Tuesday, April 5, 2011

Thomas Sowell vs. Norway: Why Failed Liberal Policies in the United States work in Scandinavia

Failed liberal polices in the US work in Norway. Why is that Mr. Sowell?
Reading a recent Thomas Sowell column bemoaning liberalism, the nanny-state mentality, and the welfare-state in the United States for some reason jogged our memory of a piece published in Inc. magazine. That latter article discussed how socialism works in the Scandinavian nation of Norway, a country that has some of the highest rates of entrepreneurship in the world. Sowell's article discussed how Black people are now fleeing cities and states that their ancestors once fled to during "the great migration" of the early 20th century.

Sowell wrote this:
The latest published data from the 2010 census show how people are moving from place to place within the United States. In general, people are voting with their feet against places where the liberal, welfare-state policies favored by the intelligentsia are most deeply entrenched.

When you break it down by race and ethnicity, it is all too painfully clear what is happening. Both whites and blacks are leaving California, the poster state for the liberal, welfare-state and nanny-state philosophy.
Whites are also fleeing the big northeastern liberal, welfare states like Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, as well as the same kinds of states in the midwest, such as Michigan, Ohio and Illinois.

In more recent decades, blacks have been moving back to the South, however. While the overall black population of the northeastern and midwestern states has not declined in the past ten years, except in Michigan and Illinois, the net increase of the black population nationwide has increasingly been in the South. About half of the national growth of the black population took place in the South in the 1970s, two-thirds in the 1990s and three-quarters in the past 10 years.

While the mass migrations of blacks out of the South in the early 20th century was to places where there were already established black communities, such as New York, Chicago and Philadelphia, much of the current movement of blacks is away from existing concentrations of black populations.

Blacks are moving to suburbs, and even to cities like Minneapolis. Overall, the racial residential segregation patterns are declining in the great majority of the largest major metropolitan areas.
 Are we the only people who caught that slippage of truth? White people with the monetary means are fleeing cities and states that have created vast nanny-states and welfare-states to take care of Black populations that fled the South. Those policies -- enacted by liberals -- are forcing whites to leave, because the costs associated with taking care of a Black population disproportionately reliant on the state have become too great to defend.

Sowell then went on to lament the fate of Detroit:
Detroit is perhaps the most striking example of a once thriving city ruined by years of liberal social policies. Before the ghetto riot of 1967, Detroit's black population had the highest rate of home-ownership of any black urban population in the country, and their unemployment rate was just 3.4 percent.

It was not despair that fueled the riot. It was the riot which marked the beginning of the decline of Detroit to its current state of despair. Detroit's population today is only half of what it once was, and its most productive people have been the ones who fled.

Treating businesses and affluent people as prey, rather than assets, often pays off politically in the short run-- and elections are held in the short run. Killing the goose that lays the golden egg is a viable political strategy.

As whites were the first to start leaving Detroit, its then mayor Coleman Young saw this only as an exodus of people who were likely to vote against him, enhancing his re-election prospects.

But what was good for Mayor Young was disastrous for Detroit.

There is a lesson here somewhere, but it is very doubtful if either the intelligentsia or the politicians will learn it.
Detroit didn't collapse because of liberal policies. Vermont (with a Black population of .5 percent) is an incredibly liberal state with a generous welfare and nanny-state, and unlike Detroit, it isn't on the verge of completely failure (this New York Times article on how the city of Detroit is abandoning blighted neighborhoods is incredible). Detroit collapsed because white flight transferred ownership of the city (meaning control of the government, city council, school board, police, etc.) over to Black people.

If liberal policies, as Sowell contests, are the reasons behind the monumental collapse of Detroit, then what is the reason for Norway's success. Why do entrepreneurs there have an easier time starting up businesses in a land with much higher taxation then in the United States? The liberal policies enacted in Norway benefit that homogeneous population, whereas the liberal policies passed in Detroit (and in Oakland, which was recently profiled in Townhall magazine -- April 2011 issue, page 42 -- as yet another city where liberal ideas doomed that city and not its majority population) seem to bring about only ruin.

Why is that? The Inc. article reports:
Norway, population five million, is a very small, very rich country. It is a cold country and, for half the year, a dark country. (The sun sets in late November in Mo i Rana. It doesn't rise again until the end of January.) This is a place where entire cities smell of drying fish—an odor not unlike the smell of rotting fish—and where, in the most remote parts, one must be careful to avoid polar bears. The food isn't great.
Bear strikes, darkness, and whale meat notwithstanding, Norway is also an exceedingly pleasant place to make a home. It ranked third in Gallup's latest global happiness survey. The unemployment rate, just 3.5 percent, is the lowest in Europe and one of the lowest in the world. Thanks to a generous social welfare system, poverty is almost nonexistent.

Norway is also full of entrepreneurs like Wiggo Dalmo. Rates of start-up creation here are among the highest in the developed world, and Norway has more entrepreneurs per capita than the United States, according to the latest report by the Global Entrepreneurship Monitor, a Boston-based research consortium. A 2010 study released by the U.S. Small Business Administration reported a similar result: Although America remains near the top of the world in terms of entrepreneurial aspirations -- that is, the percentage of people who want to start new things—in terms of actual start-up activity, our country has fallen behind not just Norway but also Canada, Denmark, and Switzerland.

Yes, people do start companies in the United States and comparing a diverse nation of 312 ( not counting illegal immigrants ) million people to a tiny, all-white nation of 5 million people isn't exactly fair. But it is intriguing to juxtapose the two articles, and realize the truths that are so obviously inescapable.

A good friend told us over dinner recently that a nation can have a Black population or it can have a space program. The costs of both, however, no honest accountant can sign off on.

The United States is scrapping its space program for a reason; it does have something to do with the fact that NASA can't find a Black engineer, but more to do with the rising costs of caring for a population of 36 million that disproportionately receive Federal aid to exist and subsist.

Prince George's County in Maryland is considered to be the greatest place for upper-class Black people in the nation. Largely a creation of the out-of-control Federal government growth in Washington D.C., that county boasts an artificially-created Black middle-class. It is also home to Black people who are being displaced from Washington D.C. in that cities conversion to a white majority, which is having the unintended consequence of exploding the crime rate there.

Starting a small business in the United States is still a great idea, but eventually you must adhere to an incredible gauntlet of labor laws and be compliant with the EEOC. That is a problem the Norwegians no longer face. The costs of doing business in a diverse United States city (such as Detroit) are exponentially higher then in Norway's worst city.

Sowell also pointed out that the Black population is exploding in Minneapolis. Situated in a state renowned for its liberal policies and generous welfare, one particular group of people took advantage of this benevolence without any shame:
Minnesota long has waved a welcome mat for war refugees -- first Koreans, then Hmong, Vietnamese and Ethiopians. Minneapolis provided subsidized housing and generous benefits. The newcomers found low-wage jobs at chicken-processing factories where English was not required.

The first wave of Somalis arrived here after 1991, when the country descended into a fierce clan-based civil war that still rages. More Somalis came each year, and family members soon followed, as was mandated under U.S. law. Others moved here from other U.S. cities.

Many in the community started families, opened businesses and achieved financial stability. They wired money to relatives back home, followed Somali news in ethnic papers and websites, and in some cases invested in Somali businesses even as their children became American doctors and lawyers.

Others became mired in brutal poverty. Many of the women were illiterate, and old men who had herded goats struggled in the rugged winters. Unemployment and school dropout rates soared. So did incidents of intolerance.

"We're an obvious minority here, and have a different religion and culture," said Abdiaziz Warsame, 37, an interpreter and youth counselor who has worked with local gangs such as the Somali Hard Boys and RPG's. "So people feel a high level of racism."

A 2007 tally counted 35,000 Somalis in Minnesota, the vast majority of whom live in Little Mogadishu, the gritty Minneapolis zone between two highways and the Mississippi River.
A city; a state; a nation is but a reflection of its citizens. Detroit once thrived when it was a majority white city. under majority Black-rule it is the laughing-stock of the world. Liberal policies seem to be working fine in Vermont; strangely they fail -- and conservatives point this out with glee -- when Black people are in charge, as this is an easy way to blame Black failure on liberalism.

Strange that Norway can succeed and prosper under the same conditions.  Vermont too. But a sizable Black population that relies on that same nanny-state and welfare system is a lethal combination.

A nation can have a space program or a Black population, but it can't have both. The costs to the state requires far too much capital, so one must go. The United States axed the former.

A better metaphor for 21st century America cannot be found. Sowell can blame liberal policies for wrecking Northeastern states and cities, but he shows in his column that "the great migration" by Blacks from the South to these places might have put too much stress on the nanny-state and welfare-state in these areas.

Norway, meanwhile, has high rates of taxation, high rates of employment and high rates of success.

This article is not an endorsement of socialism by any means. However, it is an endorsement of this question: Would you rather live in socialist Norway or Black-run Detroit (a city that Black people run away from and proud Black families still try and defend)?











75 comments:

Dissident said...

To answer your question: I'll take Norway.

This is a very interesting article, you've really nailed it down tight with this piece SBPDL. Isn't it interesting to see how a homogeneous society of technologically savvy people can advance, even under the heavy burden of high taxation?

I've been fascinated by the Scandinavian countries for some time. I've always admired them and I've even been, somewhat envious of their seemingly model societies.

Although I fear for them as well; it seems that their countries aren't immune to the invasion of Islam and multi-culturalism either. I remember seeing a video on YT recently of a couple of Swedes that were beaten by a mob of black African immigrants. The Africans-as typical-filmed the carnage, all the while gleefully laughing, while committing their atrocities.

When are whites going to say enough is enough?

Have we as a race been so emasculated, that we're just going to allow our own demise?

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Anonymous said...

Another great article. You NAILED it

Anonymous said...

Kudos to Thomas Sowell who has often courageously confronted racial issues in his writing over the decades, but wise of you - SBPDL - to call him when his arguments don't fly. Steve Sailer also called him to task when his hypotheses in Black Rednecks and White Liberals" didn't quite pass the smell test, at least in its essay that references the title: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/04/thomas-sowell-on-black-rednecks-and.html

Here's my question to black people - Here's a list of majority black municipalities in the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._communities_with_African_American_majority_populations

Do any of these have a crime rate that's lower than the national average?

Do any have a public high school with an average SAT score above the national average?

In absolute numbers, there are hundreds of thousands - probably millions - of decent black folks I wouldn't mind befriending or living next to. However, in aggregate, I've yet to see any large concentration of African Americans cultivating a safe community with good schools. Dr. Sowell insists there were such communities when he grew up, but I'm close to 30 - not 80 - so I haven't seen with my own eyes.

Anonymous said...

Every area that welcomes negroes with opening arms will get what's coming to them. This includes my private high school that had 0 blacks in '06 when I graduated (in retrospect it was a paradise, but that was before I could see). Every year since then they have done outreaching and more and more blacks get in. It's still obviously predominately White, but from what I hear things keep going down hill. I can only hope that eventually they'll put 2 and 2 together before it's too late.

Anonymous said...

SBPDL, I'm glad you recognized the difference between the size and population of the United States and Norway. Environmentally, Norway is one of the most crappy geographies on Earth. The United States, on the other hand, is one of the most geographically blessed, which is why every 2nd and 3rd worlder is clawing to get in.

Those of us who weren't born black are going to have to get used to the idea that the weeds have taken over this garden. If ideas could catch the AIDS, then there would be Negro genetics in the neurons. We simply can't live among them if we can help it.

Thankfully, we weren't born black. And I know, I know ... I'm a defeatist. But my vote is we humans establish a hostile territory, terraform it (or whatever) and leave the negro genes behind. There isn't anything we've created that we can't replicate.

The Engineer

Professor Snape said...

I think you touched upon it in a nutshell: a country of 312 million + people versus a country of 5 million people is a long way from a fair comparison. If Norway had a larger population - and let's just say these additional people came from other European countries, such as impoverished Romania, Albania, etc. - it would have more problems.

You are correct: socialism does NOT lead to societal breakdown. Sowell should know that if he only has capitalism to blame for "nanny-states"; the very nature of capitalism creates a disadvantaged underclass. Couple this with racism, and you have the perfect storm to lead to what you and he believes to be this United States Nightmare.

These are things, too, that Norway - that small nation - was able to avoid.

I should add, though, I don't believe socialism and the like can be thrust upon a country such as the US without detrimental ramifications. It is simply not a good idea; socialism was the "easing in" stage between capitalism and communism, but there'd have to be another stage for everything not to collapse in the US. If this is how Sowell is looking at, then his viewpoint is understandable. America is a capitalist nation, staunchly so, and it's problems are caused by this, not to mention political theories are rarely ever successfully applied to reality.

I think what you fail to understand is that black culture in the United States is a product of the United States. I've mentioned before that blacks are separated from their African cultures; any behavior you see in American blacks is American made, not of African origin; they just have the same colored skins. It is the product of multi-generational poverty and disadvantage, which was catalyzed by institutional racism.

If someone can point to how this is incorrect, by all means, have at. Even Africans are not displaying traditional African culture! The despots, the warlords? Products of Western ideas of governance, usually bastardizations of Communism (which has never been realized as Marx designed it).

I am perplexed as to why you've yet to make these connections between America and the culture of its black citizens, blog owner. The black culture to which you deride is not something created in a vacuum, and it is not a hold over from African ideologies; those have long since disappeared from the minds of American blacks.

Again, I say to you: America created its own "problem"; America created its blacks. How come you do not see it?

Anonymous said...

SBPDL,

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Humans only ... lots of teachers, mechanics, farmers, fisherman, carpenters ... 10,000 familes should do it. My wife and I haven't talked about it yet, but we're on board. I'm an engineer so I can pretend like I know everything and drink all the coffee.

The Engineer

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Snape writes:"I am perplexed as to why you've yet to make these connections between America and the culture of its black citizens, blog owner. The black culture to which you deride is not something created in a vacuum, and it is not a hold over from African ideologies; those have long since disappeared from the minds of American blacks.

Again, I say to you: America created its own "problem"; America created its blacks. How come you do not see it?"

Because the Black populations that have moved into formerly all-white England, Ireland and France all have many of the problems (sometimes worse) then what we see in the United States.

Or we could just look at Haiti, a nation that has a Constitution dictating a highly capitalistic nation. Not working out too well for that nation though.

Or we could look to the former nations of Rhodesia and South Africa.

Black culture is a product of Black people; just as Asian culture is a product of Asians.

If you had a city of 100,000 Asians, they would create something that 100,000 people of African ancestry would not produce. A civilization (or culture) mirrors its creating race.

Anonymous said...

"I think what you fail to understand is that black culture in the United States is a product of the United States."

Snape, even an indoctrination-victim like you should know that black violence, black illegitimacy, and black immorality are universal. They exist everywhere that black people exist.

Remember...you have a greater likelihood of convincing us (Those Who Can See) that the sun does not rise in the east.

Don't forget.

Anonymous said...

Certainly it's true that Black Americans (who aren't recent immigrants) have a unique culture that in many respects is completely alien from that of their African ancestors, but so what? Many white Americans who are generations removed from their European ancestors have a culture that is also uniquely American. Since blacks came as slaves, they have a handy alibi for the pathologies and underachievement seen in their population today.

That doesn't explain why the children of black middle and upper class do poorly on standardized tests. That doesn't explain why blacks can't seem to pool capital in their own communities and cultivate more meaningful entrepreneurial ventures. That doesn't explain the illegitimacy, wasting money on rims, the littering, the ridiculous violence etc. That doesn't explain a lot of things. Slavery and subsequent discrimination must cease to be an excuse at some point. Cosby was right when he said black Americans weren't living up to their end of the bargain (so to speak). Black music and athletes garnered much goodwill for Black America in the mid to late 20th century, but Black America has squandered this goodwill.

Now that the country is truly broke and the demographics are shifting towards newcomers that don't harbor historical guilt-by-association like all whites must, things will only get worse for Black Americans. Now would be the time to start taking school seriously.

Professor Snape said...

SBPDL:
Because the Black populations that have moved into formerly all-white England, Ireland and France all have many of the problems (sometimes worse) then what we see in the United States.

But where are these blacks coming from? Are they emigrating from countries that were isolated from Western colonialism and its expected end-products (privation of colonized peoples, disadvantage for colonized peoples)?

I think not.

Or we could look to the former nations of Rhodesia and South Africa.

These are examples of countries, once again, that were touched by Westerners. Have you forgotten Apartheid for the latter? Have you forgotten the "Shanty Towns"? Have you forgotten the "icing out" of blacks from opportunities in that nation?

So-called "terrible" black culture - American and, to an extent, modern day African - is the result of Western contact and Western belief systems. For American black culture, it is uniquely American.

A civilization (or culture) mirrors its creating race.

It does not mirror its "creating race". That's ridiculous. It mirrors, first and foremost, its environment. If you lived in the rain forest, you will have no need for agriculture, but hunting and gathering; if you lived in a cold climate, such as Russia or Sweden, I imagine you'd be one hell of a drinker (and they are). American black culture is a reflection of America's former hostility to blacks, which led to privation and disadvantage.

They are acting in accordance to what they know. I've avoided this as much as I could in my previous comments but whites created American blacks! Whites created modern-day Africans.

Africans slaughter each other over rocks that are only valuable to Westerners. They war for control of governments that have ties with Western nations.

My God, man, why don't you put two and two together?

Anonymous said...

"So-called "terrible" black culture - American and, to an extent, modern day African - is the result of Western contact and Western belief systems. For American black culture, it is uniquely American."

Snape, you're repeating yourself. Please be advised this technique will prove to be highly ineffective.

Remember...you have a greater likelihood of convincing us (Those Who Can See) that the sun does not rise in the east.

Don't forget.

Anonymous said...

"My God, man, why don't you put two and two together?"

Okay. Let's do it.

If we add 2 negro males with 2 negro females, the likely result is two high school dropouts, 2 active violent criminals, 3 unemployed, 4 white-hating racists, 1 AIDS carrier, 2 drug users...

And a shitload of illegitimate children/future felons.

Professor Snape said...

Anonymous 6:47PM said:
Snape, even an indoctrination-victim like you should know that black violence, black illegitimacy, and black immorality are universal. They exist everywhere that black people exist.

Illegitimacy is relative, all things considered. It's existed since the Dawn of Man. Immorality, too, is relative. Violence is in man's nature. But to the point, blacks the world over are not untouched by Western colonialism.

To deviate back to illegitimacy, John Howard Griffin in his still relevant book "Black Like Me", made a great point about black male sexuality, and its seeming "hyper-masculinity": he stated that black men, having been emasculated in every other sector of their lives, found their masculinity in sexuality. He said "Sensuality was an escape, proof of manhood for a people who could prove it no other way." Brilliant.

Anonymous 6:50PM said:
Certainly it's true that Black Americans (who aren't recent immigrants) have a unique culture that in many respects is completely alien from that of their African ancestors, but so what? Many white Americans who are generations removed from their European ancestors have a culture that is also uniquely American.

It is not "so what". It is a relevant point. White Americans are removed from their ancestors cultures, this is true, but, to use your phrase, "So what?"

Whites, of all ethnicities, maybe to a lesser extent, the Jews, have benefitted from their white skins in this society. The "Irish Need Not Apply" was but a blip in American history compared to the de facto social hierarchies that unanimously kept blacks at the bottom. There was no widespread upward mobility until the 1960s for blacks; even then, this "upward mobility" was more difficult than for others.

Before you say anything, Affirmative action is small potatoes. It's a cheap band-aid over a gushing wound.

You cannot expect to be taken seriously with an argument whose foundation is "whites, too, are removed from..." etc., etc. That's just a dishonest comparison.

Since blacks came as slaves, they have a handy alibi for the pathologies and underachievement seen in their population today.

And that alibi was furnished by the United States. The Kerner Commission report, done under LBJ, states:
"What white Americans have never fully understood - but what the Negro can never forget - is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto.... White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it.

Absolutely true. The sooner we realize this - and take completely selfless steps to rectify it - the better off America will be.

Anonymous 7:36PM said:
Remember...you have a greater likelihood of convincing us (Those Who Can See) that the sun does not rise in the east.

Don't forget.


My hope is that my words will be seeds of knowledge planted in your heads, and will one day be watered and you will change your mind about people in general. This is a slow process, as was yours to racism (or white nationalism, whatever you prefer).

Anonymous said...

"My God, man, why don't you put two and two together?"

I dunno...why do you keep saying it's 5?

Anonymous said...

"So-called 'terrible' black culture - American and, to an extent, modern day African - is the result of Western contact and Western belief systems. For American black culture, it is uniquely American."

It's amazing how simple-minded this supposedly sophisticated analysis is.

RobertB said...

""We're an obvious minority here, and have a different religion and culture," said Abdiaziz Warsame, 37, an interpreter and youth counselor who has worked with local gangs such as the Somali Hard Boys and RPG's. "So people feel a high level of racism.""

Yes--we don't want them here--even my liberal Democrat friends don't want them here. Catholic Charities, Lutheran Social Services and Jewish Community Services are the entities that force them on us. In one year (2006), according to the Mpls. Tribune, Somalis were responsible for 2000+ muggings--68% of the victims were white--a lot of college students, since "Little Mogadishu" is on the West bank of the univ. Of Minnesota.

Minnesota was once the highest IQ (Nordic peoples) state in the country--105 average. We had a generous welfare system because whites were ashamed to use it. But blacks aren't. They like it. What is truly funny, though, is in the Winter, you hardly see them. And as the Winters get longer and colder (as they were in thew 70's and 80's) they get increasingly more depressed. They literally end up in hospitals suffering from fear and suicidal ideations.

Ahh yes--then they shoot each other. White on white murder is pretty rare here--usually two drunks sort of thing, but the blacks just kill each other left and right. Luckily, even in the city, they are segregated.

No immigrant should ever get welfare---the Dems changed that under Clinton--before it was grounds for deportation.

BTW, everyone, ignore snapes--he's too stupid to even realize that the centerpiece of his argument "correlation does not equal causation" to buttress his argument that poverty and racism are why blacks behave the way they do works against him more so then the hypothesis that low IQ creates poverty and excessively high testosterone levels create violent criminals. Actually, it's considered fact, not an hypothesis.

Anonymous said...

Great post SBPDL!

Black culture is a product of Black people

This.

Race exist. Race matters. While culture and race are not 100% the same they are far from mutually exclusive. Culture does not just pop up out of the ground. It is time to put the convoluted Marxist meme of "it is culture not race" to bed.

Anonymous said...

"BTW, everyone, ignore snapes--he's too stupid to even realize that the centerpiece of his argument 'correlation does not equal causation' to buttress his argument that poverty and racism are why blacks behave the way they do works against him more so then the hypothesis that low IQ creates poverty and excessively high testosterone levels create violent criminals. Actually, it's considered fact, not an hypothesis."

Well, yeah. It's funny that the people making these arguments think that genetic causation is somehow unsophisticated when they themselves locate the "first cause" of all evil in whites and western civilization. The great chain of sociological causation used to rationalize contemporary dysfunction stops dead at whites, who are the uncaused fount of all evil. Their actions alone have no additional "cause" -- they are the primordial and pure source of malevolence.

In their own minds, this is some sort of insightful analysis. But in actuality, it's a rationalization for violence -- the Id finding the means not just to release itself, but to celebrate itself as perversely moral. Once again, these guys bring no insight to their owns behaviors -- and that's the whole idea. They don't have to look at themselves, because everything they want is instantly justified.

Anonymous said...

It does not mirror its "creating race". That's ridiculous. It mirrors, first and foremost, its environment. If you lived in the rain forest, you will have no need for agriculture, but hunting and gathering; if you lived in a cold climate, such as Russia or Sweden, I imagine you'd be one hell of a drinker (and they are). American black culture is a reflection of America's former hostility to blacks, which led to privation and disadvantage.

Snape...German emigrants to South America,Czarist Russia,and the United States were remarkably successful in maintaining their culture (which I'll cheerfully grant they already had) in environments that were very different from Mitteleuorop. They didn't change themselves-they changed the crops they grew and their planting and harvesting times. But their language and cultural institutions stayed the same,to a very large extent. Care to have a go at explaining why there were able to do that?

Anonymous said...

"any behavior you see in American blacks is American made, not of African origin; they just have the same colored skins. It is the product of multi-generational poverty and disadvantage, which was catalyzed by institutional racism."

I think this causation is backwards. Institutional racism didn't cause the poverty and disadvantage, rather the lower average intelligence of blacks as a group caused the poverty, disadvantage, and the racism (whites basically said, "hmmm...these folks don't seem to be as bright as we are, in general").

That being said, we have to acknowledge that there have been many blacks that have made invaluable contributions to American culture. After all, 1 in 6 blacks are smarter than the average white person and 3 in 6 blacks are smarter than 1 in 6 whites (assuming a normal distribution of IQ). Duke Ellington. Genius. Louis Armstrong. Genius. Clifford Brown. Genius. Erroll Garner. Genius. The Nicholas Brothers. Geniuses. The first rappers and breakdancers. Geniuses. Scott Joplin. Genius. Jelly Roll Morton. Genius. Ice Cube. Genius. And that's not to mention black intellectuals post-slavery. Blacks have an artistic creative ability that needs to be recognized and admired. Black kids in the projects are not dressing and acting like white kids in the suburbs, but white kids in the suburbs are dressing and acting like black kids in the projects (e.g., I'm a white guy with a Ph.D. in a hard science from a top 3 Ivy League institution and I can recite pretty much all of Ice Cube's raps pre-1994). There's some panache and flair in blacks that is routinely embraced by white popular culture.

Granted, along with the good, there's the bad--crime, dysfunction, dysgenesis, etc. But instead of villifying all blacks, we should be trying to encourage talented, smart, accomplished blacks to procreate while dissuading ghetto mothers from procreating (by eliminating welfare/medicaid/section 8 housing entirely). Maybe in a few generations, the IQ gap will close by 3-5 points and if we continue it into the future, perhaps eventually black dysfunction will disappear.

Anonymous said...

If Norway didnt have oil money to throw around it would be forced to be a far more capitalistic country.

The conservative party recently won the election in Sweden. On a ticket of less immigration less welfare and rewarding people who work. This is after 50 years of pretty much uninterrupted social democrat hegemony. The Swedish "liberal" party, which is painted as a far right party also scored a significant share of the vote.

If Social democracy works why would Swedish voters want to deviate from it?

Anonymous said...

Snape

"These are examples of countries, once again, that were touched by Westerners. Have you forgotten Apartheid for the latter? Have you forgotten the "Shanty Towns"? Have you forgotten the "icing out" of blacks from opportunities in that nation?"

And for how much longer are we going to use the excuse of colonialism for Black Africans? Yeah they were colonized, or to put it more simply, subdued by conquest (force), which was morally wrong. Nations, races, peoples etc. have had wrong done to them (yes, some more than others) throughout history, and plenty have recovered, or gone on to have something to show for their existence.
So by your logic any person who is descended from a race/nation that was once mistreated, conquered, had large numbers of people killed etc. has an endless amount of excuses for their current behavior? Spare us.

Left Coast Dude

Anonymous said...

The US had a fine space program when it was black and white. The decline and fall of it, and everything else, was multiculturalism.

Black Americans are already a distinct population. The African connection is weak and weakening, no matter what Alex Haley says.

Midwestern said...

Whitey On The Moon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY

from YouTube: "A humorous little poem by the great Gil Scott-Heron. Lets see if president Obama will reorganize and re-prioritize the spending of taxpayers dollars. Will food, Shelter and Other social issues take precedence over the military industrial complex and Moon Rocks."

Midwestern said...

"And that's the situation in America today. Not just manipulation of the system, but contempt for the majority population funding it. "

And here it is in a nutshell. Blacks hustle, shake-down, and manipulate guilty whites for the financial payoff, and then work to invade and kill us.

We are feeding a population of people who actively work to eliminate us. This is complete insanity.

Liberalism is a disease. Don't feed the blacks.

Dissident said...

Snape.

There's no hope for you is there?

"Western culture" and "western belief systems"?

As opposed to tribalism, superstitious nonsense like raping babies as a cure for AIDS, untold brutality against blacks and white farmers of South Africa, etc.

You're hopeless man. You can't see the forest for the trees!

You refuse to admit what's so obvious to many, and that's black pathology is detrimental to black progress. You seem to blame this on "Colonialism", western influence, and the like. I think there is a little truth to that, but ultimately blacks are responsible for their own behavior and that's just not acceptable to most blacks.

They've been inculcated by the white liberal to think that everything that they do is somehow not their fault. Blacks have taken the bait, hook, line, and sinker!

Whenever I see whites behaving like idiots, I say so! Is it to much to ask for blacks to do the same?

Midwestern said...

"That being said, we have to acknowledge that there have been many blacks that have made invaluable contributions to American culture"

"Riots ain't nothing but diets for the system. Fighting with the Beast, 'no justice, no peace'. . . Niggas are sick of your white man tricks, with no treating us right. Now it's on, on sight. . . . Farrakhan for president of white America. . . . Put my chrome* to your dome*, watch it bust like a cantaloupe. . . . So who's Ice Cube? I'm a rapper, actor, macker. Got a little problem with the redneck cracker."

Yes, and you forget one very important thing, Ivy League. Black people, including your black "genius" pet and hero, Ice Cube, hate white people and wish for our demise. Ask around, listen, they will tell you.

Why would you want to promote another race which works daily to eliminate your race?? Are you insane? Why must whites "manage" the blacks? Why not just leave them alone, and stop funding their plans to eliminate us? See how long they last once whitey cracker let's go.

Wake up man! You are more that what you have become.

Anonymous said...

Printed on pamphlets inserted into The Predator CD's:

"Ice Cube wishes to acknowledge white America's continued commitment to the silence and oppression of black men. . . . White America needs to thank black people for still talkin' to them 'cause you know what happens when we stop."

Midwestern said...

"Absolutely true. The sooner we realize this - and take completely selfless steps to rectify it - the better off America will be."

Selfless.....meaning the end of YOUR life by a black man with a gun? The end of white culture? Are you on a suicide mission to save the blacks? Are you willing to go down for the black man? Once you make things all better for them, then what? Will they crown you king of the blacks?

How do you suggest that we first "realize" this and next "rectify" this situation Snape? I would LOOVE to hear your plan.

Midwestern said...

"...perhaps eventually black dysfunction will disappear."

And yes, once again, the morally superior white man knows what is best for the black man.

How much is this plan going to cost the rest of us? Tell me more.

North West European said...

The question itself is easy, Norway of course, but if Detroit had a functional capitalist system, I'd rather live there. The problem is that in Detroit there seems to be NO system right now, just chaos, or Africa. Any place would be better than that.

Scandinavia cannot afford to keep their welfare states, nor can the US or any of the European states. Scandinavian culture may disappear entirely because it is so soft and meek, and we're being flooded with immigrants from the third world. Norway has a lot of oil wealth and can afford to keep the immigrants happy and on the dole, but they're still making a lot of concessions on how they act publicly. Any criticism of islam is shouted down, often with threats, and don't even think about saying anything about the holy prophet Mohammed, never mind drawing him. There is also what the media calls a "rape epidemic", which seems to be a yearly event from spring all through summer, and now they're debating the very interesting subject of "why men rape" -- *facepalm*

Scandinavia is going to hell in a hand basket faster than you can spell it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-lXixUiJM

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/03/its-hard-to-be-norwegian-in-groruddalen.html

Norwegians, however are waking up, Swedes sadly are not. And this is where socialism gets dangerous. Not waking up means anarchy and total destruction, waking up means national socialism, but there is a third way, capitalism. Capitalism means a system of laws designed to protect individual rights only, no welfare, no public education, no handouts, just military, police and the justice system. Under capitalism criminals are punished properly, and crime drops to zero. Capitalism sets the individual free and that's what's so great about it, no group can keep an individual down, you would think that capable blacks would jump on this first chance they got.

Under capitalism criminals would be removed, welfare would be private and everybody but the parasites will be happy. In this post SBPDL sets capitalism up against socialism in a homogeneous society, but capitalism is still far superior. Socialism has a far more insidious side to it than just parasitism, it changes the way people think about life. After a couple of generations of socialism, a lot of people stop respecting other people and property, demand more and more, and end up as unhappy welfare drones without a purpose in life. Too many of these, and the country goes broke, it's just a matter of time. This is happening everywhere right now, and third world immigration just speeds things up.

If a capitalist system was in place in Detroit, blacks would be much better off. Of course, the criminals would be locked up or deported, and bellyaching socialists can't stand this, they go nuts when criminals are punished properly, but the black community would be much better off. Socialism gets explosive when race and cultural differences are mixed in, and that is why I fear for the future of Europe.

Welfare should of course be private, that way everybody gets to spend their money as they please, instead of a democratic system where the bigger groups get all the cash. Yes, the question is really capitalism vs democracy, and we should choose capitalism. Democracy invites everybody to vote on how YOU should live, and makes laws that discriminate on the basis of skin color, like affirmative action and other such atrocious laws. Capitalism solves the race issue beautifully, no group can use the state to get ahead, and everybody is free from crime. THAT'S where I wanna live.

Midwestern said...

Dear Snape, Black people don't want jobs, education, fairness in housing, healing for their "gaping wounds", equal opportunity, to live with whites, inclusion, opportunity, white friends.....

Blacks want power, revenge, bling, and their boot on your red neck. Nothing else. Don't fool with Mother Nature:

"Stripped of all pretence, what they do is make whites say to blacks, "Our people have been very, very, very bad to your people, and we will never forget it. Please forgive us." And they make whites say it publicly, officially, formally, in the name of an entire state.

This is an expression of naked racial power. It makes it blindingly clear who are the moral creditors and who are the debtors. Blacks don’t want “healing"; they want the moral whip hand.

They will never, ever put slavery behind them so long as they can make whites feel bad about it.

They want every policy, every conversation, and even every thought about race in America to start and end with white guilt and innocent black suffering. They will milk white contrition for as much and for as long as whites let them." - Steve Sailer

http://www.vdare.com/taylor/070508_slavery.htm

Anonymous said...

"He said "Sensuality was an escape, proof of manhood for a people who could prove it no other way." Brilliant."
Irresponsibly pursuing sexual urges and fathering multiple out-of-wedlock children does not prove "manhood", and is not "brilliant".

Even an indoctrination-victim like you can't possibly believe that anyone here finds such nonsense persuasive.

"My hope is that my words will be seeds of knowledge planted in your heads"

LOLOL Snape, you're not listening. Your words are not "seeds". Your words are manure. You represent an orthodoxy that we all rejected and left behind years ago. You represent a belief in Santa Claus.

Remember...you have a greater likelihood of convincing us (Those Who Can See) that the sun does not rise in the east.

Don't forget.

White Guy said...

"Maybe in a few generations, the IQ gap will close by 3-5 points and if we continue it into the future, perhaps eventually black dysfunction will disappear."

For a Ph.D, you reek of a sophomoric naiveté - it's too bad that top-three Ivy left you with no sense of reality, as it exists.

Maybe you're just one of Desiree's/Snape's sock puppets ...

If I can find the time today, I'd like to set you straight - but if you are her (Desiree), or, one of her exponents(Snape), then the truth, i.e., reality, would undoubtedly escape you, just like it has so many times before ...

Anonymous said...

"Ice Cube" is a genius? I'll leave that one alone...

Snape is an idiot. Black behavior is the White mans fault? America created its blacks??

So, over time, blacks watch White people behave, stay in school, marry, obey the law, NOT commit violent crime, etc...and by observing THAT, by living with THOSE WHITE PEOPLE, blacks...do the opposite??

I mean, WTF man?

His only hope is his daughter getting knocked up by some black guy who then leaves her, AND getting repeatedly mugged by the blacks he excuses. Although I'm not sure even that would help.

What a fool.

Joe

no_slappz said...

The Norway example is a good one. But it should include the fact that Norway exports 90% of the oil it pumps from its North Sea wells. The country uses 10% internally and finances its vast -- and functioning -- social programs with much of the money from international oil sales.

If the US permitted oil companies to maximize production -- which would happen IF the easy oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and offshore California, etc were available -- the US would have more money for social programs that matter, and possibly we would need to divert less money to failed social engineering experiments.

In other words, we could fund promising technical engineering projects proposed by entrepreneurs.

no_slappz said...

The black answer to Norway should be Nigeria.

Nigeria has the oil wealth to finance the same prosperity that exists in Norway. But...

Nigeria is a sewer where half the population is still waiting for indoor plumbing and electricity.

Robert Marchenoir said...

Not so fast, SBPDL ! The grass is always greener on the other side of the pond, but Norway, like the other Scandinavian countries and pretty much of Europe, is already awash in undesirable immigrants, black and/or Muslim.

And, no, liberal policies do not work. Of course, if you take socialism and pile upon it bad quality mass immigration, Blacks and Muslims, things will only get worse.

Norway might be better off than the US -- yet. (Although this is highly debatable.) However, let me caution you : the sort of problems SBPDL is about make a lot of Europeans dream of emigrating to America.

As a European, it was a shock to me when I came across Americans, on American Renaissance, who planned to emigrate to... Europe, of all places, in order to escape the very same issues so many Europeans would like to flee by crossing the Atlantic in the other direction.

Right now, it seems there's no place to hide.

Helena of Troy, Washington said...

The question itself is easy, Norway of course, but if Detroit had a functional capitalist system, I'd rather live there. The problem is that in Detroit there seems to be NO system right now, just chaos, or Africa. Any place would be better than that.

Scandinavia cannot afford to keep their welfare states, nor can the US or any of the European states. Scandinavian culture may disappear entirely because it is so soft and meek, and we're being flooded with immigrants from the third world. Norway has a lot of oil wealth and can afford to keep the immigrants happy and on the dole, but they're still making a lot of concessions on how they act publicly. Any criticism of islam is shouted down, often with threats, and don't even think about saying anything about the holy prophet Mohammed, never mind drawing him. There is also what the media calls a "rape epidemic", which seems to be a yearly event from spring all through summer, and now they're debating the very interesting subject of "why men rape" -- *facepalm*

Scandinavia is going to hell in a hand basket faster than you can spell it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-lXixUiJM

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/03/its-hard-to-be-norwegian-in-groruddalen.html

Norwegians, however are waking up, Swedes sadly are not. And this is where socialism gets dangerous. Not waking up means anarchy and total destruction, waking up means national socialism, but there is a third way, capitalism. Capitalism means a system of laws designed to protect individual rights only, no welfare, no public education, no handouts, just military, police and the justice system. Under capitalism criminals are punished properly, and crime drops to zero. Capitalism sets the individual free and that's what's so great about it, no group can keep an individual down, you would think that capable blacks would jump on this first chance they got.

Under capitalism criminals would be removed, welfare would be private and everybody but the parasites will be happy. In this post SBPDL sets capitalism up against socialism in a homogeneous society, but capitalism is still far superior. Socialism has a far more insidious side to it than just parasitism, it changes the way people think about life. After a couple of generations of socialism, a lot of people stop respecting other people and property, demand more and more, and end up as unhappy welfare drones without a purpose in life. Too many of these, and the country goes broke, it's just a matter of time. This is happening everywhere right now, and third world immigration just speeds things up.

If a capitalist system was in place in Detroit, blacks would be much better off. Of course, the criminals would be locked up or deported, and bellyaching socialists can't stand this, they go nuts when criminals are punished properly, but the black community would be much better off. Socialism gets explosive when race and cultural differences are mixed in, and that is why I fear for the future of Europe.

Welfare should of course be private, that way everybody gets to spend their money as they please, instead of a democratic system where the bigger groups get all the cash. Yes, the question is really capitalism vs democracy, and we should choose capitalism. Democracy invites everybody to vote on how YOU should live, and makes laws that discriminate on the basis of skin color, like affirmative action and other such atrocious laws. Capitalism solves the race issue beautifully, no group can use the state to get ahead, and everybody is free from crime. THAT'S where I wanna live.

I want to have your Baby!!! :o)

Seriously, This is clarity of thought, ideas and goals.

Anonymous said...

A Black population or a space program? Ain't none a you crackas eva heard of the Old Negro Space Program?

http://www.negrospaceprogram.com/

Anonymous said...

"A Black population or a space program? Ain't none a you crackas eva heard of the Old Negro Space Program?

http://www.negrospaceprogram.com/"

It's been posted multiple times.

North West European said...

"Norway might be better off than the US -- yet. (Although this is highly debatable.) However, let me caution you : the sort of problems SBPDL is about make a lot of Europeans dream of emigrating to America."

Let's face it, multiculturalism and socialism (although the latter is ten times worse when combined with the first) is about to make a lot of WHITES everywhere dream of a better life. What we have now is worse than what we had 50 years ago, in terms of cultural values, and the next 50 years will be even worse still. Those who can see this are frantically looking for a solution, ANY solution. I have said many times that national socialism is NOT the answer, people should realize that, the arguments against it should be very clear. The only alternative is capitalism. Socialism, or any mix of socialism and capitalism, is intrinsically unstable, and will inevitably fail.

Personally I hope someday to move to a free state.

http://freestateinitiative.org/

"A Free State is a government entity which has a single purpose: to maintain the peace through the rule of law"

I don't need welfare or handouts, just peace and quiet so that I can think.

joe said...

They Somali-Minnesota is a good story to watch my friend. I live in a city that welcomed thousands of them (to my very liberal canadian city) since the early 90's and it has been a disaster.

North West European said...

@Helena of Troy, Washington

Let's do something about those low white birth rates and have twelve :)

Seriously, feminism is destroying that part of our culture. Men and women have no values to trade anymore, because they're both the same. Now we have single 30-something females living alone, apart from their one or two cats, waiting for "Mr. right", or rather "Mr. right now". Women on this blog and American Renaissance seem to be less influenced, and even holding on to *gasp* traditional female values. God bless you old fashioned gals.

I guess the same could be said about guys, to a lesser degree, but I think it's feminism that forces men to stand aside and let everybody else have a go at being the breadwinner. The socialists in power would sooner that there were NO breadwinners, and that everybody lined up outside some government office to get food, clothes and apply for a baby licence.

Feminism is just one of socialism's many faces, and it is destroying us just as progressive taxes and affirmative action are, perhaps even more so.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Ice Cube is a creative genius. He strings words together and makes 8 figures a year. That's pretty genius if you ask me. He's not Ed Witten, but he's likely generating more value (through the ancillary people who are employed because of him) than everyone on this board put together (and Ed Witten).

"And yes, once again, the morally superior white man knows what is best for the black man.

How much is this plan going to cost the rest of us? Tell me more."

By cutting off all welfare/section 8/medicaid/food stamps, we essentially end dysgenesis. Given the fact that US will collapse within a few years if we don't rein in spending anyway (either the dollar collapses or the bond market stops funding us), there's going to be a lot of starvation going on relatively soon. That won't cost a thing.

Look, is black dysfunction an economic/social drag on America? Yes. Do blacks have lower average intelligence than other races? Yes. Have blacks made significant contributions to American culture? Definitely. Do all blacks seek the destruction of whitey? No. Are all blacks worthless? Hell, no. We simply need to stop subsidizing dysgenesis. Will that happen? It may, if there's no money to spend. If not, then, yeah, it's time to move to another country.

Former Black Militant said...

"I think this causation is backwards. Institutional racism didn't cause the poverty and disadvantage, rather the lower average intelligence of blacks as a group caused the poverty, disadvantage, and the racism (whites basically said, "hmmm...these folks don't seem to be as bright as we are, in general")."
Teaching 15 years at a 99.9% black school trying to get the children to live up to their potential taught me this above quote. I believe even in Africa black people were fighting and partying and bullsh--ing back then and not listening to the wise people among them. Their are many smart and talented black people but once you have such a high concentration of idiots within the group , they tend to drag the whole group down like an albatross. It is other blacks of goodwill who want to constantly make excuses for fools which winds up pullingthem into a web of foolery.

Anonymous said...

Some anonymous idiot said
"1 in 6 blacks are smarter than the average white person and 3 in 6 blacks are smarter than 1 in 6 whites (assuming a normal distribution of IQ)."

SG Says: Yes, statistics like this work when you don't have to name a source. I'll add a couple: 5 in 6 Whites are smarter than 99 of 100 blacks and 6 of 6 Whites are smarter than 100% of blacks. I said it, so it must be true.

The same anonymous idiot said:
Duke Ellington. Genius. Louis Armstrong. Genius. Clifford Brown. Genius. Erroll Garner. Genius. The Nicholas Brothers. Geniuses. The first rappers and breakdancers. Geniuses. Scott Joplin. Genius. Jelly Roll Morton. Genius. Ice Cube. Genius. And that's not to mention black intellectuals post-slavery. Blacks have an artistic creative ability that needs to be recognized and admired.

SG Says: So every black musician is to be considerer a genius? Not to mention now rappers (unaffiliated with the term musician) are geniuses also. Gee, I learned to rhyme words. I be a genius!

And the nausea just keeps coming:
Black kids in the projects are not dressing and acting like white kids in the suburbs, but white kids in the suburbs are dressing and acting like black kids in the projects.

SG says: Kids imitate what the Marx Stream Media feeds them through crap like MTV. Kids don't go to "da hood" and say, "I wanna be just like those losers"

And blacks do dress like Whites. Or are you going to tell me that blacks invented the suit and tie?

Anonymous said...

"The first rappers and breakdancers. Geniuses."

The first black porn stars. Geniuses.

The first black scam artists. Geniuses.

The first blacks to tie their shoes. Geniuses.

The first blacks to play Tic-Tac-Toe. Geniuses.

The first blacks to use the self check-out at Wal-Mart. Geniuses.

The first blacks to program a VCR. Geniuses.

The first black (fill in the blank). Geniuses.

Anonymous said...

"So by your logic any person who is descended from a race/nation that was once mistreated, conquered, had large numbers of people killed etc. has an endless amount of excuses for their current behavior?"

Snape for president!
After all, my people were nearly exterminated in recent history (not Jewish) so I should be able to reap my own "reparations" at my leisure from every Tom, Dick, and Harriet I encounter whether **they had anything to do with my ancestors' problems or not.**
(And wouldn't you know the bastards didn't even bother giving us modern technology and medicine, hospitals, schools, and their whole country unlike those vile, racist South Africans. We had to build all those things, ourselves.)

By Snape's logic I'm entitled to a free for all. I shouldn't be forced to work, save for a rainy day, obey the rules, or control my impulses. I've had a get out of responsibility card all this time and didn't even know it.

Anonymous said...

"Some anonymous idiot said
"1 in 6 blacks are smarter than the average white person and 3 in 6 blacks are smarter than 1 in 6 whites (assuming a normal distribution of IQ)."

SG Says: Yes, statistics like this work when you don't have to name a source. I'll add a couple: 5 in 6 Whites are smarter than 99 of 100 blacks and 6 of 6 Whites are smarter than 100% of blacks. I said it, so it must be true."

Assuming a normal distribution of IQ (which may not be a great assumption), 16% of blacks are one standard deviation above the black mean of 85--the standard deviation is 15--thus 16% or 1 in 6 blacks is smarter than the white average IQ of 100. 16% of whites have IQs below 85 and 50% of blacks have IQs above 85, thus 3 in 6 blacks are smarter than 1 in 6 whites. Clearly you're one of the whites with an IQ below 85. My condolences. Life must suck when a majority of black people are smarter than you.

Anonymous said...

"Clearly you're one of the whites with an IQ below 85."

Based on your inability to note his obvious sarcasm...clearly you are too.

Anonymous said...

"Based on your inability to note his obvious sarcasm...clearly you are too. "

Yeah, he was being sarcastic about not having provided a source for the claim that 3 in 6 blacks are smarter than 1 in 6 whites, thus suggesting that one could pull any statistic out of thin air. Clearly he missed the intrinsic source of the normal distribution assumption and the attendant probabilities/frequencies.

Anonymous said...

"Black kids in the projects are not dressing and acting like white kids in the suburbs"

This is known as a "Mindless Statement Of The Obvious", usually stated with an air of profundity intended to disguise its vacuousness.

Of course black kids don't act like white kids.
Blacks look upon whiteness with disdain, and reject any behaviors they consider "white"...
Like studying...wearing clothes that fit...speaking proper English...making good grades...obeying the law...being employed...getting married before having children...investing and saving...etc

Blacks who behave too "white" are ostracized by other blacks, and referred to as "Uncle Tom's".

"white kids in the suburbs are dressing and acting like black kids in the projects."

At some point, this tiresome argument should be officially stricken from this blog, and it's owner banned.

It is the nature of human adolescents to be rebellious...against their parents, teachers, and authority in general. Teens reject their parents' rules, mores, institutions...and embrace things that their parents find tasteless and deplorable. White teens "act black" as a means of rebellion, not to demonstrate their love of black culture.
These same white teens will go off to college, get jobs, marry and have children, laugh at the stupid things they did as teenagers...then teach their children the same values passed on by their parents.

Oyster Person said...

@ Snape's comment...

(snip) American black culture is a reflection of America's former hostility to blacks, which led to privation and disadvantage(end snip)

nooo nooo noooo....actually back in the day when the blacks were valuable possessions...they were VALUED possessions. Really no different than how a farmer would value his tractor, his truck. These are TOOLS, and the tools had meaning when they "worked properly". After slavery...many blacks continued to work in the towns they had grown up in and worked for, around etc etc.

FACT is...the ghetto FERAL black, the shitty hateful chip on the shoulder black came about and BUILT an empire on FERAL black shitty valaues and behavior...beginning with the Black Panthers and others in the 60s.

White liberals thought they could benefit from or manage these people...and just like the outcome of

DISTRICT NINE....

even the white liberals are beginning to see that feral blacks...are an alien life form to "White America".

Africa deserves its chaos...and to be brutally honest, I don;t even THINK Africa would welcome the feral blacks of America into their country...

They would probably chase their feral asses down and sell them to Arabs....as breeders for enslavement...and manual labor where thinking isn't required.

Funny...when things go full circle? Heh?

HA!

A Equals A said...

"Africa deserves its chaos...and to be brutally honest, I don;t even THINK Africa would welcome the feral blacks of America into their country.."

Africa is not a country dumbass.

Basic geography.

Sara said...

Robert Marchenoir, do you think Europe is worse off now than the US regarding immigration? I'll admit to being one of those Americans who have daydreamed about moving to Europe. I'd appreciate any insight on which place you think will be more tolerable 10 or 20 years from now. I'm thinking it might be the US since we have more room to grow here (though I'd rather we didn't grow further).

Anonymous said...

"Yeah, he was being sarcastic"

Unless you believe he was being literal by ending with "I said it, so it must be true".

Anonymous said...

"Africa is not a country dumbass."

Insulting someone's geographical slip without addressing their substantive points?

Pathetic.

Question for the brainiac: when Barack Obama referred to the "57 states" in America, was that just a slip of the tongue, or did it really mean that Obama thinks there are 57 states in the US?

A Equals A said...

"I don;t even THINK Africa would welcome the feral blacks of America into their country..."

How could this be construed as a "geographic slip"?

Admit it. You actually meant it haha.

Anonymous said...

"You actually meant it haha."

Please note...adding "haha" or "lol" to an unfunny statement does not make it funny.

Allow me to illustrate with an example:

"Negroes commit more than half the murders in this country, haha".

Do you see what I mean? Here's another example:

"Negroes account for roughly half of all Americans living with HIV, haha".

I hope I've been helpful.

BTW, "Basic geography." is not a complete sentence, but since I'm not a nitpicky douche-bag, it really doesn't matter.

A Equals A said...

^ It was funny to me. Naturally its not funny to you since its directed at you.

Anonymous said...

"It was funny to me. Naturally its not funny to you since its directed at you."

No, it wasn't directed at me, I'm an uninvolved third-party observer. You are aware that "Anonymous" is not a single individual, no?

Anonymous said...

Norway succeeds as a socialist country because whites have a better work ethic, but it still won't last. Somehow, the Norweigians must be keeping their population of old people in check. Seniors are always the death of the entitlements scheme, after the breeders of course.

Americans still do not realize what is going on with blacks in this country. Just as most of them were blissfully unaware of the radical jihadist war being waged against the West for over 4 decades.

As with Muslims in Europe, blacks in America are intentionally and with malice, being radicalized to hate America and whites. They aren't stupid - at least, not to the degree some think. They are evil. Quit giving them credit for being genetically inferior. Blacks in America have a secret handshake, figuratively, and it's the secret club of "Whitey is weak. The strong destroy the weak."

Jonathan said...

Socialism in Norway works NOW, but it won't work forever, unless they plan on capping the number of old and non-working people that can be alive at any one moment. Any white person who thinks socialism "works" is in no position to be criticizing the intelligence of black people.

Norway is like Kuwait. The government uses nationalized oil money to subsidize free stuff for everyone, along with massive taxation, in order to keep the people under control. Click on the link up top and read the Inc. magazine article. The guy makes 150K a year and gives half of it to the government... that's SEVENTY FIVE grand a year... in exchange for a pathetic pension plan health care and free kindergarten.

He's probably getting half his value back. If he could put 75 grand into investments every year until retirement, he'd be wealthy enough to buy his own personal clinic. Hire his own personal physician. Free nursing homes? What a joke! He could live in his own house and hire a nursing staff for that much money.

Anonymous said...

"Assuming a normal distribution of IQ (which may not be a great assumption), 16% of blacks are one standard deviation above the black mean of 85--the standard deviation is 15--thus 16% or 1 in 6 blacks is smarter than the white average IQ of 100. 16% of whites have IQs below 85 and 50% of blacks have IQs above 85, thus 3 in 6 blacks are smarter than 1 in 6 whites. Clearly you're one of the whites with an IQ below 85. My condolences. Life must suck when a majority of black people are smarter than you."

Let's analyze this claim. With an IQ below 85, a white person would still be smarter than half the blacks in the country. I'm sorry to tell you that Half is not a majority. And the percentage of blacks smarter than just the AVERAGE white person is about 6 or 7 percent. That is DEFINITELY a minority.

According to the latest 2010 census figures, coupled with your IQ statistics:

Total non-Hispanic, white alone population: 64 percent, or 196.8 million people.
Total black population: 12.6 percent or 38.9 million.

3 in 6 blacks IQ above 85 --19.45 million
3 in 6 blacks IQ below 85 --19.45 million
1 in 6 non-hispanic whites IQ below 85 -- 33.3 million

3 in 6 non-hispanic whites IQ above 100 -- 98.4 million
1 in 6 blacks IQ above 100 -- 6.5 million

Consider the fact that a lot of these low IQ blacks must be teaching public school, or government bureaucrats, officers in the military, etc. An IQ test requirement for any non-menial type of job would be tantamount to resegregating society. Low IQ whites are probably mostly represented in blue collar jobs. I would be willing to bet that the average white garbage truck driver or cement factory worker would be better high school teachers than most of the blacks filling those jobs.

Anonymous said...

Let's not pretend that the results of Socialist policies in Scandinavia are typical. They won't last. That said, Detroit is in such extremely bad shape because of the creatures that inhabit it.

Anonymous said...

Professor Snapes, you said: "Black culture in the United States is a product of the United States.... It is the product of multi-generational poverty and disadvantage, which was catalyzed by institutional racism."

Rubbish. The truth is that black culture in the United States is a product of black people in the United States. Those blacks who are actually human beings -- such as those from countries with a history of white-colonial rule -- have been elevated from their genetic tendency towards decadence and destruction through the salubrious effects of white tutelage.

Anonymous said...

Ice Cube (on the anti-Korean album Death Certificate)

“So don’t follow me up and down your market.
or your little chop suey ass will be a target.
So pay your respects to the black fist
or we’ll burn your store right down to a crisp.”

Wow, what a genius! I just LOVE Black Run America and its "geniuses"!!!

7680b8de-443c-11e0-814d-000bcdcb5194 said...

Why is Vermont afro-free? Simple. No license required to carry concealed weapons. All the taxpayers and homeowners have weapons. It's not that they use them -- they don't. But the ebony predators who might want to visit from New York or Massachusetts and prey on Vermonters will think twice, and stay where they are protected from arrest. If they go to Vermont and do a crime, they may well just disappear. No cops, no news article, no nothing. And no ***gers either. There is that one place where the grass grows funny in the backyard, but that is probably just an old tree stump buried there, that's all.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion this article? Nail/head/hit. Inasmuch as you would have to be a blind idiot not to see the truth for what it is. And the truth hurts don't it?

Anonymous said...

hello??? No mention that Norway Drills OIL successfully, Number three producer of the sweet stuff and it is all state owned!! They can afford handouts for all!!!

Anonymous said...

This is an eye opener... in South Africa the blacks are still blaming apartheid which was voted out 17 years ago... I was hoping in the near future they would take responsibility for themselves, especially now that there is a legal reverse apartheid which "protects" the majority from the minority (funny that) ... anyway, reading here I see that the blacks in USA are still blaming slavery which ended what? about 100 years ago? Oh well, seems another 80 years for us here isnt too long to wait lol .... South Africa was a thriving economy in spite of sanctions etc. Now that the worlds doors have opened to really get our economy going, its falling apart, from high unemployment and crime to a corrupt thieving government that has downgraded the education system so much so that our once world recognised universities (colleges) are a joke. Read here for some interesting facts http://greatsalandscandal.blogspot.com/2007/06/chapter-1-letsitele-valley.html

And also http://mspoliticalcommentary.blogspot.com/

I find it so ironic that we were lambasted for something that now the world is opening its eyes too....

"I told you so" is something on many SAfricans lips now .....

Serqus said...

I agree that liberalism isn't the only factor that contributed to the demise of places like Detroit but Sowell is correct in identifying liberalism as the central factor.

Yes, the blacks in Detroit did precipitate the city's deterioration but it is not solely because they're black, they're black liberals. And they're liberal ideology intermixed with their distinct cultural traits is what led to the demise of places like Detroit.

It's very hard to imagine conservative, Republican blacks regularly engaging in criminality, rioting, and welfare dependency. Yes, there are very few of them in proportion to the black population, but it still proves the point that differences in ideology can generate very different types of people and different types of behaviors.