Tuesday, June 17, 2014

Debunking the Moon Landing Hoax: In 1970, Blacks Throughout America Expressed Disbelief Whitey could have Made it to the Moon...

There's one thing that's always bothered me: those who claim we never went to the moon.

The belief in the "we never went to the moon" conspiracy represents the repudiation of the our civilization, for it was white men from the nations of Europe who labored in the quest to make that "one  giant leap for mankind" possible; just as it was exclusively black people who labored in the quest to to remake cities like Detroit, Memphis, and Philadelphia in their image.


Germans.

Russians.

Englishmen.

Scots.

Irish.

Danes.

Swedes.

French.

Albion's seed here in America.

In what represents little more than a bat of an eye in the history of mankind, men pushed the boundaries of known science and mastered not only rocketry but created the greatest example of a working bureaucracy in NASA in the history of all human resources management.

Well, until the destination for NASA became not the stars, but just another federal agency dedicated to affirmative action and minority hiring in 1972...

So it should come as no surprise much of initial skepticism for the successful Apollo 11 mission came from a community whose greatest achievement is the complete dismantling of the civilization whites created in neighborhood and city throughout this country: the black community.

Yes, immediately upon landing on the moon, blacks from Chicago to Harlem, and Macon to Washington D.C. found incredulous the story of three white men traveling more than a hundred thousand miles and back, when their community was incapable of keeping a simple laundry mat open. [Denying the Apollo Moon Landings: Conspiracy and Questioning in Modern American History, Smithsonian Conference, 10-2009]:
 How widespread were the skeptics about the Moon landings in the 1960s? That is almost impossible to say. For example, New York Times science reporter John Noble Wilford remarked in December 1969 that ―A few stool- warmers in Chicago bars are on record as suggesting that the Apollo 11 moon walk last July was actually staged by Hollywood on a Nevada desert. More important, the Atlanta Constitution led a story on June 15, 1970, with: ―Many skeptics feel moon explorer Neil Armstrong took his giant step for mankind‘ somewhere in Arizona. 
It based its conclusion that an unspecified ―many questioned the Apollo 11 and 12 landings, and presumably the April 1970 accident aboard Apollo 13, on an admittedly unscientific poll conducted by the Knight Newspapers of 1,721 U.S. citizens in ―Miami, Philadelphia, Akron, Ohio, Detroit, Washington, Macon, Ga., and several rural communities in North and South Carolina. Those polled were asked, ―Do you really, completely believe that the United States has actually landed men on the moon and returned them to earth again?
While numbers questioning the Moon landing in Detroit, Miami, and Akron averaged less than five percent, among African Americans in such places as Washington, D.C., a whopping 54 percent ―doubted the moon voyage had taken place. That perhaps said more about the disconnectedness of minority communities from the Apollo effort and the nation‘s overarching racism than anything else. As the story reported, ―A woman in Macon said she knows she couldn‘t watch a telecast from the moon because her set wouldn‘t even pick up New York stations.
When the individual contributions of members of your community create poverty, crime, and misery, how can you view the collectively achievement of white individuals as anything other than a hoax, unless you're willing to admit the inherent inferiority of not only your community, but the individuals who call it home? 

When the moon landing can be brushed off as a hoax or a conspiracy, a member of the black community was then able to rationalize the complete failure of their races ability to assimilate to the American Dream due to the gross misuse of public funds in the elaborate Apollo ruse.

After all, we're all equal... [The Wrong Stuff: Are you sure we went to the moon 25 years ago? Are you positive? Millions of Americans believe the moon landings may have been a US$25 billion swindle, perpetrated by NASA with the latest in communications technology and the best in special effects. Wired plunges into the combat zone between heated conspiracy believers and exasperated NASA officials., Wired.com, September 1994]:
But when Knight Newspapers (one of the two groups that later merged to form Knight-Ridder Inc.) polled 1,721 US residents one year after the first moon landing, it found that more than 30 percent of respondents were suspicious of NASA's trips to the moon. A July 20, 1970, Newsweek article reporting the results of the poll cited "an elderly Philadelphia woman who thought the moon landing had been staged in an Arizona desert" and a Macon, Georgia, housewife who questioned how a TV set that couldn't pull in New York stations could possibly "receive signals from the moon." The greatest skepticism, according to Newsweek, surfaced in a ghetto in Washington, DC, where more than half of those interviewed doubted the authenticity of Neil Armstrong's stroll. "It's all a deliberate effort to mask problems at home," explained one inner-city preacher. "The people are unhappy - and this takes their minds off their problems."
The most flagrant hoax of our time is that of racial equality, for it allows the continued allocation of precious resources (white tax-payer money) to try and close whatever racial gap exists in learning, achievement, or fire fighter scores.

It allows for the business/corporate back-breaking ruling of disparate impact to handicap and retard any competitive advantage garnered by a lack of black employees within an organization (US Postal Service in 2014 vs. NASA pre-1972...).

So go ahead and believe we never went to the moon.

There's more evidence we went to the moon than exists evidence we can can ever lift the black race to the civilizational standards set by Europeans (Americans).

Our future should have been the stars, yet the world stands on the Malthusian Edge because we dared dismantle our civilization to show race didn't exist.

Well it does.

The moon landing is proof of this.

Which is why, to the black community, it must be a hoax.


94 comments:

D. Sterling-Trump said...

I WANT MY PHILLY BACK! I'M MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!

Anonymous said...

Trial junkie here. An example:

Years ago, Chronicles Magazine editor Thomas Fleming wrote of a time he was teaching a classroom full of blacks. Every single one of them was certain the moon landing was a hoax.

"If blacks can't do it, it can't be done," these geniuses declared.

behind blue eyes said...

As always, excellent post. Thank you.
As far as a hoax, wait until YT invents a time machine. He'll take it to colonial American and inform them of our current problems with "da niggras".
He'll say that they should do the work themselves and no need for slaves.
He'll come back and maybe we won't have our problems with BRA.
The only sad thing might be that we won't have SBPDL. But then again; no need.
stay white my friends

Anonymous said...

So NASA faked 7 moon landings and returns to Earth? How were the Apollo capsules floating down into ocean faked? Any White who believes the moon missions were faked in some soundstage should be worked over with a rubber hose for denying some of his race's (and the world's) greatest achievements.

Anonymous said...

Why this obsession with moon stuff now? It doesn't matter anymore ... America is done. It doesn't concern us anymore. They took what they needed from us, and now they're throwing us to the wolves. The super rich will continue to build Elysium in the skies, and we will be stuck here in Agenda 21 hell with all our diverse friends-of-color. Maybe they'll wave to us.

In the end, America was just one big penny stock. They pumped us and they dumped us.

Anonymous said...

We European Whites have been betrayed and deceived by the US government from all angles. The great society. Birth control for over population. Affirmative action. The 1965 Immigration Act. The Vietnam War. Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Women's liberation (in reality women's enslavement to working a full time job and then coming home to work as a full time housewife and mother). I could go on and on and on.

So, PK, I hope that you understand why I (a White European American) have some very serious doubts about whether our astronauts ever really did land on the moon. Letting NASA go to seed could very well have been just the perfect way out from such a grand scale deception.

Nothing, nothing at all, surprises me when comes to the deceptive practices of any and all governments. Ours is by far no exception.

Anonymous said...

I am white and I do not believe we ever went to the moon. The whole thing was made in a studio directed by Stanley Kubrick. Maybe I am mistaken but as the previous poster wrote, We have been duped by everything by the so-called government......why not fake a moon landing too?

Anonymous said...

discussing the moon landing hoax would take a great deal of time. the short of it is the massive amount of deadly space radiation would have made going to the moon impossible. penetrating the van allen belt would have been instant death.

it's kind of like people allegedly making cell phone calls from airplanes on 9/11 when it is impossible to make a cell phone call from an airplane. thats one clue that the official story of 9/11 is a lie.

if you really want to know all about the issues surrounding the moon landing and why many people rightfully think it is a hoax the information is only a google search away.

D-FENS said...

The landing sites have been photographed by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. You can actually see the footpaths made by the astronauts. I believe a Japanese spacecraft has also imaged the sites. Why return 7 times and risk a screw up that would blow the whole scheme?

Anonymous said...

One day, people will go to the moon on vacation, probably aboard Air China or Air India. They will take a tram to the Apollo 11 landing site, and the tour guide will probably throw in a little trivia, such as, "As late as 2014, there were people who believed it never happened." Then they will go back to their hotel and jump twenty feet in the air off the diving board, into the pool.

Anonymous said...

Ex New Yorker here.....Here is a quote that Bogolyubski and some others may enjoy....

"Television is the Satanic family altar. Television is the major mainstream infiltration for the new Satanic religion."
Anton Lavey. (Church of Satan.....San Francisco)

BTW....In the last three weeks I saw three black people, one wigger and a wiggerette. The wigger had on black underwear with red polka dots. I couldn't see what kind of underwear the wiggerette was wearing, but she did have tats on both arms and a dog collar around her neck. I think they were in love.

Anonymous said...

Ex New Yorker here.....Here is a quote that Bogolyubski and some others may enjoy....

"Television is the Satanic family altar. Television is the major mainstream infiltration for the new Satanic religion."
Anton Lavey. (Church of Satan.....San Francisco)

BTW....In the last three weeks I saw three black people, one wigger and a wiggerette. The wigger had on black underwear with red polka dots. I couldn't see what kind of underwear the wiggerette was wearing, but she did have tats on both arms and a dog collar around her neck. I think they were in love.

Anonymous said...

It's the same problem with people who think space aliens built the pyramids because they can't understand how it could be done.

Gwinnett Gladiator said...

Oh, dear. We've been down this road already. Reality can be ascertained here: http://youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs

GG

Anonymous said...

In what amounts to less than the bat of an eye in the histoy of mankind, blacks time will come and go.
The new Chinese Dynasty will make a colossal wall of negro skulls and bones that will last thousands of years.

Anonymous said...

If the moon landings were fake, I'm sure the Russians would have mentioned it by now. They were monitoring everything and knew damn well we were there. They never disputed any of it.

Bogolyubski said...

Anon:
I am white and I do not believe we ever went to the moon. The whole thing was made in a studio directed by Stanley Kubrick. Maybe I am mistaken but as the previous poster wrote, We have been duped by everything by the so-called government......why not fake a moon landing too?

While my default position on any government claim is that it is a lie (it being the Banana Empire after all), I must admit that this would be too difficult for them to fake. There were simply far too many people involved for them to have pulled off a scam of this size. I think the reason for Paul's frequent reference to this event is that it represents the the high-water mark of White America - a place long gone now. It also serves as a stark contrast to what the country has become in the meantime - under the looting scam of BRA.

Mr. Rational said...

So NASA faked 7 moon landings and returns to Earth?

6 landings; Apollo 13 did not land.  Also, Apollo missions 8 and 10 were lunar orbital missions without landings.

I am white and I do not believe we ever went to the moon. The whole thing was made in a studio directed by Stanley Kubrick.

OMG, someone White who can't pick out the things in "2001" which prove that it was made on earth... and which are conspicuously different in all the Apollo film?  Start with the "hang time" of the dust kicked up in the real lunar film (proving lunar gravity) and the lack of anything that remains suspended (proving vacuum) and go from there.  There really is a problem with a deficit of critical thinking abilities.

Anonymous said...

As far as I am concerned,who really gives a shit if the nogs 'believe' or don't believe we went to the moon? I mean really! There were thousands of people involved in the moon projects so that means that either they were all fooled too or they were all 'in on it 'if we did not go.That,to me,is harder to believe than us going to the moon.Please,don't take my word for it.I am a bit gullible.
Richard Cranium

Anonymous said...

"So, PK, I hope that you understand why I (a White European American) have some very serious doubts about whether our astronauts ever really did land on the moon."

I'm not saying that it didn't happen. I'm just expressing that there are some very serious doubts that are gnawing at my gut.

I guess that I just don't know what to believe anymore. Can you blame me?

NemoMeImpuneLacessit said...

Werner Von Braun faked the Saturn 5 just like he faked the V2.

Anonymous said...

Werner Von Braun faked the Saturn-5 just like he faked the V-2.

Anonymous said...

I, too, no longer believe we went to the moon. It was just another deception by our lying federal government. Just think how much they sucked out of our coffers with that one.

Who, in their right mind, would believe that humans in a reinforced aluminum & mylar balloon could make it past both Van Allen belts? Only those that never heard of them or don't understand what it would take to pass through them, not once but twice.

Anonymous said...

As an innocent young man 25 years ago, I heard a black co-worker say we couldn't have gone to the moon because, "Where did dey get da map?"

My eyes have been open ever since

Anonymous said...

Popular film from the year 2027 -

"From The Hood 2 Tha Moon: The Leroy Armstrong Story". A touching tale of how a young black man, whose entire family was wiped out in the death camps of Mississippi by hillbilly Nazis, overcame racism and oppression to singlehandedly build the first moon rocket.

Directed by Judd Apatow.

Chuck Hammer said...

I am white and I do not believe we ever went to the moon. The whole thing was made in a studio directed by Stanley Kubrick.

And you probably also believe humans can change the Earth's climate, melt the ice caps, raise the sea level. lol.

The Russians would have outed any easily-detectable moon landing fakery. And then there's the laser reflectors left on the Moon's surface, the previously mentioned Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter and the landing site images, etc., etc.

One of my favorite debunks of the moon landing deniers is this guy. We had the technology to land on the Moon in 1969 but we didn't have the technology to fake it.

Anonymous said...

You know blacks built Stonehenge, right? No - I'm serious. A white company hired a black contractor to build a state-of-the-art luxury hotel, and that was the result.

The more you know!

Independent Accountant said...

Are we to believe the moon landings were faked and the Rooskies failed to expose them? No way.

Anonymous said...

"""""""""""""""""" "If blacks can't do it, it can't be done," """""""""""""""""""""""""""""


And so speaks BRA's collective all-encompassing philosophy.

Whiskey said...

If Kubric had directed a fake it would have been more entertaining and arty with lots of cut takes.

Rule 308 said...

A quick dispatch from Madison, WI:

(1) One of the high-ranking blacks in the city (former head of the Urban League) has a son who was walking down the street and allegedly looked at another black's girlfriend. Before you could say "poor impulse control," he was getting his head bashed in on the sidewalk. There's a great CT scan of his head in the link below. What's even better, is the little Trayvon that did the head bashing was just out of jail on bail. Literally two hours later, before you could say "no future time orientation," he's smashing a skull on a sidewalk. No matter. He's out on bail. Again.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/writers/pat_schneider/kaleem-caire-says-son-s-accused-attacker-should-not-have/article_c9bd5a6e-dd33-11e3-83cb-001a4bcf887a.html

(2) The "Cap Times" (your progressive voice!) is the liberal arm of the Wisconsin State Journal, itself a liberal paper, the local rag, and probably the second biggest paper in the state behind the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. They have really been pushing the race stories since the shocking revelation that blacks in Dane County are unemployed and cause crime. For some background, see here: http://host.madison.com/news/local/alarming-racial-disparities-continue-to-plague-dane-county/article_e0362222-f8c2-53aa-9a87-f97e3653b8f1.html

Well, reporting on race daily wasn't enough. Now there is a dedicated page for examining racial issues in Madison. Sadly, it's not an Onion (also a Madison paper) parody. This is real:

http://host.madison.com/ct/topics/race-in-madison/

There's got to be some SBPDL gold in there if you can even stand to read more than a paragraph...

dondiego said...

LoL
http://s20.photobucket.com/user/ambic/media/FarSideCowRocket.jpg.html

Jeff in Palm Springs said...

I think the logic of the disbelievers is telling.

They want socialism because a stock clerk cannot earn as much as a brain surgeon. Unfair!

They "know" Bush was far more evil than Hitler and Satan combined, so 9/11 was a Neo-Con GOP inside job.

A poorly slapped together conspiracy video on Youtube is definitive proof that we never made it to the moon.

These are the same folks who would be lining up local women for burning because there is proof they are witches.

No proof. They just "know" and feelings are all that matters.

Anonymous said...

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/06/putin-responds-in-force-after-obama-orders-atomic-bombs-to-europe/

Heads up folks.

8MM

NotTooSwift said...

" Anonymous said...
I am white and I do not believe we ever went to the moon."

Do you realize how many people would be involved in faking the moon landings?

That would be like saying World War II was faked.

Get a life, Anonymous.

gkruz said...

The only person I know who believes the moon landings were hoaxed is a DWL who adores blacks and is always bringing up the topic of "racism" and even gives "racism tests" to other Whites, like some grand inquisitor/commissar. Coinicdence? I think not.

One Pissed Off Irishman said...

FUN FACT - In the 40's the Germans managed to get a modified V2 with a camera mounted on it into space(low earth orbit at least) before the Russians put up Sputnik.

From Wikipedia

"The V-2 (German: Vergeltungswaffe 2, "Vengeance Weapon 2"), technical name Aggregat-4 (A4), was the world's first long-range[4] ballistic missile. The liquid-propellant rocket was developed during the Second World War in Germany as a "vengeance weapon", designed to attack Allied cities as a form of retaliation for the ever-increasing Allied bomber effort against German cities. The V-2 rocket was also the first man-made object to enter the fringes of space.

Beginning in September 1944, over 3,000 V-2s were launched by the German Wehrmacht against Allied targets during the war, mostly London and later Antwerp and Li├Ęge. According to a BBC documentary in 2011, the attacks resulted in the deaths of an estimated 9,000 civilians and military personnel, while 12,000 forced laborers and concentration camp prisoners were killed producing the weapons.[5]

The V-2's greatest impact may have been after the war; as Germany collapsed, teams from all of the Allied forces raced to collect rockets, designs and the German engineers and scientists involved in the V-2 effort. In the immediate post-war era, these teams were combined with local groups to re-engineer and update the V-2 design. The knowledge gained from these efforts led to rapid progress, especially in the United States and the Soviet Union, and by the mid-1950s, nuclear-armed descendents of V-2 missiles were common battlefield weapons. By the end of the decade these had reached intercontinental range and became a primary strategic weapon.

Through a lengthy sequence of events, a significant portion of the original V-2 team ended up working for the US Army at the Redstone Arsenal. This team, led by Wernher von Braun, would be turned over to NASA on its formation. For NASA they designed a series of booster rockets in the Saturn family, which successfully landed a man on the Moon"

-One Pissed Off Irishman

Anonymous said...

A woman in Macon said she knows she couldn‘t watch a telecast from the moon because her set wouldn‘t even pick up New York stations.

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

RE: Conspiracy Theories...

The UN is here. And UN Agenda 21 is real. Globalism and the New World Order is real.

I am pretty sure the elites are very happy that patriotic white Conservatives think it's all a conspiracy theory. Gives them more time to set things up.

http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/the-united-nations-is-here/

Anonymous said...

http://www.censorbugbear.org/africa/south-africa/all-whites-now-finally-excluded-from-the-south-african-job-market

Coming to the Kwa

8MM

Anonymous said...

Wow, Paul, apparently, we're not doomed after all, according to Gavin McInnes, a part-time race realist blogger.

http://www.amren.com/news/2014/06/america-in-2034-7/

"Blacks aren’t the problem. It’s whites. Black people hate the tattletale on the train. America does too."

Hey, the blacks are really OK, the problem is with northern white liberals. Southern whites get along great with blacks. Down there, blacks are easy going, noble, funny, hard-working family types, just trying to make it in this world.

And the Bell Curve is really and anti-racist book, and there are many Asians way dumber than some blacks. Gavin says, "There is giant overlap on IQ tests, and thousands of Asians are dumber than thousands of blacks and thousands of blacks are smarter than thousands of Asians. You’d be a fool to assume you weren’t dealing with one of those thousands from these groups. "

The REAL problem, according to Gavin, is that white liberals are always snitching and imposing law and order on blacks. If whites would just let up a little, we could all just get along.

Anonymous said...

in response to Bogolyubski, who wrote: "I think the reason for Paul's frequent reference to this event is that it represents the the high-water mark of White America - a place long gone now. It also serves as a stark contrast to what the country has become in the meantime - under the looting scam of BRA."

Have to disagree: since the Moon landing European, with the help of Indians and East Asians, have created tons of groundbreaking stuff that dwarf the engineering feats of NASA. Steve Jobs and Elon Musk--to cite 2 among many geniuses--have transformed the world more than the NASA engineers.

Listen, we all know that blacks, on average, ain't too smart, but that fact doesn't contravene the fact that we, as moral and ethical human beings, should treat them with a modicum of respect and decency. Most blacks are decent people, and while a lot are dependent on governmental largess (welfare, affirmative action, etc.), many others are hard working with good senses of humor.

Bottom line, we should not always be focusing on nonblack superiority--it's redundant to say the least.

The PDK Herald/Crier Project said...

I believe the moon is, on average, about 240,000 miles from Earth. I actually remember the Apollo flight to the moon without landing preceding Apollo 11, the dry run, and further remember the narrator saying the flight was 248,000 miles there.

There were complications for Apollo 11, apparently the Russians realizing they were beat in the race to the moon sent an unmanned vehicle there simultaneously to dog and make it as difficult as possible for the Americans.

It's purported mission was to photograph the dark side of the moon.

In 1978 a movie came out called Capricorn one, which was a vehicle for the illusion of America falsely achieving a man on the moon.

Undoubtedly a liberal production.

Neil Armstrong had to land the module manually in less than a minute. His heart rate soared to 157 beats per minute. with just seconds remaining he achieved what few others could possible have.

Then, 7/69 at age 15, I was proud of my country and our magnificent achievement.

Today, now near 7/2014, I am no longer proud of my country, I have not a patriotic bone left in my body for America the transmogrified. But I am still very proud of what my white gene pool/race and culture once did before liberal ideology/illusion became the lay of our land and the rule of our roost.

So horrific is white liberal ideology/illusion that we whites must sacrifice our own kind, our own culture and our own posterity for every loser of planet Earth via the white liberal ideology of the white man's burden.

Of course white liberal ideology is insanity. What sane person would sacrifice his own gene pool/race and posterity to save a loser sub-species of human who should be allowed his natural path to his own extinction?

I can look back to our 1960s space program with fondness and pride; I still remember footage of mission control with all those intelligent whites and not a single low IQed negro.

Time to consider a new life, protected from the white liberal ideology of the white man's burden and free of the all losers of planet Earth over, including the poor, lowly negro and his parasitic desires for everything of the white man.

A new White Homeland is a necessity.

From the Sanctuary, I'm PDK: Thank you.

Anonymous said...

""""""""""""""""Wow, Paul, apparently, we're not doomed after all, according to Gavin McInnes, a part-time race realist blogger. """""""""""""""""

By his own admission, Gavin used and abused some recreational drugs back in the day. Perhaps he was on recess when he wrote this piece of.....melodramatic BS.

I don't know why AmRen would print such a piece of junk. Its not as if Gavin's married to a black woman or something.


"""""""""and there are many Asians way dumber than some blacks.""""""""""""""""""""

Sure, there are Gavin. That's why AA is used to prevent and suppress the total number of Asians in colleges across US while AA is generally used to help blacks WITH admissions to those very same colleges.



""""""""""""""There is giant overlap on IQ tests, and thousands of Asians are dumber than thousands of blacks and thousands of blacks are smarter than thousands of Asians.""""""""""""""""""

Ok, its official. He was definitely on drugs when he wrote this. Either that he or he is completely clueless regarding basic statistics.

Cite your sources, Gavin! Cite your research for making these totally bogus claims. Gavin, Gavin, Gavin. Come, come now.

Rule of thumb is, if you're blowing smoke up your own ass, its totally acceptable to BS yourself, but when you're trying to blow smoke up other people's asses (e.g. in a published article for public consumption) then you have to actually attempt for accuracy and cite whatever sources you may have so others can fact check them.

Next he'll be writing that thousands of Jews are dumber than blacks. Even though the Standard Deviation of Jewish IQ is 115 and for blacks the SD IQ is around 85.

How's that work exactly, Gavin?

Nah. He knows better. He really doesn't know a whole lot of blacks but he definitely knows tons of Jews. Even he's not that fuckin' crazy to make a claim that thousands (or perhaps a total number of three) of Jews aren't as smart as blacks.


"""""""You’d be a fool to assume you weren’t dealing with one of those thousands from these groups."""""""""""""""""""""""

Actually, the reverse is true. Since the mean IQ for blacks is 85 you'd be a fool to assume that the vast majority of millions and MILLIONS of blacks that you come into contact with on a daily basis are anything but similar to Rachel Jeantel. Jeantel is the norm; Michelle and Barack are the exceptions.

Amazing that Gavin's essay can make someone like Thomas Sowell appear to be race realist. Even Sowell doesn't go down these extreme routes of assholery.

Nope. I don't think that Gavin's wife is black but there must be a reason for this piece of BS.

Maybe he was doing some drugs when he wrote it.

Anonymous said...

""""""""""Have to disagree:"""""""""""""""

Actually, no you don't have to. For its time, the lunar landing was the pinnacle of white Western achievement. It, as well as NASA and other scientific achievements of that era paved the way for many of the technological advancements that we take for granted today. For instance, while we were landing on the moon, the Internet was getting started as a small but useful program as part of the Dept of Defense. Contrary to what Al Gore may have told you, the Internet was being birthed around this time.



""""""""""""""since the Moon landing European, with the help of Indians and East Asians, have created tons of groundbreaking stuff that dwarf the engineering feats of NASA. Steve Jobs and Elon Musk--to cite 2 among many geniuses--have transformed the world more than the NASA engineers."""""""""

Last I checked, Jobs and Musk were white. So you're making our point without realizing it.


"""""""""Listen, we all know that blacks, on average, ain't too smart,"""""""""""""""

No serious, do you know that? Not sure how you would if your primary source of information was the MSM, they sure ain't spilling any secrets re: IQ and race.


"""""but that fact doesn't contravene the fact that we, as moral and ethical human beings, should treat them with a modicum of respect and decency. """"""""""

Shut up. When's the last time a bunch of white gangs did the knockout game on a couple of random blacks? Oh that's right, it never happened. Or how about all that white on black violence, oh wait, that doesn't happen in the degree of the reverse. Basically, it works both ways. Shouldn't blacks start to treat others with compassion? With all the trillions of gov programs thrown their way to help them out, don't you think its long overdue that they start to act in a reciprocal manner than whites generally do behave toward them? I mean, after 50yrs into the Civil Rights era, don't you think that the majority should?


""""""Most blacks are decent people,""""""""""

No, they're not. Not most. A couple, a few, yes. Most? Nope. Not based on any reasonable stats you can name. Oh, we're sure you know a couple of good ones, and some of us have had contact with the other kind of groid.


""""""""many others are hard working with good senses of humor."""""""""""""""

What is this, first Gavin with the black wife and now this one.


"""""Bottom line, we should not always be focusing on nonblack superiority--it's redundant to say the least."""""""""""""""""""""""

This must be your first time to this site. The entire MSM is daily telling you how great and wonderful are blacks.

Maybe the truth is just to difficult to deal with, especially if you're like Gavin.

Anonymous said...

Greetings from the glorious USSA Comrade PK. Just a note to let you know there is some problem with the comments. It might just be on my end.
I don't watch NASA documentaries anymore since it is too depressing to be reminded of the suicide of a once great representative republic that has fallen from such great heights.

Jeff in Palm Springs said...

I understand Gavin's emotional article. There are some DWLs who are married to fairly intelligent Blacks.

They look at their husband/wife and think "I love this Black person who is capable and intelligent; all Blacks are great like my spouse."

It's a leap of logic so bound up in love and admiration it cannot be challenged. It's akin to "my cat is smarter than yours"; any debate is felt to be hatred of the other cat.

I've lived in Maryland, Florida and California. Blacks are just as assertive, aggressive and difficult everywhere. They believe YT is the enemy and revenge is a moral imperative.

There is no difference in Black/White interactions in the North or South. Whites want peaceful co-existence or to be away from the criminal underclass. Blacks want freebies and revenge.

It's like this all over the USA.

Anonymous said...

Theorists says Stonehenge was designed to let the ancients know the precise time to plant crops. Maybe they pyramids and Stonehenge are ancient launching and landing pads? Todays techno narcissists who are so super smart they would bring back the gulag state so no one will be offended or be a *gasp* waycist(!) think the ancients were grunting around fires in caves when they were the intelligent ones compared to contemporary runts of the litter.

Anonymous said...

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40256751?uid=3739920&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104171389807

to anonymous: the link above is a frank discussion of the dysfunction that is the black underclass, written by a respected black scholar, William Julius Wilson. Yes, underclass blacks are responsible for a lot of out-of-wedlock births, crime (mostly black on black), and social decay--I think we can all agree on that, but the black underclass comprises what--20% of blacks? Why must you only focus on the underclass? It seems to me that middle class black and white liberals are just as responsible for the existence of the underclass.

re Ashkenazi IQ: average IQ is not 115, but closer to 107, and not much higher than average goyim IQ. Check this out (it's entitled "The Myth of the American Meritocracy," by Ron Unz [I highly recommend his blog for HBDers, and it's also Steve Sailer's new home]):

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

I highly recommend this article to all posters. Here are a couple of paragraphs on Jewish IQ (and by Jewish, I presume Unz means Ashkenazi Jew):

"In some respects, perhaps it was the enormously outsize Jewish academic performance of the past which was highly anomalous, and the more recent partial convergence toward white European norms which is somewhat less surprising. Over the years, claims have been widely circulated that the mean Jewish IQ is a full standard deviation—15 points—above the white average of 100,64 but this seems to have little basis in reality. Richard Lynn, one of the world’s foremost IQ experts, has performed an exhaustive literature review and located some 32 IQ samples of American Jews, taken from 1920 to 2008. For the first 14 studies conducted during the years 1920–1937, the Jewish IQ came out very close to the white American mean, and it was only in later decades that the average figure rose to the approximate range of 107–111.65

"In a previous article 'Race, IQ & Wealth,' I had suggested that the IQs of ethnic groups appear to be far more malleable than many people would acknowledge, and may be particularly influenced by factors of urbanization, education, and affluence.66 Given that Jews have always been America’s most heavily urbanized population and became the most affluent during the decades in question, these factors may account for a substantial portion of their huge IQ rise during most of the twentieth century. But with modern electronic technology recently narrowing the gaps in social environment and educational opportunities between America’s rural and urban worlds, we might expect a portion of this difference to gradually dissipate. American Jews are certainly a high-ability population, but the innate advantage they have over other high-ability white populations is probably far smaller than is widely believed."

panjoomby said...

thanks, Rule 308! good stuff -

interesting, they always say:

"...Madison is failing its African-American community"

when they should say "black community is failing Madison"

http://host.madison.com/news/local/city-life/justified-anger-rev-alex-gee-says-madison-is-failing-its/article_14f6126c-fc1c-55aa-a6a3-6c3d00a4424c.html

whisker child said...

33 years ago I travelled in Latin America.

Hispanics are a jealous little people.

Some Bolivian journalist I met down there told me he didn't believe that the moon walk had happened either. I shrugged- that pissed him off; he wanted to see me get pissed off, but I didn't give him the satisfaction.

The little Beaners are jealous as hell of our accomplishments.

Anonymous said...

'Nope. I don't think that Gavin's wife is black but there must be a reason for this piece of BS. '

He calls himself a "race-mixer", and his children are mixed. Nicholas Stix also has a non-white wife (from Trinidad, I think?), which sounds like she's black. But he is very spot on about racial differences.

I would think that many white guys/gals who have had intimate relationship with blacks would tend to be race-realists. I would tend believe them over those who have not.

Anonymous said...

http://takimag.com/article/15_myths_millennials_accept_as_fact_gavin_mcinnes/print#axzz351Ai0Jyu

"I’m a race mixer but our family has decided to err toward Western values more than the American Indian ones because the West is the best." -Gavin McInnes

Anonymous said...

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2014/06/18/student-accuses-high-school-of-blocking-conservative-websites/

Anonymous said...

Very good point made here, that whites put a man on the moon, and blacks can't even keep a ghetto laundromat open. The time has come for talks about creating a new seceded country based upon principles of race.

Anonymous said...

http://www.newsforage.com/2014/06/spacexs-elon-musk-forget-nasa-and-2035.html

Anonymous said...

You have to admit that pulling off a moon landing hoax is in itself a major feat.

Anonymous said...

So I must be a race mixer to be a legitimate race realist?

What a crock of shit. I've got a lifetime of knowledge and experience to guide my conviction. I don't need your polluted vote of confidence, thanks.

Anonymous said...

So, all SIX moon landings were hoaxes? And the Russians, at the height of the cold war, with advanced radars and communications, with everything to gain on the PR front, who had been in a race to get there first and lost, wouldn't have blown it wide open? How about communication satellites? Are they real? The Surveyor spacecrafts, Voyager, and the Mars Rovers--all hoaxes? How about the Space Shuttle, or even John Glenn's first orbital flight? Did that really happen? Why did they stop? How come they don't fake a Mars landing?

CENTURION said...

For a conspiracy to be real, and not just a conspiracy, one needs to ask WHO benefits.

WHO benefits by a fake moon landing? WHO in Russia would benefit? Why assume the Russians may NOT be in on the "hoax"? America just may be the "right hand" while the Russians are the "left hand" of the World body politic. Who are we to know?

Folks, we don't know jack. We are little useless mouths. We are ignorant little serfs who are led by the rulers through the Matrix of our lives and therefore, who are we to really discuss this?

I want to hear from those engineers who would know. I want somebody who knows what it takes to get to the moon to comment. I want somebody who knows about this "radiation" belt to explain.

Stop insulting each other. Stop coming up with clever insulting "questions" designed to silence others and not really seek an answer.

I am so tired of these kind of discussions. The FACTS exist to answer all legit questions. Either humans CAN or they CAN NOT endure this "radiation belt" and you can't tell me there is not a SINGLE person alive in the US who can answer.

I have seen videos pro and con. I have looked at the "evidence". I don't now who to believe since neither side will ANSWER the serious questions posed by the other.

They just turn to mockery, insults and childish sniping.

Stop it.

To call one who questions black and White relations a RAYCISSS is just as stupid as what is happening with this topic.

To bring up and question the idea the Moon Landings may or may not be a hoax is itself not the idiotic part.....it is the inability, and/or the refusal to answer the questions.

White Realist said...

I'm a proud White conservative racialist myself and I certainly don't need to be black or a liberal to firmly believe that we never went to the RADIOACTIVE SPACE AND MOON as it was humanly impossible to do so with 1960's technology.

This was nothing else than Cold War propaganda and even NASA as admitted back in 2005 (BEFORE the Obama regime)that any current mission to the Moon is still too dangerous for the astronauts due to RADIATION.

You can read it all here:

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/24jun_electrostatics/

Only the TRUTH is what matters and in this case it serves no purpose to still live in its denial when negroes will still be jealous of anything we can do better anyway.

This is 2014 and if we could have landed 6 times so easily between 1969 to 1972 all with a brand new Lunar Module every time, the Russians and Chinese would already be there building space stations regardless of the fact that NASA has changed its priorities due to BRA.

Thank you for allowing my comment.

Anonymous said...

"""To anonymous:""""""""""

Aren't you anonymous as well? Anyway, do continue.



"""""Yes, underclass blacks are responsible for a lot of out-of-wedlock births,"""""""""""""""""""

Uh, it's over 70% right now, that's certainly more than 'a lot', duh. By 2029 if rates continue to rise (and they are continuing to rise) the out of wedlock birthrate among blacks will hover around 90%, or around 88-89%.


"""""crime (mostly black on black), and social decay--I think we can all agree on that,"""""""

To be honest, it didn't sound like you wanted to agree with it at first.


""""but the black underclass comprises what--20% of blacks? """""""""""""

Now, that's a lie. That is a lie by every measurable statistic. 20%? Try 80-85%.

NEWSFLASH: It was at 25% (as was the out of wedlock rate) back in 1965, when D.Patrick Moynihan wrote his famous tract the "Negro Family' and the social problems he was witnessing at the time.

So yeah, you're right, IF this were 1965. That's almost a full half a century ago.

I know, I know, you and other neo-cons are sooooo set on the idea that any day now, Herman Cain, Allen West, etc. are going to lead their community over to the GOP and reaalllll soon now, etc.

Lets cut the BS. Right now.

What you and other deniers don't want to have to deal with are facts re: Race.

FACT: Thomas Sowell, Allen West, William J. Wilson, etc. DO NOT SPEAK COLLECTIVELY FOR THE MAJORITY OF BLACKS. The fact that more WHITE people appear to read their work and/or admire their for the issues they support means that they are NEVER, EVER going to be accepted into the black community.

FACT: Jesse Jackson; Sharpton; JZ, Snoop Dog; Holder; Rev. Jer. Wright DO speak for the VAST MAJORITY of blacks.

To the vast majority of blacks (every time they're asked about who speaks for their community) they automatically name the latter list and not the former. Clarence Thomas is never going to be respected by the majority of blacks. In fact, he and others like him are considered to be Unc Toms.

You automatically showed your true colors by deliberately downplaying any and all social/IQ/racial problems that exist within the black community.

Why must you only focus on the underclass? It seems to me that middle class black and white liberals are just as responsible for the existence of the underclass.

It's a lie, and it won't wash in 2014. Nice during Morning in USA era (re: early 80s) but that ship has long sailed.

Anonymous said...

""""""""""I would think that many white guys/gals who have had intimate relationship with blacks would tend to be race-realists.""""""""""""""""""

Ken Burns is married to a black woman. Do you tend to trust his version of history with regards to blacks?

Keep it in perspective.


Nichole Brown Simpson, a white, was married to OJ. Where's she now?



""""""I would tend believe them over those who have not.""""""""""

Those individual examples, perhaps so. But alllllll race-mixers? BS.

Anonymous said...

duh....duh....guyz come on now... Our
eeeegipshun poppalashun used to fly around all over this planet, this solar system, the ho'Danged Milky Way & anyware'else they b wanton 2 fly to....

Duh....they b doing this 5000 years 'fore yt could "life off". So YT going to Moon taint no BFD cuz our eeeegipshunz was there 5000 or maybe even 10,000 yearz ago...

If you not b no'in that part of eeeegipshun history it's cuz school didn't teachamatate you werld hissory right 'n gooder....but doan u worrie nun cuz Common Core gonna teach all dat righteous history that them old time racists not teached bakka wen u wuz a skrewl kid

Who you think invented 'bout everythang? Black eeeegipshunz, that who & they invented eberthang 5000-10000 years ago. YT just rediscovered it, that wat we gonna teach startun nex yeer.

What I doan unnerstan yet is how that ancient & real ebil devil whiteys erased all them eeeegipshun brains so they 4got how 2 fly 'n sheeit like they'd been flyin' round for 1000s of years, practicing real good

/H hypie out H\

Anonymous said...

Paul -

Over on a pro-white Facebook page they've shared a post outlining the great differences in Africans and whites. What I found interesting, at the very bottom it says "NASA has had serious problems with Negroes in space. Their metabolic rate slows down so dramatically that two missions had to be cut short because of it."

But it's not sourced. I just wanted to share it because that might be worth looking into - it had to come from somewhere - if the information can still be found.

PB said...

"The FACTS exist to answer all legit questions."

What was it Churchill said? "Truth was so precious she needed to be attended by a bodyguard of lies" or words to that effect. Much of what we call history is just the bodyguard speaking up. Trouble is finding out which parts are the truth, which parts are lies and which parts are truths portrayed as lies and vice versa.

Anonymous said...

Raymond Teague, a former NASA contractor employee during the moon landings, has stated that knowing what he does now, he isn't quite sure we went to the moon. He also said Russian scientists, who he was close with at the time, said the US didn't go to the moon.

Eustace Mullins stated before he died that he no longer believed we went to the moon and that was a man who did his research and it was impeccable.

Anonymous said...

-One Pissed Off Irishman

June 18, 2014 at 5:40 AM

RE: Werner von Braun

"I just make them go up, not where they come down. That's not my department said Werner von Braun."

Anonymous said...

Since Paul's commentary over at amren on America in 2034, they have had two commentaries by a couple of posers. Go read them. I'm sorry, I am still unimpressed by Jared Taylor, even with his silly pronunciation of "wHites".

Anonymous said...

The guy "Anonymous" who thinks that everything he disagrees with is "BS", and who is doing this type of posting:

""""""""Listen, we all know that blacks, on average, ain't too smart,"""""""""""""""

is quite annoying! It is as if you are vomiting all over the comment section AND yelling at us at the same time. Your posts are too long and drawn out and I am inclined to skip them from now on.

Please calm down, and stop with the duplicate letters/symbols. We are not preschoolers.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Um. Ken Burns' wife:

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/d5D7ARSjDxw/Cannes+Le+Scaphandre+Et+Le+Papillon+Premiere/dOidShx7OYz/Ken+Burns

Looks white to me. Says she is Jewish.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:

"If the moon landings were fake, I'm sure the Russians would have mentioned it by now. They were monitoring everything and knew damn well we were there. They never disputed any of it."

____________

As usual the same old knee jerk argument as if one can prove a negative and as if the Russians were in control of Western information during the Cold War.

Please. Nobody in the Western world would have believed them, especially during that so-called "space race" and they would have quickly looked and been portrayed as nothing but sore losers. Who controls the US government and media is in charge here and that's why we live in BRA.

The shear fact that we live in BRA is the proof that we never went to the Moon, moreover when the Russians or anybody else still can't 45 years later even though there are no negroes there to suck them dry. This is like crossing the Pacific Ocean on a plane several times and then have nobody else even try to do it again... I mean hello ?

D-FENS said...


I am so tired of these kind of discussions. The FACTS exist to answer all legit questions. Either humans CAN or they CAN NOT endure this "radiation belt" and you can't tell me there is not a SINGLE person alive in the US who can answer."


"I'm a proud White conservative racialist myself and I certainly don't need to be black or a liberal to firmly believe that we never went to the RADIOACTIVE SPACE AND MOON as it was humanly impossible to do so with 1960's technology."

I have worked in commercial nuclear power for 30 years. I am not a health physicist (someone who evaluates hazards from radiation and radioactive materials (which are NOT the same thing). I have done shielding and dose calculations.

The translunar Apollo missions crossed Van Allen radiation belts going to and returning from the moon. The actual time in the belts was only a few hours as the spacecraft was at its greatest velocity just after firing their rockets to leave Earth orbit and returning from the moon a lunar return velocities.Typically the speeds were on the order of 5-7 miles per second. The astronauts carried dosimeters and the readings were somewhat lower than expected.

The Soviets sent biological specimens around the moon (Zond 5 mission)just prior to our first lunar orbital mission. They returned unharmed.

Some of the Earth orbital Gemini flights went high enough to graze the lower reaches of the Van Allen Belts. Their dosimeters noted the increase.

The doses received during these flights were non-trivial but within what would be allowed for commercial nuclear power plant workers.

The greatest hazard to the Apollo astronauts were probably solar flares. Between the flights of Apollo 16 and 17 there was a massive solar flare which could have been fatal to an Apollo crew if there was a mission at the time.

Finally, the Van Allen Belts are not radioactive. Their radiation comes from high energy charged particles trapped in Earth's magnetic field. They cause a high amount of ionization in material they interact with. This is what causes the biological damage.

Trips to Mars are far more problematic because of the long exposure times involved. We really should wait until high energy nuclear propulsion tugs are developed.

countenance said...

While we're on the subject, another similar item that's subject to a zillion ridiculous conspiracy theories is the invention of the transistor. Some of the moderately ridiculous theories involve space aliens. Some are even more silly, some aren't quite as silly but still silly.

Why do I think the cottage industry of CTs involving the invention of the transistor is allowed to fester?

Consider this Paul Kersey post, making the case that "no moon landing" CTs have its genesis in the jealousy and failure of the black undertow.

And the reason for the CT cottage industry re the transistor is that William Shockley has to be wiped out of the history books because of his "racism."

Anonymous said...

The one thing taht everybody seems to fail to realize and that the media is deliberateley keeping quiet about is that it is not likely any trips went to the moon or that any ever will or to Mars even. Why? It is because of one simple overlooked fact. And that fact is that there is no way to exact a rescue or send help if something goes wrong. It would be too expensive or not practical. and those involved in accounting and cost control were the first ones to raise this red flag. This is why there will never be any real space flights anywhere, and never have been. Y'all understand now what a hoax it's been, I hope so.

Anonymous said...

If you still believe the moon landings were not fake try reading this.

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

Anonymous said...

Nice one, an article by the Laurel Canyon guy. Hahahahahaha!!! Maybe Frank Zappa is in on the conspiracy. Maybe the first astronauts were the Byrds!!! Hey Mr. Spaceman! Maybe they put Manson on the Moon!!!

I still love Michelle Phillips, however.

CENTURION said...

Hoax?

There are those who think race is a hoax. There are those who think IQ is a hoax.

We, here, deal with racial deniers all the time. We, here, deal with those who call us conspiracy nuts since we don't agree with the State's Party Line.

Let me rephrase the title to this post to show you what I mean:

"Debunking the Racial IQ Difference Hoax. In 1970, blacks throughout America expressed disbelief Whitey could have a higher IQ".

Everyone here knows for a fact IQ differences are not a hoax, but the entire world says all men are equal. If you question that, you are a conspiracy nut, a fool, one who believes in a hoax.

If we can be lied to about IQ and racial equality by our State, our Universities, our Media, our Churches, our Political parites, etc. then we can easily be lied to about grainy blurry pictures claiming we are walking on the moon.


Well.........see where I am going with this?

CENTURION said...

7:39 Anonymous.

See, you read the article from Laurel Canyon. So did I but I din't respond like you did with 7th grade smirks and insults.

The article had many serious and unanswered questions. All that you ignored and could not offer one explanation.

Rather, you attempt to insult those who think.

There is a reason no country has ever attempted to go "back" to the Moon. Why not look into that.

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Centurion,

We didn't go back to the moon because it was no longer economically feasible to pursue space and keep the growing black population pacified (remember: it was after the passing of the '64 civil rights act the victory party occurred in places like Detroit....).

It's expensive pursue greatness.

It's more expensive to fund mediocrity.

We chose the latter.

never forget: in 1972, NASA became just another US Postal Service with EEOC demands turning it from a merit-based organization (white) into a breeding ground for terminal diversity.

CENTURION said...

Mr. Kersey:

Thank you for your reply to my comment.

I see at least 3 issues within your response:

1) Cost of trips to the Moon.

2) Cost of black people.

3) The original topic of whether we even went the first time.

Let's look at costs. With the technology we have today, it would most likely cost 1/5 the price. Just think of what off-the-shelf technology can do today. This computer I am typing on has perhaps 100 times the power and ability of whatever they used in 1969 and this thing weighs 5 pounds.

I imagine one could program into this lap-top every single line of code needed to run the entire flight and put it on a dongle as well.

Money? There are probably 10 nations which have a GDP exceeding ours of 1965. Russia, Japan, China, Korea, France, Italy, Germany, etc could repeat what we did.


Why doesn't the European space program go to the moon? If anybody plans to land on Mars, they would need to practice such steps on the moon, I would imagine.

Second topic of blacks: Funding them has nothing to do with whether or not we even went, and that was the issue of the post, I thought.

To me, we are not returning to the moon for the same reason no other country is going to the moon.....it just might not be feasible....which is what the deniers are saying about 1964 and 2014. The money is useless if you can't get their. Paying for black people is not a deterrent if you can't get there. Other nations not going just may mean they can't get their either.

This is a fascinating topic and there are numerous blogs that discuss it. My basic interest here is the general idea of all of us be willing to discuss the FACTS rather than insult each other.

Thank you for letting me comment on this blog....which is my #1 go to site.

Anonymous said...

Centurion, how do you know my thoughts on the subject? I too would love the real answers. I just refuse to listen to the writer of the "Laurel Canyon" series, which even he knows is an alternative history story. I prefer to read James Van Allen, who refutes the radiation problem. Also the 1971 final removal of the gold standard changed the worlds financial structure forever. Remember the "stagflation" of the 70's? This alone would take many European countries, and ours, out of the space race.

So yes, I do insult McGowan. Hahahahaha!!!




CENTURION said...

I do not know what you are thinking. I do know what you are feeling.

Ones actions are based on ones emotions which are based on ones feelings.

So what you write tells me what you are feeling.

Anonymous said...

I have been confused about why we don't go back to the moon. I read that it would be an ideal place to launch space vehicles due to its low gravity. Perhaps even a catapult could be used.
Also, why such glumness about the interval between moon and Mars landings? Hubble was launched; Mars robotic vehicles were launched, and the gains in nanotech and computer power means the "real" space age is just beginning.
The USA will regain its bearings when it becomes increasingly clear that unless we get serious the Chinese will bury us.

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't print my rebuttal to Centurion's silly syllogism.

Mr. Rational said...

FUN FACT - In the 40's the Germans managed to get a modified V2 with a camera mounted on it into space(low earth orbit at least) before the Russians put up Sputnik.

Not fact.  Falsehood.  The V-2 was a single-stage rocket burning ethanol and LOX, not even remotely capable of achieving orbital velocity; not even the WAC Corporal used as a second stage could manage that.  But a sub-orbital flight to the edge of space, no problem.

I want somebody who knows about this "radiation" belt to explain.

I don't claim to know about it, qua the detailed physics.  What I do know is that Apollo's passage through the Van Allen belts was fast enough that radiation exposure to the astronauts was minimal.  Flying at any given location in the belt, you get a certain number of rads per hour.  If you orbited in the middle of the belt proper for days, you'd be way over-exposed; eventually you would get sick and die.  But whizzing through at 25,000 MPH doesn't keep you there long enough to do squat.

Here is an official GSFC worksheet on Van Allen belt radiation exposure on Apollo missions.

any current mission to the Moon is still too dangerous for the astronauts due to RADIATION.

The link you provide is for a LONG-DURATION MOON BASE.  In other words, not at all relevant to a flags-and-footprints mission lasting barely a week.  Why are even so many Whites SOFA KING STEW PIT?

As an old fart space buff, I remember proposals for radiation protection for colonies flying in free space (exposed on all sides, not just from above).  One of them would have charged the habitat to a billion volts positive, to repel high-energy cosmic rays (mostly bare protons).  Dealing with the electrons of the solar wind would have required countermeasures.  All this complexity got too silly too fast.  The ultimate solution was to put a few meters of solid matter all around and forget the fancy stuff.

Finally, the recollections of people who were in their 40's in 1969 must be taken with a pound of salt.  Dementia, people.  Alzheimer's.  Only evidence can be trusted.

If we can be lied to about IQ and racial equality by our State, our Universities, our Media, our Churches, our Political parites, etc. then we can easily be lied to about grainy blurry pictures claiming we are walking on the moon.

Yes, but you can't lie that the most powerful computers in the world at the time ran at a clock speed of a few hundred kilohertz and had a few thousand words of magnetic core memory.  The video "The Mind's Eye", made in 1990, had some of the best of CGI animation made two-plus decades AFTER Apollo.  They are almost laughably simple by 2014 standards.  You cannot lie that to fake those grainy blurry pictures was impossible in 1969.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

Who, in their right mind, would believe that humans in a reinforced aluminum & mylar balloon could make it past both Van Allen belts? Only those that never heard of them or don't understand what it would take to pass through them, not once but twice."

So what dose does would a man get in traversing the Van Allen belts? Do you even know? No, you don't - because you are a credulous nitwit. Radiation exposure is a matter of dose and dose per unit time. The Apollo astronauts got about 1 rem over the course of about a week. They could have gotten about as much by staying on Earth and getting a CT-scan.

Just because YOU can't understand how something can be done doesn't mean it can't be done. I imagine that there are many things which YOU do not understand. Stupid people generally understand very little. YOU probably don't understand how a microwave oven works. Does that mean that there are no microwave ovens and never have been? Have we only been duped into believing that there are microwave ovens by a massive conspiracy?

Mr. Anon said...


One Pissed Off Irishman said...

FUN FACT - In the 40's the Germans managed to get a modified V2 with a camera mounted on it into space(low earth orbit at least) before the Russians put up Sputnik."

Just to clarify (and perhaps you already know this) No V-2 ever went into orbit. The flight you refer to was launched by the US army (with the help of the germans). and used one of the captured V-2s topped with a WAC-corporal upper-stage. It made it up several hundred miles - as high as a low-earth orbit, but it did not go into orbit.

Mr. Anon said...

"Whiskey said...

If Kubric had directed a fake it would have been more entertaining and arty with lots of cut takes."

Also, we would have seen many more close-ups of Neil Armstrong staring at the camera with a crazed, psychotic look on his face.

Mr. Anon said...

"CENTURION said...

Let's look at costs. With the technology we have today, it would most likely cost 1/5 the price. Just think of what off-the-shelf technology can do today. This computer I am typing on has perhaps 100 times the power and ability of whatever they used in 1969 and this thing weighs 5 pounds."

It has nothing to do with computers. Computers don't carry you to the moon. Rockets do. And rocket technology has made only marginal improvements since the 1970s. There is almost nothing in rocketry that people can do today, that they could not also do by the end of the 1960s.

Mr. Anon said...

"CENTURION said...

Why doesn't the European space program go to the moon? If anybody plans to land on Mars, they would need to practice such steps on the moon, I would imagine."

Because there is no point in being the second in performing a stunt. Why don't they launch an expedition to be the first to reach the summit of Everest? The EU has no plans to go to Mars (nor really, does the US - not serious ones, anyway).

For that matter, why doesn't the EU attempt to put a man into orbit? They don't even have a capsule or a man-rated rocket (the "man-rating" distinction being somewhat arbitrary, but none-the-less)? Are you claiming that it's too hard for people to go into Earth orbit? That nobody has ever done that? Glen, Gagarin, Skylab, the ISS - is that all a big hoax too?

Mr. Anon said...

"D-FENS said...

Some of the Earth orbital Gemini flights went high enough to graze the lower reaches of the Van Allen Belts. Their dosimeters noted the increase."

Some of the Mir and ISS astronauts have gotten far greater doses during their time in LEO than the Apollo astronauts ever did traversing the Van Allen belts. I wonder if the Moon-hoax-huxters consider that to be evidence that we have never really had any space-stations, either?

By the way, thanks for your thoughtful posts on the subject. It is a welcome relief from the knee-jerk conspiracist nitwittery that has been on display in this thread.

D-FENS said...

Actually, the biggest problems for long duration spaceflight are the effects of weightlessness and perhaps the biggest problem is psychological.

Nuclear propulsion and artificial gravity are going to be essential. Arthur C. Clark's spacecraft from 2001, Discovery, had both.

D-FENS said...

The HBO series "From the Earth to the Moon" used state of the art video effects from the late 1990's. The moonwalk scenes of the lunar astronauts were filmed in a large WW2-era blimp hangar in Tustin, CA. Helium filled weather balloons were attached to the actors to simulate lunar gravity. However, whenever they kicked dirt around, it was obviously in Earth's 1 g gravity.

This effect can also be seen in the movie "Apollo 13" where there is a scene of an astronaut's first steps on the moon and the dirt is obviously settling to quickly.

The Saturn V booster obviously worked. That was probably the hardest piece of hardware to develop (next to the LM). The lunar module was tested in Earth orbit. Why develop such hardware and not use it?