seeing is ultimately there intellectual decision, there prerogative but this is merely SBPDL.

Jew, gentile, Black, white, Hispanic, and Asian may post here. Liberal, conservative, homosexual, Christian, atheist, deist, Austrian Economist, socialist, etc. But the subject matter is always SBPDL.

This blog started as a joke. That its grown is a testament to the readership who find value in what was written and their desire to learn and ultimately engage this admittedly poorly run comment section. And, to share ideas found here with their friends.

But please respect that this SBPDL.

Some people may be shocked to learn that each post is written by one person. There is no coalition of people collectively known as "PK": it's one person.

I ask that you respect the desire to keep this SBPDL and will understand if you decide to stop reading because of this.

But know this: SBPDL will continue to grow; new people will see an entry from this site on a random search or notice a facebook post from a friend and find their way here; and it will continue to be because this site never strays from its origins: Stuff Black People Don't Like.

Anonymous said...

Ret'd LAPD here. Growing up I got to meet a lot of WW2 vets, since my father was one of them. Great people, many whose accomplishments and contributions will never get any acclaim simply because they're white. And according to Hollywood, whites have had too much attention lavished upon them; it's black people's turn now.

These wonderful, brave men I met at my dad's VFW post, whose exploits were often unimaginable, will be overshadowed by the zeal to showcase blacks as being somehow equivalent in their service and dedication. I met so many pilots, who had so many stories. Sadly most have passed on without telling their loved ones of the things they saw and endured.

What annoyed me most about the trailer for this movie is Terence Howard's attitude towards his superiors. Scowling, demanding, making whitey give in. What will never be lauded are the whites who paved the way for blacks to get into the cockpit, trained them, kept training them despite their failures, and led them into battle. Blacks did it all on their own, whitey be damned, sucka!

There was a show recently on the History Channel called "World War 2 in HD" with vets being interviewed and their wartime letters read by latter day famous people. One person featured was one of the Tuskegee Airman. When he spoke, he was very clear and pronounced his words properly, indicative of a proper education. Yet his wartime letters were voiced over by "LL Cool J" (what kind of a fucking name is that?) in ebonics. It was comical yet very telling, having an articulate black WW2 vet have his stories recollected by some ghetto douche speaking gibberish.

I won't be seeing this film because it is pure propaganda. Bits and pieces of true events embellished into a stew of false illustriousness. I would just get angry and demand my ten bucks back.

Anonymous said...

Semper Fi from Southern Indiana.

Read with interest the book on Negro participation in WW II. Charles Hall, the Tuskegee Airman who is credited from shooting down the first enemy aircraft from this unit, is from my hometown (Brazil, IN).

He has a street named after him and wherever the Negro hall of fame is these, he is mentioned.
Hall did not return to Brazil after the war and that is what is remembered about him in town.

By the way, the street named after him runs through the section of town where the coloreds lived (Stringtown).

City fathers must have thought that was an honor but that street is in an out of the way area of town. Not exactly off Main Street!

Getting back to the book “THE EMPLOYMENT OF NEGRO TROOPS by Ulysses Lee, someone who has more time than I needs to summarize the problems the colored man brought to the military. What I can gather is
1- Many were illiterate
2- Few knew what a prophylactic was and much less wanted to use it.
3- Syphilis was almost epidemic among potential draftees and soldiers.
4- Generally colords were adequate in support units but were deficient in combat or first echelon assignments.
5- The Tuskegee program was the darling of Eleanor Roosevelt so it had to succeed at all costs.

History is full myths and the last place you want to get our “history” from is the History Channel and/or Military Channel. Full of BS!
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A response to “Anonymous said...
"Comment deleted: This post has been removed by a blog administrator."
I presume this was my comment,

I am not speaking for Paul K.

This site is SBPDL not Rens--.com, R- -.com, Ic---.com, or ---------landia. You are trying to bring in issues about other ethnic groups. That is not the purpose of this blog.

All of us realize DWLs are enabling climate change for a variety of reasons.

Since Paul pays for this site he is within his right to limit the focus just as other sites do.

If PK keeps SBPDL focused, the underlying enablers will become apparent and exposed.

All ethnic groups have peculiarities and this means whites (which I am one) as well as Negroes, Germans, Jews, Chinamen, and Aborigines. Each could have its own website/blog such as
SJDL
SCDL
SADL
SGDL.

So my suggestion is since most of us are streetwise enough to know what is going on behind the scenes, stay focused on what PK is offering-SBPDL; if you don’t then stop contributing and reading. Go somewhere else.

JFT (Just for thought)
Sports are a part of American culture and what PK is writing about is a direct reflection of what DWLs want for us.

I have more to ramble about but I’ll save it.

Semper Fi from south of I-70 in Indiana where the Negros generally behave themselves. Furthermore, they and do not reside here in large numbers. Do you think it may be that the area was known even into the 1990s as a Klan area-but it wasn’t. Just a bad reputation lives a long time.

How lucky can one be?

Silent Running said...

The Germans in World War II did not take their ace pilots and have them train new pilots. They kept them in the war effort until they accounted for absolutely mind-boggling amount of dogfight kills, tank kills, etc.

Erich Hartmann: 352 kills

Gerhard Barkhorn: 300 kills

Gunther Rall: 275 kills

By comparison, the highest-scoring American ace was Richard Bong, with 40 kills.

I am unsure why you did not see fit to publish it, but it is your blog, and you have your reasons.

Maybe because he didn't want to see his thread hijacked and this blog turned into another plague tent. The WWW already has plenty of those.

And stop being fatuous. You lot act like you're in possession of secret, damning information and most people don't want to hear it out of some bizarre sense of fear. The reality is that 1) the total removal of said "enablers" would not solve any of the problems that blacks or other problem populations produce, and 2) once on your favorite topic, we'd never leave it; then some people get accused of secret motivations, then the purges begin. No thanks. Roil yourself into a lather elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

"LL Cool J" (what kind of a fucking name is that?)

Ladies Love Cool James bringin' street cred to history!

Eric Hale said...

Keep focused on the problem with BRA! the youths you reach will no doubt venture from here to find out the causes and solutions to the postmodern dilemma. Keep the sports stories, young men sit up and pay attention to them. Keep the crime, policy, and history stories, the elders among us listen and expound on them in the comments section.

Ethnic self-determination is a fundamental human right.... to which we are denied. SBPDL is a voice crying in the wilderness.

One people. One nation. One future.

Phalluster said...

Whether it be by rakish good looks, lengthy tenure, acerbic wit, or reputation for serial philandering,

Thanks for that, it brightened my day.

As you know, the answer is all of those things. Presenting a well-rounded, resilient image is crucial for inspiring commiseration and speaking truth to power. After all, we whites are the "jack of all trades" race: very good at everything, wholly lacking in nothing.

If I were to comment at a 'Game' website, I might choose a handle like "Cannon's Canon", since Game is inherently foppish and passive-aggressive. Conveying the image of my massive biceps would showcase my versatility in a realm of specialization. A diversified portfolio, if you will.

Now if I were to transition over to frequenting racially-themed blogs, I would pick a pen name that is irreverent and puerile rather than stern and furnace-forged. "Phalluster" gives me a bit of an infallibility cushion as I hammer out ni&&erdeath comments anonymously. Hey, I might be "race-conscious", but I've got some other stuff going on too!

Marketing unpopular ideas can pose a daunting challenge. Sailer, for example, pulls it off well: he comes across as contemporary, lighthearted, and never particularly subjective on any given day. Paul Kersey here has been cultivating a similar skill set over the months and years, and his natural strength and charisma shines through into the subject matter for stereotypically only pasty, rotund shut-ins. You can tell that he is naturally likeable, and that's such a crucial quality in influencing minds.

Not to heap too much praise onto Paul though - he is image-conscious and fairly so. But the mind does wonder... what concentration of enviable talents must be necessary to unabashedly win the hearts of the misinformed public? I can't wait to find out!

Anonymous said...

I'm not particulary proud of "my" country for bombing German civilians so excuse me if I'm in no hurry to stroke my ego for the bombers efforts. In this case I suppose it is justifiable they were shot down it's just sad the ones who ordered such atrocities were not in them.

Anonymous said...

there are public tours given at the pentagon. they take you around the building while giving a scripted talk. if you ask they may take you by the Tuskegee exhibit. judge the size and scope for yourself compared to the other historical exhibits you'll see on the tour.

Porter said...

But know this:SBPDL will continue to grow.

Smile when you say that, Pilgrim.

But Paul,know this: I hope you do continue to grow; I’d like to think my donations have gone to some worthy endeavor. Though growth in and of itself is about as useful to our people as a cup of warm piss. You could likely grow even more robustly if you adorned the site with flouncing naked women and collaborated with Whiskey on “Stuff I Hate! Hate! Hate! About Flat Asses.” But it’s the purpose of that growth which is key.

And if your purpose, as I have always presumed, is to provide a gateway for white racial awakenings and solidarity, then we are copacetic. Though if your purpose is only toward mere and modest Internet renown, then well, all the best to you. Blacks are indeed a plague, though an easy one to diagnose. Whites must practice conscious denial to maintain the fiction of “We’re all the same” in their programmed minds. They form conclusions based on what they know they should believe rather than on what their own sensory input reveals.

And blacks are not the only group that whites are told on what they should believe. Though I understand it’s the only one you wish to discuss. With that in mind, I’m hopeful that any future effrontery toward whites in the comment section will be met by the admonishment This is SBPDL only. I kind of fancy the notion of being a member of an uncriticizable group.

And I know this site began as a joke. I started participating here about three months in. I recall your joking stage, your nihilist stage, your earnest stage, and now apparently your Fame (I want to live forever!) stage. As I told you once before, I come here only because I believe you have the potential to be a future leader within this movement and for our people. Though if you don’t view yourself as having a people to whom you owe allegiance, then please disabuse me of that misperception.

Phalluster,

Witty as always. You need a blog yourself my friend. Though I hope you know I'll brook no fucking criticism of the Je...suits.

PilotX said...

Ok, not seeing the point. What "myth" are you referring to? There was an all Black unit of flyers and ground support called the "Tuskegee Airmen" and they had a good record that was as good or better than any white unit. My uncle was an Airman and I know a few other original members and all were/are outstanding people and pilots. Many went on to successful careers including medicine and law because at the time racism prevented these men who served their country valiantly from becoming airline pilots so they excelled at other professions. Sad, the racism they had to endure still remains. I applaud them for paving the road so I could become a pilot for a major airline. Maybe if you meet some of the Airmen and do some research the right way you can learn how outstanding they were in spite of the horrible racism they had to put up with.

Anonymous said...

PilotX;

Does Liberia have an air force?

Then STFU about "racism" holding anyone back. Blacks hold themselves back far more effectively than whites. Look to the ACTUAL history of Africa, or the absolutely vicious and disgusting practices in this continent today.

Yet evil, racist whites in the West keep feeding your population explosion.

Wait till we are gone...find out how your Asian masters will treat you. It isn't a pretty thought given what we know about recent Japanese and Chinese history, or the fact that they read Darwin's book and actually believed it, unlike your garden-variety "atheist" SWPL (creationists in practice.)

Had the Tuskeegee airmen fought the Luftwaffe in 1942 rather than the shell of their air force in '44, and you might have a compelling argument.

Tick, tock.

PilotX said...

Well anon it's interesting you bring up Liberia, never been there so what compelling interest would I have in investigating whether o rnot they have an air force. Yes, racism exists as proven by your unintelligent post. Point being the Tuskegee Airmen fought against enemies of their country and did as well as any other unit performing the same mission. What is wrong with honoring their service? BTW, had they been allowed to fight against the Germans earlier they would have performed as well as any other American unit as flying skills are not racially biased but people like you can be. "Wait til 'we' are gone" who is this mysterious we and last i checked no one in this country has a master. Thank you for such a delightful chat, maybe we can continue it again someday.
BTW, there is a LONG history of whites holding people of color back in this country, maybe you chould read up on it as well as your studies of Africa.

PilotX said...

"Yet evil, racist whites in the West keep feeding your population explosion."

And I'm from Chicago so I'm in the west too. Ha, gotta love the ignorant racist mind.

Molly Brazen said...

"SBPDL - because truth is a terrible thing to waste." is good, hearkening back to an origianl DWL guilt trip, but

"SBPDL - because reality is racist" might be better.

P.S. "vice" -> "vise"

Californian said...

Sad, the racism they had to endure still remains.

What "racism" is that?

* Name a single law which discriminates against blacks in the USA.

* Name a single government agency which discriminates against blacks in the USA.

* Name a single state which does not allow black people to vote in the USA.

* Name a single public university which discriminates against blacks in admissions in the USA.

* Name a single serious private university which discriminates against blacks in admissions in the USA.

* Name a single town which has separate bathrooms for whites and blacks in the USA.

* Name a single corporation which has a "Blacks Need Not Apply" sign out front in the USA.

* Name a single neighborhood with a "Whites Only" billboard in the USA.

* Name a single mainstream media network which has an editorial policy supporting segregation or which demonizes the civil rights movement in the USA.

* Name a single taxpayer supported institution or corporate foundation which calls for a return to segregation in the USA.

* Name a single government agency, corporation or public university which has an anti-diversity program to train people in how to discriminate against blacks in the USA.

* Name a single branch of the armed forces which can be proven in a court of law to discriminate against blacks when it comes to pilot training.

Tell us how you, yes you as a black person are being discriminated against in the USA today.

And then tell me if you can take advantage of:

* Affirmative action.
* Corporate grants and scholarships for minorities.
* Government set-aside contracts for minorities.
* Black studies departments and black student groups on universities.
* Black legal advocacy organizations (such as the NAACP).
* A Black Congressional Caucus.

Now, show me where similar policies or organizations exist for white people.

So what is this "racism" today about which you post?

Anonymous said...

Many went on to successful careers including medicine and law because at the time racism prevented these men who served their country valiantly from becoming airline pilots so they excelled at other professions.

Medicine and law are lesser professions than being an airline pilot?
You learn something new everyday!

Anonymous said...

PilotX Stated:

Ok, not seeing the point. What "myth" are you referring to? There was an all-Black unit of flyers and ground support called the "Tuskegee Airmen" and they had a good record that was as good as or better than any white unit.

While difficult to compare unit to unit numbers due to differences in theatre demands and time in field, a close 'apples to apples' comparison can be made between the 332nd Fighter Group (the Tuskegee Airmen 'Red Tails') and the 325th Fighter Group (Checker Tails')

Both were part of the 12th Air Force initially then the 15th. Both were deployed and based roughly the same times in North Africa, Sicily and finally Italy. Both flew similar missions, often together and both consisted of 4 squadrons each while with the 15th.

Most notably, both were issued and flew the same aircraft (p-40 Warhawks initially then p-47 Thunderbolts and p-51 Mustangs) and upgraded within weeks of each other.

A quick rundown on stats:

Confirmed Air Kills;
332nd 112
325th 529

Missions and Sorties;
332nd 15000
325th 19000

Aces (5 or more confirmed air kills)

332nd 0
325th 15

I'm not disparaging their service, what is irksome is the uber-warrior myth that has been created surrounding them at the expense of others whose service has been ignored or downplayed.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure that PilotX has never, ever benefitted from affirmative action in his life.

My "white privilege" had me passed over for a position as an RN for a "woman of color" despite my 9 years of experience compared to her one.

I feel so privileged right now. Pop the champagne, I'm oppressing minorities with my unearned unemployment!

PilotX said...

"Medicine and law are lesser professions than being an airline pilot?
You learn something new everyday!"

Show me where I stated these were lesser professions, reading is fundamental.

As far as the 332nd's air to air record most of their earlier missions consisted of air to ground sorties because they were prevented from air to air missions until late in their deployment.

Californian, racism exists today as evident by this very site and posts by such "enlightened" posters. Ha! but seriously you don't think that if a person such as our anonymous nurse if in a position of hiring others would get "us" back for her perceived slights? As far as asking if I have been a recepient of affirmative action well the FAA mandates I have the same qualifications and training as everyone else so not really but historically in aviation white men were the biggest recipients of AA but we never use those terms. Like I stated of the close to 1,000 Tuskegee Airmen only 1 got a job as a commercial airline pilot because of racism. At United Airlines they hired hundreds of white males who didn't even havwe a commercial pilots license and paid for their training while ignoring the hundreds of qualified Black men and white women with thousands of flight hours in military aircraft but we can't talk about that. White people benefit presently from centuries of white affirmative action and if you aren't successful today AFTER your parents and grandparents had such an advantage over mine as Herman Cain said "blame yourself".

PilotX said...

"Now, show me where similar policies or organizations exist for white people."

These organizations don't HAVE to exist nor did they ever have to because white people never suffered discrimination based on the color of their skin. Well, except for affirmative action which years ago was just called "we don't hire/accept no n's" which in my particular profession was widespread. Whites represent almost 100% of the senate and close to 90% of the house so in your mind is a congressional white caucus even needed?
Racism today isn't as obvious as yesteryear because yes do to the efforts of NAACP lawyers it is illegal to discriminate but it just went underground. Take for example the study that shows corporations simply do not call applicants with "Black" names, different tactics same results. I agree that it is not as rampant as in the past but if you think racism is gone that is a mistake. And funny you miss the irony of posting on a site dedicated to pointing out the faults of one race of people and guess which race. If you don't see that I don't know what to say. Just as in the past even Klan members denied being racists. Interesting.

Tech9 said...

PilotX - why in the hell are you on this site?

If you're so anti-racist and want to be rid of us evil NAHHHHHZIS, then why are you here?

Why aren't you out feeding the poor, volunteering at a battered women's shelter or working with an organization like Food Not Bombs to feed the homeless?

Oh and BTW, the above is mostly done by whites to feed and help mostly, non-whites.

I think you're trying to shame whitey into having some sort of white guilt.

Not happening. The jig is up.

If you're trying to shame someone like me who is a racial separatist, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Most of the posters on here are free of white guilt and we really don't need some sanctimonius cry-baby showing us the error of our ways.

You're either a non-white hater or a self-hating white person.

The grovelling and the self-flagellation of self hating whites is really quite sickening.

Anonymous said...

PilotX replied:

"As far as the 332nd's air to air record most of their earlier missions consisted of air to ground sorties because they were prevented from air to air missions until late in their deployment."

Really? As I stated before, both the 332nd and 325ths deployment and missions mirrored each other’s throughout the war. While stationed in N. Africa, both groups used the P-40, which was short ranged compared to the later p47 and p-51, with could utilize drop tanks which extended their range so they could escort LR bombers to their targets.

One of the most common missions early on was raiding airfields on Sicily and Sardinia. Both units made multiple raids and escort missions of medium bombers on these airfields while based in Tunisia prior to the invasion of Sicily in July of '43, and both were defended by Italian and German units. (Btw, I was incorrect on the number of Aces in the 325th. I stated there were 15. The total was actually 27.)

http://325thfg.org/

Van said...

Regarding how discriminating against blacks supposedly calls the achievements of individual whites into question:

Until very recently, this country was over 90% white. For simplicity, we'll use 90% white and 10% black.

Now let's say blacks are simply shut out. For a white person to succeed, he must still openly compete against 90% of the potential workforce.

Fast forward to present day. AA blatantly favors blacks, at a time when whites are around 65% of the population (blacks about 12%). A moderately competent black person has 65% of his competition removed. Of course, when you only consider college educated non-felons the ratio of black to white is much smaller than 12:65, so the advantage for a college educated black is even stronger.

When it comes to calling the accomplishments of an individual into question, the two situations are not comparable. Not even close.


Questions for PilotX:

Why is the history of sub-Saharan Africans so completely devoid of accomplishment? Why are the most successful blacks always in some way dependent on white societies?

If the races are so completely equal, shouldn't this be reflected in both individual and societal achievement?

What do you think the US would be like if all the blacks decided to emigrate next month?

Why did native sub-Saharan Africans do nothing with the natural resources in Africa, yet the Europeans found so many uses? Why did the former colonies generally fall apart when the Europeans left?

Anonymous said...

I happen to be a WWII Aviation buff. One of the claims made for the 332nd Group is that they had a method of escorting bombers the other units didn't. Namely, the 332nd would stay with the bombers in close escort rather than chase after German fighters.

The idea was that white American fighter pilots were more interested in running up victory totals than the welfare of the "Big Friends." The black fighter pilots were according to their admirers, braver and less selfish.

However, the 8th Air Force, which started operations from England full-scale in the Spring of 1943, already tried that method. It didn't work. The best way to protect the bombers was to aggresively go after the Germans. The two main fighter leaders in the 8th, Hubert Zemke and Don Blakeslee, worked out the method of fighter escort.

How many people today have even heard of Zemke and Blakeslee?

When the 332nd was escorting 15th Air Force bombers, there were only small numbers of Luftwaffe and Axis fighters in the theater. They weren't having to contend with large numbers of enemy fighters. Staying right beside the bombers wouldn't work if that happened.

Californian said...

Californian, racism exists today as evident by this very site and posts by such "enlightened" posters.

We have something called "Free Speech" in this country, or at least are supposed to. It's a basic civil right. If people want to be what you call "racist," then why can't they be "racist?" I would think that black people would have some understanding of how dissenting from prevailing egalitarian ideologies would be a basic civil right.

Let's take this further. We can have every manner of Marxist teach on American public universities, all with the approval of liberal administrations and, as far as I can determine, little to no opposition from the NAACP et alia. Given the tens of millions of people that Marxist regimes have killed and enslaved over the last century, you'd think this might cause some reconsideration on this point. But no, Marxists are perfectly legit while "racists" are heretic to be purged.

As far as asking if I have been a recepient of affirmative action well the FAA mandates I have the same qualifications and training as everyone else so not really but historically in aviation white men were the biggest recipients of AA but we never use those terms.

This has been the most recent party line to justify discrimination against white men. You are saying that white men today, simply because of the color of their skin, should be discriminated against to make up for something which you allege was done to black people a century past?

Why on earth would any sane white person agree to such a deal? And isn't this, well, "racism" on your part? After all, you are judging people solely on the color of their skin.

As for having similar qualifications, I would refer you to the numerous cases where the NAACP has pushed cities into lowering standards for firefighter and police officer recruits in the interests of racial norming. And then we can look at how universities do the same by rigging admissions requirements to get in favored minorities.

At United Airlines they hired hundreds of white males who didn't even havwe a commercial pilots license and paid for their training while ignoring the hundreds of qualified Black men and white women with thousands of flight hours in military aircraft but we can't talk about that.

Yeah? So? UA was a private company. They had (at that time) the legal right to hire whomever they wanted.

Let me ask you a question: why didn't blacks or white liberals form their own airline and hire all these black pilots you claim were qualified?

Why is it that today, with all the AA and government set asides and foundation grants, we do not see a level of black entrepreneurship equal proportionally to white? Look at cutting edge fields such as IT. These are dominated by whites and Asians. And let me remind you, Asians were "disadvantaged" in the USA in the past. Why is it that they are leading in many major universities while blacks can not/do not compete?

White people benefit presently from centuries of white affirmative action and if you aren't successful today AFTER your parents and grandparents had such an advantage over mine as Herman Cain said "blame yourself".

Blacks had the benefit of thousands of years of Africa prior to colonialism. Why didn't they produce a fraction of the science, technology, literature, art, cities, etc., that my ancestors did? Why not show us sub-Saharan Africa's equivalent of the Renaissance, or Industrial Revolution, or even of the cultural achievements of the Hindus or Muslims or East Asians or Mesoamericans?

If you want to play this card, then you might consider that white people deserve, yes deserve their so-called privilege. If white people can produce societies which are economically and technologically and culturally advanced, then why shouldn't white people gain said advantages?

Californian said...

I want to continue with the PilotX thread.

What PilotX writes is a rehash of the party line, one that is being currently pushed by the race hustlers. And it is a party line, one which you will hear in academia, in the media, from the government, and in public forums. Like most party lines, it falls apart the moment that you analyze it rationally, but will be repeated ad infinitum and ad nauseam.

Remember, though, blacks have gotten everything they demanded over the last half century. Everything! An end to de facto segregation, passing of civil rights and EO legislation, affirmative action, forced busing, war on poverty, black studies departments, government and corporate grants, Section 8, MLK national holiday, "hate crime" laws, the retrial of the Rodney King LAPD officers, the mainstream media supporting the black narrative of the civil rights struggle, the destruction of white rule in South Africa.

And all that has, apparently, failed to create "equality." It's also failed to stop the demands. Like blackmailers, the more you give them, the more they demand.

A question I have for PilotX: at what point will blacks stop their demands? their guilt tripping? their race hustling?

After half a century of whites caving in to every black demand, blacks are still demanding more, as well as failing to hold up their end of the deal. Look at the black rates of incarceration for violent crime, for illegitimacy, for school drops outs, for multi-generational welfare dependency, for failing to creating the number of businesses that even third world immigrants seem capable of producing.

Growing numbers of Americans are getting fed up with both the demands and the dysfunction. Websites like this one are spreading through the NET as one result. And it's not the KKK or Neo-Nazis. Otherwise moderate and even liberal Americans are waking up.

Now here is a question for you: if, by stopping the race hustling, you could avoid a massive white backlash which just might sweep away all of the achievements of the civil rights movement, would you do it? Would you knock off the demands and the guilt tripping? Or will you continue them until things go past the point of no return?

Californian said...

And even more of the PilotX thread (the fun just doesn't stop...):


These organizations don't HAVE to exist nor did they ever have to because white people never suffered discrimination based on the color of their skin.

For starters, discrimination against blacks was not because of the "color of their skin." It was because, during the segregation era, the prevailing scientific belief was that race was a matter of genetics, and that genetics produced different group behaviors between blacks and whites (regardless of the merits of individuals).

Blacks were believed to be more violent (higher violent crime rates), more prone to sexual promiscuity (with the corresponding spread of VD and illegitimacy), having lower median IQ (thereby requiring a different schooling system), etc.

Maybe these beliefs were wrong. But--and this must be hammered home--these beliefs and the policies that they produced had nothing to do with color of skin. (Though, of course, color was used as a crude marker for public facilities, and there were some people who were prejudiced simply over skin color.)

As for whites "never [suffering] discrimination based on the color of their skin," I detailed in my prior posts the specific ways in which white people have been discriminated against in law over the last half century.

Whites represent almost 100% of the senate and close to 90% of the house so in your mind is a congressional white caucus even needed?

White politicians have consistently supported a party line which is adverse to white interests:
* Supporting AA, EO, government grants and contracts to minorities, et alia.
* Pushing through the welfare state, Section 8, and every other social engineering scheme to benefit blacks, often at the expense of white taxpayers and homeowners.
* Failing to repeal any of the above.
* De facto opening the borders to third world immigration via various bills, as well as refusing to enact serious controls on illegal immigration. This has resulted in the growing displacement of the white (soon to be former) majority.
* Invading Haiti in 1994 to put the Congressional Black Caucus' man into power.
* Supporting sanctions against white ruled Rhodesia and South Africa. (By the way, are you happy with Bob Mugabe and black majority rule in Zimbabwe?)

Maybe I am wrong in all this. Why don't you name me some bills which the Congress has passed recently to favor white interests at the expense of non-whites?

Californian said...

...and finally...


Racism today isn't as obvious as yesteryear because yes do to the efforts of NAACP lawyers it is illegal to discriminate but it just went underground.

So in other words, you got exactly what you demanded, but that didn't work. Now you claim some vast underground conspiracy against you.


Take for example the study that shows corporations simply do not call applicants with "Black" names, different tactics same results.


And that is all you have? I can point out that this is not discrimination on the basis of race, but based on naming conventions, so it fails to prove your point from the get-go.

And I could point out that the study to which you refer used too small a sample group to be scientific. But even if it were valid, so what? Prior generations of immigrants Americanized their names to assimilate. Why don't blacks learn a lesson here? You want to fit in with the mainstream, you play by their rules. Why should the mainstream bend over backwards to suit naming peccadilloes?

But let us take this further. You claim that "racism" is alive in corporate America.

* How do you feel about the Bill Gates' scholarship which deliberately excludes white applicants? Are you and the NAACP opposed to this discrimination on the basis of skin color?

* How do you feel about corporate foundations funding assorted minority and pro-minority radical groups. Try googling this one and see how much cash groups such as the NAACP, La Raza, the ACLU, Acorn, the Urban League, et alia get from the "racist" corporate power structure.

* How do you feel about corporations having programs specifically for minorities, such as set-aside contracts, scholarships, "365 Black" campaigns, etc?

* How do you feel about the corporate media supporting the liberal narrative when it comes to portraying the civil rights movement of the 1950s/60s? When was the last time you saw a movie or television show produced since the 1950s which glorified segregation? Or which supported apartheid in South Africa?

* Why, with all the advantages that blacks have in the USA (minority grants, set-asides, a supportive media, etc.) do blacks not then create their own corporations and compete with the dreaded white corporate power structure?

And funny you miss the irony of posting on a site dedicated to pointing out the faults of one race of people and guess which race.

There are plenty of websites, as well as university programs, activist groups, government policies, UN commissions and heaven-knows-what-else pointing out the faults of white people and white civilization.

Looks like you can dish it out, but can not take it.

In the meantime, I assume you do support the free speech rights of the participants in this website.

Free speech is, after all, a civil right.

Over and out.

For now.

Silent Running said...

White people benefit presently from centuries of white affirmative action....

You poor child. You think that you and all the other little grievance lobbies are on equal footing with us, don't you? You actually believe yourself capable of creating what we have created. You are not.

Western White people created this country from nothing. You, with your endless mewling about a larger and larger slice of the pie, have merely been along for the ride from day 1. You agitate for a higher place within white society, but you are incapable of creating a similarly successful society for yourself.

If Caucasians receive AA, it was provided by Mother Nature in the form of a 100 IQ. Take it up with her.

Anonymous said...

Many went on to successful careers including medicine and law because at the time racism prevented these men who served their country valiantly from becoming airline pilots so they excelled at other professions.

Why was piloting airplanes so important they were kept out of doing it but medicine and law was not forbidden to them?

Anonymous said...

Many went on to successful careers including medicine and law because at the time racism prevented these men who served their country valiantly from becoming airline pilots so they excelled at other professions.

Why was piloting airplanes so important they were kept out of doing it but medicine and law was not forbidden to them?

RobertB said...

On PilotX' assertion: "White people benefit presently from centuries of white affirmative action and if you aren't successful today AFTER your parents and grandparents had such an advantage over mine as Herman Cain said "blame yourself"."

I'm not sure why any of you even bother to argue this point--with anyone. Your proper response should be to laugh at the notion of it. Does anyone decry Chinese Privilege or Japanese Privilege or Hindu Privilege or Arab Privilege? Of course not. How ridiculous is it to fault an indigenous people for securing for their own? When I was born, this nation was 87% white European--50% of whom were of direct English decent. Of course we had most of the jobs, education, status positions, etc. What were we supposed to do, import a foreign people to take these positions from us? Well, that is what happened, but that in itself is insane--just as insane as asserting that, as nearly 90% of the population, we should have elected people to public office that represented less than 10% of that population. Or give them our wealth. Don't play that game with these people--don't even bother to. Any type of acknowledgement at all gives credence to their insane proposition. Rather, instead, focus on our denied Constitutional Right of Freedom Of Association. There was no limit placed upon that in the Constitution. It never said Freedom To Associate except in your schools, your business' or communities. It was axiomatic that all of those places were included with that right. Just as it was axiomatic that a people should favor their own and that those people should enjoy the fruits of their labors and pass them on to their children.

All else is simply Marxism, including the very idea of "racism". BTW, it's also a denial of private property rights--also enshrined in the Constitution.

RobertB said...

"Why was piloting airplanes so important they were kept out of doing it but medicine and law was not forbidden to them?"

Because in my father's day, no white person would have gotten on a plane piloted by a black person--they had better sense than to do that. Likewise, no one white would have gone to a black doctor, either, but if blacks wanted to, that was their business.

So, to answer your question, in 1955, say, a business was still considered private property and therefor able to hire whomever they pleased--just like you can still choose what station to watch on your TV--in your home, and for now. Any airline that hired blacks back then to pilot a plane would have gone out of business in a year. No one would have flown on it.

PilotX said...

"Why should the mainstream bend over backwards to suit naming peccadilloes?"

That sir is ridiculous on its face. You're saying corporations discriminate because of what someone is named? But to sum it up Californian you seem upset because of supposed set asides for Black people and how we don't "assimilate" do you have the same problem with women? I mean there are all kinds of womens organizations and womens studies departments at universities and of course they even (gasp) have their own restrooms. Think about why this is and maybe you'll have an idea how to answer your own questions.

"Pushing through the welfare state, Section 8, and every other social engineering scheme to benefit blacks, often at the expense of white taxpayers and homeowners.

Also BS because millions of whites benefit from these programs as I am a tax payer too. Most welfare recipients are white sir. Hell, West Virginia is one big white welfare paradise, you should visit sometime.

'We have something called "Free Speech" in this country, or at least are supposed to. It's a basic civil right. If people want to be what you call "racist," then why can't they be "racist?"

I completely agree Cali but then again with so much evidence of racism don;t ask why the CBC or Black studies courses are still needed.

BTW so called AA and preferences are needed because of the centuries of white racism and white AA. If your parents and grandparents had been more egalitarian in their attitudes there would be no need for any of this. And yes, you exercise your free speech rights by posting racist garbage on a site such as this and I exercise mine by associating with fellow Black people and attending Black studies classes. Seems logical huh?

PilotX said...

Good book "When Affirmative Action was white" by Ira Katznelson. Answers alot of questions.

Anonymous said...

If the blacks are so tired of supporting White Humans who on welfare (I'd like to see the stats on how many Whites on welfare have mixed-race children and are unwed) then what would be the big deal about separating our tax revenues?

Allowing competing currencies with private control?

AA is only needed to prop up the nonsensical idea that the blacks belong in a White Society (notice how once the Asian community became a nice target for gang initiations, robberies, home invasions and Knockout they got their AA preferences rolled back? lol it's so transparent, it's comical).

If you just picked an area of the country and settled there as a group, you would find everyone else will get as far away from you as possible and then you will have complete control of the area and it's resources. I don't understand why the blacks just don't Craft airplanes out of raw material and design airports and build them in areas controlled by the blacks and then offer up their piloting services to all who would want them.

Why use force of violence to place yourself into White Human society?

Anonymous said...

PilotX, of course white people are the majority of welfare recipients, they're the overall majority population.

In terms of proportions, more black people are on welfare than white people. I know you people aren't too good at math, so I'll just point you to the Section 8 riot in Atlanta and challenge you to find a non-black face in that crowd.

PilotX said...

"Why use force of violence to place yourself into White Human society?"

Most of us view ourselves as AMERICANS! All of us, we have a stake in this country and the vast majority of AMERICANS share the philosophy that we are all equal. Sad there are ignorant racists still around crowing of the accomplishments of "their" people while not being responsible for a damned thing. Oh, well one day this sickness may go away as we become a browner nation and hopefully smarter.

PilotX said...

"For starters, discrimination against blacks was not because of the "color of their skin." It was because, during the segregation era, the prevailing scientific belief was that race was a matter of genetics, and that genetics produced different group behaviors between blacks and whites (regardless of the merits of individuals)."

And how does one deliniate how one is different? Oh that's right, by the color of their skin. While that may have been true for some the vast majority of ignorant racists just hated people because they were different and this ignorance led people to believe this nonsense.

Netzach said...

PilotX,

"BTW so called AA and preferences are needed because of the centuries of white racism and white AA. If your parents and grandparents had been more egalitarian in their attitudes there would be no need for any of this."

Untrue. I happen to write from an European nation which, until about 20 years ago, had no blacks and few other minorities. Guess what? We now have "positive special treatment", AA by a other name. Not to the extent of USA, but it's been growing slowly. And oh, we never had any colonies either, so forget that argument.

If blacks had come to USA 20 years ago, most of them would still do badly, they'd still demand AA, and lots of whites would still fiercely attack those who opposed it.

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

PilotX,

I admire your determination in continued to exchange dialogue here.

If America goes brown, it will no longer be America. For proof of this, check out Los Angeles or Detroit.

Who will fly the planes if we keep going brown? The Tuskegee Airmen?

Also, Black people comprise the bulk of those on welfare.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/character/FY2008/tab08.htm

My sights are set on the Tuskegee Airmen story. Pay close attention to a certain web site for a big article coming in the next few weeks that targets the "Black Top Gun" story that is 'Red Tails'...

Californian said...

If your parents and grandparents had been more egalitarian in their attitudes there would be no need for any of this.

Well, now, PilotX has to insult people long since dead and who are in no position to defend themselves. Mighty brave of PilotX, no? Think he might have said this to their faces 50 or 100 years ago when these people were alive and he was not protected by a PC government, university system and media?

If my "parents and grandparents" (I take it PilotX means white in general) had been more egalitarian, there never would have been slavery, and then where would PilotX and company be?

Think about it, PilotX. You'd be living in Africa. In a black run "paradise" such as Congo or Liberia or Equatorial Guinea or Rwanda or Zimbabwe. Or maybe in Haiti. Think about what your life would be like, and life for your family, were it not for slavery. Wouldn't you just love to live in a black majority rule country, with their endless ethnic violence, their illiteracy, their economic disintegration, their epidemic AIDS rates, their despotism and human rights debacles?

But my "parents and grandparents" removed your ancestors from these incipient debacles, brought them to the New World, gave them education and discipline. And in recent decades, have also given blacks everything they have demanded (see previous posts). And what have you done with all this in America?

High rates of violence against other ethnicities, high rates of school drop outs with attendant illiteracy (one reason that the Fortune 500 is not hiring you, by the way), the inability to maintain the economies of once great cities such as Detroit and Birmingham, high rates of STDs, and the violation of everyone else's right via AA and PC and etc.

When faced with these realities, all that you can do is scream "racism."

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

We might also talk about how the "parents and grandparents" of sub-Saharan Africans sold their countrymen to slave traders (do they owe you reparations?). Or of the role of the Arab slave trade (why not go to the former Barbary States of North Africa and demand AA from them?). Or of how millions of white soldiers and sailors fought against slavery and the slave trade (where would you be today were it not for the Union Army and Royal Navy--perhaps they can send you the bill?).

You might also consider how the "parents and grandparents" of today's African-Americans have been responsible for the destruction of numerous cities via rioting, crime, illegitimacy, corruption and economic mismanagement. (And when are blacks going to pay reparations for all this havoc?)

Could it be that my "parents and grandparents" may have understood a thing or two about race which in these PC days are swept under the rug?

Think about it.

Californian said...

PilotX, let me ask you a question: what if whites got fed up and abolished AA and everything else which I have listed that benefit blacks? Then what? Would blacks be able to function on their own in America?

For example, have you considered forming an airline company, and hiring qualified black pilots, and not discriminating on the basis of, say, their names (maybe you have done this already)? What is to stop blacks from forming such companies right now--especially given all the government and corporate grants and set-aside contracts?

Why don't you explain to us why, after half a century of getting everything they have demanded, blacks still have incredibly high rates of violent crime, illiteracy, illegitimacy, STDs, inability to graduate in science-technology-engineering-math programs, etc. At what point will these dysfunctions become manageable?

Rather than blaming other people's ancestors, have you considered holding blacks accountable for their own behaviors which produce these dysfunctions? For example, blacks could end their high rates of incarceration by the expedient of ceasing the commission of violent crimes, and perhaps even putting down the crack pipe. With fewer blacks in prison, more would be going to college and applying for jobs in Fortune 500 companies.

Do you ever consider this?

You seem to have a lot of anger towards white society, one which leads you to scapegoating white people, especially their ancestors. Yet where would you be if whites pulled up stakes and left?

Look at Detroit. You'd think that with most of the racist whites and racist corporations purged from the city, Detroit would be a paragon of economic development, peaceful progress and honest administration. Is that the case?

Why don't you explain why Rhodesia, back when it was a white run country, had a functional economy and was reasonable stable--even in the face of international sanctions and an insurgency. Now under black majority rule, Zimbabwe is an economic and human rights fiasco.

Is this why you have to continue the endless race hustling? Because without white society to prop you up, you know where you'd end up?

Think about it.

Netzach said...

Californian,

"We might also talk about how the "parents and grandparents" of sub-Saharan Africans sold their countrymen to slave traders (do they owe you reparations?)."

It gets even better, you know. Lots of slaves who were sold to those African slave traders were captured in tribal wars and clan struggles. Now, of course, during most long-running conflicts fortunes change, and those who had taken and sold slaves, often found themselves taken and as sold as slaves. It is impossible to say just what kind of percentage of US blacks has ancestors who took part and profited from slave trade, but it's undoubtedly a big one. Perhaps black-to-black reparations are in order?

Seriously, I'd be the last person to deny that whites have done some seriously atrocious things to blacks, but by and large, blacks haven't been any better to blacks either. Not now, and not then.

Van said...

Californian:

Its really interesting isn't it; whites simply can't win in the minds of blacks - unless we simply "hand over the goods."

In their minds, the failure of blacks to ever do any-fucking-thing to develop any semblance of civilization is not evidence of black inability to do so, but of whites not sharing the wealth. As if Western Civilization just sprung up from the ground, and we happened to be be the ones in the general vicinity; and now we selfishly keep it to ourselves.

I will now predict PilotX's next few statements, and respond to them GWB style (pre-emptively).

"But the racist banks won't lend to blacks! I read about blacks being twice as likely as whites to be denied, even if they had the same income; therefore I conclude that most blacks can't get loans."

The truth, of course, is that the oft-(mis)quoted FHA study included a small disclaimer indicating that credit history/rating, net worth, down payment, employment stability, and other relevant variables were not controlled for, and that no conclusions regarding discrimination should be drawn. Kind of makes you wonder why they would do the study at all then. And why they haven't been screaming in protest that their study has been so misunderstood. Couldn't be intentional; no, that's crazy conspiracy thinking...

Oh, and "twice as likely" doesn't really tell you anything. If 99% of whites and 98% of blacks are approved, blacks would be "twice as likely" to be denied. In the FHA study, about 85% of whites and 70% of blacks were approved. By the way, when you control of ALL the relevant variables, there is NO disparity in approval rates.

"But the Justice Department has claimed our own system of justice to be racist (only they can't say exactly where or why)!!! So that's why there are so many blacks in prison."

Yes, the JD did release a statement several years ago that blacks were more likely to receive the death penalty. There is the implication that they meant AFTER being convicted of a capital crime. But no, this was just relative to their proportion in the general population. Further review of the records showed that once you account for that all important variable of ACTUALLY COMMITTING A CAPITAL CRIME, blacks are no more likely than whites to be sentenced to death.

Van said...

"But what about the fact that blacks get more time for the same time?"

Well, PilotX, that one is also not true. To get that result, the researchers looked only at very broad crime categories like homicide, robbery, theft. They didn't divide homicide into various degrees of manslaughter; didn't look at the value of merchandise taken; whether or not a weapon was used in the robbery or if the victim was hurt; didn't even look at prior records if I recall. When all of these very relevant variables were controlled for, guess what - no disparity in sentencing. Its almost as if the researchers wanted to get a certain result...

"What about the black name study I already mentioned?"

Until I see one that also looks at stereotypical redneck names like Cletus, Roscoe, Bubba, and Jethro, that study has no validity. If valid, it shows that people have a bias against blacks with stupid names. Not the same as a bias against blacks in general.

"Well there was also that study where they showed whites with criminal records were just as likely to get called back as blacks with college degrees."

Again, the "twice as likely" or "just as likely" wording tells you nothing; or in this case very little. Looking at the numbers, there was potential racism in only 10% of the employers. Surely that is 10% too many for you, but can you genuinely argue that 10% of employers being racist is holding back a group of people who make up 12% of the population (or even about 25% in NYC where the study took place)? Another question that needs to be asked - what were these jobs? The kind of job that an ex-con has a shot at would result in a college grad being considered "over-qualified." We need to know this to evaluate the research.

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By the way, with a name like PilotX, I can't help but wonder: should we really be letting a black Muslim fly a plane?

Van said...

When whites just up and leave a city, and blacks are left to themselves, it turns into a shithole. And then blacks complain about the racist whites who left and took the jobs with them. Years later whites move back in, clean up the neighborhoods, re-establish businesses, and raise property values; displacing the poor blacks. And that, as always, is racist, too.

The only way for whites to not be "racist" is to just take it and don't say a fucking thing. Stick around as crime skyrockets, keep the businesses open, employing blacks, as their is no longer a profit to be made. Allow our children to be displaced by AA (if you ever have the balls to look at the facts, PilotX - very few blacks get into college without being pushed ahead of more qualified whites. Well documented and proven).

But deep down, blacks know damn well that its a bullshit. They know we aren't racist - they're shouts are just the temper tantrum of a spoiled child exploiting the tactic that he has learned will get mommy to give in. The reason I can say this?

Worldwide, whenever a people considers themselves to be oppressed by living as a minority among another group of people, what do they eventually demand?

Autonomy. The Kurds, Tibetans, Palestinians. On and on. After so many years of complaining about oppression, if blacks really believed it, they'd be demanding self-rule; that a piece of the US be carved out for them.

But they don't. In fact, the mere mention of it will cause most of them to become very angry; they will instantly complain about the possibility of being cut off, without realizing that this exposes their knowledge of their own inability to provide for themselves.

Blacks are the equivalent of fleas that have the nerve to complain about the dog scratching and shaking them off; hyenas that complain that the zebra won't just roll over and expose its belly; crocodiles upset that the young wildebeest won't willingly step into the water; rapists offended that their victims have the nerve to protest.

RobertB said...

PilotX--

One word for you:

"Somali"

Nuff said

Zenster said...

Anonymous (November 17, 2011 7:41 AM): If you just picked an area of the country and settled there as a group, you would find everyone else will get as far away from you as possible and then you will have complete control of the area and it's resources.

This has already happened. The place is called "Detroit". More than any other American city, it embodies the Black culture of congenital incompetence, endemic corruption, lack of assimilation, rejection of technology and ― without the least shred of irony ― an embrace of extra-vicious criminality in the form of Islam.

The Dearborn, Michigan area has one of America's most dense Muslim populations (in every sense). They have sought to prohibit any hourly chiming of Christian church bells as being offensive to local Muslim sensitivities, even as those same Muslims have sought permission to have mosques broadcast amplified calls to Salat Ul Fajr, the morning's prayer at dawn.

No hypocrisy there.

Far more indicative is how the "underwear bomber", one Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, sought to blow a large passenger jet airliner out of the sky during its approach to Detroit's airport.

Is anyone sensing a supreme irony here?

An Islamic terrorist attempts to down a passenger jet airliner in one of America's most densely populated Muslim areas with an, almost certain, massive loss of Muslim life..

Who do you think would have been blamed if this heinous plan had succeeded? Islam? Or, perhaps, THE JEWS? Just as they were framed for the 9-11 atrocity.

Detroit, more than any other American city ― except, maybe, Compton ― exemplifies what happens when Blacks are handed the reins of self-control. This is not to mention what occurs when Islam is allowed to flourish within such an obviously Black dystopia.

Finally, please never forget that the Obama administration portrayed both Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab and the Fort Hood massacre perpetrator, Major Nidal Malik Hasan (killer of 13 people), as "lone wolves" whose terrorist acts were, "isloated incidents".

This, despite how both were indoctrinated by the exact same person, Anwar al-Awlaki, who has been found to have connections to the 9-11 atrocity itself.

This is the same Anwar al-Awlaki that was recently offed by an American predator drone in Yemen, regardless of how this measure managed to tell all overseas American citizens that they may be in the crosshairs, NEXT.

What more should we expect from America's Black Run Communities?

Zenster said...

Tech9: The jig is up.

Careful, there!

Californian said...

Van: Its really interesting isn't it; whites simply can't win in the minds of blacks - unless we simply "hand over the goods."

As I say, it is a form of blackmail. And like most blackmail, will stop as soon as the victim says, "Enough!"

The danger is that if whites do not stand up and shout "Enough!" while there is time, they will find themselves wiped off the map. Look at what is happening in black run countries such as Rhodesia and Zimbabwe.

Regarding the criminal justice situation: once again, we see that when you look at the facts, things support the race realist perspective. Blacks are in jail at higher rates than whites because they are committing more crimes, and more serious crimes.

But there is more.

The high crime rates in black areas often overwhelm the criminal justice system. Serious offenses get plea bargained down to ease the load on the system. For example, someone who was arrested for major drug dealing might be charged with just possession and disorderly conduct.

Another thing to consider is mandatory minimum sentences, and zero tolerance policies. These were enacted, in part, to answer black complaints that whites got easier sentences than blacks. The idea was to remove discretion from the system and thereby ensure that suspects got the same treatment regardless of race. Well, mandatory minimums and zero tolerance have been in force for decades, and they indicate that blacks commit more crimes and more serious crimes than whites.

One more thing: what of cities such as Detroit or New Orleans, which are run by blacks, and whose police are recruited from blacks? How can they possibly be "racist?" Or the DoJ under AG Holder?

The thing is, when critics complain that the criminal justice system is "racist," they do not show actual cases: i.e., demonstrate in a court of law that suspect "X" was arrested by police officer "Y" who later confessed he nabbed "X" solely because of his race. Or that judge "Z" struck down evidence for similar reasons. Etc.

Instead, we get nebulous claims that the "system" is "racist." But as The Man said, "Just the fact, ma'am."

QED

Zenster said...

Californian: As I say, it is a form of blackmail.

All of which beggars the question of what threat is being held over the head of White America?

Accusations of "racism"?

If that's all anyone has, I say let them squeal like a stuck pig for all I care. Call me "racist" until the cows come home.

JUST DON'T EXPECT ANY MORE HANDOUTS FROM ME EVER AGAIN.

An eminently fair trade if ever there was one.

Anonymous said...

Another thing to consider is mandatory minimum sentences, and zero tolerance policies. These were enacted, in part, to answer black complaints that whites got easier sentences than blacks. The idea was to remove discretion from the system and thereby ensure that suspects got the same treatment regardless of race. Well, mandatory minimums and zero tolerance have been in force for decades, and they indicate that blacks commit more crimes and more serious crimes than whites.

Crack cocaine was wanted to have harsher sentences because blacks were the primary market.
Then Shantello and Shaquille were getting harsher sentences and the black community wanted lesser sentences because the sentences were racist.
Blacks want something and when they get it they want soemthing else.
Always wanting.

Anonymous said...

This is very upsetting, maybe the stories were exaggerated some, but to suggest that the reason there aren't many black pilots is because they are incapable is racist in and of itself. Reading these comment just confirms that racism is still alive and well in this country and it is sickening! There are lazy people and leeches of society in every race, so don't just single out black people.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous@December 9, 2011 7:50 PM: "There are lazy people and leeches of society in every race, so don't just single out black people."

Black people are singling out themselves with their outrageously disproportionate displays of ignorance, incompetence, and violence.

Anonymous said...

@ Anon.

" the reason there aren't many black pilots is because they are incapable is racist in and of itself."

The TRUTH is the what it is, racism has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Anonymous said...

If your research was done properly you would know that most people that benefit from section 8 and medicare along with other government assistant are of white and spanish decent