In 2012, the only industry that 71 percent Black Birmingham can produce - outside of payday loan stores - is to live off the legacy of "Civil Rights" (Birmingham Civil Rights District named Attraction of the Year, Birmingham News, August 30, 2012); the sorry condition of the city being the ultimate legacy of "Civil Rights."
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| Bear Bryant at Legion Field, once the capital of football in a long dead America |
On Sept. 12, 1970, a freshman basketball player named Wendell Hudson rode a bus packed with athletes to Birmingham, taking his seat at Legion Field. He watched as Sam Cunningham, the black USC fullback, torched the all-white Crimson Tide defense for 135 yards and two touchdowns in a 42-21 Trojans win. Hudson didn't like seeing his school embarrassed, but there was something sweet about a black player showing the holdovers from the Jim Crow South what they were missing. It was a loss for the Crimson Tide, but it represented something different, Hudson says, to the black community.
"I don't think there's any question," he says. "It was a win."
Later, it was suspected that Bryant brought the Trojans to Birmingham to show locals that it was time to desegregate his team. Was this all it took to be a contender again, five years after Alabama's most recent national title?
Bryant's actions, whether they were premeditated or not, prevented the Tide from falling behind -- despite resistance from boosters and even in the statehouse. Some say that game at Legion Field was the turning point; others say the story has been overblown, its significance mythologized.
Hudson says that, if nothing else, that fall Saturday helped to open minds and to ease the stress directed toward young black players.
"If Coach Bryant thought it was OK," Hudson says, "the state of Alabama thought it was OK."Alabama was coming off of an 8-3 and 6-5 season (1969 and 1970) and though the Tide would field only two Black players in 1971 ( a virtually all-white team exacting revenge and beating heavily favored USC 17-10 en route to an 11-1 season - after going 6-5-1 in 1970 - thanks to the institution of the wishbone offensive attack),the idea that Black players were the key to winning national titles was set in the eyes of Bryant and his faithful -- the Crimson Tide Nation.
Starting the 2012 season, the University of Alabama football program is more than 70 percent Black: at a school whose enrollment is less than five percent Black male. And yes, Alabama has won two of the last three national titles; yes, Alabama won national title in 1992; and yes, Bryant would win 1973, 1978, and 1979 (teams that were overwhelmingly white), but the question of at what cost is never, ever asked.
The answer rests in the sorrowful state of what was once the south's greatest city, Birmingham, a veritable Black hole full of decaying memories of a storied past. The saddest building still standing that reminds those who look upon it of an era long dead is Legion Field, the 85-year old football stadium that played host to many of the Bear's most famous wins: (Alabama Forced to Abandon Unsafe Legion Field, NBC News, August 19, 2004)
So much for “The football capital of the South.”Legion Field was allowed to decay because the white tax-base fled Birmingham after the post-Civil Rights world made it untenable for white people to live safely and peacefully in the Magic City. Once Black people took control of City Hall, the precious little tax-revenue collected had to pay for basic services; maintaining a stadium that was but a symbol of the old "Jim Crow" was luxury that Black people couldn't afford.
Once proud to proclaim itself as the gridiron hub of an entire region, the city of Birmingham’s 77-year-old Legion Field is in such disrepair it’s no longer safe to use the 9,000-seat upper deck, which has structural problems. Its metal supports are dappled with peeling gray paint and rust.
With renovation or repair unlikely, the city and the University of Alabama on Thursday said they were ending their contract, meaning the Crimson Tide would no longer play any home games at the 81,000-seat stadium. The announcement marked the end of a long association between one of the South’s most storied football programs and the old field on Graymont Avenue.
“The Crimson Tide has played some of its greatest football at Legion Field, and Alabama fans will forever enjoy fond memories of those wonderful games,” athletic director Mal Moore said in a statement.
But none of those hold a candle to images of the stadium’s past: coach Paul “Bear” Bryant leaning on a goalpost during pregame warmups or Alabama vs. Tennessee on the third Saturday in October.
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| At exactly the moment the University of Alabama football integrated (1971), the city of Birmingham died |
In 1998, the last Iron Bowl - the Auburn University/Alabama football game - would be played at Legion Field, depriving the city of one of the last big revenue generating events (The House That Bear Built
Birmingham's Legion Field is, sadly, no longer a football mecca, Sports Illustrated, by Jack McCallum, November 29, 1999):
Nothing captures the fall from grace of the self-proclaimed Football capital of the South better than this: As 85,214 fans were preparing last Saturday to go to Auburn's Jordan-Hare Stadium, where Alabama would defeat Auburn 28-17, only about 5,000 people, many of them mommies and daddies, were gathered at 83,000-seat Legion Field in Birmingham to watch 12 of the city's youth football teams play six games in the 32nd annual Shug-Bear Bowl. For much of the 20th century it was the games played at Legion Field that allowed Birmingham to adopt the aforementioned billing, which stretches in large, painted letters across the facade of sections 33 through 37 of the 72-year-old stadium. The slogan was particularly true on those Saturdays when the Crimson Tide and the Tigers engaged in the blood rivalry that brought all other activity in the state to a halt. But when Alabama made it official in February that beginning in 2000, as part of a new contract, it would host its renewals of the season-ending civil war on campus rather than at Legion—a change Auburn had made 10 years ago—big-time football at the House That Bear Built effectively came to an end.
Ah, but it breathed once. It was at Legion in 1970, after Sam Cunningham led Southern Cal to a 42-21 rout of the Crimson Tide, that Bear Bryant finally became convinced that 'Bama needed a new kind of player—one with a black face. No doubt you've heard the line that emerged from that game: Sam Cunningham did more for integration in Alabama in three hours than Martin Luther King Jr. did in a decade. It was at Legion in '81 that Bryant passed Amos Alonzo Stagg's career victory mark of 314 with a 28-17 win over Auburn.
So whither Legion Field? Around Birmingham there seems to be little of the warm and fuzzy feeling attached to Legion that there is to Rickwood Field, the city's historic minor league baseball park, which is being lovingly restored. Art Clarkson, a Birminghamite who once owned the minor league Barons, has a plan for Legion: "Let's get 30,000 people lined up around the stadium, sing a few songs, make a few speeches and—wham!—blow the thing up."Perhaps it was the sad story of losing the Alabama High School championship games to the campuses of Auburn University and the University of Alabama that illustrate the sad ability for those Black people in control of modern-day Birmingham for allocating money to keep the buildings and infrastructure they inherited from white flight in working conditions:
The Super 6, Alabama's annual high school football championship series, is leaving Birmingham and will be played in Auburn and Tuscaloosa for the next six years.
The Alabama High School Athletic Association on Wednesday approved a six-year agreement to move the state football championship games from 83-year-old Legion Field. The series will alternate between stadiums at Auburn University and the University of Alabama.
Birmingham's Legion Field had hosted the football championships every year since 1996. The championship games for the state's biggest high schools have been at Legion Field for four decades.
Jefferson County Commissioner Sheila Smoot said she was stunned by the decision.
"For me, it's a loss of sales tax once again in this county that we just can't afford. We're going to have to figure a way to replace not only this event but the money it generates," Smoot said.
Birmingham Mayor Larry Langford said the city's bid included doubling financial support for both events. The mayor's office said it had budgeted $50,000 in financial support for the basketball game playoffs and doubled its pledge to $100,000.
"I had sweated what the results would be," Langford said. "All and all, I'm delighted because, to be perfectly candid, we raised the offer so high because we knew what we were faced with -- inadequate facilities."
Langford said the city continues to risk losing events unless new venues are built. Both the BJCC and Legion Field are outdated and inadequate, he said.
"Had we moved on that domed stadium or just shown the intent, the football games would never have gone to Tuscaloosa," he said. "No matter how much paint we put on Legion Field, it is a stadium that has served the state well, but is outdated."
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| Legion Field: Won't be demolished because of its "Civil Rights" importance |
In 2007, the Birmingham News published a special report called Birmingham at a Crossroads: the reality is the city of Birmingham crossed the Rubicon on September 12, 1970.
It is a dead city as long as Black people are in control of the city's destiny, and a recent story about the inhabitants of the neighborhood that surrounds Legion Field illustrates this point powerfully (Neighbors around Birmingham's Legion Field languishing with blight, Birmingham News, December 4, 2011):
Boarded-up houses, darkened storefronts and a gutted hotel line the path thousands took recently on their annual caravan to Legion Field, where vendors and spectators indulged in a weekend of entertainment, celebrity and football.
Long after the echoes of music and roaring crowds of the Magic City Classic drifted past her house and faded until next fall, Iris Billups remains in Legion Field's shadow, where blight and neglect are her closest neighbors.
"After a period of time, I guess nobody cared," said Billups, a retired New York schoolteacher who returned four years ago to her family home off Graymont Avenue, one of only a few occupied houses on her block. "People moved away, and the people who owned houses died.
"Their children didn't move back and it just deteriorated."
Residents, planners and development experts say that's a problem not just for residents of Birmingham's Smithfield community, but for anybody who wants to keep Legion Field viable and attract more events to the 84-year-old stadium. Its future is linked to the struggling neighborhood in which it sits, they say.
With longtime plans for a domed stadium in the city shelved and a proposed UAB on-campus stadium axed by University of Alabama trustees, Legion Field remains the sole venue for major football games in Birmingham. Mayor William Bell has said he's working on bringing more games to the stadium and has announced upgrades to be completed in time for next month's BBVA Compass Bowl.
But some say revitalizing the surrounding community is just as crucial a need as improvements to the stadium itself.
Redevelopment plans have been pitched over the years, most recently in 2003, with little action. But with work under way on the city's first all-new comprehensive plan in 50 years and Bell proposing a $75 million bond referendum for yet-to-be-named projects across the city, hopes have been rekindled for improvements to the area around the stadium.
"What do you have to offer the people to come into the neighborhood?" Billups said, citing the scarcity of retail, restaurant and other development in the area for both visitors and residents. "The city has to think in terms like that. Why would we want to lose Legion Field? That's the only thing we have going."
The marketability of facilities such as Legion Field depends on visitors' experiences both inside and outside, said David Fleming, president of Operation New Birmingham.
"In general, it is clear from the trends of stadiums and sports facility development that people think about developing those facilities in context and not in isolation," he said.
Improving the condition of the area around the stadium is critical to the venue's marketability, said Arthur Allaway, a University of Alabama marketing professor.
"Some of it is just cleaning the streets and painting, because empty buildings that look good aren't dangerous-looking, while burned-out buildings don't look too attractive," Allaway said. "It will take private money in the long run, but in the short term, a commitment to the area from the city would go a long way."
Allaway said cosmetic improvements, along with incentives for redevelopment, should be the city's first steps.
Billups' father and uncle built the family house the same year she was born, 1950. After retiring, she returned to a street and community drastically different from the one she had left in 1972.
"You don't hear anything about this community until the next Classic comes," Billups said, sitting in the living room where black-and-white portraits of her mother and father still sit on the vintage furniture of her youth.
Back when the photos and furniture were new and Billups' house was filled with family, Legion Field was a premier sports destination hosting several Alabama football games a year, including the Iron Bowl matchup with Auburn. Those teams are long gone, and the statue of Paul "Bear" Bryant just past the resting lions at the gate stands as a memorial to Legion Field's place in sports history.
But Billups and others say the stadium and its neighborhood need not be consigned to sports manuals, yellowed newspaper clips and old television reels.
In 2003, the Graymont and College Hills neighborhood associations commissioned Auburn University's Center for Architecture and Urban Studies to canvass the area and draft a master plan for its rebirth.
The group led by Cheryl Morgan, director of Auburn's Birmingham-based urban studio, produced concepts that included preservation of historic homes, new neighborhood-based businesses and landscaping changes at Legion Field, making the area more park-like.
Morgan said she knows the drawings of trees at the stadium, and of fresh new homes mixed with renovated older ones near a new retail commercial district, are visionary.
"We really believe that you should set the bar high," Morgan said. "Part of what we believe is that the neighborhoods really do have the most responsibility and opportunity to make things happen locally, but they need tools to help them build partnerships to attract economic development to their area."
Morgan said Smithfield's location just west of downtown and its long history are assets that could aid in a revitalization.
"I'm a stubborn optimist. I look around and see so many amazing things in the city," she said. "Neighborhoods are living, breathing things, and change happens incrementally. Managing the change is one of the things that good planning helps you do."
Allaway said the area, which includes Birmingham-Southern College to the west, has elements that could be marketed to developers, including a natural customer base of students, residents and stadium users in addition to a supply of cheap land.
"There's got to be a market, and if there's a market, then there's an opportunity," he said. "All the commercial real estate guys are pretty smart in knowing what an opportunity looks like. Every place goes down and comes back up eventually.
Somebody could get in and get in cheap, and bring in some retail."
Fleming -- the former director of Main Street Birmingham, a neighborhood revitalization agency -- said plans such as the Auburn study require extensive support to analyze what is doable and put it into action.
"Somebody's got to be focused on making that happen and in that specific place," he said. "That's one of the challenges with redevelopment, keeping a focus and sustained effort of what's truly going to work in the marketplace."
City Councilwoman Maxine Parker, chairwoman of the Parks and Recreation Board that oversees Legion Field, agreed that Smithfield redevelopment should be tied to any effort to promote the stadium.
Birmingham is at a disadvantage in part because other cities have what is absent here, she said.
"When people go to other cities for games, when the game is over they want additional activities," she said. "Every time I went to a game I wanted to find the next place to have dinner and the next place to shop. You don't have it now, but if you make it a top priority you could have it soon."
City Councilman Johnathan Austin, whose district contains the neighborhood, agreed the city must shift more attention to the area.
"It's as if everybody has forgotten that there is a neighborhood around Legion Field that once was a thriving neighborhood," he said.
Change can occur gradually with city support, he said. Austin cites the recent vote to allow a Family Dollar store off Graymont. While that rezoning created a dispute between residents who backed it and members of a nearby church who opposed it, Austin said the store is an example of fledgling commercial interest in the area that must be championed.
"That may seem like something small, but in the large scheme of things, when is the last time we've had a new building built in Smithfield?" he said. "We don't have to go in and build huge grocery stores, but we can build neighborhood markets. We have an opportunity for neighborhood revitalization that we can mimic and replicate throughout the city."
Birmingham's project to develop a new city-wide master plan could shine new attention on the Auburn study, said Paul Neville, president of the College Hills neighborhood and Smithfield Community. "Moving from ideas to resources and implementation -- that's been our challenge," he said.
Neville said Legion Field, with its proposed green space and redesign of McLendon Park, could mimic the success of other neighborhoods where parks serve as anchors.
Capital needed to begin any major overhaul could come in a proposed $75 million bond issue that Bell announced recently.
Bell, who lives in College Hills and represented the area for years as a councilman, wants a citywide vote by early 2012 to finance projects across the city. The mayor has not named specific projects but said he would meet with each council member to compile a list of needs.
Repeated efforts to reach Bell for comment on possibilities for the area around Legion Field were unsuccessful.
Billups can easily give city officials her own list of needs, pointing out the number of empty houses on her street. That includes the Parker House, the home of A.H. Parker, founder and principal of the high school bearing his name. That house, and others in the area, were designed by Wallace A. Rayfield, whose other work included Sixteenth Street Baptist Church downtown.
The late principal would have to look closely to recognize his former home past the boarded-up windows. The city bought the house in 2001 and has stabilized it, but efforts to reuse it remain stalled.
"There are plans that the city has had for Smithfield, and they need to blow the dust off of them," said Emanuel Ford, a Birmingham Board of Education member and former longtime neighborhood officer. "It's not that the citizens have not raised their voices and given their ideas. It's just that sometimes it takes a long time to get something done. When you ride through Smithfield and you see all the blight and lots where houses used to stand, you wonder what happened."
What happened, Ford said, was that city officials turned all their attention to downtown revitalization while the neighborhood just west of downtown declined.
After years of little progress, Ford admits his optimism has dimmed a bit.
"You still keep pushing; you don't give up," he said. "I guess as we get older we learn to keep working, but then we also learn to deal with reality."Urban Blight? Declining property value? Virtually no legitimate economic activity? Crime and poverty? All hallmarks of a community that is all-Black. And not once in Joseph Bryant's article for the Birmingham News do you learn that the area around Legion Field has been all-Black for decades.
Once, the driveways of Black homeowners around Legion Field served as parking spots (and big-time money generators) for Alabama alumni and fans when they would attend games where the beloved Coach Bear Bryant would the Crimson Tide to victory. This all ended when Black political power took over Birmingham and completely neglected the infrastructure and public buildings they inherited from white flight, Legion Field included.
Now, the neighborhoods around Legion Field no longer accommodate University of Alabama alumni, students, and fans tailgating before a big game; they instead accommodate the camera crews of A&E's The First 48, with 71 percent Black Birmingham serving as one of the main cities for this show about murder and the police response to heinous crimes
Legion Field needs to be demolished, like all of Birmingham; bulldozed, razed and ultimately, rebuilt again. But it won't: it will sit, decaying (with echos of a glorious past haunting all who enter the stadium; if you close your eyes you can even see the shadows of the 1971 Iron Bowl participants, as undefeated Auburn and Alabama battled in the last true game between the schools -- when both schools only had two Black players each, who were recruited for both academics and their athleticism), with the "blight" created and sustained by the Black residents of the neighborhood surrounding the stadium a reminder of the type of community they can create.
This is the true legacy of that September 12, 1970 game; the destruction of an entire state, though people are still too busy yelling "Roll Tide" or "War Eagle" to notice.
Tomorrow, we pull on Superman's cape.
33 comments:
How much evidence do we need?
Blacks destroy EVERYTHING they touch. Our forefathers did not think them human. I don't believe all abolitionist wanted an end to slavery on humanitarian grounds. I think they knew blacks are an invasive and dangerous species.
We not only have decades of absolute equality as evidence on the inferiority of blacks but we have hundreds of years of accounts. The Muslims wrote about them what a thousand years ago?
If one did not know of blacks but read the accounts they would want nothing to do with them.
I had a snake when I was younger a Rainbow Boa Constrictor. At the time some place were outlawing the ownership of constrictors. I thought this is silly it is a wonderful low maintenance pet. I know better now non-indigenous snakes are destroying the Florida ecosystem.
Blacks are the human constrictors of the world. In small numbers they are manageable maybe even amusing. In large numbers they lay waste to everything.
the university of pittsburgh had a big time old project(hi-rise) and it was located 5 walking minutes from their old pitt stadium. local troubles aside the blacks preyed on the fans of the football team. hold-ups and broken car windows were common. so they(pitt) did what alabama is going to do build the new stadium in a better neighborhood. what happened next is the school(pitt) bought up the projects around their campus and just like everywhere else in america they had to pander to the spooks and build them "new projects" with the same "old criminals" in them. this project is the culdesac kind with 150,000.00 dollar ones in them. brand new and shining like a cadillac kind. and just down the street a-ways the white family pays full price for diversity. "suckers" and they won't report the armed robberies(stick-ups) cause you won't want your child to be so close to this kind of diversity. i guess we can call it university-diversity!!! i say segregation and godspeed whites
The sad thing is that in Football, Black athletes are yes, better, on average, and by a lot not a little, than White athletes.
They are faster, by significant percentages, quicker, by significant percentages, and stronger, by significant percentages, than comparable White athletes. This has led to total Black dominance in certain areas: WR, CB, Safeties, Defensive Line, RB, etc. The only positions where skill, built up over practice, coaching, and middle class extra/paid coaching, beat pure athletic ability, is QB, Kicker, and Offensive Line.
To get the best athletes and win at either the pro or college level, you MUST have mostly Black athletes at the positions where they make a difference: spots where being faster and stronger and taller beat skill and game intelligence.
By contrast say, Bicycle racing despite the fantastic amounts of money thrown around in Europe (and increasingly in the US, the Pro Cycling Challenge in Colorado had tremendous, all-White crowds) is all-White: fans, trainers, coaches, managers, and athletes. It is as much skill, will, savyness, as anything else. And its a team sport too.
Football is an amazing game. It offers fast-paced action with enough breaks to allow spectators to organize their thoughts, and allow athletes to recover for more fast action (unlike the NBA/College Basketball where loafing is common in the middle of the game). But the best teams have to make the Faustian bargain of mostly Black athletes.
I would say that however, it was not Football alone but the lure of Northern Investment that led to the dismantling of Jim Crow. This has historical precedent: Nathan Bedford Forrest dismantled the Klan in the early 1870's when it interfered with his fundraising in the North.
"If Coach Bryant thought it was OK," Hudson says, "the state of Alabama thought it was OK."
Which all goes to show the supreme idiocy of hitching your state's collective identity to a boy's recreational sport. Pinkett's "bad citizen" model has already shown us that coaches are beholden to those borderline thugs that they can't replace from the second string.
What's next, letting these indispensable thugs dictate on-field play? Is what these thugs say is okay something that Alabama will say is okay?
It sure as hell looks like it is because so many of the SEC teams now look like a Saturday police night lineup at some metropolitan precinct station.
Also, because the city hadn't gone as Black as Birmingham, Atlanta offered more attractions and safer streets for the alumni and fans who would attend the game.
Here's a hint. If the entire attending stadium crowd was Black, it wouldn't matter where the games were held. All of these measures specifically pander to Whites who just can't overcome alumni nostalgia for long enough to stop stroking off their schools' Black thug afleets.
"After a period of time, I guess nobody cared," said Billups, a retired New York schoolteacher who returned four years ago to her family home off Graymont Avenue, one of only a few occupied houses on her block. "People moved away, and the people who owned houses died.
Of course nobody cares, you stupid fool. You don't carry a football or tackle anyone. Why should you be important? Don't you realize that all those White folks cheering for their schools' uniformed Black thugs don't give a damn about you? Do you think any of them want to live within miles of your house?
They'll cheer on your little black thugs and then vanish back into their exurban enclaves the instant that clock ticks down to zero.
Allaway said cosmetic improvements, along with incentives for redevelopment, should be the city's first steps.
Go ahead, spend your ready cash on "cosmetic improvements". See if any substantial funding appears after that. As if a Potemkin village will solve all of your problems.
Morgan said she knows the drawings of trees at the stadium, and of fresh new homes mixed with renovated older ones near a new retail commercial district, are visionary.
"We really believe that you should set the bar high," Morgan said.
In other words, "Make the place look White."
"There's got to be a market, and if there's a market, then there's an opportunity," he [Allaway] said.
Who says? What market is there for residential lots next to burnt out buildings or crumbling foundations with ghetto dweller neighbors and their perpetual squalor?
Birmingham is at a disadvantage in part because other cities have what is absent here, she [Parker] said.
"When people go to other cities for games, when the game is over they want additional activities," she said. "Every time I went to a game I wanted to find the next place to have dinner and the next place to shop. You don't have it now, but if you make it a top priority you could have it soon."
What those "other cities" have are White people. The kind of folks who start and run businesses, keep up their homes, don't riot and torch their neighborhoods while generally building civilizations. Until you can convince White people to move in, forget about any rebirth or renovation of your ghettos.
Totally off topic on this thread, Paul, but you really need to link to/promote this article from "Those Who Can See" about restrictive covenants and the racial merry-go-round.
Old-line SEC fan here.
Whiskey,
Why do blacks often have such bad hands? I can't tell you how many times I've seen a black "pass receiver" drop a perfectly thrown pass. Did you see one Justin Hunter in the Chick-Fil-A game last night?
Do you think it was any coincidence that the NFL decided to allow gloves with so many blacks playing?
A correction for the article: Next to the picture of Legion Filed you have written -- "Jordan-Hare Stadium at Auburn and Bryant-Denny Stadium in Birmingham are both old stadiums as well...." Bryant Denny Stadium is not in Birmingham.
Also, I think it is only appropriate that you mention that Larry Langford, the former mayor of Birmingham, is currently in FEDERAL PRISON - because he's a worthless, sorry, corrupt, thieving, bribe-taking, self-serving, racist nigger.
Thanks!
"...It [football] offers fast-paced action with enough breaks to allow spectators to organize their thoughts..."
I don't watch football so I can't comment about college level but pro football has about 5 minutes of action for every hour of the game. Great for advertisers and couch potatoes to visit the fridge.
It says something that it needs a halftime with bands and cheerleaders. Or when the comments made the day after the superbowl are mostly about the commercials.
I've been perusing the SBPDL for about a year now. All this talk about the foo-ball has got me to seeing the game in a whole new way.
I didn't watch one single foo-ball game today. I think I'll do without the foo-ball this year.
I watch soccer and then hockey. At least there is a mixture of players and it is not dominated by black afleets with IQs around room temperature. And I don't have to feel like I'm supporting the legitimizing of black criminality in the name of almighty american foo-ball.
Sadly, I have virtually nothing constructive to offer here, on a pretty well-written article other than something I read a few posts back. SBPDL articles are growing, in a cancerous way, in length and breadth. 10+ paragraphs are great for the most erudite amongst us, of which, I am not. I can only concur with someone I cannot identify from a few weeks ago who made the same comment. Brevity is your friend. Bloviating Beyond Basic Belief (B to the 4th) is well, not helpful. I do not fault the author because as I see it SBPDL, is sort of a work in progress. What started as I understand it, as a somewhat tongue in cheek foil to SWPL, turned into something a bit more serious over time, that turned finally into something political, and ultimately into life or death for any of the White Race (insert comment that mostly would never appear here but comes in droves on MSM: "define White? what is White? Do Italians counts? Do Spaniards count?, doldrums, ad infinitum... you know what the fuck I mean)
Don't agree with lots of you, but love the dialogue all the same.
In the past, several states sterilized those they considered unfit to pass on their genes because they were stupid, deformed, or had criminal or antisocial tendencies. Those programs sterilized out blacks as well as whites and the average quality of blacks, while never being equal to that of whites, did improve as well. If we simply sterilized everyone under 85 IQ as well as violent felons we would take care of much of the Black problem as well as many others.
PK, you should blog about the coming Chicago teachers' strike. They're smart. They know Emmanuel needs the junior detention facilities (formerly known as "schools") open to try and curb the wildings and shootings that have characterized this summer. They're pushing his hand. "Give us a raise or have the Chicago PD deal with the monkeys."
I got on the Google Earth and took a streetview virtual drive around the neighborhood within walking distance of Legion Field. It's desolate to say the least.
I can't believe anyone would risk going to a game there.
Trash strewn everywhere. An obvious Section 8 facility right across the street from the main parking lot. Run down liquor stores with broken down cars everywhere.
It reminded me of an episode of "Life after Humans."
Mr Kersey:
As a Black man living in today's South I can't tell you how happy I am to know that the main threat that I face as a Black person seeking to partake in "Interstate Commerce" is that my double decker "MegaBus" might blow a tire and crash into a bridge support and thus burst into flames.
This is a major improvement from the time when marauding White racist were the source of the flames to stop Negroes from sitting next to White people in the bus terminal.
Do you notice, Mr Kersey that for you -ALL "BLACK CRIME" from the past are "FAIR GAME" to prove the savagery of the Negro.
Yet if I point back to the days when the White Racist Criminal who terrorized Black people or "DWL" ....(is that your code word for White Liberals? "Dishonest White Liberals". You know us Black folds don't have the IQ to remember much)....YOU proclaim that I am trying to pick your pockets using WHITE GUILT.
At this point about 3 of your sycophants step in and say "Ninja you are not wanted on this blog. Go find some group of Darkie Bloggers who care what you think".
CF,
I don't mind you being here I think it is good to hear some opposition. I want to challenge the way that I think but nothing you say does that.
Please give me just one good argument one it's all I ask.
You presume that the majority of people on SBPDL hate blacks. I don't hate blacks I have dated them and have befriended them.
I can only speak for myself when I say this I just want freedom of association and I do not want to subsidize their many pathologies through my taxes.
It is not my business if someone wants to live around blacks and do business with blacks or marries and has children with blacks. All these things are individual choices. Why is it I can't chose the opposite? What if I do not want to live around blacks, do business, or associate with them why am I FORCED?
It is easy for blacks to live a white free life all they have to do is stick to their violent inner cities and they can go their whole lives with very little contact. There are whole blacks schools, historical black universities, and then government jobs where over 80% of those employed are black. There are thousands of black associations private and government that blacks can associate with other blacks. I just want the same consideration and freedom you have.
Why don't the local vibrant diversities strip everything of value out of that corn studded turd of a stadium and take it to the recycler. Yes I loves me some of them rhetorical questions.
whiskey says that blacks are better than white athletes, but I can't agree. When I played high school ball at an all-white high school in the seventies, we routinely beat all-black teams in football, basketball and baseball. How is that possible if they are better athletes? We were a small public school playing against much bigger black schools and still winning. The present day takeover of team sports by blacks was a political decision to give blacks something to shoot for since accomplishment in any other area is impossible. I'm not saying blacks aren't good athletes, but the numbers at which they play professional sports are statistically impossible unless there is some kind of affirmative action going on.
Combative Freedblack said: "This is a major improvement from the time when marauding White racist were the source of the flames to stop Negroes from sitting next to White people in the bus terminal."
Hahahaha, LOL. Last time I tried to ride a bus, the Negroes made it intolerable. Muhfking this, Muhfuking that. Bitches, Niggas, ebonics, loud talking, vile sexual content, slap stick, crazy energy, intimidation, dead stares, TNB and buffoonery.
I don't blame whites for not wanting to sit next to black people at the bus terminal, on the bus, in a restaurant, or anywhere else. Blacks are very difficult to be around, no matter how hard I try to be accepting and understanding. Based on their behavior and attitudes, I just keep thinking they are the lowest form of human life. Blacks have a different energy and it feels very chaotic to me.
I agree with Muay. I don't hate blacks, but I find them to be mostly annoying. I don't want black culture forced upon me, and I would rather not be around large groups of them at one time.
Get over yourself CF.
You blabber on and on and no one cares. We have heard all of your comments many times before and you will change no minds here, only convince us that you are just another angry black man with an inferiority complex, stuck in the muck of his own failures.
Compulsive Feeblemind: This is a major improvement from the time when marauding White racist[s] were the source of the flames to stop Negroes from sitting next to White people in the bus terminal.
Those "marauding White racists" killed a lot fewer Blacks than Blacks did, or do. They also kept the "talented tenth" of Blacks on top of the Black social pyramid, exerting some control on Black pathologies. Do you really think Blacks are better off with them stigmatized as "Oreos" and thugs on top of what's become a dungheap?
Obviously you do, and that's why there is no place in America for you. You need to go back to Africa along with all the hood rats whose pathologies you champion.
Muay, just brilliant. "I just want the same consideration and freedom you have." I feel this way too.
Blacks can not realize true freedom. Freedom Failed for them. I am not sure that they ever will, even if they mimic white culture it does not come naturally to them. In the bad old days, we encouraged blacks to mimic whites and their middle class values. But then we stopped forcing them to comply, and look where we are.
I just want to be left alone. Period. Blacks can not play second fiddle to the white man, and so they must perpetuate a constant shakedown for handouts and pity, and yes, they do depend on white guilt and charges of racism in order to keep the gravy train going. Read Shelby Steele's "White Guilt".
I agree that blacks can escape evil YT, but whites can not escape the black undertow. Blacks are parasitic by nature, and produce nothing of value to whites. Even if a white man moves his family far into the sticks, the government will pick his pocket and rain money down on the poor, poor negroes in the inner-city. I have many white friends who experience this, and they would to love to opt out completely.
I woud love for Constructive Feedback to sit on my front porch one Saturday evening in the ghetto and watch the show for himself. We may even see a black crack hoe or a young black youth jumping my neighbor's fence while running from the police.
Trust me, he does not like authentic blacks either.
He is a liar.
Earlier this week there was a story in the War $treet Journal about a high school in Texas that has a $750,000 electronic scoreboard for its football team.
Football has replaced religion as the opiate of the people.
Pay no attention to the idiot with the boot on his head. Instead, look at the photos, and read the subtext of the story about the militarization of police. We, of course, see this as nothing surprising but even the delegates were "surprised" by this. I am wondering if the sheep will wake up prior to being taken to the slaughterhouse. The butchers are already well armed and ready. Again, MSM outlet...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/02/politics/rnc-protest-vermin-supreme/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
@ Convoluted feedback
"...At this point about 3 of your sycophants step in and say..."
Aw, poor, poor negro. Kinda tough, isn't it, when all of your shuckin' an jivin' don't amount to more than a hill of sh*t, right?
I, and others, have tried to explain to you that you are not surrounded here by what you are used to in public life. Where everyone is commanded, under threat of job loss and life destroying laws, to put up with you and your TNB.
And the thing is, you know it. You are on vapors, kept going only by the few here who "don't really think he's a bad guy, gosh darn it!" Most of us, however, see you for what you are: the "nice" negro who moves in down the block, only to be followed by endless, dumded down BS.
Go away, stupid.
-Sweep the leg-
Whiskey said...
"The sad thing is that in Football, Black athletes are yes, better, on average, and by a lot not a little, than White athletes.
They are faster, by significant percentages, quicker, by significant percentages, and stronger, by significant percentages, than comparable White athletes. This has led to total Black dominance in certain areas: WR, CB, Safeties, Defensive Line, RB, etc. The only positions where skill, built up over practice, coaching, and middle class extra/paid coaching, beat pure athletic ability, is QB, Kicker, and Offensive Line.
To get the best athletes and win at either the pro or college level, you MUST have mostly Black athletes at the positions where they make a difference: spots where being faster and stronger and taller beat skill and game intelligence."
Whiskey, I always look forward to reading your posts. So much of what you have to offer about cultural insights and all is very pertinent, fresh and interesting.
Yet, your adoration for black athletic ability smells of Kool-Aid consumption on the level of the typical SEC fan.
The only proof of black athletic advantage that has been offered is the existence of a hormone that is present in 95% of blacks and only 85% of whites or so, and which most elite short-burst athletes have.
You said that blacks, by significant percentages are quicker and stronger than comparable white athletes. As a matter of fact, of all the linebackers at the 2011 NFL scouting combine, the white linebackers on average outperformed blacks in the 40 meter dash, vertical leap, and 225 lb bench press. Those were the only three tests in which all of the candidates competed.
The only valid argument one could make in black superiority would be in sprinting in a straight line over 100-200 meters. Even then, white athletes have popped up and still won medals at the Olympics. Christophe Leimetre's European record of 9.92 in the 100 M would have been the world record a mere 20 years ago. Yet now compared to then there are far fewer whites even at the youth level running sprints.
As far as jumping and leaping events go, white men took 6 of the 11 medals (three athletes tied for bronze in the high jump) in the three leaping events in the Olympics, the Long Jump, High Jump, and Triple Jump including gold in the long and high jumps.
I have never heard any reasonable argument or ever seen it demonstrated that black men are stronger the white men.
The problem with your opinion that college and pro football programs absolutely NEED black athletes is that the mere belief in black athletic superiority distorts any objective evaluation of prospective recruits. If you already believe blacks to be superior, you will select a black athlete over a white athlete who may have performed better. Skin color doesn't win games are score points, so coaches should actually be color blind in their scouting, yet it has been proven that they are anything but.
Toby Gerhart by all objective measures had better college stats and performed better at the 2010 NFL combine than Mark Ingram did at the 2011 Combine. Yet Gerhart was taken in the 2nd round in 2010 with half the rookie contract salary that Ingram received being selected in the 1st round in 2011. Even an anonymous NFL scout stated that Gerhart would have been a lock for the 1st round if only his skin color was black.
Even if you believe blacks to be superior on average, you should suspend that belief because you will overlook talented white players even at the skill positions of WR (Wes Welker, Jordy Nelson), RB(Toby Gerhart), D-line (Jared Allen, Adam Carriker), LB (Clay Matthews, James Laurinaitis, Ryan Kerrigan), S (Eric Weddle, Eric Smith), etc. These are just players who have succeeded despite the prevailing attitude that blacks are better at their positions. Even the position of Tight End is majority black in the NFL, yet some of the top at the position are white.
It's like they're another species or something.
Allaway said ...' Every place goes down and comes back up eventually.' Isn't that what we were told about Detroit 30 years ago, 20 years ago,10 years ago, yesterday? If only the govt spent money on these blighted areas, it would all turnaround. The govt spent billions on Detroit and look at it today.
"What do you have to offer the people to come into the neighborhood?"
Not much. Just a reasonable assurance they are not likely to be raped, robbed or murdered.
Paul, I am reading Webster Griffin Tarpley's "Barack H. Obama, The Unauthorized Biography" just for fun.
I am finding that some of your ideas are very very similar to Tarpley's. Especially the idea of Corporate Collectivism. Tarpley talks about the the wealthy foundations and trust funds, including the Ford Foundation and its meddling in racial issues, funding race riots and the inner city Community Development Corporations (CDC), and for creating a festering sentiment of victimhood among blacks. Basically funding the entire black undertow and black degeneracy.
Have you read it yet?
"What do you have to offer the people to come into the neighborhood?"
Anon said: Not much. Just a reasonable assurance they are not likely to be raped, robbed or murdered.
I always like to read live accounts of ideas discussed on SBPDL.
The Indianapolis Children's Museum in in the black ghetto (cheap land). The houses around the museum is blighted, the houses are mostly Section 8 and crumbling, and the community is calling for the museum to take more accountability for the local blacks (gibs me dat). We have mostly liquor stores, BBQ joints, barbers hops, beauty supply stores, corner variety stores, home daycare centers and prostitutes.
Under pressure, they have formed a "Quality of Life" campaign, where residents and community "experts" (black affirmative action museum hires and DWLs) get together and talk about how to attract residents and businesses to this area (all the while "keeping it real" as a black ghetto at all costs...).
Oh yes, and our area has been designated a food desert and a "Weed and Seed" district. We have a Community Action Center and a CDC. Note, white neighborhoods never need ANY of this nonsense in order to thrive. Hmmmm. Wonder what the difference is?
Here are some links to the plan, it is amusing to read for Those Who Can See. Although hard to believe, silly programs like this really do exist. They forget to factor in shootings, black crime, black degeneracy, failed black culture, blight caused by blacks, white flight, and fear of black crime:
http://www.childrensmuseum.org/mid-north-quality-of-life-plan-unveiled
and
http://www.midnorthplan.org/
and here is one celebrating a black BBQ pit in the area:
http://www.liscindianapolis.org/
STL sez:
"...At this point about 3 of your sycophants step in and say..."
Aw, poor, poor negro. Kinda tough, isn't it, when all of your shuckin' an jivin' don't amount to more than a hill of sh*t, right?
I, and others, have tried to explain to you that you are not surrounded here by what you are used to in public life. Where everyone is commanded, under threat of job loss and life destroying laws, to put up with you and your TNB.
And the thing is, you know it. You are on vapors, kept going only by the few here who "don't really think he's a bad guy, gosh darn it!" Most of us, however, see you for what you are: the "nice" negro who moves in down the block, only to be followed by endless, dumded down BS.
Go away, stupid.
-Sweep the leg-
Thread winner hands down. Damn, you could be first mate on Unamusement's U-boat.
Yet if I point back to the days when the White Racist Criminal who terrorized Black people or "DWL" ....(is that your code word for White Liberals? "Dishonest White Liberals".
But the thing is, we are not living in those days. The amount of black-on-white violence today is all out of proportion to the relative numbers of each race in America. And not only the violence, but other dysfunctions such as illegitimacy and school drop out rates. This is not a contest to see which race is the "worst." It's about survival. Why do you think there has been white flight? Because white people do not like blacks for the color of their skin? Do you seriously think that people are going to pull up their roots, sell their houses at a loss, relocate their families, all simply because of their neighbor's skin color? Doesn't it bother you that blacks, after half a century of every government program they have demanded being implemented, have such high rates of dysfunction? That even blacks are fleeing from black-run cities because of their crime and et etcetera?
A point which has been raised on various race realist websites is: how many black-run cities (or countries!) demonstrate economic expansion, low crime rates, and the honest provision of basic services?
Would you care to talk about black crime rates not only in America but in black-majority-rule South Africa?
SBPDL puts under the microscope cities such as Birmingham, Detroit, Newark, etc., all of which used to be functional municipalities under white majority rule. Under black rule, they seem to have collapsed. You can criticize segregation all you want, but in those days these cities seemed to be places where people actually wanted to bring up their families and have a future.
Now maybe SBPDL is wrong. Maybe you, or a DWL, could name the black-run cities in America which are functional. If you can, please do so.
"DWL" = Disingenuous White Liberals.
Bogol: I don't care how well spoken Sweep The Leg is, I won't serve on Unamusement Park's Hate Submarine under any First Mate other than The Gratuitous French Girl.
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