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Montgomery is a dangerous place. White flight is creating a permanent Black Undertow class in the capital of Alabama, a center for Black
The Montgomery Advertiser wrote a long article in 2009 about white flight, but failed to point out that similar patterns of retreat would doom the city to the same fate of Birmingham.
Well, here's the latest news from Montgomery:
Police and community groups say they're working to find a way to end a spate of violence in the city after several shootings left three people dead and 22 injured in the past two months.Right now, Detroit occupies the bulk of the 20 zip codes in America with the lowest property value. Birmingham and Montgomery aren't fall behind, as the population that once sustained industry, small businesses and a robust local economy are fleeing the Black Undertow. What they leave behind is for overworked (and underfunded) police and exasperated clergy to deal with.
Police have arrested 11 suspects in the shootings, all of them between the ages of 16 and 23 and most of them 20 or younger.
The Rev. Ed Nettles tells The Montgomery Advertiser that he's working to help forge a truce between two feuding groups.
Nettles, founder of the "Enough Is Enough" campaign against violent crime in Montgomery, said he's begun the process of reaching out to leaders of both groups.
Montgomery Public Safety Director Chris Murphy also said that police are working hard to develop new approaches to the evolving problem.
Black People + Southern Poverty = Violence in Montgomery? No. You can remove some of the variables and just have this: Black people = Violence in Montgomery.
Is this really what Rosa Parks refused to sit in the back of the bus for? So that Black people can be featured on A&E's The First 48?
90 comments:
Does poverty cause crime?
Or does crime cause poverty?
Poverty does not cause crime. This is the classic example of confusing correlation with causality. Crime certainly causes poverty, basically by definition: Any society that wants to prosper will criminalize behavior that impoverishes it.
Of course, crime may have underlying causes but poverty isn't one of them.
A theory I think sbpdl should spend more time ridiculing:
One of the favorite excuses for black criminal behavior is (and has been for more than 50 years) the breakdown of the family, absent fathers and all that -- Heather MacDonald being a leading conservative proponent.
The percentage of white single-parent households today is much higher than the black rate in the 1950's. But the black crime rate in the 50's was MUCH higher than white crime rate today.
This well documented fact is simply ignored by the family-breakdown apologists. For example: Time Magazine in 1958:
"In 1,551 U.S. cities, according to the FBI tally for 1956, Negroes, making up 10% of the U.S. population, accounted for about 30% of all arrests, and 60% of the arrests for crimes involving violence or threat of bodily harm..."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810262,00.html#ixzz1d5Z8zwnk
10% of the population perpetrating 60% of the violence. Sound familiar? The #1 predictor of violent behavior is not being impoverished or being male. It's being black, followed by low IQ. And it has been that way for as long as people have tracked the data.
I believe you are close, but missing an obvious reference. If you add "law center" to "southern poverty" you will make a connection.
I commend you for highlighting black dysfunction, however blacks do not really have the general wherewithal to coerce America to subsidize them. Instead, they are being used as a tool by others, more intelligent.
I suggest that you investigate some of the intellectual roots (to borrow a word from Haley) of black interests, and discuss the actual efforts of certain non-black, non-Majority groups to displace Majority members, and even the efforts of certain "fellow traveler" Majority members themselves.
If you do that, I believe your work will be much more coherent, and a clearer picture of Majority disposession will manifest.
"I suggest that you investigate some of the intellectual roots (to borrow a word from Haley) of black interests, and discuss the actual efforts of certain non-black, non-Majority groups to displace Majority members, and even the efforts of certain "fellow traveler" Majority members themselves."
I don't think Paul has directly addressed what you're inferring, but many commenters, including myself, have.
Assuming you're referring to the Communists of the 50's and 60's and the modern incarnations of that movement today? And how these movements would use "minority" indigenous populations, to overthrow the existing social and political orders.
If that's what you're getting at, then I agree, but that still doesn't eliminate black propensity to be willing "tools" in the destruction of our civilization.
"...One of the favorite excuses for black criminal behavior is (and has been for more than 50 years) the breakdown of the family, absent fathers and all that -- Heather MacDonald being a leading conservative proponent..."
Anonymous @ 9:39
Double bingo. The very idea of a "black family" is something that was forced on these savages. Unless someone wants to explain the utter lack of same in the cradle of civilization itself?
Left alone, blacks are completely disorganized, and that includes any type of "family unit". They wander, take what they can from whomever/wherever they can, by whatever means necessary - ie, violence, and basically just exist.
But, hey. Let's continue to use human behavior as a guide to black behavior. It seems to be working just fine...
JoeS
"One of the favorite excuses for black criminal behavior is (and has been for more than 50 years) the breakdown of the family, absent fathers and all that"
It's not an "excuse".
Even among whites or Asians, the percentage of fatherless families in a community reliably predicts that community’s rate of violent crime, while the community’s poverty level does not.
Paul...thought of you...
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"...It's not an "excuse"
It is an excuse, and it's nonsense. Blacks commit FAR MORE CRIME, whether or not they take part in something foreign to them - the "family" unit. The point is that being part of a "family" means nothing to them. Just as having a village raise the offspring is a silly concept to a White person.
Constrain them all you can, and the crime still oozes out at the edges. By explaining how the black family has broke down, one does not have to confront the essential differences between the races.
Off Topic but it looks like Ron Paul (a true meritocrat) just won the another Straw Poll. This time in Illinois.
He also won in Ohio, California, D.C. (value voters), and New Hampshire...so far.
Not only did he win these, he won most of these by outright majority. He came in close seconds in Georgia and Iowa. If you take out worthless little Michelle Bachmann he won Ames too. All this means that support in NH, IA, and if he appeals to NV voter's low tax/libertarian sentiments he should be in the running against Obama (NV, NH, and IA are the three most important early states in our primary system.) Wins there basically secure victory.
People are waking up to Cain and realizing that he's just another business interests/war monger shill who drove a pizza joint into the ground (yes, it was all downhill after Cain got there). He also clearly can't take care of his own house, nor like most black, keep his grubby hands off of our women.
You won't see the MSM cover it all though, just like you won't see the MSM cover race/sbpdl issues.
For example: Time Magazine in 1958:
"In 1,551 U.S. cities, according to the FBI tally for 1956, Negroes, making up 10% of the U.S. population, accounted for about 30% of all arrests, and 60% of the arrests for crimes involving violence or threat of bodily harm..."
Some thoughts:
It's the violent crimes which are significant. It might be argued by critics that other crimes include the proverbial "spitting on the sidewalk" or "having a tail light busted," offenses for which the police might arrest blacks in disproportionate numbers, thus skewing the statistics.
But the violent crime stats tend to be more representative: with violent crime there is a victim, there is more likely a crime report, and there is a greater likelihood that the perpetrator will be arrested regardless of race.
Now it may be that the police arrested blacks more often for violent crime, while ignoring some white crime (say, white-on-black attacks). But even if we were to halve the 60% black arrests stat, this would mean that blacks were still committing at least three times as many violent crimes as whites.
But then, it could be argued that the black crime rate was higher than the 60% because the police might have been less likely to investigate black-on-black crime. We might want to let this balance out the non-arrests for white-on-black crime. So the 60% figure is probably in the ballpark.
Regardless, this presents a different picture than the one we usually get in the media, of blacks in the segregation era being totally beaten down by the white power structure. It might also give us pause to consider that if blacks were committing a disproportionate amount of crime, this correlates with the relative number of lynchings. The figure which has been bounced around the internet is that during the segregation era there were some 5000 lynchings; 3500 were of blacks, the rest of whites (let us note that Hispanics are not being categorized here). This is not too far out of line with the 60% reported arrest rate for violent crimes.
Another thing to consider is the effectiveness of segregation. Despite all the controls on blacks pre Brown v Board of Education, they still perpetrated a large amount of violent crime. In this regard, segregation did not seem to work very well. It would be interesting to see the stats on crime by race of perpetrator and victim in those days. Did today's trend of high black-on-white violent crime extend to back then?
Finally, one wonders how much of today's various wars on crimes, drugs and gangs are, as the critics claim, used to keep blacks under control? Rather than blatant segregation against the entire black populace, the government simply goes after the criminal element. Since blacks have higher rates of violent crime than whites, the same outcome is achieved --the neutralization of much of the black populace -- without the expense of having to maintain separate water fountains, waiting rooms, and public toilets.
Again, as has been stated before at this blog, black males comprise only 5 percent of the US population. Although black females are violent too, it is mostly black males who are committing such horrendous amounts of crime. And here we are about to elect another black male as president of the US. I guess whites will never learn, if Obama and his henchmen and thugs aren't lesson enough.Of course there is a very real possibility that Barack Hussein Obama or whatever he calls himself now will be reelected.
Why are so many blacks so violent and especially towards whites? Well how many times by any number of so called black leaders to you think the average black has heard the words kill whitey, kill the cracker, kill the cracker babies? How many times has the average black heard that it's the whites that are holding down the black race? How many times do you think the average white has heard kill the black,kill his babies, kill the nigger?
There is not a black in this country that has got to where they are on their own merit. From the time they are born to the time they die it's handouts, and special laws, and special treatment for them, all backed up by the government through intimidation, legal action, and jail for whites forcing them to comply with affirmative action, quotas, lowered standards, lower qualifications, for graduation for job placements, housing,loans, ad infinitude.
So what has it got for the whites of this nation? I'll let you answer that one.
Wow. As author of second post, I'm impressed by the others, except this one:
November 8, 2011 7:03 AM
"Even among whites or Asians, the percentage of fatherless families in a community reliably predicts that community’s rate of violent crime, while the community’s poverty level does not."
So what? You totally miss the point. Your logic is nonsense.
CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSALITY. The number of DUI auto fatalities is an excellent predictor of the number of drunk drivers on the road. But auto accidents don't cause drunk driving. Cell phoning while driving is another excellent predictor of auto accidents. But auto accidents don't make people use cell phones while driving.
Violent criminals are rarely good family men and conversely. But violent criminals DO make plenty of babies. The more violent criminals you have, the more fatherless families you're going to have. Each predicts the other. That's a correlation, and it holds across racial lines and also across income levels WITHIN racial groups. Any good correlant is a good predictor. PREDICTION IS NOT CAUSALITY. That's pretty much the idea behind pregnancy tests, for instance.
Within racial groups, the percentage of broken homes does correlate with the level of criminality. BUT NOT ACCROSS racial groups, not even close.
If female-headed households were the dominant cause of criminality, you would need to raise the number of white and/or asian female-headed households to 300% or 400% of all households before you could even begin to approach the level of ciminality in the black population.
"Does poverty cause crime?
Or does crime cause poverty?"
If poverty causes crime then why does West Virginia have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation?
Answer: WV is 93.2% white and only 3.4% black.
Pretty much ALL the violent crime on and around buses in Seattle is done by blacks of both sexes.
A couple of the violent black stories at the link below happen along Seattle's "MLK" or "Martin Luther King Junior Way"! Typical.
http://www.centraldistrictnews.com/2011/11/03/robbery-roundup-cab-driver-put-in-choke-hold-at-22nd-and-cherry
@November 8, 2011 11:41 AM
"Pretty much ALL the violent crime on and around buses in Seattle is done by blacks of both sexes."
During the "domestic violence" hysteria surrounding the OJ murder trial I did some investigation of the FBI crime statistics. Their numbers were clear: a black female was more likely to kill her domestic partner than a white male was to kill his. I haven't bothered to check since, but I doubt it's changed.
Liberal academic sociologists love to say that gender is the number one predictor of violent behavior. Well, it is -- if (and only if) you ignore race (one race in particular).
Race is as dominant a factor in domestic violence as it is in street violence. What a surprise. Any chance that might have anything to do with the racial differences in female-headed households?
Try getting Soledad O'Brien to discuss that...
"Blacks commit FAR MORE CRIME, whether or not they take part in something foreign to them - the "family" unit."
Please provide proof that blacks from a two-parent, intact family household are just as likely to commit crime as blacks from a single-parent household.
You can't, because you're full of shit.
Re: "Just as having a village raise the offspring is a silly concept to a White person."
There's is bit of a story there.
Some years ago I watched a video of a Nobel Laureates' discussion. At some point a Jewish Chemistry Laureate said "Well, there's an old Jewish saying that it takes a village to raise a child."
The then-recent "peace prize" winner, Desmund Booboo, promptly began shouting "There's an old AFRICAN saying that it takes a village to raise a child." The Chemistry guy rather generously let Booboo claim the point. After the meeting, Booboo continued spouting the same thing a few hundred more times -- whenever media was present -- always presenting it as his (very own example of "deep African wisdom.")
And the MSM ran with the Booboo version, so that's how it's generally attibuted today.
I watched the video on the internet, maybe its still there, maybe I can find it. It's hilarious.
"Why are so many blacks so violent and especially towards whites? "
That's easy! It's called resentment, it's called jealousy and it's called getting back at the "man".
Whatever the "man" is to these people, it's always white people, whom are responsible for their state of arrested development and their backward level of existence.
They are simply striking out at anything white. Shame really, because these people don't realize that it's whites that they host off of. Kill the host and the parasite will also die.
to SBPDL, this is off topic, but this story dovetails with the stuff you write.
KCTV5, the local CBS affiliate in Kansas City, ran a story about the so-called "food desert" in the KC urban core. The story was about a large area with no grocery stores. They featured several poor blacks who must travel far to get real food. But no mention was made as to why the major grocers are not located in that area.
I guess the food desert is our little piece of Montgomery right here in KC.
"So what? You totally miss the point."
Here is the specific quote I responded to...
"One of the favorite excuses for black criminal behavior is (and has been for more than 50 years) the breakdown of the family, absent fathers and all that"
The "point" of this quote is that illegitimacy is just an "excuse" for black crime, and that black criminal behavior is not related to breakdown of the family and fatherlessness.
I find that "point" nonsensical.
"If female-headed households were the dominant cause of criminality"
I've never heard anyone make that claim.
"...Please provide proof that blacks from a two-parent, intact family household are just as likely to commit crime as blacks from a single-parent household..."
Speaking of being full of shit, no one is comparing one and two parent black "families". The point is that blacks commit far more crime than Whites do, and keeping their "families" together, doesn't move that bar one inch.
Sorry Tyrone, but blacks suck every way possible. And since about 75% are born out of wedlock (which approaches the animal population rate of 100%), any point you're trying to stumble upon is useless anyway.
Georgetown University did this exact study!
Negroids from intact families in high income levels were far more likely to commit crimes than their White or Asian counterparts, even if they were poor or from broken homes.
Documentation here: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_n3_v58/ai_20770502/
Face it, negroids are evil, dangerous, criminal proto-humans no matter if you give them a high paying AA job or bestow a "Degree" on them or if they grew up with a "father". Further, the criminality of negroid "medical Doctors" is legend. Did you not just see Michael Jackson's "Doctor" go to jail? Do you not remember the negroid Emergency room "doctor" that pocketed the heart attack victims Rolex watch just a few months ago? These are the elite of the negroid species, yet their inner chimp just can't help peeking out.
"Why are so many blacks so violent and especially towards whites? "
Because for the most part,they can be.Just like the lion or other predator will look for the weakest of the prey,the ghetto thug will look for the weakest prey in the city.There are far too many weak whites(women and men)who have no business interacting with violent blacks.Blacks as a group have higher testosterone levels than average whites,Asians etc.Their level of physical aggression is beyond what we are used to seeing.Their average level of IQ is below the white,Asian level.A dangerous mix in an integrated society.Our elite are lying to us.They sit in their mansions and are enjoying the theatre,just like the Gods in ancient Olympus.
"Speaking of being full of shit, no one is comparing one and two parent black "families"."
Here's the quote...
"favorite excuses for black criminal behavior is (and has been for more than 50 years) the breakdown of the family, absent fathers and all that"
This quote scoffs at the notion that illegitimacy/fatherlessness is a predictor of black crime.
Do you agree or disagree with Heather MacDonald's premise that a black two-parent household is less likely to breed future criminal behavior than a fatherless household? And if you disagree, can you provide evidence to support your position?
"The point is that blacks commit far more crime than Whites do"
I don't think this is in dispute.
"keeping their "families" together, doesn't move that bar one inch."
Just to be clear...are you stating that a fatherless black household is just as likely to produce criminals as a two-parent household?
"Sorry Tyrone, but blacks suck every way possible."
Once again Jaquarius, I don't think this is in dispute.
"the neutralization of much of the black populace -- without the expense of having to maintain separate water fountains, waiting rooms, and public toilets."
It was a hell of a lot cheaper than BRA has been. Building new neighborhoods every 5 years is ruinously expensive.
"Violent criminals are rarely good family men and conversely. But violent criminals DO make plenty of babies. The more violent criminals you have, the more fatherless families you're going to have. Each predicts the other. That's a correlation, and it holds across racial lines and also across income levels WITHIN racial groups. Any good correlant is a good predictor. PREDICTION IS NOT CAUSALITY. That's pretty much the idea behind pregnancy tests, for instance."
Roissy posted a stat that prison inmates have a higher fertility than the rest of the population. His stuff is basically the foundation of HBD, and pretty neatly explains what is happening.
"(which approaches the animal population rate of 100%), any point you're trying to stumble upon is useless anyway."
Dont wolves pairbond for life?
@ Anon. at November 8, 2011 12:44 PM
"Please provide proof that blacks from a two-parent, intact family household are just as likely to commit crime as blacks from a single-parent household."
You remind me of mr_evergreen when you demand in a whining tone that we provide PROOF when you've already decided that the EXCEPTION is the rule. Not posting under your pseudo anymore? I wonder why?
RE: food "deserts" in the inner-city. Same thing is being addressed in Indianapolis, IN.
"For those readers unfamiliar with the term, the phrase food desert refers to urban neighborhoods or areas where it is difficult to find healthy food options."
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/business-brains/entrepreneurs-deliver-healthy-produce-to-indianapolis-8216food-deserts/16938
or in other words.... areas where black culture has scared off all of the local businesses. High rates of poverty, illegitimacy, incarceration, obesity and diabetes, welfare use, drug dealing, crime, and general irresponsible behavior. Cub foods super grocer opened a store in the ghetto, and closed it within a year because of shop lifting and armed robbery.
In Indianapolis, our local DWL population is falling over itself to help the poor, black inner-city and its lack of "healthy food options". There is a 7-11 type grocery chain in all of the black ghetto neighborhoods. I have gone into these stores, and behind the huge stacks of chips, pop, Crisco, fried chicken and cookies, there are fresh vegetables including sweet potatoes, cabbage, lettuce, greens and carrots, fresh cut meats, whole frozen chickens, whole fresh fish, eggs, soup bones, beef liver, brown rice, oatmeal, whole wheat bread, real butter, and yogurt. I even found a frozen whole duck and a whole rabbit in the freezer. You could eat like a king if you have an EBT card. But they want to eat junk instead.
This is just another big lie, and another reason to transfer wealth from hard-working guilty-feeling whites to the lazy brown underclass.
"Please provide proof that blacks from a two-parent, intact family household..."
I had to stop right there. There just are not many two parent MARRIED blacks. The ones I know about have already divorced, or were step families to begin with.
Tyrone, please stop trying to pretend that blacks and their culture are not dysfunctional. We have all stopped drinking that Kool-Aid.
Actually, the illegitimacy rate is well over 70% for blacks, and since most blacks hide from the census, who really knows how many of them are actually out there unaccounted for.
Marriage and fidelity. SWPL and SBPDL.
Dissident: Assuming you're referring to the Communists of the 50's and 60's and the modern incarnations of that movement today? And how these movements would use "minority" indigenous populations, to overthrow the existing social and political orders.
Thank you, Dissident, for having the courage and sagacity to bring forth Cultural Marxism as a root cause for the disproportionate power and opportunity currently enjoyed by American Blacks. If actual intelligence and productivity were the metrics that success depended upon, Blacks would experience the full brunt of consequences that American Socialist elements currently shield them from.
It is an unfortunate drawback of modern civilization that ― through advances in medicine, agriculture, electrification and other seemingly innocuous developments like bulk water purification and sewage treatment ― more than ever before in history large numbers of humans that are completely unfit for survival are sheltered from the consequences of their anti-social behavior.
Perhaps even more obscene is how incarceration in American prisons actually extends the life of most Black inmates at an intolerable cost to the contributing members of society. Penitentiaries actually function as sanctuaries for Black males while the allowance of conjugal visits enables them to propagate the Black race's most criminally prone subset. If anything, this is a conclusive argument in favor of dening all violent or habitual felons any conjugal visits.
Just a few short centuries ago, criminals were routinely treated to summary execution by irate villagers or simply left outside the gates when winter arrived. Since people usually never traveled more than 20 miles from their place of birth, a person's reputation stayed with them and could rarely be concealed.
In this age of urban anonymity criminals merely move to greener pastures after fouling whatever nest they came from. Additionally, the Cultural Marxists, along with the MSM, have desperately sought to portray criminals as victims of poverty, improper toilet training or whatever excuse du jour can be foisted upon an unsuspecting and easily misled population.
Between White Man's Burden and the Zero Sum Equation (i.e., the USA succeeded only by stealing resources from the Third World and not because of actual wealth creation), America is being ground between two millstones of demoralization and subversion.
Deconstructing these poisonous myths is a vital role that SBPDL plays by providing an open forum for the discussion of Race Realism. I am hoping that Paul Kersey will direct some energy towards a careful examination as to how the last half century of Marxist subversion has played a huge role in the unjustified advancement of Black causes.
If that's what you're getting at, then I agree, but that still doesn't eliminate black propensity to be willing "tools" in the destruction of our civilization.
The congenital Black trait of "gibsmedat" will successfully prevent the vast majority of Blacks from ever seeing through the way that they are being used as cannon fodder in the battle to destroy Western civilization.
Due to low IQ or simple unrelenting jealousy and hatred, Blacks will cheerfully kill off the one host that has made their survival possible. As a race they are among the most prominent consumers of their own seed stock.
Were it not for the phenomenal productivity of Whites, much of this world's Black population would have perished centuries ago. It's long past tea for Whites to understand this in all of its implications and begin acting upon that knowledge in full measure.
Do YOU live near a "food desert"? Check the USDA's new map:
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/business-brains/usda-launches-online-tool-for-locating-8216food-deserts/16755?tag=search-river
map:
http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/fooddesert/fooddesert.html
Re: food "deserts". Somehow the poorest immigrant communities manage to open small greengroceries wherever they settle. I live near Oakland, California. The Chinese have tons of fruit and vegetable markets, many with fresh fish also available. The non-English speaking Mexicans and Central Americans have mobile fruit carts, with fresh watermelon, mango and pineapple for sale in one-person servings. The Vietnamese sell greens and open soup restaurants with fresh basil and mint with every serving.
There is nothing stopping the black entrepreneur from opening a small grocery on the many main thoroughfares in town with abandoned and boarded storefronts, or even setting up a mobile produce pushcart. But they don't. That would involve getting up in the morning early every day.
Then nice white "thinkers" lament the "food desert" imposed on the ghetto.
Anonymous (November 8, 2011 4:15 PM): Do YOU live near a "food desert"?
Quel surprise! There appears to be a 1:1 correspondence between "food deserts" and Black population density.
I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you!
"You remind me of mr_evergreen when you demand in a whining tone that we provide PROOF when you've already decided that the EXCEPTION is the rule."
Your mischaracterization of my words borders on criminally retarded.
You remind me of Desiree when you respond to what you imagined I wrote instead of what I actually wrote.
"Not posting under your pseudo anymore? I wonder why?"
Just go ahead and call me "Mr Evergreen", or "Tyrone", I couldn't possibly care less.
"Tyrone, please stop trying to pretend that blacks and their culture are not dysfunctional. We have all stopped drinking that Kool-Aid."
Jaquarius, please stop misrepresenting what I wrote, it suggests that you're either dishonest, or just stupid.
If it helps, I'll spell it out for you...
Blacks are dysfunctional.
Blacks are unfit to live among whites.
Blacks have low IQ.
Blacks tend to be violent, and criminal.
Etc etc etc...
Now please, keep calling me Tyrone and accuse me of defending negroes, you sound like a fucking idiot.
Thank you, Dissident, for having the courage and sagacity to bring forth Cultural Marxism as a root cause for the disproportionate power and opportunity currently enjoyed by American Blacks.
This points up the real dilemma: ideology. The Cultural Marxists have an ideology. Their opponents do not (or have abandoned theirs).
The issue is, how does one gin up an ideology to counter Cultural Marxism?
@ November 8, 2011 3:25 PM
"This quote scoffs at the notion that illegitimacy/fatherlessness is a predictor of black crime."
Well I wrote the quoted (and a second post re-emphasizing it). For the N-th time, what I'm scoffing at is your inability to grasp the grade-school notion that PREDICTION IS NOT CAUSATION. And neither is CORRELATION. A suggestion: Thinking is like skiing or tennis or golf -- you'll be a lot better at it after you learn how to do it.
Yes, illegitimacy/fatherlessness correlates with antisocial/criminal behavior -- at least in America (although not in Iceland, where single mothers have been common for decades and the crime rate is roughly zero -- it's Heather that needs to expain that, btw). But CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSALITY.
----------- And then...
"Do you agree or disagree with Heather MacDonald's premise that a black two-parent household is less likely to breed future criminal behavior than a fatherless household? And if you disagree, can you provide evidence to support your position?"
You're so far off you don't make enough sense to even be wrong.
[1] Read my first post(its #2): In the 1950's the black illegitimacy rate was lower that the white rate today, but black violent criminality then was TEN TIMES the white rate now (and then). If illegitimacy drives criminality, explain that. Heather never has, she always ducks the issue.
[2] I like Heather's writings. She's bright and she writes well, and when reporting other people's research she's good. But, her schooling is English Lit, not science, and it shows. Her logic amounts to word association. When it comes to statistical inference or legitimate scientific methods, she's out to lunch.
I agree that statistically a black two parent families will produce fewer criminal offspring than fatherless ones. BUT THE REASON IS THE PARENTS NOT THEIR MARRIAGE. Two-parent black families tend to have brighter, less criminal, less anti-social, more responsible parents than the alternative. Of course, we don't see many stable black families these days.
But I will bet money they tend to have a much higher percentage of white blood in them than the black average. And make no mistake: the amount of white blood correlates positively with intelligence and negatively with criminality.
Two-parent Asian families produce more Asian children than fatherless black families -- because the parents are Asian, not because they're married.
I agree with Heather that the institution of marriage is (was) a good thing. But the breakdown in marriage rates among blacks just doesn't come close to explaining their antisocial tendencies. It's exactly the other way round.
I can settle this one real quick:
Fact #1: West Virginia has the lowest average household income and highest per capita poverty rate in America.
Fact #2: West Virginia has the lowest per capita crime rate in America. (All crime, non violent and violent.)
Fact #3: West Virginia has the lowest black population (as a percentage of its total) in America.
End of fucking story.
I do live near a food desert(never would've guessed), and trust me it's total BS. There's a Pick'n'Save right down the block with a bus they could probably ride for free. P.S. Mostly white with some section 8. Suburb of Milwaukee.
The end is nigh! Good.
So here's what's happening: A majority of Americans know that Obama will probably lose this next election. They also know that a majority of people who were born black will riot when this happens. Furthermore, they know that the dollar will probably crash and the welfare money will be cut off. It'll be the perfect negro storm (stock up on peanut butter, you white flighters).
That explains Herman Cain. This guy, the Pinto that runs like a Swiss clock, will be in charge when Federal forces shoot to kill rioting negro rioters.
Sit tight, my friends who weren't born black ... the next two years are going to be remembered as The Great (Negro) Douche Out.
The Senior Engineer
Have any of you trolls or troll feeders heard of multicollinearity? Poverty, melanin, IQ and crime can all be correlated and therefore show increase or decrease with eachother when the other factors are controlled for. Thus, fatherlessness AND blackness can both be correlated to crime but neither can be proven as the cause.
The most likely truth is that there is one or more "x-factors" at work that is the true cause of all these things. Likely buried deep in the genome and likely its very similar to that of chimps.
Does black skin cause crime? Of course not. But whatever happened thousands of years ago that was selected as the best reproductive trait in da muddaland uses impulsive behavior, muh dik and blaming others for reproductive advantage.
Come to think of it...its possible that may be the best evolutionary strategy as we're coming to find out.
Time Magazine article mentioned complete link
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810262,00.html
Headline:
National Affairs: THE NEGRO CRIME RATE: A FAILURE IN INTEGRATION
Another note: years ago a friend mentioned that everytime his IGA store in the black section of Terre Haute, Indiana wass stocked with film and other accessories, the store was swamped with blacks and within a few hours the items were shoplifted clean. This was in the 1970s.
Well, Diarrhea is back and, as usual, tries to pass off black lies as fact.
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/myth-whites-are-more-likely-to-be-pedophiles-and-child-molesters/
I realize that Statistics are too difficult for your IQ of 80, but, just like the negro that tried to pass off, "It takes a village to raise a child" as a piece of "Black African wisdom" (an oxymoron of the most ludicrous kind), non-black anti-racists create lies for you people, and, just like parrots, you repeat them as often as possible. “Wawkk. Negro wants a handout. Negro wants a handout. Squakkk.” "Negro logic" (another laughable oxymoron) equates truth with how often something is repeated and has nothing to do with logic, facts, or truth. For those of you that haven't looked at Brinkster's site, here it is again. Rub anyone that repeats such falsehoods in the fecal material that issues forth from their mouths.
http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/inventions/
"The issue is, how does one gin up an ideology to counter Cultural Marxism?"
The implications of what happens when a small, minority group comes at a majority group with a coherent strategy while the other doesn't even know a game is being played are immense. All the numerical advantage or toughness in the world will not help when the real problem cannot be identified. That is, of course, the reason for all the fairy tales we are told constantly.
Marxism is like a bacteria. Unless its completely obliterated it will eventually multiply again. Hitler understood this, as much as I hate to say it. The Nazi eugenics and genocide programs along with operation Barberosa were the logical conclusions if desiring an endgame with cultural marxism. They sound like overkill in hindsight but if you want to be absolutely sure.....well....
Well, Diarrhea is back and, as usual, tries to pass off black lies as fact.
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/myth-whites-are-more-likely-to-be-pedophiles-and-child-molesters/
I realize that Statistics are too difficult for your IQ of 80, but, you are just like the negro that tried to pass off, "It takes a village to raise a child" as a piece of "Black African wisdom" (an oxymoron of the most ludicrous kind). Non-black anti-racists create lies for you people, and, just like parrots, you repeat them as often as possible. “Wawkk. Negro wants a handout. Negro wants a handout. Squakkk.” "Negro logic" (another laughable oxymoron) equates truth with how often something is repeated and has nothing to do with logic, facts, or truth. For those of you that haven't looked at Brinkster's site, here it is again. Rub anyone that repeats such falsehoods in the fecal material that issues forth from their mouths.
http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/inventions/
@November 8, 2011 7:40 PM
"End of fucking story."
Almost, but not quite.
I would add that on average impoverished white kids score WAY ABOVE upper-middle-class black kids on the SAT -- and every other test that reasonably tries to measure intelligence. And those "upscale black" kids are the ones who tend to have the most white blood.
Intelligence matters. Civility counts. When Detoilet is long gone, West Virginia will still be there.
Californian: The issue is, how does one gin up an ideology to counter Cultural Marxism?
We already have the correct ideology. It's called a Republic that operates using free market Capitalism.
Unfortunately, Marxists and criminals have effectively conspired together to give Capitalism a very bad reputation. This is because so few people realize that Capitalism is amoral and is far more sensitive to bad actors than command economies like those of Socialist and Communist nations.
People mistake these bad actors for legitimate Capitalists and the damage is done.
The same goes for a Democratic Republic. As Winston Churchill noted:
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
Proof of this formula lies in how America has outstripped all other nations and cultures ― even those with a head start by thousands of years ― and remains the only country to have landed a man on the moon and safely returned him to earth.
Even our most poverty stricken citizens enjoy a standard of living that is the envy of many other countries.
As others have observed; it took some 40 years of constant erosion to destroy what was once a land of such economic opportunity that it was as if you could simply print your own money. Compared to many other nations, that description still applies even today.
However this most recent generation and the past few presidential administrations represent a new breed of globalist transnational Politicall Correct multiculturalists that are ― through a deliberate process of looting, malfeasance and pure greed ― quite literally, bringing America to its knees.
This new breed knows no loyalty save to the almighty dollar and, in reality doesn't even care what shape the dollar is in. It is a profit-above-all-else mentality that disregards fair play, strangles honest competition and has no regard for the working man's quality of life.
Nothing better exemplifies this than the obscene executive overcompensation that is wreaking such economic havoc upon America's manufacturing base. Some examples from the linked article:
• CEOs of large U.S. companies last year made as much money from just one day on the job as aver- age workers made over the entire year. These top executives averaged $10.8 million in total compensation, over 364 times the pay of the average American worker, a calculation based on data from an Associated Press survey of 386 Fortune 500 companies.
• The private equity boom has pushed the pay ceiling for American business leaders considerably further into the economic stratosphere. The top 20 private equity and hedge fund managers,Forbes magazine estimates, pocketed an average $657.5 million, or 22,255 times the pay of an average U.S.
worker.
• Workers at the bottom rung of the U.S. economy have just received the first federal minimum wage increase in a decade. But the new minimum wage of $5.85 still stands 7 percent below where the
minimum wage stood a decade ago in real terms. CEO pay, over that same decade, has increased by
roughly 45 percent.
Moreover, unlike the robber barons of old, this new breed of financial wizards rarely create jobs and, instead, obtain their wealth by acting as gatekeepers in the dealmaking process. Few innnovative technologies or manufacturing processes that actually create wealth are being birthed. All of this is pure poison and daily promotes conversion of America into one giant service economy. As a wag economist put it:
You cannot base a healthy nation's economy upon giving each other haircuts.
There is a fraternity of well-connected good old boys whose crony Capitalism is bleeding America white and spiraling us down towards the status of a Third World nation. A goal which coincides perfectly with those of Liberals and Marxists alike.
Midwestern: But they want to eat junk instead.
Look at it as a self-curing problem. Hypertension and diabetes will cull out the less intelligent consumers and they, in turn, will pass on to their offspring genetic predispositions for these ailments.
None of that changes the astronomical costs of hospitalizing these freeloaders but once the economic well runs dry all of that may change rather quickly.
i notice all these long winded comments from the regular posters...
too bad you are all scared to do something about the problem instead of just yammering on about niggers and how inferior they are.
aren't we past the discussion point yet?
do something already.
why wait?
Wow. I came here tonight to urge Paul to get onto a topical topic... and lo and behold there was Desiree to bring up Jerry Sandusky for me. Thanks, D.
I watched the Penn State coverage tonight with utter disgust, not just because I abhor pedophilia, but because I have a high altitude enough view to question why it took nine, yes NINE years to bring this out.
Supposedly and allegedly, Sandusky abused a young boy in a shower, the quarterback saw it, reported it to the head coach, who then dutifully reported it to the athletics director. Ok. It went nowhere. Now, nine years later, somehow it gets dredged up, and people are saying the coach should have taken it to the 'authorities'. Um, he did. The athletic director of the university WAS his 'Authority'. People in BRA seem to forget that our 'white' culture is based rather heavily on hierarchies, and we rather like it that way. It allows for things to be resolved more democratically, if you will.
It seems highly suspicious to me that this OLD case is suddenly re-opened as GOP candidate Cain is facing harrassment allegations. Hmm, weapons of mass distraction, anyone? Obama would rather face Cain, and I believe he is scared shitless of facing a real GOP opponent. Like Ron Paul? Heh. Interesting times indeed.
Look, I follow sports about as often as I go to the beach, which is every 5 years or so. Nonetheless, I recognize the impact sports has on our society and therefore the possibility of it for propagandist abuse. For this reason, oh Mr Kersey of football-dissecting fame, I would like you to ponder this and write for us your opinion... is this just more BRA propaganda and blatant brainwashing? Opinions are good enough for me in this fluid environment. I own copies of your printed works and have donated to the site, I dont need a researched dissertation; rather, I wonder if your gut feeling is much as my own: we are massively being used.
Thanks and keep up the good work!
Abe Stinkin' FTW. :)
To Zenster and the others of like mind: to argue that "Cultural Marxism" is the problem conflates cause with effect. It is as if some believe that there is a disembodied idea floating around that somehow infects and influences others.
It is better, instead, to criticize those who are responsible for the idea. Only by doing this can we become radical--that is, approach the root of the problem. Only when we identify the specific individuals and respective groups responsible for propagating the idea will we begin to have an understanding.
Again, blacks in and of themselves are just showing their nature. More importantly we must begin to understand the nature of those who promote blacks (they are not black, themselves), and then try to understand their reasons for it. Otherwise, we are just wasting time, and misplacing our anger.
I'm back in Detroit visiting family. I thought there couldn't be a point were Detroit could get any worse. I was so wrong.
9,000 street lights do not work in the city of Detroit - no money to change a light bulb or fix em.
The city is so corrupt and broke, the state is taking over the city.
Blacks are leaving the city for the suburbs and cycle continues.
I am leaving for home, Oakland CA. Oakland is on the verge of being another Detroit. I see much of the same things happening in Oakland that parallel Detroit. This occupy stuff is becoming violent - much like the 67 riots in Detroit. The ones that take it violent - it isn't YT - Oakland is home of the black panthers and they are alive and active. The monkeys are in charge of the zoo.
Hi, SBPDL...
Nice site.
Just thought you'd like to know that I've found yet another instance of black anal rape.
http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/news/elderly-man-raped-socorro/nFT9K/
It's about a 70 year old white man raped by 4 black sub humans.
Enjoy. :-)
Africans have never been known for their intelligence.
Zenster! Touche!
"There is a fraternity of well-connected good old boys whose crony Capitalism is bleeding America white and spiraling us down towards the status of a Third World nation. A goal which coincides perfectly with those of Liberals and Marxists alike."
You sir, are a word smith! You and Paul should team up and do a podcast or something?? Now, that would be interesting. If you enunciate as well as you articulate, in your writing?....nuff' said.
Excellent.
Sheila, I am posting your comment from OneSTDV here. Well said. It needs to be repeated:
"Just to be clear - I think I can speak for the majority of commenters here when I say that black dysfunction IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. We didn't cause it, and it is not our job to understand it or fix it.
We are sick to death of being taxed and discriminated against to atone for mythical sins of a handful of Americans' forefathers.
On the whole, we don't propose mass violence or any extreme measures; we just want to live our lives in peace and freedom among our own kind."
Abe Stinkin' said...
I can settle this one real quick:
Fact #1: West Virginia has the lowest average household income and highest per capita poverty rate in America.
Fact #2: West Virginia has the lowest per capita crime rate in America. (All crime, non violent and violent.)
Fact #3: West Virginia has the lowest black population (as a percentage of its total) in America.
End of fucking story.
West Virginia does not have the lowest black population percentage. WV has about 3.5% black population while states like ME and VT have about 1%. In fact ME, VT and NH are probably the most white states in the union with white populations of around 98%.
Anonymous (November 9, 2011 3:25 AM): … to argue that "Cultural Marxism" is the problem conflates cause with effect. It is as if some believe that there is a disembodied idea floating around that somehow infects and influences others.
Please pay closer attention. The concept of Cultural Marxism ipso facto implies the existence of Cultural Marxists. If you really are so unlettered on the subject then permit me to inform you that America's academia and mass media are completely infested with such Cultural Marxists. These two groups form the most powerful enablers of American Liberals and the three of them hate this nation with a passion that defies all reason.
A huge number of these anti-American Liberals are pumped out by the Ivy League schools which explains why both Bush (Yale), and Obama (Harvard), could be so poisonous to America. To Bush's very slight credit, at least he did not hate America to the degree that Obama so obviously does. Be that as it may, Bush still assisted in looting the US economy and did our nation a tremendous disservice by asserting that "Islam is the religion of peace" and "the terrorists are a tiny minority of extremists" memes with respect to appeasing the global Muslim population.
Obama, on the other hand, is a de facto Muslim. Here is a simple thought experiment:
WHAT WOULD OBAMA BE DOING DIFFERENTLY IF HE ACTUALLY WAS A MUSLIM?
The answer is ZERO.
It is better, instead, to criticize those who are responsible for the idea.
Karl Marx and Antonio Gramsci are long dead. The seeds they planted still flourish, however, and are carefully cultivated by neo-Communists who now parade under the banners of "social justice", "climate change" and a host of other Liberal causes whose goal is the destruction of White Christian America and White Males especially.
Only by doing this can we become radical--that is, approach the root of the problem. Only when we identify the specific individuals and respective groups responsible for propagating the idea will we begin to have an understanding.
Those who have the least familiarity with what I am referring to are already aware of those root causes and the perpetrators involved. I suggest you do some homework and get up to speed.
Again, blacks in and of themselves are just showing their nature.
Yes, they are and it provides more than enough fodder for years worth of ongoing SBPDL articles. To our immense good fortune, Paul Kersey is not some mulish bigot and, instead, demonstrates a genuine concern for exposing the root causes of how and why America's once functional legal system and civil rights structure have been commandeered by the Politically Correct Left.
Remember, Political Correctness originated in the Soviet Union. So, whenever you see it rearing its ugly little head, you are watching Communism ― ergo; Cultural Marxism ― in action.
More importantly we must begin to understand the nature of those who promote blacks (they are not black, themselves), and then try to understand their reasons for it. Otherwise, we are just wasting time, and misplacing our anger.
Have you not noticed Paul Kersey's repeated mentions regarding DWLs (Disingenous White Liberals)? Either you are new here or have the attention span of a fruit fly. I politely suggest that you spend a bit of time reading through some of the archives in order to gain more perspective.
Dissident: You sir, are a word smith! You and Paul should team up and do a podcast or something?? Now, that would be interesting. If you enunciate as well as you articulate, in your writing?....nuff' said.
Excellent.
I really appreciate your kind words, Dissident. My observations are derived from an excruciating process of improved political awareness that began after the 9-11 atrocity.
I hope that you will join with me in continuing to expose Cultural Marxism as one of the most significant Root Causes with respect to how Political Correctness and a host of other Liberal poisons are being drip fed into generation after generation of American youth.
Out of respect for Paul Kersey and SBPDL readers, a priority should be placed upon correlating any such observations with Black behavior and its impact upon the American way of life.
Overall, Blacks are just too unintelligent and disorganized to have ginned up BRA. Consequently, there is a rasher of dots that need connecting so as to clarify the intentionally muddied waters that swirl around Liberalism's overt and covert efforts to deconstruct White America. To our mutual relief, those dots happen to be the size of alpine mountains, so the task isn't all work and no play.
Thank you again for your encouragement, Dissident. I am especially honored that you appreciate my writing style and think a SBPDL podcast is in order. Contributing to one would be a pleasure should Paul Kersey ever deem it appropriate.
Please keep up the good work yourself. I enjoy your comments whenever they appear.
Desiree,
"Nice site.
Just thought you'd like to know that I've found yet another instance of white pedophilia."
Funny like a crutch. Free hint, though. If you want to exploit white crime, don't use the type in which whites aren't overrepresented, and which moreover is loathed by whites almost above all else. Try serial killing instead. That actually is both extremely serious, and while, according to Wikipedia, FBI claims that white percentage of serial killers isn't likely to be any greater than white percentage of society, serial murder has a reputation of being a white male thing.
Yes Sir!
There are thousands striking at the branches, BUT very few striking at the ROOTS.
We need to be striking at the roots, and this cultural Marxism IS the roots.
Zenster and many others have elucidated this perfectly.
While this site exposes black dysfunction in our society, it should also articulate the enabling and the promotion of such pathology from the entrenched, monopolistic, power elite.
This should never be glossed over or diminished in any way.
"To Zenster and the others of like mind: to argue that "Cultural Marxism" is the problem conflates cause with effect. It is as if some believe that there is a disembodied idea floating around that somehow infects and influences others.
It is better, instead, to criticize those who are responsible for the idea."
Agreed but when you name them some people on the fence tune out. Like when Neo took the red-pill and realized the truth all at once, his body rejected it and he barfed. One step at a time. First you realize there is a matrix...most of us here probably have. The sinister plot and individuals behind it falls out of the scope of things black people do or do not like.
"FBI claims that white percentage of serial killers isn't likely to be any greater than white percentage of society, serial murder has a reputation of being a white male thing."
Serial killing involves forethought, passion and attention to detail. "Normal" killing involves impulses, rage and access to weapons. That's why its a white male "thing". The blacks are too stupid to get away with it.
Serial killer is just a term used by detectives to cover that police are useless for preventing determined criminals. They're only good at catching negros that shoot someone for stepping on their Nikes in front of 10 witnesses, a security camera and drop their own wallet when running away.
If we are to "name names," then we can start with those whose immediate plan is to encourage Majority dispossession. Here we find a large strain of Christians, especially the Catholic Church, and many Protestant denominations, too. They have embraced what they consider a Christian universalism to the exclusion of white interests.
Next we may include most liberal Jewish elites, who fear white nationalism, and perpetuate their secular mythologies to the distress of Nordic and Anglo whites. They are active in the media by pushing miscegenation, and consider Israel first, even as they are American citizens. They usually consider any criticism as anti-semitism. The most prominant example are the ADL, but that is because they are just the most obnoxious. In America, these folks are mostly liberal Democrat voters.
We must also mention the neoconservatives. This group is often considered a subset of the former, but it cannot be taken too literally because many are not Jewish at all. Some are passionate Christians, such as Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity, while others are Mormons, like Glenn Beck and Mitt Romney. Whatever their stripe, neoconservatives believe Israel is the undeclared 51st state, and believe that foreign policy should promote the expansion of the American empire. They are usually not thought of in terms of domestic policy, but if you scratch the surface, they are all mostly Lincolnian Republicans.
Another group are the educational elite. Typically atheists, in spite of their sometimes religious-ethnic background, they hold sway over confused youth, and preach white hatred. They are steeped in neo-Marxist materialist thinking, and politically usually vote Democrat.
Next are the mainstream business Republicans. They are often rightly considered a further subset of the neoconservatives. In their business interests they are not always pro-Negro, but certainly pro-brown, especially if they are associated with agri-business.
Also we may identify the libertarians, whose nominalistic, individualized and personal-atomic philosophy runs counter to anything traditional, such as the legitimate group interest of whites. These folks are usually youngsters taken with the pseudo-Nietzscheian writings of Ayn Rand, and are both idealistically and naively anti-racial in their general outlook.
This is just a beginning overview, but it is a start.
For our readers outside the USA, "the first 48" is a television show on "A&E" channel here in the states. It is a no-nonsense documentary about black crime and criminals.It is a REALITY show. All of the crimes are REAL, as are the detectives and police that try to solve them. I highly suggest watching this program, as it showcases the reality of black/brown criminality.
"A goal which coincides perfectly with those of Liberals and Marxists alike."
Are you really making a difference between two ideologies there, Zenster ? And if so, what is it ?
"Political Correctness originated in the Soviet Union."
I'm highly doubtful of this. I don't think the Soviets made a huge fuss over such things as anti-racism, "fighting prejudices and stereotypes", "inclusiveness", gay "marriage", "gender studies", "not offending other people's sensitivities" or caring about the environment.
They did not promote mass immigration of Africans into the USSR, even if they entertained a body of foreign students, mainly for diplomatic reasons.
They ruthlessly fought Muslims in Afghanistan.
To this day, Russia is one of the less politically-correct nations in the world, and it has not been a complete reversal from Communist times. Russians are ethnically proud, they don't mind being overtly racist towards their small black minority, they endorse manly values, etc.
I think research would show that Political Correctness originated in the United States, then spread pretty much all over the Western world.
It certainly has links to Marxism, but it's a different beast, further down the line of ideological evolution.
The KGB probably encouraged Leftist movements in America, whose heritage morphed into Political Correctness.
But did the Soviets practice Political Correctness at home ? I really don't think so.
For all of you speculating on the origins of political correctness, watch this video made in the 1990s by William Lind. It is 20 minutes long and worth your time. It is an excellent documentary tracing the origins of what we call PC to the time of World War 1.
Anonymous (November 9, 2011 2:23 PM): If we are to "name names," then we can start with those whose immediate plan is to encourage Majority dispossession. Here we find a large strain of Christians, especially the Catholic Church, and many Protestant denominations, too. They have embraced what they consider a Christian universalism to the exclusion of white interests.
I am obliged to agree. Due to the enormous persuasive power enjoyed by established Christian churches in America, they have been able to exert a disproportionate amount of influence on what had once been a bastion of conservative values.
This "universalism" nonsense is not just suicidal but flies in the face of Jesus' own teachings.
In my own personal view, it is a fool's errand to extend human rights to those parties who most aggressively seek to violate them. Islam being a prime example of this.
Likewise, showing mercy to the merciless or respect for the disrespectful amounts to nothing more or less than tolerating the intolerable.
As Barry Goldwater once said:
"Extremism in the defense of normalcy is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of tolerating the intolerable is no virtue." [emphasis added]
Anonymous (November 9, 2011 2:23 PM): Next we may include most liberal Jewish elites, who fear white nationalism, and perpetuate their secular mythologies to the distress of Nordic and Anglo whites.
My agreement with this has forced me to being a careful recalibration of my support for Israel and Jewish causes.
It's safe to say that a vast majority of American Jews are pro-Israel. That being the case, they should then display a modicum of gratitude and loyalty for America's, until recently, unwavering support for the Israeli state.
The advocay of Liberal Jews for unlimited immigration and other measures that are deconstructing traditional American culture represents a deep and abiding hypocrisy. It can be summed up thusly:
"Ethno-state for me but not for thee."
American Jews had best start paying close attention to how Liberal causes are eroding White America and, therefore, the massive base of support which that represents with respect to Israel.
I, for one, will not tolerate such continued subversion of White American culture by a group whose very existence was bought with hundreds of thousands of World War II casualties.
Whatever their stripe, neoconservatives believe Israel is the undeclared 51st state, and believe that foreign policy should promote the expansion of the American empire.
If neoconservatives wish to be taken seriously, they had best abandon their role a cheerleaders for the Republican Party and demonstrate genuine support for real Conservative values regardless of partisanship.
There is so little difference between the Republican and Democratic parties that America is now a one party system of the almighty dollar.
Another group are the educational elite. Typically atheists, in spite of their sometimes religious-ethnic background, they hold sway over confused youth, and preach white hatred. They are steeped in neo-Marxist materialist thinking, and politically usually vote Democrat.
These academic elite, along with the MSM, represent one of the most dire long term threats to America's overall health. I still maintain that Islam is the larger short term threat.
However, as many have noted, if anything, Liberal Cultural Marxists are the HIV/AIDS auto-immune system dysfunction that is allowing America's body politic to be attacked by the opportunistic virus of Islam.
[to be continued]
Anonymous (November 9, 2011 2:23 PM): Next are the mainstream business Republicans. They are often rightly considered a further subset of the neoconservatives.
As I noted in the "Black People + Southern Poverty = Violence in Montgomery?" thread:
"… this most recent generation and the past few presidential administrations represent a new breed of globalist transnational Politically Correct multiculturalists that are ― through a deliberate process of looting, malfeasance and pure greed ― quite literally, bringing America to its knees.
This new breed knows no loyalty save to the almighty dollar and, in reality doesn't even care what shape the dollar is in. It is a profit-above-all-else mentality that disregards fair play, strangles honest competition and has no regard for the working man's quality of life.
Nothing better exemplifies this than the obscene executive overcompensation that is wreaking such economic havoc upon America's manufacturing base. Some examples from the linked article:
_________________________________
• CEOs of large U.S. companies last year made as much money from just one day on the job as aver- age workers made over the entire year. These top executives averaged $10.8 million in total compensation, over 364 times the pay of the average American worker, a calculation based on data from an Associated Press survey of 386 Fortune 500 companies.
• The private equity boom has pushed the pay ceiling for American business leaders considerably further into the economic stratosphere. The top 20 private equity and hedge fund managers,Forbes magazine estimates, pocketed an average $657.5 million, or 22,255 times the pay of an average U.S.
worker.
• Workers at the bottom rung of the U.S. economy have just received the first federal minimum wage increase in a decade. But the new minimum wage of $5.85 still stands 7 percent below where the
minimum wage stood a decade ago in real terms. CEO pay, over that same decade, has increased by
roughly 45 percent.
________________________________
Moreover, unlike the robber barons of old, this new breed of financial wizards rarely create jobs and, instead, obtain their wealth by acting as gatekeepers in the dealmaking process. Few innnovative technologies or manufacturing processes that actually create wealth are being birthed. All of this is pure poison and daily promotes conversion of America into one giant service economy. As a wag economist put it:
You cannot base a healthy nation's economy upon giving each other haircuts.
There is a fraternity of well-connected good old boys whose crony Capitalism is bleeding America white and spiraling us down towards the status of a Third World nation. A goal which coincides perfectly with those of Liberals and Marxists alike.
That should suffice with respect to "mainstream business Republicans". Eh?
Left coast white guy.....
I would like to post a correction for cap'n crunch for our European brothers and sisters reading..... The first 48 isn't a show that has the intention of showcasing black/brown crime. It is about homicide investigators attempts to get their first major clue in a homicide case within the first 48 hours. It just so happens that nearly all the homicides are commited by black/brown people.
'KGB probably encouraged Leftist movements in America, whose heritage morphed into Political Correctness.'
probably!!!!
read "DUPES" and "Useful Idiots"
probably!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Anonymous, probably. When I'm not knowledgeable enough about a subject, I usually take precautions before stating something point blank.
However, if anyone, even yourself, know of some facts supporting or unsupporting my hypothesis, he is more than welcome to share them.
Robert Marchenoir: Are you really making a difference between two ideologies [Liberals and Marxists] there, Zenster?
Yes, and for very valid reasons. Marxists seek a total dissolution of Capitalist free market economies along with the Democratic institutions that often bracket them.
There are many Liberals who’re nowhere near as rabid in their dislike for these same institutions. In fact, true Classical Liberals ― the original source of modern Liberalism ― were often in major agreement with these Western traditions.
I'm highly doubtful of this [that Political Correctness originated in the Soviet Union]. I don't think the Soviets made a huge fuss over such things as anti-racism, "fighting prejudices and stereotypes", "inclusiveness", gay "marriage", "gender studies", "not offending other people's sensitivities" or caring about the environment.
You clearly don’t understand the obscene versatility of Political Correctness.
It both enabled the Soviet regime to disenfranchise individuals who refused to toe the line of Communist conformity, and proved a highly useful tactic for instituting self-imposed and self-enforced limits upon Free Speech among Communist Russia's most powerful enemies.
Talk about a win-win solution!
While, technically, the roots of Political Correctness can be traced to the Frankfurt School, its practical birth and full implementation happened in the Soviet Union. In fact the Frankfurt School was modeled on Moscow’s Marx Engles Institute.
It’s also quite revealing that the Frankfurt School’s original name was, "The Institute for Marxism". In reality, its true name was "The Institute for Social Research", as deft a bit of Politically Correct obfuscation as one might ever hope to see from Germany's budding Communists.
To this day, Russia is one of the less politically-correct nations in the world, and it has not been a complete reversal from Communist times. Russians are ethnically proud, they don't mind being overtly racist towards their small black minority, they endorse manly values, etc. [emphasis added]
I suggest you read "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" and "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn before continuing to spout such nonsense. As I’ve already noted, Political Correctness is the Swiss Army Knife of apparatchiki and subversives alike.
I think research would show that Political Correctness originated in the United States, then spread pretty much all over the Western world.
Your anti-Americanism is showing. Please view "The History of Political Correctness (22:27), before continuing to delude yourself.
But did the Soviets practice Political Correctness at home? I really don't think so.
Then you think wrong. From "The Historical Roots of “Political Correctness”" by author Raymond V. Raehn:
When addressing the general public, advocates of Political Correctness – or cultural Marxism, to give it its true name – present their beliefs attractively. It’s all just a matter of being “sensitive” to other people, they say. They use words such as “tolerance” and “diversity,” asking, “Why can’t we all just get along?” The reality is different. Political Correctness is Not at all about ”being nice,” unless one thinks gulags are nice places. Political Correctness is Marxism, with all that implies: loss of freedom of expression, thought control, inversion of the traditional social order and, ultimately, a totalitarian state. If anything, the cultural Marxism created by the Frankfurt School is more horrifying than the old, economic Marxism that ruined Russia.
If that isn’t a concise description of the old Soviet regime, I don't know what is.
Of additional interest and highly germane to SBPDL are these passages from "The Historical Roots of 'Political Correctness'":
As a grand scheme intended to deny the intrinsic worth of white, heterosexual males, the Critical Theorists of the Frankfurt School opened the door to the racial and sexual antagonisms of the Trotskyites. Leon Trotsky believed that oppressed blacks could be the vanguard of a communist revolution in North America. He denounced white workers who were prejudiced against blacks and instructed them to unite with the blacks in revolution. Trotsky’s ideas were adopted by many of the student leaders of the 1960s counterculture movement, who attempted to elevate the black revolutionaries to positions of leadership in their movement.
The student revolutionaries were also strongly influenced by the ideas of Herbert Marcuse, another member of the Frankfurt School. Marcuse preached the “Great Refusal,” a rejection of all basic Western concepts, sexual liberation and the merits of feminist and black revolutions. His primary thesis was that university students, ghetto blacks, the alienated, the asocial, and the Third World could take the place of the proletariat in the Communist revolution. In his book, An Essay on Liberation, Marcuse proclaimed his goals of a radical transvaluation of values; the relaxation of taboos, cultural subversion; Critical Theory; and a linguistic rebellion that would amount to a methodical reversal of meaning. As for racial conflict, Marcuse wrote that white men are guilty and that blacks are the most natural force of rebellion. [all emphasis from original article]
Hmmm... That's what I thought, Zenster. There's no use trying to have an honest, straightforward and relaxed discussion with you. Tried it elsewhere, tried it once more, does not work. Lesson learned. There will be no more attempts.
Just for your information, though. By saying :
"Your anti-Americanism is showing",
...what you are showing is your utterly paranoid, self-centered, pedantic, arrogant and chauvinistic turn of mind, which leads you to huge errors of judgement.
If anything, I have a strong pro-American bias. I get spat on daily all over the non-American blogosphere on such an indictment.
Not that this leaning of mine has been fed in the least by obnoxious and infatuated individuals such as yourself, mind you.
Robert Marchenoir: ...what you are showing is your utterly paranoid, self-centered, pedantic, arrogant and chauvinistic turn of mind, which leads you to huge errors of judgement.
Which you just as casually neglect to itemize. We are all supposed to take such an unsubstantiated assertion at face value despite a total lack of supporting evidence.
If anything, I have a strong pro-American bias.
Then please demonstrate it by acknowledging your erroneous statement that:
I think research would show that Political Correctness originated in the United States, then spread pretty much all over the Western world.
I have provided extensive fact-based evidence for my conclusions. You have not. Instead, you respond with an ad hominem attack upon me that is bereft of any links, cites or references.
So be it.
"I think research would show that Political Correctness originated in the United States, then spread pretty much all over the Western world."
Zenster, I live outside the US, and many conservative Americans I've encountered overseas feel the same way as Robert Marchenoir. A lot of liberal agitprop is actually imported from the US. The most favored kind of anti-Americanism is what is exported from the US media and academia. The origins of the tactics may lie in antiquity, but the talking points are made in the USA.
It's unfair to level a charge of anti-Americanism against Robert, because I can tell you that when we expats have to defend our country in spirited debate overseas, we find that our rear flank is where we are attacked most frequently.
Political correctness is a misnomer in a way, since it mostly subsumes social correctness, and is not an outright political manifestation, but this may be changing. In any case, it is certainly different from what happened in the Soviet Union, where the regime was offended if one thought differently than what one was told.
Here, in the US, the regime is rather removed from it all, and the social repercussions from "PC" thought are the main enforcement to correctness. However this is changing, and in another generation it may be quite political.
We find both social and political manifestations of PC in the UK, and also to a lesser degree in Germany, the latter where if one speaks of certain minority members and their recent history in a questionable or revisionist manner one may wind up in jail.
Anonymous (November 11, 2011 7:58 PM):A lot of liberal agitprop is actually imported from the US. The most favored kind of anti-Americanism is what is exported from the US media and academia.
None of which changes the critical aspect of identifying the true fountainhead of Political Correctness. To assert that it originated in America suggests that it is some sort of predictable outgrowth of a Capitalistic free market economy when nothing could be farther from the truth.
The origins of the tactics may lie in antiquity, but the talking points are made in the USA.
They do not "lie in antiquity", in fact, far from it. Communism is alive and well today, even to the point of residing in America's Oval Office. Our world has yet to remotely comprehend the incalculable amount of death and destruction that Communism brought about and continues to cause.
The reality of Soviet Communism is that it was a Totalitarian kleptocracy. Many people in this world remain deluded that Communism is a viable alternative form of government. Again, nothing could be farther from the truth.
It is much the same with Islam and shari'a law. Like Communism it is highly dysfunctional and between the two of them they have caused hundreds of millions of deaths, with Islam leading in the count.
People have yet to realize just how evil Communism really is, or else Obama would not be able to talk about any redistribution of wealth without being treated to the public scorn and disdain he so obviously deserves.
It's unfair to level a charge of anti-Americanism against Robert, because I can tell you that when we expats have to defend our country in spirited debate overseas, we find that our rear flank is where we are attacked most frequently.
So long as he voluntarily spreads such disinformation, that tag will stick. I have invited him to ackknowledge the erroneous nature of his statement. He has yet to act upon that invitation, let alone admit that his only resort was to stoop to ad hominem attacks instead of structured, fact-based rebuttal.
Again, it is vital to ensure that people everywhere make an immediate connection between Political Correctness and Totalitarianism. Yes, America's MSM is a lapdog of this world's Communist apparatus and for that they deserve nothing but the back of every freedom loving patriot's hand.
Obscuring the true wellspring of Political Correctness is to imbue it with some sort of free-floating pedigree that wrongfully conceals its deep seated roots in one of the world's most disgraceful political abattoirs.
Anonymous: Political correctness is a misnomer in a way, since it mostly subsumes social correctness, and is not an outright political manifestation, but this may be changing. In any case, it is certainly different from what happened in the Soviet Union, where the regime was offended if one thought differently than what one was told.
Congratulations upon managing to contradict yourself in just one (albeit run-on), sentence.
You first assert that Political Correctness "is not an outright political manifestation" and then, just as quickly note how "the [Soviet] regime was offended if one thought differently than what one was told."
How is the Soviet version any different than America's legally enforced "hate speech" laws? Both target thoughtcrime and seek to impose a conformity of opinion in total opposition to the rights granted by America's Constitution.
Here, in the US, the regime is rather removed from it all, and the social repercussions from "PC" thought are the main enforcement to correctness.
Again, nothing could be farther from the truth. You are totally mistaken in asserting that, "the [Obama] regime is rather removed from it all". Obama is actively pushing for implementation of shari'a compliant anti-blasphemy laws that would prohibit criticism of Islam. If that isn't having a direct hand in steering Political Correctness, I don't know what is.
Yes, American Liberals are such marionettes of Communist doctrine that they actively participate in socially enforcing Politically Correct doctrine. Look no further than Yale University's publication of a book about the Jyllands-Posten Mohammad cartoons that does not contain images of the actual cartoons themselves.
However, both Republicans, such as Lindsey "Jackass" Graham and countless Democratic Party members actively support completely unlawful restrictions upon our Constitutional right to Free Speech.
However this is changing, and in another generation it may be quite political.
It already has changed and it already is thoroughly political. You are well behind the times.
We find both social and political manifestations of PC in the UK, and also to a lesser degree in Germany, the latter where if one speaks of certain minority members and their recent history in a questionable or revisionist manner one may wind up in jail.
Europe is much farther down the rabbit hole than America. Doesn't that seem to contradict the supposed American origins of Political Correctness? Europe's proximity to Soviet Russia and general subscription to Socialism made it far more fertile ground for Communists to till. After all, the Frankfurt School was founded in Germany.
On a final and cheerfully ironic note, the famous bust of Karl Marx in Chemnitz (near Dresden, Germany), now has McDonald's for a neighbor.
Congratulations upon managing to contradict yourself in just one (albeit run-on), sentence.
My sentence was grammatically correct. A run on sentence conjoins two or more distinct independent clauses that are not fixed properly, either with a comma or semicolon.
In any case, when writing within the context of a combo box on a blog, no one should be too concerned over grammar or spelling since people often type quickly, and editing is not often convenient.
I do not believe that I've contradicted myself. The difference between "PC" in the US and what happened during Soviet Communism is marked. In the Soviet Union, one could very well lose life, and often wound up in prison for incorrect speech.
Here in the US, PC is mostly a social convention. One will not go to jail for criticizing Negroes, or any other group, although one may lose a job. As I mentioned, this is likely changing, and in another generation it would not surprise me to find that wrong speech is deemed criminal.
I am posting under a screen name since you may have confused me with another anonymous poster.
Zenster: "To assert that it originated in America suggests that it is some sort of predictable outgrowth of a Capitalistic free market economy when nothing could be farther from the truth."
"Communism is alive and well today, even to the point of residing in America's Oval Office."
You keep attacking strawmen. Oh well, I'm with Robert Marchenoir. No more attempts for me as well. Back to Joe Paterno.
mpresley: I do not believe that I've contradicted myself. The difference between "PC" in the US and what happened during Soviet Communism is marked. In the Soviet Union, one could very well lose life, and often wound up in prison for incorrect speech.
Believe as you wish but Political Correctness has one goal and one goal only; the enforcement of a totalitarian system. Please consider reading up on newspeak: (strongly suggested for all at SBPDL)
To give a single example - The word free still existed in Newspeak, but could only be used in such statements as "The dog is free from lice" or "This field is free from weeds." It could not be used in its old sense of "politically free" or "intellectually free," since political and intellectual freedom no longer existed even as concepts, and were therefore of necessity nameless. Quite apart from the suppression of definitely heretical words, reduction of vocabulary was regarded as an end in itself, and no word that could be dispensed with was allowed to survive. Newspeak was designed not to extend but to diminish the range of thought, and this purpose was indirectly assisted by cutting the choice of words down to a minimum. [emphasis added]
Politically Correct speech and newspeak are essentially identical. They both seek to constrain thought and have the explicit intention of combating thoughtcrime. SBPDL addresses this issue directly and on a daily basis.
No better example of this exists than the way that racism has become such a hot button issue. Look at how Muslims constantly, and quite successfully, play the race card when Islam is not even a race.
It is not just in the Soviet Union of old where a person could lose their life for politically incorrect speech and thought. There are emerging cases of this in the European Union.
Consider the case of Dutch cartoonist Gregorius Nekschot:
Gregorius Nekschot was arrested last week [May 2008] and kept in custody for 30 hours for cartoons that are “discriminatory against Muslims and people of darker skin”, as the Public Prosecutor’s Office (OM) in Amsterdam put it. Nekschot (‘Neck Shot’) has confirmed reports that around 10 police dragged him out of his home in Amsterdam, seized his computer and telephone and told him his real name would be revealed.
The arrest was particularly remarkable because it followed a complaint dating from 2005. The complaint was made at the time by Abdul Jabbar van de Ven, a Dutch convert to radical Islam. After the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, he said on TV he would thank Allah if he could arrange for MP Geert Wilders to die, “for example of cancer”. [emphasis is original]
Got that? The police “told him his real name would be revealed”, which could easily result in the cartoonist’s death at the hands of a Muslim terrorist, just like what happened to Theo van Gogh.
[to be continued]
There are similar instances happening in Britain where members of the anti-shari’a EDL (English Defense League) have been placed in prisons with high populations of Muslim prisoners. We have already seen attempts to stifle Freedom of Speech and expression here in America as well. New Jersey Transit worker Derek Fenton was fired from his job of eleven years after burning pages from a Koran during a peaceful demonstration commemorating the 9-11 atrocity. Destroying a person’s livelihood is just as effective as imprisoning someone. Fortunately, Fenton was reinstated by court order but what do you think his chances for advancement at his job are now?
US Attorney General Eric “My People” Holder has essentially refused to investigate charges of blatant voter intimidation by Black Panthers at a Philadelphia precinct. This represents a legal enforcement of the “only Whites can be racist” mentality that pervades Liberal thought.
Notice how the vast majority of MSM coverage concerning Mahogany Mobs and flash robs are sanitized of all references to race? Are you aware of what happened when Juan Williams spoke honestly about Muslims? Here is what he said:
“It’s an honest experience that when I’m in an airport and I see people who are in Muslim garb who identify themselves first and foremost as Muslims... I have a moment of anxiety or fear, given what happened on 9/11 -- that’s just a reality,” he says. Juan Williams stands by his comments that he’s afraid of Muslims in an airport -- even though he was fired as an NPR analyst Wednesday for expressing those thoughts. “It’s an honest experience that when I’m in an airport and I see people who are in Muslim garb who identify themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I do a double take. I have a moment of anxiety or fear, given what happened on 9/11--that’s just a reality,” Williams said Thursday on the Fox News Channel, where he also regularly appears as a talking head.
Williams said he was fired without talking to his bosses face-to-face, despite the fact that he’d been at the company for 10 years. [emphasis added]
How about the Office of Residence Life Diversity Education Training document from the University of Delaware where students were told:
"A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. 'The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because as peoples within the U.S. system, they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities, or acts of discrimination….'"
The education program also notes that "reverse racism" is "a term created and used by white people to deny their white privilege." And "a non-racist" is called "a non-term," because, the program explains, "The term was created by whites to deny responsibility for systemic racism, to maintain an aura of innocence in the face of racial oppression, and to shift the responsibility for that oppression from whites to people of color (called 'blaming the victim')." [emphasis added]
This is nothing short of institutionalized newspeak and woe betides the tenure of any academic at the University of Delaware if they act in a contrary manner.
Given the nature of these instances, I think it is quite safe to say that the current administration and its MSM cheerleaders are pointing America in the exact same direction as Europe.
Anonymous (November 12, 2011 5:34 PM): You keep attacking strawmen.
The Straw Man is a type of Red Herring because the arguer is attempting to refute his opponent's position, and in the context is required to do so, but instead attacks a position—the "straw man"—not held by his opponent. In a Straw Man argument, the arguer argues to a conclusion that denies the "straw man" he has set up, but misses the target. There may be nothing wrong with the argument presented by the arguer when it is taken out of context, that is, it may be a perfectly good argument against the straw man. It is only because the burden of proof is on the arguer to argue against the opponent's position that a Straw Man fallacy is committed. So, the fallacy is not simply the argument, but the entire situation of the argument occurring in such a context.
How is it a red herring to insist upon accuracy when identifying the historical roots of Political Correctness?
How is it a strawman argument to note that the Obama administration is actively implementing Political Correctness in America in a manner similar to that of the Soviet style?
Anonymous (November 11, 2011 7:58 PM) asserted that:
"The most favored kind of anti-Americanism is what is exported from the US media and academia. The origins of the tactics may lie in antiquity, but the talking points are made in the USA.
There is nothing antique about ― or obfuscatory upon my part in noting how ― Obama and the MSM so heartily embrace Communism and all of its Politically Correct trappings.
The so-called American brand of anti-Americanism being alluded to is nothing but pure, dyed-in-the-wool Soviet style disinformation complete with the sanitizing, bias, code speech and every other grand tradition of Pravda. It may march under the new banner of "Social Justice" but it is not one whit different from the unproductive, murderous and totalitarian Communism of old.
I am hardly making excuses for or downplaying the guilt of the growing menace of black crime, just notice the severity of it it certain places and not as much others(while keeping in mind the naturally higher occurrence of criminal behavior of blacks in general).
I would like to point out how easy one could fake a black profile on a social networking site and use it to rile up the animal inside other real blacks that one could befriend online over time, also to steer them into certain directed actions after bringing out the ape in them.
I would keep my eyes out for a hidden hand in guiding some of the flash mob attacks and other jungle-land eruptions around the nation.
Just sayin'
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