Monday, June 11, 2012

The Funeral Pyre Has Been Built: Effects of Minority Mortgage Meltdown Become Clear

In his review of Escape from Detroit:The Collapse of America's Black Metropolis at AmRen, Gregory Hood notes this:
Fear not the future; it's only what you make of it.
Dreary as this all is, I believe it is cause for optimism. As Mr. Kersey says, “History is about to begin again.” In some of the largest cities in the country, the system is beyond salvation. This offers new opportunities for changing the debate and starting a new movement that might just save the white race—and keep the streetlights on. Detroit is hopeless—and that should give us hope.
Hope. In 90 percent Black Detroit, there is no hope. As noted in a PK column at VDare.com today, acceptable public debate has been incapacitated on the subject of the real reason behind Detroit's monumental collapse (Robert Putnam, The Detroit Corollary, And The Slamming-Shut Of The American Mind, June 10, 2012): to even broach the racial correlation to Detroit's demise in the public sphere would allow the genie to escape from the proverbial bottle that has been sealed shut by the most effective example of bipartisanship in the history of American politics.

One of the main inspirations behind the launch of SBPDL was Steve Sailer; I've long hoped he would finally get around to writing the book on his concept of the Minority Mortgage Meltdown (MMM) and was upon looking at the Drudge Report today that the reality of the folly of the MMM hit. The Washington Post reports:
The Great Recession wiped out nearly two decades of Americans’ wealth, according to government data released Monday, with middle-class families bearing the brunt of the decline.

The Federal Reserve said the median net worth of families plunged by 39 percent in just three years, from $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010. That puts Americans roughly on par with where they were in 1992.


The biggest drops occurred among middle-income Americans, whose wealth was inextricably linked to the housing market boom and bust. Meanwhile, the wealthiest families actually saw their median income rise slightly.

“It’s hard to overstate how serious the collapse in the economy was,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Analytics. “We were in freefall.”
The survey, conducted every three years, painted a portrait of consumers still under significant duress: Though Americans made progress in paying off their credit cards, the median value of family debt did not change between 2007 and 2010. The percentage of families saddled with debt greater than 40 percent of their income also stayed the same. More families reported being behind on their bills.
The implosion of the housing market inflicted much of the pain. The value of Americans’ stake in their homes fell by 42 percent in those three years to just $55,000. The poorest families suffered the biggest loss of wealth from the drop in real estate prices. But middle-class Americans rely on housing for a larger part of their net worth. For some, it accounts for just over half of their assets. That means every step downward is felt more acutely.
 40 percent of their wealth is gone. Middle Americans. White people. Hard working, honest, law-abiding people who do most of the living and dying in this country; who pay the brunt of the costs (and lost opportunity costs) of real Climate Change; who commute long distances just to give their children the chance to attend school's that are located in safe, orderly Whitopia's; who have now seen a 40 percent drop in equity in their homes.

It was in 1988 that the Atlanta Journal Constitution would publish Bill Dedman's first part of The Color of Money, a multi-part series that purported to show evidence of discrimination by banks in lending to the Black community.

In 2000, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development published a study called Unequal Burden in Atlanta: Income and Racial Disparities in Subprime Lending, describing the Dedman's study this way:  
a series of Pulitzer Prize winning articles about the geographic disparity in mortgage lending between black and white neighborhoods in Atlanta. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution series revealed that in 1986, Atlanta lenders originated six times more home purchase loans per owner-occupied housing unit in predominantly white as in predominantly black neighborhoods. A recent study concluded that although there had been improvements during the 1990s, disparities in lending between black and white neighborhoods continue to persist in Atlanta.
 Wait. So all The Color of Money showed was that white people actively sought home loans in greater numbers than Black people did in Atlanta? Well, yes. Somehow, this equals discrimination, even though Atlanta's Black community was (and still is) perhaps the poorest in the nation. Banks have a responsibility to lend money (which was deposited by individuals) that will have the greatest potential of being paid back -- to make money for the bank and its shareholders.

Black people always were (and always will be) a huge credit risk.

Here's what Dedman wrote in The Color of Money:
"We're talking about disinvestment, capital flight from the Southside," said Sherman Golden, assistant director of the Fulton County Department of Planning and Economic Development. "When the banks disinvest, the governments also find themselves disinvesting. To accommodate the growth on the Northside, all the public funds flow north. Southside residents put money in the bank and pay taxes, but their money is spent on the Northside."


Lower-income also affected
Although the Journal-Constitution study focused on middle-income neighborhoods, the results concern groups working to solve Atlanta's shortage of decent housing for the working class and the poor.
"As long as they won't lend in Cascade Heights, I don't know how we'll get them to lend in Cabbagetown or Ormewood


Whites receive five times as many home loans from Atlanta's banks and savings and loans as blacks of the same income -- and that gap has been widening each year, an Atlanta Journal-Constitution study of $6.2 billion in lending shows.

Race -- not home value or household income -- consistently determines the lending patterns of metro Atlanta's largest financial institutions, according to the study, which examined six years of lender reports to the federal government.

Among stable neighborhoods of the same income, white neighborhoods always received the most bank loans per 1,000 single-family homes. Integrated neighborhoods always received fewer. Black neighborhoods -- including the mayor's neighborhood -- always received the fewest.
 Basically what Dedman wrote here is this: Black people didn't seek out loans, but they should get them anyway. To make matters worse, banks in Atlanta pooled money together to offer low-income people (Black people) low interest loans.

The AJC would proudly report Home loan pool: Wish come true for some blacks but critics of past bias say banks 'not off hook' (Amy Wallace, August 4, 1989):

Last summer, after a series of newspaper articles about racially unequal patterns in home mortgage lending, several black real estate agents and five white bankers met one morning to discuss what could be done.
The bankers, shaken by the bad publicity, were eager to reach out to the black community. But what struck Miller Johnson Jr., a broker with Citywide Realty Associates Inc., was that they had very little idea how to do it.
"They didn't know where the Atlanta Daily World was. Now, how were they going to reach blacks without advertising in a black newspaper? I told them (it was on) Auburn Avenue, and one asked where that was," Mr. Johnson said. The street, historically the spine of black commerce in Atlanta, was a block from where they were sitting, in the First American Bank's Peachtree Street office.
The past year has been an education for Atlanta's lenders. Since May 1988, when The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that whites received five times as many home loans from Atlanta's banks and savings and loan associations as blacks of the same income, lenders have taken a number of steps toward better serving the black community.
Through four special lending programs, nine banks have lent nearly $45 million to more than 850 homebuyers in targeted low-and moderate-income areas. The $20 million Atlanta Mortgage Consortium (AMC), one of the largest lending pools, has hired a black-owned public relations firm. Several of Atlanta's majority-owned banks have had their first meetings with the all-black Empire Real Estate Board and have acted on some of its recommendations. One bank sent its employees on a guided tour of the mostly black Southside and adopted a blighted neighborhood, Pittsburgh.

 Later that year, Dedman would pen an article titled Federal study finds bias in lending across nation that purported to document discrimination in lending in not just Atlanta, but all of America. It wouldn't be until 1993 that this study was released (Dedman's article appearing in 1988, citing an "unreleased" federal study),  and it would take two enterprising journalists from Forbes to quickly squash the already entrenched notion of "discrimination." Peter Brimelow noted in a column at Market Watch in 2008:
I really did co-write the first one, for Forbes magazine on Jan. 4, 1993. The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston had just published a study purporting to prove definitively that mortgage lenders were discriminating against minorities, the hot cause of the day. 

But when my brilliant co-author, Leslie Spencer, asked the Boston Fed's research director, Alicia H. Munnell, what minority default rates were, she said proudly that census tract data showed that they were equal to whites. When Leslie pointed out that this actually proved there was no discrimination, because the lenders had somehow weeded out the credit risks down to the same acceptable level, Munnell was dumbfounded and had to concede (on tape) that she did not, in fact, have definitive proof of discrimination at all. (here's a link to the actual Forbes article, The Hidden Clue)
Flash forward to 2012: North Fulton has been paying 80% or more of the taxes to support South Fulton County (home to the Southside of Atlanta, perhaps the collection of the poorest Black people in all of America -- a reflection of their innate abilities to operate in either a white or blue collar world) for scores of years; now they are on the verge of trying to secede and form their own county.

The federal government vs. real-wealth creation (home ownership)
That same U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development study (Unequal Burden in Atlanta: Income and Racial Disparities in Subprime Lending) would report that in the 1990s, some pretty drastic measures went into effect to ensure Black people in Atlanta got a piece of the American Dream:
The importance of subprime lending to minorities and low-income Americans, which is documented in what follows, demonstrates how important it is to these communities that subprime lending not include any lenders engaging in predatory practices.
1.    From 1993 to 1998, the number of subprime refinance loans originated in Atlanta increased by over 500 percent. The number of refinance mortgages reported under HMDA by lenders specializing in subprime lending in the Atlanta metropolitan area increased from 1,864 loans in 1993 to 11,408 in 1998.
2.    Subprime loans are three times more likely in low-income neighborhoods in Atlanta than in upper-income neighborhoods. In low-income neighborhoods, subprime loans accounted for 21 percent of all refinance loans originated during 1998 – compared with only 11 percent in moderate-income neighborhoods and just 6 percent in upper-income neighborhoods.6 In the poorest communities, where median family income is 50 percent or less of the area median income, subprime refinances accounted for 43 percent of all refinance loans.
3.    Subprime loans are almost five times more likely in black neighborhoods in Atlanta than in white neighborhoods. In predominantly black neighborhoods in Atlanta, subprime lending accounted for 33 percent of home refinance loans originated during 1998 - compared with only 7 percent in predominantly white neighborhoods.
4.    Homeowners in moderate-income black neighborhoods in Atlanta are almost twice as likely as homeowners in low-income white neighborhoods to have subprime loans.    In 1998, only 9 percent of homeowners in moderate- income white neighborhoods have subprime refinance loans while 27 percent of homeowners in moderate-income black neighborhoods have subprime loans, which is almost double the 14 percent of homeowners in low-income white neighborhoods who have subprime loans.

In addition, a recent study by Abt Associates of foreclosures in Atlanta found that foreclosures of mortgages originated by subprime lenders have substantially increased since 1996 -- while the overall volume of foreclosures in Atlanta declined by 7 percent between 1996 and 1999, the volume of foreclosures started by subprime lenders grew by 232 percent.8 As noted earlier, this increase in foreclosures in the subprime market occurred amidst a trend of rapidly increasing subprime lending.
What does all this mean? It means that Bill Dedman's reporting helped usher in the Minority Mortgage Meltdown, because no one bothered to challenge him. The nobility of the Black person who wasn't even seeking a home loan was far superior to the bank or S&L which wasn't even aware it needed to lend to this borrower.

Now, more than 50 percent of the mortgages in metro Atlanta are underwater. The AJC reported today (Home sales up as prices plummet: Market reels from foreclosures, but volume may help housing in the end, Christopher Quinn):
For the fifth year in a row, metro Atlanta home prices are down — way down, according The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s yearly analysis of home prices and sales. 

The median sale price dropped nearly 15 percent across the region in 2011, to $115,000 from $135,000, the data shows. By a separate measure, Atlanta’s price index has now dropped almost 40 percent from its peak, to the same level it was in 1996.
And in a further sign of the region’s dysfunctional housing market, the price drop came even as overall home sales rose sharply in 2011, the most recent full year of data, and inventory fell.

Prices typically rise with stronger sales. But metro Atlanta’s prices are being pushed lower in part because foreclosures and low-end homes dominate sales, accounting for about half of all transactions in some areas.
And as the percentage of Black people living in metro Atlanta counties rises, the market will see even greater drops in home values, eventually rivaling Detroit. Just look to Clayton and DeKalb County for a glimpse of this future.

The Funeral Pyre has been assembled for what we have dubbed Black-Run America (BRA): fittingly, it rests in a city that General William T. Sherman once burned to the ground.

One can only guess what the net worth of your average metro Atlanta white family has plummeted to over the past three years as Black people flock to live in The Black Mecca, attracted by minority contracting positions mandated by both Fulton County and the City of Atlanta (not to mention Hartsfield International Airport)?

White America owes Black America nothing. Nothing.

Policies enacted by the federal government and mandated for compliance by big mortgage lenders (lowering income restrictions, down payments, and credit-worthiness for a home loan)  to ensure that  Black - and other minority - home buyers got a taste of the American Dream has ended in what Sailer calls the Minority Mortgage Meltdown.

That bipartisan refusal to talk about race is about to end.

71 comments:

Church of Jed said...

The equity wipe out from White homes has been the biggest loss of White privilege ever in this country. That's how you know the meltdown is secretly acceptable by the obmamanigs.

Anonymous said...

Metro Atlanta is overewelmingly black and still want more they end up whith nothing.

Bemused stare said...

The middle class got screwed and the rich made out like bandits. In other words, it all went just as planned.

Zenster said...

…to even broach the racial correlation to Detroit's demise in the public sphere would allow the genie to escape from the proverbial bottle that has been sealed shut by the most effective example of bipartisanship in the history of American politics.

Bipartisan is right and both parties must never be allowed to forget their complicity in deconstructing White America. No one political party could have done it on their own. This sort of socio-political train wreck requires teamwork and our elected officials time and again proved themselves capable of the task.

Meanwhile, the wealthiest families actually saw their median income rise slightly.

All of which demonstrates how America's vampire elite are in dire need of some disinfecting sunlight.

It was in 1988 that the Atlanta Journal Constitution would publish Bill Dedman's first part of The Color of Money, a multi-part series that purported to show evidence of discrimination by banks in lending to the Black community.

So, fine, Blacks got their wish and had almost totally unrestricted mortgage credit made available to them. Does anyone think that a single one of them heard that little voice whispering inside their head:

BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU WISH FOR BECAUSE SOMEDAY YOU MAY GET IT.

Whisper it did but nobody wanted to listen. Hell, it could have shouted and no one would have paid any attention.

"The gibsmedat is strong with this one."

But when my brilliant co-author, Leslie Spencer, asked the Boston Fed's research director, Alicia H. Munnell, what minority default rates were, she said proudly that census tract data showed that they were equal to whites. When Leslie pointed out that this actually proved there was no discrimination, because the lenders had somehow weeded out the credit risks down to the same acceptable level, Munnell was dumbfounded and had to concede (on tape) that she did not, in fact, have definitive proof of discrimination at all.

"Munnell was dumbfounded". I think we can safely leave off the "founded" part of that phrase.

… some pretty drastic measures went into effect to ensure Black people in Atlanta got a piece of the American Dream

Doesn't that word "drastic" give the full measure of what folly was involved?

Prices typically rise with stronger sales. But metro Atlanta’s prices are being pushed lower in part because foreclosures and low-end homes dominate sales, accounting for about half of all transactions in some areas.

Dare anyone note how probable it is that these foreclosed Black-owned homes are also most likely to be totally squalid and poorly maintained pest holes? Just watch that fact get swept under the already bulging carpet.

The Funeral Pyre has been assembled for what we have dubbed Black-Run America (BRA): fittingly, it rests in a city that General William T. Sherman once burned to the ground.

No small irony, that. Perhaps another "March to the Sea" is needed to cauterize this carbuncle on America's posterior.

White America owes Black America nothing. Nothing.

Preach it, Paul!

That bipartisan refusal to talk about race is about to end.

As a Spanish journalist once said:

AFTER A WHILE SILENCE IS NO LONGER CONSENT. TO REMAIN SILENT IS TO LIE.

Anonymous said...

A question. Given that restrictive covenants are illegal, how are whites going to stop blacks from swarming out of Detroit, et al, into white neighborhoods?

This will start the same cycle all over again. Is there a solution?

Johnny See said...

Sailer's article is a must read, and the final part is best:

"The question is, how can Barack Obama, a former community organizer and a charter member of the socialist, interventionist, Big Government Left, get us out of this mess?

Answer—he can't. He can only get us in deeper."

Exactly. BRA must end, and the invisible hand of the REAL market will force the hand of those in charge. Paul's 'visible hand of black economics' is just like black people in the main: childish and incompetent. Oh yes, and ruinous.

Programs, set-asides, handouts, quotas, ineptitude, illegitimacy, crime. All millstones around the neck of the white productive class. If one wants answers, it is usually best to follow the money when possible. Answer the question: What is the motivation to stunt the growth of the white productive class and who has the motive? Hint: If you have been reading here long enough you have already read enough to read between the lines, especially in the comments well moderated. Paul lets us speak (Thank you Mr. Kersey) in ways he might not wish to risk.
Thank you for risking as much as you have, Paul. Everything starts, and everything which starts will eventually stop... except perhaps time and stupidity, lol.

Anonymous said...

There is a storm coming. This you can count on...as soon as whites cannot Afford to move away from section 8 blacks and beaners.

Should've happened 50 years ago.

Paul's Biggest Fan said...

Zenster said: "The gibsmedat is strong with this one."

"There is a great disturbance in the gibsmedat. We have a new enemy...Atlanta. They could destroy us. The gibsmedat is strong with them. The son of Detroit must not become BRA."

Whatever it takes to end the empire.

Anonymous said...

(North Ga) I was reading one of the latest Zimmerman articles, one comment I really liked said, “Truth be known 90% of the Trayvon supporters would have shot him too”. A few were the normal ,”bone heads don't like work”, and “the drug dealing bums”, then the black boy comments. “Social Security is the nations largest well fare program there is. 73% white, 28% black, Ah! Who's the bum? The stinkweed has no clue how S.S. works. No idea that the 73% pay into S.S. through their jobs. S.S. benefits are deducted from their weekly paycheck from their work. I'm getting sick of how moron blacks keep trying, to one up on whitey, with uneducated attempts to hide their stupidity. He just proved everyone's point.

Anonymous said...

The bit about whites getting 5 times more loans than blacks...this would be normal wouldn't it? Considering the white vs. black population size. I am no mathematician but come on, even I know there would be a difference there.

And the predatory 'sub prime' lenders in black areas? This falls back on the 'gotta have it right now' mentality blacks have with instant gratification and their inability for delayed gratification. The latter does not compute in the negro mind. They willfully sign papers in the hopes of getting short term funding at quadruple the cost just for bling/swag/whatever they call it this week and other items of value to the negro.

I think a community will inherently represent the people who live in it. Shit people make shit communities. Tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead.

And now the gubment is claiming to help people swamped on their mortgages, but guess who is getting most of if not all of the 'help? Those same negroes and latinos who probably had no business borrowing in the first damn place.

It's enough to make one angry, especially when you try to do the right thing and are penalized for it, day in day out-and there is no help for us.

Laz said...

"Given that restrictive covenants are illegal, how are whites going to stop blacks from swarming out of Detroit, et al, into white neighborhoods?"

They price 'em out. Why do you think the average American home is three times the size and price it was 30 years ago?

Anonymous said...

I couldn't even get through the article, as of this moment. Not because it isn't brilliant, as I'm sure that it is, but because the negro fatigue...is just too overwhelming right now.

Having to live with with these people, and their politics and behavior, is an intolerably burdensome chore that just never ends.

I don't want to see them on TV, I don't want to her them talk about their politics, I don't want to hear any more white devaluation, I don't want to see any more magical Negroes, I don't want to see their dilapidated neighborhoods, I don't want to be subjected to their debased ideals of morality and government, and I don't want to read about their murders, robberies, and rapes.

Finding true medium-term reprieves from them might be the new art-form of the 21st century.

Anonymous said...

There is a storm coming. This you can count on...as soon as whites cannot Afford to move away from section 8 blacks and beaners.

I'm not sure if this is true or not. On the internet sure, but in meatspace it seems to me that those who have awoken are very few and far in-between, and the chasm just too large to get them to jump from "boy this neighborhood got shitty", over their white guilt and ability to rationalize, to righteous indignation.

Anonymous said...

"Munnell was dumbfounded."

"Math is hard."

Zenster said...

Anon (6/11, 2012 6:13 PM): Given that restrictive covenants are illegal, how are whites going to stop blacks from swarming out of Detroit, et al, into white neighborhoods?

One of the few ways is keeping property values high enough to where where Blacks simply cannot afford to move in.

As others have noted, it is also critical to monitor any attempts at seeding Section 8 housing transplants and reporting them to law enforcement for every last niggling violation of statutes or code. (Yes, "niggling"; look it up.)

This also should include publicly outing Section 8 landlords who allow sub-par tenants to defile rental properties.

For those who are in need of a Section 8 - .101 class, you could do far worse than scanning through the highly instructive comments so thoughtfully provided by RobertB in the "Take On Me" thread.

Repealing Jim Crow laws and de jure desegregation of public schools doesn't hold a candle to the destructive power of "scattered site housing" which cannot be interpreted as anything but a full frontal (minority-based) assault upon middle class White America.

Zenster said...

Johnny See: If one wants answers, it is usually best to follow the money when possible.

As any competent detective will tell you, in cases that are not "crimes of passion":

FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Put another way; Cui bono? (i.e., Who profits?)

Answer the question: What is the motivation to stunt the growth of the white productive class and who has the motive? Hint: If you have been reading here long enough you have already read enough to read between the lines, especially in the comments well moderated. Paul lets us speak (Thank you Mr. Kersey) in ways he might not wish to risk.

Ah, yup.

Zenster said...

Paul's Biggest Fan: "There is a great disturbance in the gibsmedat. We have a new enemy...Atlanta. They could destroy us. The gibsmedat is strong with them. The son of Detroit must not become BRA."

Thenk ewe.

Jay Santos said...

This orgy of sub-prime stupidity, engineered by the Feds to somehow benefit minorities, did cost real Americans, real money. A gigantically important contributor to where we are today financially.

Excellent topic and great work Paul.

Whiskey said...

Restrictive covenants are not coming back, sadly. To see why, follow the money.

A commenter asked upstream "who benefits?" and the answer is the entrenched "FIRE" interests: finance (which packages loans churned by continual White flight and Mexican immigrants), Insurance (same), Real Estate (which per the Chicago model makes out like a bandit) and the Entertainment/Media industry which appeals to the Oprah crowd.

As Steve Sailer noted recently, the way Chicago works, is wealthy families, developers, and the like use Black representatives cover to move out Section 8 urban housing to the suburbs to churn formerly depressed inner city real estate into high-rolling luxury condos. Thus the impetus for getting rid of Cabrini Green was to gentrify that part of Chicago for real estate deals by the connected.

Which only works by screwing out the middle class of their money.

Machiavelli wrote on this, that people will sooner forgive the murder of their parents than being made poor.

Zenster said...

Anon (6/11 7:42 PM): It's enough to make one angry, especially when you try to do the right thing and are penalized for it, day in day out-and there is no help for us.

Welcome to the world of BRA, where no good deed goes unpunished. Remember, Blacks wouldn't have it any other way.

Vincent Whiteshadow said...

I was a customer support rep at GE Money (Retail Cons Finance, Merriam KS) in the 2008-2010 timeframe. I was there when B-Ho was elected. A lot of whooping and hollering. Before the election there were pictures of Obumble (but not McCain/Palin) all over the place. I mean with official imprimatur.

MSNBC was the only programming ever allowed on the TVs in the break room.Everyone was sick and tired of Rachel Madcow but no change was allowed.

We were up to 31% APR interest on store cards when I left. On the account I was on we had 50% blacks, 25% mestizos (many went to the Spanish line, so I did not deal with them) and the rest whites with a smattering of orientals and Indians.

The blacks would consistently max out their cards and stay maxed out, paying the ruinous interest until they went bust. Of course some Whites did too but the disparate patterns were so distinctive everyone saw it.

My favorite calls, I have to admit were the people who got the letters advising them of ups in the interest rate and calling to close the account. Eighty percent white those were.

Break up GE into small pieces, the more the better, for the White people in particular, I say.

(Oh, and by the way-the facility HR 'man', also the head of the LGBTA affinity group had a cute nickname for Ann Coulter when she would come on the MSNBC screen. He called her 'Dash Nine'. Get it?)

So CAL Snowman said...

OT - WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH THE DIEversity in FLORIDA??

Woman Set Ablaze and Chased with Knife at Florida 7-11

This shit is just getting crazier by the day! There's no doubt we are living in a third world nation. It's like the USA is a giant used toilet except some one plugged in a Glade Air Freshener to cover up the smell and now that it's running dangerously low we are starting to get a BIG WHIFF of reality.

Van said...

Not lending to (unqualified) blacks is racist. Then, lending to blacks who can't actually afford their loans is racist.

In the 80s, NOT having stricter penalties for crack vs. coke was racist. Now, having stricter laws is racist.

When blacks had less access to the internet, that was racist. But now, having more access to the internet is racist.

Seeing that blacks tend to behave differently is racist. Not accepting the different behavior of blacks is racist.

We could go on forever with these contradictions.

The typical person wants to be good and decent, with "good and decent" sometimes subjectively defined by the culture in which one lives. Today the worst you can be is "racist" so "good and decent" is "not racist" - only its impossible to be "not racist."

No wonder so many people are losing their minds.

Anonymous said...

I'm not normally a spelling tyrant, but headlines should be correct. "Effect", not "affect".

Anonymous said...

When the money is worthless & BRA falls, THEN the South will rise again.

It will be the dawning of a New Age.

Bogolyubski said...

Zenster: "The gibsmedat is strong with this one."

Shame on you! I had to clean off my monitor after reading that! (I'm still damn-near in tears).

Anonymous said...

What if it doesn't end?

What if whites would rather die than talk honestly about race?

And what if our leaders know this?

Anonymous said...

"There is a storm coming. This you can count on...as soon as whites cannot Afford to move away from section 8 blacks and beaners."

It will be a nasty, vicious time. Please prepare.

Bogolyubski said...

Anon. asks an excellent question:
A question. Given that restrictive covenants are illegal, how are whites going to stop blacks from swarming out of Detroit, et al, into white neighborhoods?

This will start the same cycle all over again. Is there a solution?


Short answer: Nothing will stop them. It's even worse than that, though. Go to the other thread (on Buffalo) and read RobertB's superb explanation of how the Section 8 program works. It's yet another example (along with the MMM referenced in the article) of the putative "opposition" party (Republicans) working hand-in-glove with genocidal leftists of the ruling oligarchy. The only solution is regime collapse. The sooner the lawless regime falls - even if it is to Muslims (God forbid) - the greater our chance of survival. That's how bad it really is.

Put briefly: Not only will groids move out of the shitholes they created (like Detroit) to colonize new areas, the regime in Sodom-on-Potomac is using your tax dollars to move them to nice neighborhoods in full collusion with local politicians, real-estate racketeers, and slumlord property owners - who are the ultimate ones receiving the payments. "Creative destruction" is one word I've heard used to describe the process. "Blockbusting" is another. They even move welfare queens to small towns in the middle of the country. The opportunities there for associated feral black males are nearly endless: pharmaceutical entrepreneurship, lots of easy-pickin white girls and wiggas, etc., etc., etc.

flyingtiger said...

Cump Sherman did not burn Atlanta. It was either an accident or sabotage. Not that Cump cared.
When thinking about Atlanta and Detroit, always remember, that these are the smart ones.

Anonymous said...

Given that restrictive covenants are illegal, how are whites going to stop blacks from swarming out of Detroit, et al, into white neighborhoods?

They can't, and haven't.  The former boundary at 8 Mile Road is now north of 11 Mile, and ghetto enclaves have formed in Mt. Clemens and as far northwest as Novi.  Problem populations are present in places many miles (ten, a hundred) beyond that.  I am seeing complaints of ghetto-rat behavior in Cadillac!  Cadillac is 100 miles from the nearest real ghetto enclave in Bay City; it's 140 miles from Flint and 200+ miles from Detroit.

All it would take to get rid of them is to eliminate their Section 8 eligibility, but our officials are under enormous pressure not to do that.  It'll take someone brave enough to tape-record the hysteria and threats coming from FedGov when someone tries to enforce the law to expose the mess and put an end to it.  I have no idea what sort of pressures FedGov can apply to whistleblowers, but I'm willing to contribute to a legal defense fund to make it less one-sided.

Anonymous said...

All this points up something: that no matter how many programs are implemented in the name of civil rights, there is no satisfying the race hustlers. So why bother? It's like giving in to blackmail.

"Truth be known 90% of the Trayvon supporters would have shot him too”.

Funny.

And probably true!

Johnny See said...

Heh, found this gem for you all...
OT a bit but worth a laugh. Seriously, WTF?

Who's your baby's Daddy?

The following are all replies that Detroit women have written on Child
Support Agency Forms in the section for listing 'Father's Details,' or
putting it another way...Who's your baby's Daddy? These are genuine excerpts...from the forms. Be sure to check out #11, it takes 1st prize and #3 is runner up.

1. Regarding the identity of the father of my twins, Makeeshia was fathered by Maclearndon McKinley. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of Marlinda, but I believe that she was conceived on the same night.

2. I am unsure, as to the identity of the father of my child as I was being sick out of a window when taken unexpectedly from behind. I can provide you with a list of names of men that I think were at the party if this helps.

3. I do not know the name of the father of my little girl. She was
conceived at a party at 3600 East Grand Boulevard where I had sex
with a man I met that night. I do remember that the sex was so good that I fainted. If you do manage to track down the father, can you please send me his phone number? Thanks...

4. I don't know the identity of the father of my daughter. He drives a BMW that now has a hole made by my stiletto in one of the door panels. Perhaps you can contact BMW service stations in this area and see if he's had it replaced.

5. I have never had sex with a man. I am still a Virginian. I am awaiting a letter from the Pope confirming that my son's conception was ejaculate
and that he is the Saver risen again.

6. I cannot tell you the name of Alleshia's dad as he informs me that to do so would blow his cover and that would have cataclysmic implications for the economy. I am torn between doing right by you and right by the country. Please advise.

7. I do not know who the father of my child was as they all look the same to me.

8. Tyrone Hairston is the father of child A. If you do catch up with him, can you axe him what he did with my AC/DC CDs? Child B who was also borned at the same time.....well, I don't have clue.

9. From the dates it seems that my daughter was conceived at Disney
World. Maybe it really is the Magic Kingdom .

10. So much about that night is a blur. The only thing that I remember for sure is Delia Smith did a program about eggs earlier in the evening If I had stayed in and watched more TV rather than going to the party at 8956 Miller Ave., mine might have remained unfertilized.

11. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my baby, after all, like when you eat a can of beans you can't be sure which one made you fart.

FSR said...

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/18750965/2012/06/10/seven-arrested-in-mob-style-muggings

Eight arrested in mob-style muggings, 17 at large

Posted: Jun 10, 2012 8:03 PM CDT Updated: Jun 11, 2012 8:59 PM CDT
By Tisha Lewis, FOX Chicago News Reporter
By Craig Wall, FOX Chicago News reporter

CHICAGO (FOX Chicago News) -

The Chicago Police Department has a new plan to combat the violence that led to several mob attacks in the Gold Coast over the weekend.

Three people were attacked in two separate incidents, leading to the arrest of eight teenagers.

The Fraternal Order of Police tells Fox Chicago News that starting this Thursday, the department plans to start using a mobile unit of officers working on their days off to respond to trouble spots around the city.

"It's a band aid approach on a manpower hemorrhage. It's a good start but you can't continue on at that pace, you can't have officers working six or seven days a week on an extended basis, you're going to burn them out," said Pat Camden, FOP spokesman, adding what the department really needs to do is hire more officers.

On Sunday night a 36 year old doctor, walking in the 800 block of North DeWitt, was attacked and beaten by a large mob of teens. No one was arrested.

On Saturday night two people were assaulted near State and Illinois. In that case police arrested eight teens on charges of mob action. Eighteen year old Mitchell Cordarrowe, who lives in the 5900 block of South Indiana, was the only one charged as an adult.

"I can't believe this is happening a second year in a row, I don't see why people feel the need to attack innocent people at once and I feel bad for the police because I don't know how they're gonna stop this, said Erin Kannett, manager of Sophia's on Oak Street.

On Good Day Chicago, Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy vowed to move quickly.

"We have to get the cops out there at the places where these events are likely to happen. This is something that happened last year, we got on top of it immediately and we knocked it right out and we're going to do the same thing now," McCarthy said.

Along Michigan Avenue tourists and locals went about their day, many oblivious to the weekend violence, but others vowing to be more careful.

"It's scary because I have children, young children myself and we've been walking the streets in Chicago, shopping and it's very scary," said Andrea Wittmar, visiting from Evansville, Indiana.

Many others share her concern and hope police get a handle on the mob attacks before they get out of hand.

FSR said...

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/10/10-arrested-for-downtown-muggings/

Eight Teens Charged In Mob Attacks Over The Weekend
June 10, 2012 6:02 PM

...

CBS 2’s Mai Martinez reports the most recent attack happened Sunday night in the 800 block of North Dewitt Place in the Gold Coast neighborhood.

A 36-year-old man was walking home from work around 10 p.m. Sunday, when police say he was robbed and attacked by anywhere from 10 to 20 people. The man was taken to the hospital with a head injury, but he was able to walk on his own after the attack.

...

Streeterville resident Thomas Traub said when he heard about the Sunday night attack in the neighboring Gold Coast neighborhood, he was “shocked.”

“Things like that don’t happen in this neighborhood, and they shouldn’t happen,” he said. “I’m wondering where all the police are.”

The victim from Sunday’s attack told police had no idea why he was targeted.

The randomness of the attack had many people living in the area worried about their own safety.

“I might be hurt. My wife might get hurt,” Traub said.

Police said Sunday’s victim was not robbed, but at least two other victims were robbed during attacks and muggings downtown on Saturday.

When a group of people attacked two men in the 500 block of North State Street shortly before 10 p.m., one victim was left with a broken jaw, the other suffered a cut lip.

The suspected muggers were in a group that fled southbound after the attacks, Mirabelli said, but officers were able to catch up to the group on Kinzie Street between State Street and Wabash Avenue. Ten people were arrested.

One adult – 18-year-old Mitchell Coradarrowe, of the 5900 block of South Indiana Avenue – was charged with felony mob action and aggravated battery. Seven others, ages 13 to 16, were charged as juveniles with felony mob action.

A second attack reportedly happened about 10:30 p.m. Saturday at the State/Lake Red Line subway station, when a mob attacked a couple near the Chicago Theatre. No one was arrested in that attack.

...

A handful of other incidents were also reported over the weekend. Just before 9 p.m. Saturday, a “large fight” broke out in front of the John Hancock building, police said. No injuries were reported, and officers made no arrests.

On Sunday, police swarmed to the North Avenue Beach after reports of fighting. Police say a small fight escalated into a larger one around 6 p.m.

The beach was closed soon afterward. At the time, there were no lifeguards on duty.

Anonymous said...

Some have argued that the current administration is "bad" for blacks, because they too have lost savings, etc. At least this is said of the black middle class.

What this ignores is that there is no indigenous black middle class, but only an artificial creation based upon government jobs given mostly to angry black women, and private AA enforced by government. And it is questionable whether blacks have any savings to begin with. Blacks are not future oriented.

Left on their own, blacks will revert to Detroit style living. But that is not the amazing thing. The amazing think is that such living is their natural lifestyle, and they will enjoy it.

George Romero said...

Very interesting , Bill Dedman and co..., should be on alot of people's shitlists.

Anonymous said...

Emma West showtrial put back to 6 17 2012.

Anonymous said...

(N.GA) Correction to my comment, then the black boy comments. “Social Security is the nations largest well fare program there is, only white people call it a retirement plan 73% white, 28% black, Ah! Who's the bum

Anonymous said...

Paul, I don't know where you get the energy to do all that you do and I appreciate it. That said, the title should be "Effects", not "Affects" - a common mistake.
Please don't post this.

Cheers,
Call Me Ishmael

Anonymous said...

“Social Security is the nations largest well fare program there is, only white people call it a retirement plan 73% white, 28% black, Ah! Who's the bum
Somebody needs to tell this guy how SSI works. SSI means Social Security INSURANCE. If you are under 62 years old and receiving SSI then you have to be disabled or have a diability. The majority of the white population that's receiving this have more than paid into it. If I were given back the amount I have paid into SSI and invested it into a high yield account the return would be far greater than I hope to expect in the future. Well Fare?

Anonymous said...

Atlatna is a third world cesspool, but the new Civil Rights Center will help people ignore the stench?

http://www.ajc.com/business/civil-rights-center-moves-1456171.html

Bob1313 said...

They price 'em out. Why do you think the average American home is three times the size and price it was 30 years ago?

This doesn't even work anymore, nice little 98% white Centerville Ohio, nice store fronts, shops, clean and formerly 100% safe.

Enter a 20 unit apartment building that sold for $800,000 5 years ago, it gets listed the feds purchase it for $1.4 mil, using your "white" tax dollars, they immediately evict all the tenants and move in 20 units worth of human garbage straight out of hoods of west Dayton, worst part is that the racist Obama admin is using your money to cut your throats, this shits got to stop now.

Anonymous said...

@vincent whiteholder, help us out with that dash-nine joke about ann coulter?

Anonymous said...

It's amazing to me that FOX Chicago hasn't started the ball rolling on the need for concealed carry in Chicago to engage the Feral Black Swarm Militia invading the business and cultural districts.

It could be your standard TV "story" where they would ask non-black tourists and residents about how useful it would be for citizens to be armed when encountering attacking "youths" engaged in their urban "hip-hop" behaviors. They could then go to a suburban gun shop and ask customers about how they feel that Illinois is one of the few states that deny citizens concealed carry.

They could in the end of the story point out that retired cops can carry concealed but that the politicians refuse to place any trust in the citizens who pay the politician's salaries.

Are you listening, Fox Chicago?

Sheila said...

Pricing out blacks only works up to a point. Here in my north Texas suburb, even the highest-priced neighborhoods attract a large number of Chinese, Indians, and Iranians. Get enough of these, and the wealthiest Whites move on, and "middle income" blacks start moving in. That's where we are now. I'm going to have to do a lot of research to find where we're moving to in a few years' time, because I continue to read of this other sort of "diversity" even in some smaller, rural areas that are almost all White.

Blacks are either predators or parasites. There's no middle ground, and the top 1/10 of the top 1% (that's the true size of the mythical "talented tenth" - not 10% but .10%) cannot possibly counteract the problems of the rest. We're far better off without all of them. For someone raised as a knee-jerk liberal, it's somewhat amazing to me that I today can echo George Wallace: Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. Of course, deportation remains my favorite option.

Anonymous said...

Trial junkie here. Yesterday, I had a visit from a cousin who has lived almost her whole life in the Detroit area. Her residence was Plymouth, in the Northwest corner of Wayne county. According to Wikipedia, It is (or was) 96% white.

She and her husband are moving to a Whiteopia in Tennessee, where she was born but her family left when she was a small child.

Zenster said...

Anon (6/12 8:13 AM): They could in the end of the story point out that retired cops can carry concealed but that the politicians refuse to place any trust in the citizens who pay the politician's salaries.

Are you listening, Fox Chicago?


Saudi oil tycoon, Prince Alwaleed, is Fox's fourth largest investor. Do you really think that he would approve an editorial slant which could give American citizens the least sort of advantage during a terrorist attack?

AmericanGoy said...

Off topic (not really):

Chicago is becoming interesting.

The Red Line "El" train service is shutdown, but only on the South Side, so that the "keeedz" cannot use it to invade downtown and Northside.

Shut down for 5 months (wow!).

The Mayor is desperately fighting for longer school day, so that the Chicago Public School inmates... err, "keeeeedz" who are predominantly black (and mexican, but the mobs are 100% black "keeedz") become exhausted.

It is not working - last weekend hordes of blacks invaded downtown and Navy Pier, in groups of 10 to 100 (!), I have never seen it that bad.

Second city cop did a writeup, and so did I on my blog.

It was never this bad here for as long as I have lived here.

Discard said...

Anon at 10:22 PM asks :What if Whites would rather die than talk honestly about race?"

Then we, you and I and everyone else here, need to lead. No, we don't need to yell "Nigger Nigger Nigger", but we need to ease the discussion our way, and not flinch when somebody challenges us. Know your subject, and know that there will be people in the room who silently agree with you. Your example will encourage them.

Bogolyubski said...

Whiskey is correct. The rapacious oligrachy of bankstas, real-estate racketeers, slum-lord "entrepreneurs", race-hustlers and genocidal anti-racists all benefit tremendously from section 8 blockbusting and churn. Section 8 is a favorite tool of the refugee racketeers, who recently imported this Rhodes scholar from some African shithole to Albuquerque.

There is no actual opposition to the program. Note that even back in the days of "welfare reform" the Repukes - in their typical treasonous lying manner - did not abolish the program. They had the votes and the popular momentum to do so at the time. Instead, they "reformed" the program to make it more "business friendly". Pricing blacks out of the market doesn't really work, since the forces with access to Uncle Benny's drive-thru trash-for-cash discount window have what amounts to unlimited funds.

Anonymous said...

@June 11, 2012 9:44 PM

Ghetto Blobster?

Anonymous said...

@June 12, 2012 7:29 AM

This fella in Buffalo seems to have found the solution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB8H0G9cjk0

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to the billboard campaign? You know, the one that was supposed to start in April?

AmericanGoy said...

OK... this was obvious for some time...

This was a scam by the elites from the get go.

First, the government (under bush 'w') made a communist policy of everyone deserves a home.

His speech (part of):

"You see, we want everybody in America to own their own home. That’s what we want. This is — an ownership society is a compassionate society."

Don't ever tell me the republican party is conservative in any way when they have communist policies.

Next, the professional race hustlers got involved, with policies that punished banks for not lending to deadbeats.

The banks got into the act, and marked each loan as pure profit on their books (credit on the ledger), no matter who the loan was to... after all, the property values kept rising and they would for eternity...

For each loan, the bank peons got a bonus, of course...

Time passes, and banks start to discover that (shock! horror!), some of their loans were made to morons, thieves, or people who could not or would not pay.

In fact, a lot of these loans were bad.

But the bubble continuation would prolong the good times, as people who bought houses took another loan(s), with the house as collateral, to buy bling, TV's, cars, etc etc etc.

The economy was booming and EVERYBODY was happy.

But, since the loans started getting bad, something needed to be done.

So the geniuses bundled the loans together, got the insurance to insure them, and started to trade them. I know, makes no sense, but it sure helped the Finance Insurance Real Estate (FIRE) economy.

Banks were happy, insurance was happy, and real estate was doing brisk business.

The whole house of cards had to, of course, fall apart, as all the "credits" on the ledgers were not being worth more than $0, and you could only sell so many "bundles" (financial instruments in the vernacular) to suckers for only so long...

And there were a lot of bundles to peddle...

And there you go, the financial crisis.

More here:
http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-financial-crisis-came-about.html

Anonymous said...

The Wealthy got Wealthier because Obama decided the Banks needed the money more than the Citizens did. I will ignore all rational thought and Blame Mitt Romney for it.

Anonymous said...

"Don't ever tell me the republican party is conservative in any way when they have communist policies."

But this was Compassionate Communism.

Zenster said...

Bogolyubski: Shame on you!

You are most welcome.

I will remit a credit order in your name at Monitors Я Us.

Anonymous said...

The simplest and most effective Romney commercial.

A picture of BHO in front of the Presidential Seal.

Caption: "He Ain't Us."

Followed by: "This is Mitt Romney and I approved this message."

Zenster said...

Anon (6/13 6:28 AM): A picture of BHO in front of the Presidential Seal.

Caption: "He Ain't Us."

Followed by: "This is Mitt Romney and I approved this message."


Mittens is not in possession of adequate scrotal endowment required for such truth telling.

Svigor said...

I think the primary talking point for quotas is they're selective - racist. The left want quotas for banking and prison, because they help blacks. No quotas for welfare or tax income (or the NBA), because that would hurt blacks.

Sure, let's have quotas. Let's bring bank loans for blacks up to their proportion of the population. But let's have quotas; let's bring blacks in the NBA down to their share of the population; blacks on welfare down to their share of the population; tax revenue from Whites down to their share of the population; Harvard spots for YKW down to their share of the population. Et cetera.

Otherwise, STFU about quotas.

Svigor said...

A question. Given that restrictive covenants are illegal, how are whites going to stop blacks from swarming out of Detroit, et al, into white neighborhoods?

This will start the same cycle all over again. Is there a solution?


"Given that Free Association is illegal, how are Whites going to exercise Freedom of Association?"

Of course there's a solution: restore our lost Freedom of Association. A sustained legal campaign would be a start.

Repealing Jim Crow laws and de jure desegregation of public schools doesn't hold a candle to the destructive power of "scattered site housing"

The destruction of the segregation regime pales next to the construction of the integration regime, in terms of damage done. They're the same crime, perpetrated by the same people, though - just done in the name of two different beneficiaries (Whites and blacks, respectively).

Not lending to (unqualified) blacks is racist. Then, lending to blacks who can't actually afford their loans is racist.

I think this is my favorite part of the whole mortgage meltdown.

Truth be known 90% of the Trayvon supporters would have shot him too.

One thing that occurred to me a couple days ago is how Team Trayvon has jumped on the side of the street, and used the police in their talking points. What's interesting to me is how this highlights their sociopathy (use ANYTHING to achieve their ends). If Zimmerman had been a cop, they'd be lynching the police. But since he was neighborhood watch, they make a big whoop-de-doo about how Zimmerman was a wannabe cop, how he was wrong for not leaving policing to the police, etc. And suddenly, the police are wrong for letting a NAM off the hook, rather than wrong for framing a NAM. But the big thing here is how quick they all are to claim policing neighborhoods as the sole domain of the official police forces, how we should all obey 911 dispatchers' hints as if they are the holy writ of the Lord, etc. It all seems pretty carefully crafted to get under the right's skin, and it's all dripping with the usual leftist sociopathy (the means - lying, cheating, stealing - justified by the ends - get YT).

It's funny, but I hadn't really considered how silly the left's "law and order" pose in pursuit of "justiss fo Team Trayvon" really is until recently.

11. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my baby, after all, like when you eat a can of beans you can't be sure which one made you fart.

Haha! It takes a village to raise a child. A lot of them were conceived by villages, too!

“Things like that don’t happen in this neighborhood, and they shouldn’t happen,” he said. “I’m wondering where all the police are.”

Wow, I'm wondering where spines and the Right to Bear Arms are. Funny how we're so different that way.

This mob thing is really a gift, when you think about it. 2 black yoofs = harder to see coming. 20 black yoofs? Pretty obvious what's up. High-capacity mags for all!

It's amazing to me that FOX Chicago hasn't started the ball rolling on the need for concealed carry in Chicago to engage the Feral Black Swarm Militia invading the business and cultural districts.

There should be a study of the selective effect of abrogating the Right to Bear Arms. Are there any real men left in Illinois?

Anonymous said...

20 black yoofs? Pretty obvious what's up. High-capacity mags for all!

With that many targets you can use a concussion grenade.

tsnamm said...

Hey Paul, great article, the continuing redistribution of wealth from the white middle class to the black unproductive class by all means possible......the same thing is at work with car loans as well...if you notice(and I have) that if you go into any shitty black neighborhood you will see more expensive German autobahn cruisers per capita than in any white upper class or rich neighborhood you could choose...I'm sure the repo rate must be astronomical, but the lenders keep making the loans to any welfare crack head and the dealers are in on it too...it sickens me to be working 50+ hours a week and have to drive a car with 200,000 miles on it since I can't afford a car payment now, and to see some shiftless lazy scwoog cruising the ghetto in a 2012 Escalade...been like that for years ...all sponsered and implemented by OUR government at our expense....

Anonymous said...

I am also a GE employee: I work on the "Dash Nine".

Seeing as it is a (large freight) locomotive, my guess is that the implication is that she does as locomotives do:i.e.,pulls a train.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_Dash_9-44CW

I hadn't heard that one, but I have heard GOP insiders say that Coulter is known for a less than conservative private life. Not that I care.

There's no question that GE is a very liberal, politically correct culture and that upper management is a leftys only club house. Having been a Friend Of Bill-the wrong one, William L. Pierce-I learned early to keep any non-PC thoughts off the workplace. That said the company has great benefits and is generally very fair to workers. Our industrial and commercial products are mostly quite good and you advance as high as your abilities permit regardless of politics until you hit a fairly high local level. If you're not PC but don't do anything offensive mid level management is attainable.

Discard said...

Anon at 5:14 PM: I understand that Ann Coulter has a Black "boyfriend", openly displayed. Mudsharks are not conservatives.

Zenster said...

Anon (6/12 7:51 AM): help us out with that dash-nine joke about ann coulter?

GE Dash 9-44CW = Large Diesel Train Engine = Locomotive = Old Locomotive = Coal Fired Boiler = Coal Burner = White Ann Coulter + Black Boyfriend

Anonymous said...

"Pulling a train" means accepting repetitive sex partners by a female. As I write this there is a graffito on the men's room wall in Building 2A of the BNSF Argentine Yard (south of the hump yard): "I pull trains" "You slut". So it is still common slang. No one on the yard is over 60 or so.

It must have been around at least by the late 50s because I've seen it in old pulp novels about "motor-cycle hoodlums" predating the Sonny Barger era.

I knew Coulter was a slut-she almost admits as much-but had no idea she was crossing the race line. Doesn't shock me. (Disappoint yes, shock no.)

"Coalburner" for mudshark or more generically whigger is a recent phrase. I am a student of railroad culture as well as a railroader and the only implication 'coalburner' ever had until recently was just that, a steam locomotive not burning wood, propane or fuel oil (like UP 844 has for fifty years). The few steamers running excursion trains still burning coal have to arrange for water (i.e., the fire department has to come out) and coaling at someplace on a yard with no flammables around, and neither BNSF nor NS will put up with the bother. (UP forbids foreign steam on its trackage altogether, purportedly for track abuse concerns, but really because they have their own steam program plus vintage diesel and the board has several people who want the program cut).

By the way, no one likes GE engines that much. Not only do they load up poorly, they idle so rough you can't sleep while sitting in a siding somewhere. EMDs are louder, but that's what ear plugs are for.

Anonymous said...

Bill Kirchen (Asleep At The Wheel) has called his favorite guitar "The Coalburner" for decades.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous railroader at 10:06 PM on June 16, I first heard the word coalburner, meaning a mudshark, about 35 years ago. It was an east coast Italian saying it, so it might not have been known out west.

GE engines are a bitch for yard switching, the way they load up so slow, then the power comes on hard.

Former hostler.

Anonymous said...

Heavy steam at speed and modern continuous cast welded steel rails are a disaster waiting to happens, which is why the cost of running the steam program for UP includes the logistics and expense of following the train with a track geometry car before running anything else on the track. Note the TG car has to follow the train by many minutes as it can take that long for track to "spring".

GE engines are four stroke cycle, turbocharged diesels and as the previous commentators said are not responsive to fast changes in power setting. Or, "loading up", as we say in the rail service. EMDs are two stroke cycle and respond quickly.

In the end, the four cycle has won because the future of yard service belongs to hybrid "genset" switch motors. They replace heavy railroad diesel engines with multiple modular "gensets" using commodity truck engines (they can also be leased out for standby utility power) and banks of 6 volt golf car batteries. None of this is railroad specific either, which is why it's cheap. One benefit to the railroad: the gensets are swapped out as units and maintained by contractors.

Scabbed out. Just like our whole nation.