Alton, Illinois is a city that has just shown us a glimpse of Black Run America. Worse, it reminds us of a scene from the 2000 film American History X, where Derek Vinyard's father - a fireman - has just been killed trying to put out a fire in an all-Black area:
Reporter: [Rasmussen shows a video of a crying Derek with his mother talking to a reporter after his father's death] Look I know this is tough. But how do you feel right now?Well, truth is sometimes stranger then fiction as an unruly mob of hundreds of Black people attacked firefighters and police over the 2010 July 4th weekend:
Derek Vinyard: How do you think I feel? I think it's typical.
Reporter: Typical how?
Derek Vinyard: Well, this country is becoming a haven for criminals so what do you expect? You know, decent hard-working Americans like my dad are getting rubbed out by social parasites.
Reporter: Parasites?
Derek Vinyard: Blacks, Browns, Yellow whatever.
Reporter: I don't understand you're saying that you think maybe your father's murder was race related?
Derek Vinyard: Yeah it's race related! Every problem in this country is race related not just crime. It's like... immigration, AIDS, welfare those are problems in them. The Black community, the Hispanic community, the Asian community, they're not white problems.
Reporter: Derek, are those really issues that deal with poverty?
Derek Vinyard: No. You know, no. They're not products of the environment either that's crap. Minorities don't give two shits about this country, they've come here to exploit it not to embrace it.
Reporter: What does this...
Derek Vinyard: I mean millions of white European Americans came here and flourished you know within a generation so what the fuck is the matter with these people going around shooting a... fireman?
[cries]
Reporter: What does this have to do with the murder of your father?
Derek Vinyard: Because my father was murdered doing his job! Putting out a fire in fucking Nigger neighborhood. He shouldn't be giving a shit about. He got shot by a fucking drug dealer who probably still collects a welfare check!
First responders from the Alton Fire Department and five officers from the Alton Police Department were attacked by a crowd of several hundred people in the Oakwood Housing Complex who shot large bottle rockets at them. The incidents occurred late Sunday and early Monday in the 700 and 800 blocks of Oakwood.The same July 4th weekend saw another Flash Mob incident in Philadelphia. The same July 4th weekend saw the huge "Taste of Chicago" event ruined by aggressive violence perpetrated by Black people. It's becoming obvious that a "Taste of Chicago" is nothing more than ever-escalating violence."I'm so angry," said Alton Police Chief David Hayes. "This type of conduct is not supposed to happen in civil society. This was obviously intended to be entertainment for the crowd."
Hayes added that the crowd's actions were "despicable and turn my stomach."
The confrontations began at 10:20 p.m. and within the 40 minutes it took to resolve the first incident, police were attacked three times. It started when a firetruck was dispatched to extinguish a Dumpster fire in the 700 block of Oakwood and was immediately attacked by the crowd shooting and throwing fireworks at them.
According to two police reports, Patrolman First Class Walter Wetzstein and several other officers already were on their way to the scene because of the "large amounts of fireworks being set off at that location." Both reports stated that in the past, fires have been set to "lure the fire department out so they could be attacked by fireworks."
When officers arrived, they too were attacked "by the mob" with bottle rockets thrown from behind buildings. Police responded with pepper-ball guns and at one point pursued attackers in an attempt to restore order. Officers left when firefighters were able to extinguish the Dumpster fire but quickly returned to the housing complex because of reports of people shot or injured in the 800 block of Oakwood. Police did not find anyone injured but again were attacked by fireworks and again deployed pepper-ball guns to prevent attacks.
Officers were attacked a third time in the 700 block of Oakwood when they responded to reports of a truck fire; that turned out to be a box on fire. Officers had to leave when their pepper-ball guns were out of ammunition.
At 12:29 a.m. July 5, police and fire personnel again were dispatched to the Oakwood Housing complex for a Dumpster fire in the 800 block of Oakwood. Officers were attacked with bottle rockets and again deployed pepper-ball guns. When the fire department put out the fire, police requested the Dumpster in the 900 block be soaked down in an attempt to prevent it from being set on fire. Officers left at that time to respond to other calls.
"The Fourth of July is always a very busy time for us because of fireworks. It's unfortunate that resources were tied up for a couple of hours like this" when the rest of the city might have needed them, Hayes said.
The city has taken a more proactive approach this year in curtailing the private use of fireworks. The Telegraph printed a letter from Mayor Tom Hoechst stating that fireworks were illegal in Illinois. Individuals found to have them or be discharging them would receive a non-traffic citation and would have to appear before a judge and ordered to pay a fine. If they failed to do so, a warrant would be issued for their arrest.
"The sad reality is there were likely a number of adults who participated or were spectators. They're just showing their kids 'this is the way we have fun on the Fourth of July.' It speaks to the poor parenting skills they have," Hayes said.
The police are reviewing videotapes to see how they can follow up with charges.
"If nothing else, we can identify the residences people were going in and out of and talk to them," Hayes said.
Hayes said he spoke with management of Alton's Housing Authority and they "share in our horror." He said the two departments will work together to prevent problems next year.
Andy Hightower, the Alton Housing Authority's manager, did not return a reporter's call Monday afternoon.
"This is as aggressive as I can remember an attack (of fire department personnel)," Assistant Fire Chief Tom Chappell said. "It's a bad situation when people who are sworn to help get attacked."
"It's disheartening and I support Chief Hayes' investigation into this 100 percent," Alton Fire Chief Greg Bock said.
Bock said first responders are unable to help others in an unsafe environment. He did not recall similar incidents last year but did say he has been to "dozens of incidents that involved grass fires, brush fires, EMT calls, all associated with private use of fireworks. What goes up has to come down and that creates a hazard not only for spectators but also the first responders."
The pumper truck received "no real damage" from the fireworks and a bottle rocket put a dent in one squad car. The report did not mention injuries to city personnel but one officer was sent to Alton Memorial Hospital to speak with a juvenile and her mother who claimed the girl was struck by a pepper-ball.
What transpired in Alton is a sad reminder that many of the questions posed in the film American History X were left unanswered. As Thugreport.com shows, the majority of the crime committed in this country has a startling connection.
This has been ignored for far to long, and will continue to be ignored until it is too late. Already this story has been removed from the Fox affiliate in St. Louis website, showing that the face of criminality must be covered up or not reported at all.
The questions raised by American History X will go unanswered and firefighters and police will continue to put their lives on the line... for nothing.
163 comments:
Absolutely unreal. I found this quote to be especially amusing "It was an annual event, you know. And I feel that we were just acting like we normally act every Fourth of July," said resident Raheem Smith.
Yep boys will be boys nothing to see here except cops and firemen getting ambushed by a horde of savages.
Flash mobs, gang assaults and now this. Segregation anyone? Before the BRA utopia kills us all off.
Eerie parallels to Katrina. You cannot ask for help, attack those who help you, and then accuse the same people of racism when they stop helping you.
American History X is interesting. The director eventually disowned the final product because of studio interference/ editing. It's one of those movies like Scarface. It was made to decry a certain lifestyle and ends up unintentionally promoting it.
Fledgling drug-dealers love to watch Tony Montana sniff mountains of cocaine, yet they ignore the implications of his death. Skinheads love "American History X," because they obviously focus on the first half.
We can't say we weren't warned:
http://foseti.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/review-of-dreams-die-hard-by-david-harris/
(...)
Here is a kid from Oregon coming to Mississippi to tell people there how to live. Whites in Mississippi suggest that this will ruin their cities, cause crime, ruin their education system, etc. The kid from Oregon wins and goes back to exclusively white areas, leaving the whites and blacks in Mississippi together to figure out what to do next. The predictions of the whites come true and meanwhile Sweeney is back in Northern California, Oregon or Massachusetts staying well away from large populations of blacks and being considered heroic. I'm not suggesting that it was wrong to allow blacks to vote, but the historical results are not as clear cut as we would like. To top it all off, Sweeney eventually becomes racist . At one point in the book Harris quotes him saying that he, Sweeney, grew to hate black preachers while he was in Mississippi – apparently he believed these preachers just wanted to have sex with white girls.
(...)
American History X--that's a good movie, especially the part when he changes his opinions. Good white nationalist reactionary! *pats his head*
Where's the clip when Derek Vineyard's in the pin? The man who poked him in his brown eye is one of the sexiest men I've ever seen.
I guess the lesson learned here is don't respond to black cries for help. Let 'em burn.
Eerie parallels to this story: http://www.ems1.com/ems-products/ambulances/articles/769035-South-Africa-paramedic-hijacked-raped/
"ROODEPOORT, South Africa — Two paramedics were hijacked and reportedly raped in Roodepoort, west of Johannesburg, while responding to an emergency call."
"American History X--that's a good movie, especially the part when he changes his opinions. Good white nationalist reactionary! *pats his head*"
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You also forgot it was a wise-cracking witty black guy who's gentle wisdom showed him the error of his ways. It is Hollywood after all. The truth can only be portrayed as a lie. Just because the imaginary movie character is shown denouncing his former viewpoints as wrong doesn't make those point actually wrong.
The authorities should march in there today and swiftly remove each and every one of these people AND their children from the rolls of welfare, food stamps, section-8, AFDC, free cell phones, free charter school vouchers. Why do these violent criminal morons get to fire things at the police and continue to steal money from the hard working American taxpayer? I am sure that they have no freaking idea why we even celebrate Independence Day.
Rape and violence is a typical reaction to speech black people don't like.
Taking pot shots at firemen coming to their neighborhood to put out a fire is a long-time favorite sport of black people.
This is the end of American History X:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ZZTtg1nOY
The viewer of the film never had many of the questions Derek poses in the scene where his dad is murdered answered.
He accepts the error of his view that America is a failed state through the prodding of his Black pedagogue.
And then, just went everything is fine and you believe that America can survive the experiment of diversity, Derek's brother is gunned down in cold blood for professing beliefs counter to the mainstream.
Indeed, the movie almost gives the impression such a slaying is justified.
The future for a lot people will always be the ending American History X... I'm reminded of Disingenuous White Liberals like Amy Biehl and the former student president of the University of North Carolina.
When I first say the movie 10 years ago ( I was in high school ), a sudden sense of dread came over at the end of the film.
The viewer is told to find the views of the Neo-Nazis repulsive, but the only justification for this reaction is because of the contemptible people who espouse those ideas in the movie.
I'll say this now and it might upset many readers of this blog and have them forever swear of this site, but it needs to be said:
Black people (and all non-whites) will view Jewish people as white, regardless of the elaborate fantasies that Jews run the world and seek the domination and eventual ruin of white people.
Look, American History X brought up legitimate questions that will never be answered in Black Run America. They can't be.
The ending to American History X is one of the more shocking endings to a film, but it also says something to me that few films would dare point out: there is no escape whitey.
You can renounce your views, but your all Nazis to us.
To see the eventual finality of this morbid play, consult the film "Second Civil War".
Indeed, God help us all.
Ive yet to see proof of this but rumor control has it that the ending the writer wanted was Derek standing in front of his bathroom mirror shaving his head.
We can have this idiot shouting for the deaths of white children and that gets little attention in the media.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDsTvKvV_hg&feature=player_embedded
Is it beginning or has it begun?
"Just because the imaginary movie character is shown denouncing his former viewpoints as wrong doesn't make those point actually wrong."
Well, in theory, that is true. Changing one's viewpoints do not invalidate former opinions. But, seeing that Derek went from a violent, murdering Neo-Nazi back into a nuanced idealist, I'm pretty sure the indictment of his previous viewpoints is well-placed. They were, after all, stupid, inflammatory, and completely against harmony and peace. I would say the same for my former conservatism.
Some people on here have said they were former 'DWLs' and now are...like you guys. Would you not say their former positions were less-than to their new ones? I'm just saying...
"Indeed, the movie almost gives the impression such a slaying is justified."
I never got that the slaying of Ed Furlong's character was being shown as justified. I always lamented over his death. I was disappointed that the black youth felt so victimized by smoke being blown into his face that he'd be willing to put himself in jail. It's silly. All violence is silly and pointless. I thought that was the point?
American History X is pure fantasy but I've heard it happening. I've seen that film a billion times. The plot gets old and you can poke holes into it but that man--'Huge Aryan' as they called him--hot stuff! I watch the film for him. No guy crushes on 'Huge Aryan'? Any takers?
Just let it all burn to the ground. If innocent peop;e get killed in the process. Simply chalk that up as shit happens. No emergency pesronel should have to risk even more danger to do an already dangerous job.
Why don't these stories make the news?!?
hehehe
Maybe it's because of the way the fire department refused to help after Malcolm X's house was torched. Or how they refused to help as an entire city block of 65 houses burned downed in Philadelphia (the source of the 'flash mobs', lol) after cops shot tear gas, and over 10,000 rounds into a house for two hours, and a helicopter dropped a "four-pound bomb made of C-4 plastic explosive and Tovex, a dynamite substitute, onto the roof of the house without any prior warning."
You also failed to mention that many of the residents of Oakwood Estates were literally forced to go to places like that when the projects in Chicago (Robert Taylor Homes, etc) were shut down. I've lived for extended periods in both Philly and Chicago. No surprise there, huh fellas? In some of the worst neighborhoods, too. I lived two blocks from the Robert Taylor Homes, which used to line State Street. You don't even bother mentioning how the cops and fire department took hours to show up when the towers caught fire. I'm sure most of you have never even seen pictures of those projects, but many of the windows used to be surrounded by soot. Big long swaths of it, snaking up the sides. I have watched fires burn from my window for far too long without even the hint of a siren from a fire truck. Plenty of police sirens though! I've watched cars burn in the street. I've watched cops shoot people in the back of the head. But you guys wouldn't know anything about that, would you? I've seen shit you guys wouldn't believe because it goes contrary to your firmly established beliefs.
It's all just so one-sided. You guys love playing innocent, don't you?
Anything that drowns out doubt, huh?
Yeah, I guess you should just accept the fact that the same fate that met the Native Americans, and the Africans, etc, is waiting for you.
Every action requires an equal and opposite reaction.
So, if in the past the some fire departments weren't putting out fires in some black areas when they were called upon because some of them were too busy wearing sheets and setting those fires, then in the future some black areas will call upon them to shoot fireworks at them.
I'm not saying it's whitey's fault here! I'm saying it makes sense! It's poetic. Many black people thought the actions of many firemen were appalling and inhuman as well!
The best part of the movie was the hard fucking scene. And the curb stomping of the colored gang members.
The changing part was PC bullshit.
I'M DA BEST, MANE. I DEED IT...
-ALVIN GREENE
"The world will not be a decent place to live until the last child of the last bigot is dead"
-http://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1581201&postcount=52
"Skinheads love "American History X," because they obviously focus on the first half."
Skinheads hate American History X.
It is possibly the single largest crock of shit ever foisted upon movie audiences.
"American History X--that's a good movie, especially the part when he changes his opinions."
Real life is the exact opposite.
Whites are raised to treat everybody equally, irrespective of skin color. White parents teach their kids that racism is wrong.
Then one day you realize it was all a big lie. You spend years observing atrocious black sub-human behavior, and then you finally embrace the reality that they are parasites who will destroy anything and everything they touch.
It is simply who they are, they are the same throughout the entire world, and they not going to change.
If I was one of those fireman, I'd just turn my hose on them like the good old days.
"The best part of the movie was the hard fucking scene. And the curb stomping of the colored gang members."
And Jesus wept...
LOL.
Anonymous said...
"The world will not be a decent place to live until the last child of the last bigot is dead"
-http://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1581201&postcount=52
July 7, 2010 1:37 PM
Guessing you're omcheeto? wow you are so deep...now go peddle your pedagogous prattle somewhere else. enjoy your 15 nanoseconds of fame, is that what you do? Just go around hyperlinking at different blogs what is something you presumably wrote about MLK in a thread on physics forum? wow you're pathetic. What do you think about this quote?, "If we judged them (blacks)by the content of their character, they'd be begging us to judge them by the color of their skin"
The reason American History X is ultimately cowardly is sort of complicated. Rape in prison is normal, with intra-group rapes of course being commonplace. Whites rape whites, blacks rape blacks, etc. But the vast majority of rapes are committed by black men against white males (No Escape, Human Rights Watch). What if Derek, after renouncing the Brotherhood, was raped by the black man he befriended, as well as several other black men?
If he had still managed to give up racism and preach against it, the story probably would have been regarded as implausible, because very few men could be that Christ-like. The typical reaction would have probably been something more along the lines of: "I hate n------ because they raped me."
Unfortunately, after a very cinema-Verite first act, the film succumbs to Hollywood pressure by turning the black man he encounters in prison into the ubiquitous magic negro. We might as well be watching Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman at this point.
Racial lines are a little bit looser with older cons, who are given more latitude. But two young men, one white and one black, in the late twentieth century, forming a friendly relationship in a California State Prison? If the Edward Norton character had not been raped by blacks at this point, he would have been murdered (not raped) by the white supremacists.
Prison politics were mutable up until about the late Sixties. The Mexican Mafia was co-founded by Joe "Peg-leg" Morgan, who was a white man, but he had grown up in the barrios and was fluent in Spanish. The character in "X" was a middle-class white male who had curb-stomped a black male in the free world.
No, sorry, this movie is about as accurate as "The Green Mile."
I shouldn't have approved all of these comments, but there is something strange about this film and its place in American pop culture.
Apparently, the FX channel plays it all the time now and its appeal is growing.
When I first saw the movie it resonated with me powerfully.
It was this film that I realized there is no way to argue against many any of the points that Derek brings up.
Call them racist and labeling them neo-nazi is the best Hollywood could do (I'm talking exclusively about the non-Jewish parts).
Again, people might attack me for not wanting to bring up Jews, but I don't care. This blog is about SBPDL.
Besides, Jews will always be white to non-whites.
The movie American History X is one I didn't want to bring up here, but the story out of Alton, Illinois struck me with the frightening parallel to the scene where Derek's dad is killed.
As to the anonymous poster who quoted MLK Jr, regarding the world being safe when the last bigot is dead... grow up.
I have no time for goofy platitudes. It was Black people en mass who attacked firefighters and police trying to there job, not firefighters and police keeping down Black people a la Birmingham 1963.
American History X shows us that there exists only one last gasp for the current ruling regime - label anything against it Nazi, even Jews who oppose Black Run America.
Some have foolish embraced the trappings of this term and become "Neo-Nazis", others have tried to form a nebulous group under the banner of "Tea Party" activists.
There is simply this: those who love Pre-Obama America and those who oppose what that nation represented. Those who agree with what Michelle Obama said about finally being proud of America and those who look at their grandchildren with looks of melancholy, knowing what they have been born into.
All I'll say is this: The same world that saw a film like American History X made (and sees the DVD continue to sell well and the film be played on cable constantly), can't be that bad.
The fact that people at my university used to joke about the film in a positive manner and admit they like it, means something.
Like Boondock Saints, it is a cult classic, but for very different purposes.
Why do you think Lord of the Rings resonated with so many people?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFBA82BS5fA
There are plenty of Black people who are good, hard working individuals. They bemoan Black Entertainment Television and understand that something is terribly wrong.
But an individual a majority does not make.
"Maybe it's because of the way the fire department refused to help after Malcolm X's house was torched"
LOL @ the excuses that blacks come up with to explain their subhuman behavior.
Priceless.
"There are plenty of Black people who are good, hard working individuals."
This is true, and I know that it's wrong to lump them in with the masses.
However...they tend to be just like the Muslims who refuse to speak out against Islamic terrorists...or the pro-lifers who remain silent when an abortion clinic is bombed...they're cowards who fear being ostracized, so they keep quiet.
Everyone knows that the first half of the movie is the whole movie. The second half was only required to get the movie made. If the Derek character never changed that movie would have never seen the light of day.
I stop watching when right after he goes to jail. 10/10 great movie
"Maybe it's because of the way the fire department refused to help after Malcolm X's house was torched. Or how they refused to help as an entire city block of 65 houses burned downed in Philadelphia..."
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Sorry, blacks burn down their own neighborhoods and I am supposed to pity them? Sorry, I don't pity stupidity. Or is the black penchant for pyromania also whitey's fault? I know, I know, we should never have given them fire.
"Well, in theory, that is true. Changing one's viewpoints do not invalidate former opinions. But, seeing that Derek went from a violent, murdering Neo-Nazi back into a nuanced idealist, I'm pretty sure the indictment of his previous viewpoints is well-placed. They were, after all, stupid, inflammatory, and completely against harmony and peace. "
As for being against harmony and peace... well that describes the majority of your race, and their daily behavior. What do you propose we do with them?
But you are correct in how the change is portrayed. In Hollywood Land, going from realist and despairing to ignorant, fat, dumb, and happy IS considered an improvement. Well, it is as long as you are a white taxpayer.
SBPDL,
In my younger days my friends and I would fire bottle rockets at one another every forth.
It was because we were immature douche bags who at the time believed that sort of thing to be funny.
Lets bare that fact in mind while discussing this "awful" attack on those poor firefighters.
-Black guy
"Whites are raised to treat everybody equally, irrespective of skin color. White parents teach their kids that racism is wrong."
I have no idea who said this, but it is the funniest quote I have ever read on this blog, hands down.
-Black guy
"Then one day you realize it was all a big lie. You spend years observing atrocious black sub-human behavior, and then you finally embrace the reality that they are parasites who will destroy anything and everything they touch.
It is simply who they are, they are the same throughout the entire world, and they not going to change. "
Exactly, and all this altruism foisted upon the public is going to evaporate in an instant when people are fearful for their lives and uncertain of their next meals origin. Hungry stomachs make poor idealists. Realism is bound to make a roaring comeback, and I for one welcome our new "nazi" overlords, be they white or jew LOL
And it is very easy to answer the questions poised by the movie. You just may not like all of what you hear. That's all. For instance, he talked about the millions of white European Americans that flocked to this continent. But did he even once mention the Native Americans? I don't even recall if they were mentioned once in the entire movie. Yes, slaughter is the true foundation upon which this country is built. There is no reversing that. There are only two million of them left now! And many are blighted by poverty, addiction and alcoholism. Why do you think that is? The Native Americans didn't even have alcohol until the Europeans came. Black people didn't even have crack before the CIA came. These are documented facts. There is no avoiding these questions when any question about the plight of the white man in America is raised. Nothing exists in a vacuum. I am just as much against social injustice directed at whites as any other race. It simply doesn't surprise me, given the unalterable history of this nation. I guess I have a pretty karmic viewpoint, make of it what you will.
All I'm saying is that your blog really isn't actually helping anything. I know you might respond by saying that your intentions are merely humorous, but we both know that's not true anymore, if it ever was.
You use loaded language and terms and extremely selective examples and topics to prove what, that black people as a whole have been traumatized by racism?
"They bemoan Black Entertainment Television and understand that something is terribly wrong."
What do you think is wrong? You are aware that BET gets almost ALL of their money from white-owned corporations, aren't you?
I've done the reverse of this (and still do frequently whenever I come across something that doesn't vibe with me), to try to broaden my understanding, but I'd like to see if you might try a mental experiment. Try to think like a black person as often as possible for just two weeks. Put yourself in what you might imagine to be their shoes. Give them a history coming up in, oh, say, Philly, in the ghetto, surrounded by poverty and violence and, seeing as how all black people capable of holding any conversations today came up in a pre-Obama world, an almost unflinching racism that told them how they were destined to behave and think for the rest of their lives based on little more than the color of their skin and the actions of a few their angry fathers.
Would you do that?
I wonder.
black people are the missing link
"black people are the missing link"
LOL! Your neural pathways are missing a few links.
*poof*
"I have no idea who said this, but it is the funniest quote I have ever read on this blog, hands down."
Laugh if you want, I couldn't care less.
If you believe that white parents do NOT teach their kids that racism is wrong, then please make your argument.
I have great confidence that you'll make an utter fool of yourself.
LOL Hillary is still blaming whitey.
How original.
Since Hilarity (or an interchangeable member of his troop) has eschewed his former pseudonym in favor of the more distinctive "Anonymous," I'll henceforth address him simply as "Clyde."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFFr91atHqE
Clyde,
You say, "The majority of black men have not...(followed by a series of manifestly black social pathologies). Yes, and the majority of black African prostitutes don't have AIDS either--I do hope this knowledge will induce you to have much unprotected sex with a great many of them.
and further you whine..."one that doesn't actually care as much about them as it cares about their own bottom line." My goodness. You mean there are whites so malevolent as to care more about their own welfare than that of the violet, entitled, and parasitic blacks who despise them? This rends the heart.
And more, "the immigrants, many of whom just want to escape the hellish conditions." Indeed they do. Hellish conditions exist practically everywhere there is a black majority. And if white tourism and/or charity ended, you could remove the "practically." The problem for soon-to-be formerly first-world countries is thus: taking a gaboon viper out of its habitat and putting it in your living room will not make it begin quoting Chaucer while having a spot of tea. In fact, you will soon find yourself greatly regretting that there is a highly fecund venomous reptile in your midst. But this lament may only be mentioned sotto voce, for fear of being labeled a speciesist.
Finally, "Black people didn't even have crack before the CIA came." No the poor dears were utterly bereft of this critical resource which, like so many others, had to be provided through white charity. Though I have to admit I find it galling that my tax dollars are funding warehouses full of crack kept full by unionized CIA longshoremen and teamsters. The crack being perfectly free to blacks at convenient retail kiosks, of course. What will the white devils think of next?
I should clarify something. I am not a nazi, nor do I agree with the Nazi's. All of that is bullshit, Hitler was bullshit.
But, that curb stomping is surely how you deal with an attacking savage. That was self defense really, not sure why he went to jail. Maybe because he stomped him after he was no longer a threat perhaps.
Aside from the Nazi crap, That is how whites should be. If someone wants to chimp out on you, then you get redneck on their ass. They got a gun? Pull yours. Self defense is a beautiful thing. So is curb side denistry.
As far as the sex scene. Very nice indeed. Hard angry thumping. One of my favorites. Along with the Bathroom hump scene in "The Wrestler", and the Horse track hump scene in "Crank 2: High Voltage" , very classy.
Now imagine if that white kid was carrying a gun at the end. You would have had a dead negro, and a happy, less PC ending. Altho it does show what letting your guard down towards blacks will do to you.
"Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!"
Are we living in the planet of the apes? LOL.
-anon 6:02
I was actually mulling over what you were saying until i read this little gem
"The problem is really not race. It is class and corporate greed. Racial issues are just a symptom. A difficult one to overcome, but a symptom nonetheless."
The problem really is race. Sorry, black people are pretty consistent worldwide. Your college indoctrination changes very little of that. Reality and truth are harsh masters indeed. Genetic research is indeed beginning to show that not all races are the same, for a long time this kind of research has been actively suppressed in the west out of political considerations, but now it is china that is taking up the torch. The truth, that which everybody has always known and suspected, is going to finally come pouring out. Your cliched platitudes of class warfare will mean very little at that point. Sorry, but man was not created equally. All races of man did not evolve the same.
You sound like an educated person, its a pity that you took the whole leftist, marxist crap hook line and sinker. It would benefit you to try thinking outside of the box. How about instead of being a leftist shill, you instead try being an individual.
Finally answer me this one question, I have only ONE question. It is quite reasonable as well. Please give me a reputable link or explanation as to why racial differences end at the brain? Why are blacks, whites, asians, etc so physiologically different (both externally as well as internally, i.e. skeletal structure, bone density, bloodtype frequencies, etc.) but yet for some reason their brains should remain untouched by the same evolutionary factors that influenced everything else. Can you explain this adequately to me? Why would the brain be exempt from evolving when everything else did? I mean, are somehow the genes that control the development of the brain totally in isolation from the rest of the genes? If so, by what mechanism? (gene class warfare? LOL) Thats all I ask of you, to explain why the brain (an organ like any other) would be untouched by evolution, genetics, etc etc.
Oh yeah and one more thing, I looked over the links you posted. You do of course realize that not every reader here is a skinhead neonazi. (in fact probably nobody at all) Most readers here aren't in gangs, beating up minorities, etc. etc., rather we are just people who have formulated our opinions as a result of our own personal experiences. At the risk of sounding disingenuous i will go ahead and inform you that I personally have black friends, but that doesn't mean that I automatically become blind to the fact that the majority of black people act deplorably. So there ya go, in spite of my dislike of black people in general I still manage to have friends that are black. Wow, i must really suck at this whole neonazi thing huh? but why am I telling you this? I dont give a damn what you think. So go on back to your black and white, good and evil world, and leave the shades of gray to the adults.
"Or how they refused to help as an entire city block of 65 houses burned downed in Philadelphia (the source of the 'flash mobs', lol) after cops shot tear gas, and over 10,000 rounds into a house for two hours, and a helicopter dropped a "four-pound bomb made of C-4 plastic explosive and Tovex, a dynamite substitute, onto the roof of the house without any prior warning."
Way more to this little piece of info. The black guy that headed up the MOVE organization was a third grade drop out. Stunning credentials there, but I digress. See for yourself.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-3BzrSVK0g
You say the movie fails to deal with the american indian issue? It's a movie about race relations in CA, not an all encompassing racial biopic, so I do not see why it should, it is irrelevant. Group A competes with group B. The story is the same the world over, it matters not what group A or B are, only that they have different enough that their interests clash. Maybe that's what you mean by "The world will not be a decent place to live until the last child of the last bigot is dead". You mean the world will not be a decent place for YOU to live until everyone who disagrees with YOU is dead, because their viewpoint negatively affects YOU. How is that any different than "The only good Indian is a dead Indian"?
"Yes, slaughter is the true foundation upon which this country is built. There is no reversing that. There are only two million of them left now! And many are blighted by poverty, addiction and alcoholism. Why do you think that is? The Native Americans didn't even have alcohol until the Europeans came."
One group of people dominating another is the way the world works. The Indians did it among one another, and were extremely cruel to competing tribes. Writings by Indians of that period, not their modern-day whining descendants, state quite clearly that they respected the white man because he took what he wanted. I doubt they would think much of the modern white man.
Ironically, when white men conquer a nation, the inhabitants are usually the better off for it. But the welfare of groups with competing interests is not the responsibility of those with whom they compete. You are actually engaged in the same thing. Blacks are not of the majority so they seized upon emotional manipulation of whites to gain benefits for themselves, earned or otherwise. Whites do not benefit one iota from social integration with blacks. In fact, they almost universally suffer. Look at the trajectory cities, neighborhoods, and schools follow once integrated. You seem to believe that it is white people's racial responsibility to suffer those consequences due to supposed "injustices" committed by their forefathers. I reject your thesis because it is not in compliance with natural law, ie "reality". Groups will naturally seek conditions which benefit themselves. You see this play out every day. It is known as white flight. What do you suppose it is they are fleeing? When whites loose that ability to flee they they will become more violent in order to compete with groups around them that use violence to benefit themselves. This is why you don't see very many wealthy skinheads. Platitudes, mantras and idealism are the salve of the soul that desires to see the world as something other than what it really is.
You said your buddy abandoned "racism" once he joined the military. Well in that environment it was in his own economic best interest to do so. The PC agenda has made that also true for the majority of the white population. When economic conditions make that situation untenable, you will see a shift from the economic "tributary" system of self-segregation whites currently engage in ie "white flight", to a more tangible type of racial conflict, ie poor whites in the south after the civil war.
Whenever you engage in idealism at the expense of reality, you sow the wind. And this nation will reap the whirlwind. But I do not think you personally are engaged in idealism. You are just as racist as the whites you condemn, you just lack the intellectual integrity (or wisdom) to admit it. You drape enough platitudes on your racial self interest to convince yourself you appear noble.
Remember,
I don't make the rules, I just have to live with them, and so do you.
The questions raised by American History X will go unanswered and firefighters and police will continue to put their lives on the line... for nothing.
Indeed. I'm glad you brought this up, SBPDL. I too was very disappointed in American History X and haven't had a place to discuss it among like-minded individuals until now. AHX brought up a number of fundamental questions and then pretended it had answered them when it had done nothing of the sort. But I guess that's the beauty of fiction; you always get the answers you want regardless of feasibility. An author can put the words of Aristotle into the mouth of a skin-wearing, fire-worshiping savage, and those who don't know any better will believe what they've just seen.
The majority of black men have not been to prison. The majority of black men are not in gangs. The majority of black men are not rapists. The majority of black men are not murderers.
Irrelevant. Black men do do these things far out of proportion to their overall numbers. Per capita, the black population has a far higher number of criminals than probably any other race in the U.S. Leftists tend to think that a majority or the absence of a majority always proves something, but very often this is not the case.
And you can whip up whatever reason you like for black misbehavior, but you're only creating inorganic constructs and declaring them to be true. Nature doesn't care about your declarations. Black criminality stems from a mean IQ of 85 and everything that follows it, including putting inordinate value on instant gratification and a propensity for savage violence. Genes are destiny. All else is merely tap-dancing around the truth, and efforts to bring the Negro up to the level of the Caucasian will always end in failure.
"Try to think like a black person as often as possible for just two weeks."
I try to do this quite often. I wonder why poor blacks in my urban surroundings (I am in the thick of it...) can not even work up the energy to wash and feed their children, to brush their teeth,to comb their hair, pick up the trash in their yards, to pull up their pants and cover their drawers to look presentable, to put on a shirt, to say "please" and "thank you", to stop using their welfare checks to buy fireworks, designer basketball shoes, cell phones, satellite dish TV and liquor, and feed their kids instead. These are just basics of being human! To underclass blacks, life is one big party, 24/7. They drink bottled water and eat from styrofoam plates. They throw fits like a child when they don't get their way, they are obsessed about being "black first" and keepin' it real, VERY confident of their position in life, very vain and arrogant and in your face. They talk loud and over each other, spew ignorance, play loud offensive music from their vintage cars with thousand dollar spinning rims. They say "motherf**ker" every other word. This does not make me feel one ounce of compassion. I feel more compassion when I step on a bug. If they were not on the dole and out government was not funding their fun, I would not worry and just stay away from them. They are partying on my dime while I work just to feed and clothe my kids. I don't see much desperation, just a lot of bad behavior and mismanagement of valuable resources. This nonsense has to stop.
I liked it when Bill Cosby said that the first step would be to parachute drop psychiatrists into black neighborhoods.
"You are aware that BET gets almost ALL of their money from white-owned corporations, aren't you?"
LOL Blame-whitey-blame-whitey-blame-whitey.
Same old song and dance.
The viewers are BLACK, the programming is based on what BLACK people want to watch.
To act as if historically whites were the only ones bent on violence and warfare is pretty laughable. Native Americans and Africans were battling each other for generations before the "evil white man" even showed up. As Bertrand Russell said, war was a sport, and Europeans made it a science. Our only crime was winning a war in which pretty much all of the people of the earth were engaged. Even during the height of slavery in the US, there were more sub-Saharan African slaves (enslaved by blacks) than the white man ever had. Apologies and reparations are no more in order than when two men enter a duel and one man leaves.
I have yet to see conclusive proof that what became the United States was once populated by millions upon millions of peaceful Indigenous Indians, living in the nirvana and passing the peace pipe around the campfire.
In reality, what became the United States was sparsely populated by various tribes who were constantly at war with one another, raiding each others makeshift, impermanent cities and engaging in vicious acts that would make the biggest proponent of Native American rights cringe.
Check out the amazing "Scalp Dance" for further elaboration on the subject.
http://www.amazon.com/Scalp-Dance-Indian-Warfare-1865-1879/dp/0811729079/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_2
But back to some of the points made here.
Black Guy -
Come on, I still fire Roman Candles and bottle rockets at my friends, but I don't fire them at police. THERE is the difference between what you did and what happened in Illinois.
Hilarity Ensues, Desiree, Black Guy, and "All Y'all":
Serious people need to talk about serious issues in this country. This site is not a fun joke and entertainment for most of us. Full of irony, yes, but not funny. While you are having your fun hijacking this blog with your "LOLs" and typical cynical and mocking party attitudes in response to our serious dialogue on race, then you are undermining your own progress as blacks and as Americans. If you don't like here, then please, please pack your shit and go. Good luck finding a place where you will be accepted. There is no way in hell that you will have a better existence anywhere than in the USA.
"Serious people need to talk about serious issues in this country. This site is not a fun joke and entertainment for most of us. Full of irony, yes, but not funny."
Do you not see how that is a problem? Of course this site is not a joke; this is why I frequent it. To lend my 'cynicism' and 'mocking party attitudes'.
The point is this dude makes a site about stuff black people don't like. He chronicles things he's read, not lived, about what black people allegedly 'don't like'. I cannot believe you are surprised there are blacks on here--who found the site through the Google engine, or something similar, like you did--giving their opinions, often at the expense of 'harmony' with our white brothers. Are you seriously shocked?
Pack my shit and go? You make it all the more worthwhile, my friend! You cannot have a serious dialogue on race without the race in question (ie. blacks) are not here to contribute. Duh.
I like America. It is 'vetty nice' (as Borat would say). I would never leave. We just need to change a few things...or many...
"Our only crime was winning a war in which pretty much all of the people of the earth were engaged."
Really, Hirsch? You believe such a thing? Hmm. Winning wars is not the problem, seeing human nature dictates such a thing as inevitable. The problem was the fact the Europeans created these 'divine notions' of their place in the world over all other cultures, eventually basing it explicitly on something as unalterable as skin color. They devised racist methods of subjugation in order to justify their brutality. Spaniards created tales of cannibalism, or embellished the reasons behind native peoples cannibalism, to make the To Be Conquered look like devilish barbarians, all in an effort to make their own barbarism 'mild' by comparison. America followed the exact same methods with native Americans and blacks (still doing this with blacks. This blog is a fabulous example).
"Even during the height of slavery in the US, there were more sub-Saharan African slaves (enslaved by blacks) than the white man ever had. Apologies and reparations are no more in order than when two men enter a duel and one man leaves."
No apologies, no reparations? Even black slaveowners owning African slaves is rooted in the racial stratification system whites developed here following the institution of slavery in the US. 'Hey, you are below me because you are fresh off the boat and I was (at least) born here.' Hello? Bringing up slavery in Africa between tribes is just as ridiculous; did those tribes base it on race? I don't think so. US slavery is very distinctive; I have yet to hear of something with such an implicit and long-enduring legacy...
I mean, the shifting of blame when it comes to slavery is frightening. I am continually amazed by the rampant myopia. Just like the Holocaust, it was a very, very, very bad thing; unlike the Holocaust, the descendants of slaves are still being destroyed, subjugated, and victimized in a psychological slavery.
SBPDL even admitted blacks are being manipulated by whites! He even said it, not that he's the Be All-End All but this is his blog at the end of the day... He wields a sort of influence, I think. *giggles*
"Since the dawn of history the negro has owned the
continent of Africa-rich beyond the dream of poet's
fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare
black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust
until a white man showed to him its glittering
light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile
animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or
sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe,
spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the
moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to
graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he
never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or
built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With
league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland
seas, for four thousand years he watched their
surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of
the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over
his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him
to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed
a sail." -- Charles Darwin
"Spaniards created tales of cannibalism, or embellished the reasons behind native peoples cannibalism, to make the To Be Conquered look like devilish barbarians, all in an effort to make their own barbarism 'mild' by comparison. America followed the exact same methods with native Americans and blacks (still doing this with blacks. This blog is a fabulous example)."
Well, there you go. All the bad things non-whites do are nothing but nefarious lies, and can be attributed to white racism.
I honestly do not care if the Indians WERE innocent noble savages dancing around an oak tree arm and arm (though the truth of their violent existence is held in the archeological archive, it is not merely lies told by Spaniards). Europeans saw land that could benefit their people and they took it. Much like the Asians before them who crossed the land bridge from Siberia and took the land from the previous inhabitants. That's how the game is played. I don't feel sorry for my people winning, hell, I want to quit wasting the off-season in these frivolous indulgences of self-guilt and prepare for the next season. If the Patriots win the Super Bowl, should they apologize and spend the next year wallowing in guilt for being successful?
The same rules that have applied throughout history still apply today. I can never understand some people's continuous, irrational and doomed insistence that somehow, someway, this time "it's different", and if we only abandon self interest and listen to them we'll all be better off.
Snake-oil.
"The point is this dude makes a site about stuff black people don't like. He chronicles things he's read, not lived, about what black people allegedly 'don't like'"
Some of us DO live it, each and every day Desiree! We hear blacks bitch and moan and whine about everything. Wow, you are thick! I was hoping that I could come to SBPDL without having to hear the whining and moaning, and I could, for a while, but now you are here and I have to sift through the posts to find something worth reading. We used to just have the token Black Guy, and he is tolerable.
Black behavior - I read it, I live it, I witness it first hand, and this is the place where I could safely discuss the truth without talking in circles with blacks and listening to them moan about their victimology. I live around many blacks in a large city (thank you, great God of diversity). Have some a few doors down and I am frequently dismayed by their actions. I witnessed a black neighborhood woman taking a shit on the sidewalk the other day. Just pulled her pants down and let loose then just carried on as if this was perfectly normal behavior. Is that not a first-hand account? Maybe I will post more of my observations from 'da hood. She was probably on government issued crack. Right? I still don't know why you post here, Desiree, except for the fact that you validate SBPDLs every post for the rest of us.
There are many MANY blogs created just for black people and support of their delusions. This blog is to educate whites about black people and their delicate nature, and to support those of us who are on the path to enlightenment. Your long winded rants are not going to change many opinions here, so please search the web and find yourself a more suitable blog.
Everyone, please stop responding to Desiree, maybe she have a sense of decency and just disappear. *poof!*
"I mean, the shifting of blame when it comes to slavery is frightening."
I agree.
Blacks always blame whitey rather than blaming the black Africans who sold each other.
Blame-whitey-blame-whitey-blame-whitey...same old negro song and dance.
"Of course this site is not a joke; this is why I frequent it."
Desiree, your presence here is a daily reminder of why the black race will continue to occupy the lowest rung of the social ladder.
You typify the "blame whitey" mentality that has kept your race lagging behind all other races for decades now.
Foreigners come here from every corner of the globe and outperform black Americans.
Even black foreigners outperform and look down upon black Americans.
So here's my recommendation to you and other blacks:
Just keep doing what you've been doing for decades.
Keep blaming whitey.
Keep getting the same results.
And the rest of us will keep laughing at you.
Any African or African-American who has ever typed a message on a computer is only able to do so because white people invented computers.
Any African or African-American who has ever made a call on a phone is only able to do so because white people invented phones.
Any African or African-American who has ever driven a car is only able to do so because white people invented cars.
I could go on for days.
Africans and African-Americans are always going to be debt to white people even for slavery. Had slavery never happened, replace your current residence with a mudhut and replace your current dinner with whatever you could kill in the jungle that day.
You probably had better living conditions in slave quarters than what you were used to in Africa. You did farm work and you got beaten if you worked slow. Also, your own "black leaders" traded you in for jewelery and food. Had your race not been so primitive maybe they could have stopped the "evils of slavery" from happening by using the word "No."
Your entire race has to be held by the hand throughout human history because you are wildly incapable of doing it on your own.
The way Africa looks right now is the same way it will look in 3010.
DWL's literally have to risk their lives and show African villagers how to do dig wells. As in, they need to show them how shovels work.
Wow.
There are plenty (maybe even a majority) of Africans who are born into worse living coniditions than what peasants had during the Middle Ages. In fact, birth and death rates indicate that peasants were more likely to survive childbirth and would live longer on average.
Wow.
Ancient Rome had better plumbing than the current capital of Liberia. In 2006, Liberia was without power or plumbing for a month.
Guess who fixed that one.
In conclusion, shut up and try to act like everyone else. Kids in Vietnam come here from mudhuts and they don't act like criminal retards.
Signed,
A gook who is happy to be here.
Poor poor desiree, you just don't get it do you? Whites didnt conquer the globe and brainwash everybody into accepting white dominance and supremacy, the more likely scenario (courtesy of occams razor) is that people likely recognized the situation for what it was. If blacks are completely equal to everybody else in every way, why is it that africa is still a shithole, and every place with a large black population devolves into madness? (the situation is completely reversed with white people.) I will tell you one thing though that will at least give you a little bit of consolation, that being that the white mans time of global dominance is apparently coming to an end, the new masters of the globe will be the chinese. From what i know of the chinese, they are clever enough that they will give black people enough rope to collectively hang themselves. You'll no doubt miss the days when white people subsidized your peoples' debauchery. Sorry desiree but those days are rapidly coming to an end.
"The problem was the fact the Europeans created these 'divine notions' of their place in the world over all other cultures, eventually basing it explicitly on something as unalterable as skin color."
From before and after Livingston arrived in Africa, blacks had some fairly denigrating ways of describing whites. They felt they were repulsive, inverted blacks whose skin had been turned inside out. Xenophobia is not exclusive to whites. Africans also had devised methods of torture to rival, if not best, the racks of the inquisition. One method was to wrap a victim in wet mud and hold them over flame until they essentially baked into a piece of human pottery.
Also regarding notions of divinity, I can find you black rulers, from Shaka Zulu to Selassie who believe in black supremacist theories as far out there as Manifest Destiny.
"Even black slave owners owning African slaves is rooted in the racial stratification system whites developed here following the institution of slavery in the US."
This is just wrong factually and historically. Whites who first made the journey to Africa were terrified to penetrate into the continent, but wanted to barter for goods. The mainland Africans were only too happy to oblige by trading enemies who had been captured in battle (as they had been doing for centuries) in order to buy goods off the whites. Slavery occurred in Africa independent of whites.
I don't think you know nearly as much about slavery as you presume. Muslims enslaved white Christians for hundreds of years, particularly on the Barbary Coast and in the Mediterranean. Please start by reading Don Kirkland's "White Cargo" which shows that most of what were referred to as indentured servants were actually, yes, white slaves owned by white men. Tens of thousands of whites were sold, whipped, and branded.
Oliver Cromwell helped commit genocide against the Irish, who were raped, enslaved, and mutilated. And the white Irish slaves were considered inferior to the Barbadian black slaves, and were treated worse.
Unfortunately slavery has been the norm for the last few thousand years, with the exception of dissident sects like Mennonites and Quakers.
"Just like the Holocaust, it was a very, very, very bad thing; unlike the Holocaust, the descendants of slaves are still being destroyed, subjugated, and victimized in a psychological slavery."
I'm half-Jewish, but not a Zionist, but if you want to parlay slavery into reparations, let me give you some advice on how you could turn that particularly lemon into lemonade.
Find a diamond-rich African nation and start a "Back to Africa" repatriation movement. Start a "Slavery Museum," through which you can launder the money to arm your African colonists and kick out the Africans who are already on the land, a la the Palestinians.
Solicit donations from famous black celebrities who would be swayed by motherland rhetoric. Spike Lee, Oprah, Will Smith, etc. Once it has been established that you will act as a satellite to US interests in Africa, multiple lobbies will pop up on behalf of Africa America: The State Founded to Compensate blacks for the horrors of slavery.
For your first prime minister, the talent pool is wide and disparate. Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton, all have been groomed their entire lives to be third-world despots, and would be happy to trade their mansions for palaces.
What did the black man get on his SAT test?
Barbecue sauce.
"Serious people need to talk about serious issues in this country. This site is not a fun joke and entertainment for most of us. Full of irony, yes, but not funny. While you are having your fun hijacking this blog with your "LOLs" and typical cynical and mocking party attitudes in response to our serious dialogue on race, then you are undermining your own progress as blacks and as Americans. If you don't like here, then please, please pack your shit and go. Good luck finding a place where you will be accepted. There is no way in hell that you will have a better existence anywhere than in the USA."
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2010/06/89-bad-family-reunion-t-shirts.html
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2010/06/338-regular-greeting-cards.html
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2010/05/321-journey.html
Are the above posts an example of "serious" dialogues on race? Some posts are serious and others not so much, and easily mocked and ridiculed by those of us with half a brain.
I don't have a problem at all with the blog, I love it. What I find funny are the silly and often times retarded responses and comments posted. Remember because facts can be checked in seconds on the internet, people who post untrue nonsense are either really stupid, lazy, or just plain liars
I didn't realize my "offensive" actions on this site are undermining the progress of black Americans. The reality is that any success in my life benefits only myself, family, and friends. No one else factors into that equation.
So, I apologize to you my sensitive friend, but I find this site, racism, and uptight people to be very amusing
-Black guy
Porter: Firstly, I'm not whining. I'm not sad. Characterize it how you will though. Next. I have never and will never visit a prostitute. Next. Corporations are helmed by people of different races. A majority may be white, for now, but that's not my concern. You should visit http://www.thecorporation.com/. And I certainly wasn't talking exclusively about black people. Millions upon millions of whites have felt the corporate burn as well, are are you not aware? There are other shades of skin color. So it is a majority of black people in Mexico that caused that countries problems? A majority of black people in Russia? A majority of black people in Kosovo? Bosnia? Croatia? Ireland? Etc. Next. In the snake parable it is a tender woman who takes the snake in because she thinks it is ill and wishes to restore its health. In the real world it was slaves and slave owners. There were no selfless intentions, only selfish ones. The parable does not apply. Next. It is true that the CIA flooded the drug market, and continues to do so. That fact alone should cause you to deeply question your racial beliefs, and I believe you would if you were even slightly aware of the social implications, psychological implications and economic implications. And no, the crack is obviously not free. You have no idea how the drug game works. You have made this obvious. You have also made it obvious that you are unwilling to have a discussion that doesn't consist of me saying "yessuh, massa suh," so I don't feel any real need to engage you further.
Anon@9:34: Black people are not consistent worldwide, poor people are consistent worldwide. Many black people are 'poor' (though I would hesitate to call the Tasmanians, and many other indigenous peoples past and present, 'poor'. Africa, by the way, is one of, if not the richest continent on the planet). Race is nebulous. The intermixing of various races throughout history has blurred whatever lines may have been clearly defined in the distant past. There are numerous viewpoints to be had, and many cherished theories have been, and will continue to be, abandoned when new, previously unknown evidence arises. This is just something to keep in mind. I have no need to invoke future evidence, however, for there is a mountain of it available to you now, if you would just look for it. And, as with all things, consider your sources.
I never went to college. I was kicked out of high school in the 9th grade for religious reasons
that were truly beyond my control. I have not been indoctrinated by anyone. Were I interested
in indoctrination I would have sued the school board to get me reinstated, since I was kicked
out of a public school by weeping Christians. I am not a Marxist, nor am I a socialist.
Further, I don't consider myself to inhabit the current political 'spectrum' of right or left,
or extreme right or extreme left. I obviously have a bit more in common on certain issues with
the (current) 'left' than I do the (current) 'right', but these things are fairly unimportant
to me. I don't vote. No candidate for any office I have ever seen has had enough in common with
me. If I seem much smarter than you perceive other black people to be it is due in large part
to my grandmother being an English professor and pulling me out of schools in my neighborhood
to attend much better schools in white neighborhoods. I also experienced wide variety of things
during my formative years that the vast majority of people in my neighborhoods didn't have the
opportunity to experience.
"Please give me a reputable link or explanation as to why racial differences end at the brain?"
Here.
Here.
Here.
Here.
Of course, there are those (Ruhton, et. al.) who would claim that some of the research is
dubious and biased, etc. The very same claims are made of Ruston’s work by Nisbett, et. al. It
seems that exact science is often not an exact science. For the record (if anyone other than yours truly is keeping one) I don't agree with all of Nisbetts cultural assumptions, but I agree even less with those of Rushton and his 'group'.
Anyhow, I consider myself proof. I consider my entire family proof. I consider many of my
friends proof.
I also consider the claim that Sub-Saharan Africans have an average IQ of 70 as proof that something is terribly wrong with the people who make such claims. As stated by Nisbett, an IQ of 70 means that all those Africans have an IQ lower than all but the lowest 2% among whites. He goes on to say: "Given what we know about people with such low IQ in our society, the average African, then, might not be expected to know when to plant seeds, what the function of a chief might be, or how to calculate degrees of kinship. Obviously something is desperately wrong with these African IQ scores. They cannot possibly mean for the African population what they do for people of European culture."
I would suggest reading the entire appendix, the content of the other links I provided, and then the entire book. Then read Rushtons criticism. Then read the criticism of the criticism, ad infinitum.
Beyond all of that, however, I consider the entire premise of IQ testing as a measure of universal intelligence incredibly flawed, biased, and ultimately irrelevant. There's a good book on the subject called The Genius in All of Us which I recommend you take a look at. The link leads to an article, from which I will quote a brief passage here:
"Sternberg argues that no current tests actually measure such built-in intelligence, and that intelligence testers are instead relying on a dangerous circular logic:
"Some intelligence theorists point to the stability of the alleged general (g) factor of human intelligence as evidence for the existence of some kind of stable and overriding structure of human intelligence. But . . . [w]ith different forms of schooling, g could be made either stronger or weaker. In effect, Western forms and related forms of schooling may, in part, create the g phenomenon by providing a kind of schooling that teaches in conjunction the various kinds of skills measure[d] by tests of intellectual abilities."
In other words: we are teaching certain skills in our schools -- skills which do correlate reasonably well with Western job performance -- and then measuring how well kids learn these skill[s]. Then we pretend that the results reveal a person's raw intelligence, when all they actually reveal is how well a child learned those skills. All we're really learning from intelligence tests is that some kids do better than others in school. We are not, as intelligence testers claim, uncovering the innate cause of these differences."
(Also, I never said there wern't 'racial' differences. I just don't think they are as universally pronounced or inalterable, in any race, as you seem to.)
"You do of course realize that not every reader here is a skinhead neonazi."
Of course. Those links were posted after I wrote: "And American History X is fairly realistic," etc. I don't normally waste much time interacting with skinheads, though it is sometimes entertaining.
"Most readers here aren't in gangs, beating up minorities, etc. etc."
And most black people aren't in gangs, beating up white people, etc. etc.
"I dont give a damn what you think. So go on back to your black and white, good and evil world, and leave the shades of gray to the adults."
Were you talking to yourself there? Saving face? I don't live in a black and white world, nor do I live in a gray one. I live in a multi-dimensional world with an infinite color spectrum, the subtleties of which most humans don't even perceive. Were you aiming to invalidate everything you just wrote?
Blue Eyed Devil:
Yes, there is more to the story, such as police (‘accidentally’) stomping an infant to death, horribly mistreating and even beating pregnant women, etc. I’m glad you provided that link though. Everyone here should watch the entire series thing for multiple reasons. And yes, he was a third grade drop-out. So? What does that prove? That even third grade drop-outs can leave a lasting mark on the world? That even third grade drop-outs can possess enough charisma to gain followers?
“Late in the evening of May 9, 1974, two pregnant MOVE women, Janet and Leesing Africa, were taking a short walk to the corner store to get something to eat. They were stopped and questioned by police officers who became abusive and slammed Janet stomach-first against a police car. The two were subjected to a very rough handling and jailed overnight without food or water. Both women lost their babies due to miscarriages. MOVE immediately began demonstrating at the 18th District police station where the incident occurred.”
Many cops, of all races, have deep-seated control and inferiority issues and thus submit themselves to brutality in the name of the law, whatever it happens to be at any given time, all too frequently.
Anon@1:50am:
Have you ever been to CA? It’s not just group A and group B unless you classify all ethnicities that aren’t white under the ‘A’ heading and all that are under the ‘B’ heading. There are large numbers of Hispanics, Asians, Persians, etc., as well.
Bigot comes from the French and means "an excessively devoted or hypocritical person."
“A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.”
Yes, I think the world would be much better off without such people, regardless of race or religion or sexual orientation, etc., etc. etc. I confess that I don’t understand how this relates to the phrase "The only good Indian is a dead Indian" in your mind. Where did I ever say anything else? I don’t want everyone who disagrees with me to die. I simply think that on that day when the last child of the last bigot dies the world will burst open and flood rainbows into space and kind and benevolent space aliens will flow towards us, surfing on the colorful light to impart to us the secret of inter-dimensional travel!
“One group of people dominating another is the way the world works.”
Some people think that there are alternatives available now that weren’t always available in the past. Either way, this is not what I’m debating. If it were I would perhaps be telling you to just accept your fate and that Africans, Hispanics, Asians and Arabs are taking over, you’re all going to get slaughtered and you ought to just get comfortable with the idea. I’m not saying that though. I, too, have many friends who are white as well as friends from many other ethnic groups as well. I don’t want to see anything like that happen. I don’t think any one group should be made to suffer by any other group. However, I’m not surprised when it happens, especially when the group now suffering has a long history of causing suffering to the groups now inflicting the suffering.
“The Indians did it among one another, and were extremely cruel to competing tribes. “
Not every tribe was as cruel as you might think.
“Writings by Indians of that period, not their modern-day whining descendants, state quite clearly that they respected the white man because he took what he wanted.”
I think you should have said that “SOME American Indians...” etc. How many Native Americans wrote that? Right, that would be an underwhelming minority. The overwhelming majority had no love for those who they saw as rapists, invaders and thieves.
“Ironically, when white men conquer a nation, the inhabitants are usually the better off for it.”
Only in the eyes and minds of white men and those they have indoctrinated is this absurdity true. “Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter.”
“But the welfare of groups with competing interests is not the responsibility of those with whom they compete. You are actually engaged in the same thing. Blacks are not of the majority so they seized upon emotional manipulation of whites to gain benefits for themselves, earned or otherwise.”
Firstly, the necessity of this competition you speak of in our modern world is highly suspect. Secondly, it was other whites who first appealed to the emotions of their brethren, not blacks, as you assume. We were busy escaping slavery and rebelling against our oppressors.
“Whites do not benefit one iota from social integration with blacks. In fact, they almost universally suffer. Look at the trajectory cities, neighborhoods, and schools follow once integrated.”
You seem to believe that this is just due to our natures, when often this is far more in response to continued racism, discrimination and persecution. Just because there is a law does not mean people will obey it. Further, my great-grandfather was very closely involved in various housing projects on the South Side of Chicago. They only became what they are now after the government fully took over and drugs and particularly guns started showing up, literally by the unmarked white van-load in some cases. And further still, whose fault is it that we’re here in the first place? Answer that. Who shoved us into ghettos way back when after we gained our ‘freedom’? And no, the answer I have in mind is not ‘white people’ or ‘white men’. Did you miss everything I wrote? I have said elsewhere that there might be a ‘racial responsibility’, but that was really only in relation all of the claims that black people are responsible for this, and the other. I don’t believe that though, but I am just entitled to ponder such things as everyone else, particularly among people who are trying to tell me that my genetics determine almost (if not) everything about me.
“This is why you don't see very many wealthy skinheads.”
There. Right there. A whole host of knowledge is available to he (or she) who ponders this phrase in the context in which it was written. I will expand on a small portion of that knowledge shortly.
“You said your buddy abandoned "racism" once he joined the military. Well in that environment it was in his own economic best interest to do so. The PC agenda has made that also true for the majority of the white population.”
There, again, another gem. OK. You don’t see many wealthy skinheads because skinheads are predominantly a sub-group that arose out of economic strife and a feeling of racial imbalance. [Funnily enough, skinheads also ‘blame whitey’ in the form of the “Jew-run” (hi Hirsch!) media. They just don’t accept that Jews are white. Hirsch seems to disagree. I have a few Jewish and Israeli friends who don’t consider themselves white, however.] My friend, the ex-skin, grew up in near poverty, in a shit neighborhood. It was Mexicans who used to jump his friends for money, not black people. He revealed that many of his friends would also jump the Mexicans for money. Who started it? Who knows. I don’t think it’s that simple, though. But what is it in you that makes skinheads somehow more acceptable, or at least less condemnable, than black gangs (or presumably Mexican ones as well)? The black gangs aren’t even formed with racial motives, they’re formed because in neighborhoods blighted by poverty it is all too often a dog-eat-dog situation. When you have what we’ll call a burgeoning “criminal under-class” it is all too often that infighting develops. This is due to a number of factors, not the least of which is virtual isolation from the outside world (I used to know people who hadn’t left their surrounding neighborhoods in years. Why? When I’d ask they say “There ain’t shit out there for me, they hate me, so fuck ‘em. I’ll stick to what I know.” And then I’d try to talk them out of thinking like that.) The very same property develops among skinheads and other supremacist groups! Just look at the conflict surrounding the Aryan Nation! Anyway, my ex-skin friend became a skinhead because he wanted protection. But not just from the Mexicans! The skinheads would also intimidate him! Because even though he was one of them he wasn’t One of Them. However, he remains free of mentally crippling bigotry to this day, even after coming back and living through the same thing! Many of his friends abandoned him, but he understood that they were all just sad little boys who hadn’t seen enough of the world yet. He doesn’t take it personally and still tries to maintain some level of contact with them. Eventually some of them grew up as well. Another factor was how much he loved his country, yet while in the military (he was in intelligence) he participated regularly in a number of illegal practices that he couldn’t continue to support when he came home and realized what he’d been doing. We still talk about these issues every once in a while, and I’m sure we’ll have another good talk about it when I see him. Anyway, his story shares many parallels with many people I know who came up in the streets and after getting out of those situations for a little while were able to reorder their mentality to fit what they had learned while away. Jail is not a good example of this kind of thing for most (getting away). My friend in this discussion saw that not only was it ‘economically feasible’ for him to evolve past his beliefs, it was also mentally, emotionally and spiritually liberating. Also, now we can make money together.
Concerning the book you linked to, consider this from a favorable review:
“However, since it is based upon contemporaneous writing, it largely is the version of white settlers, survivors, soldiers and newspapermen, and the natural reaction after reading it is to see the Indians as bloodthirsty, brutal savages who raped, tortured and killed. This is fine, because they were, to a certain extent. There is no doubt that these things occurred. But if the book fails, it is in not giving the other side of the story (which would be difficult, becuase [sic] none of the tribes involved had a written language at the time). However, considering the subject matter, there are more than enough books which detail the white wrongs--broken treaties, outright theft of land, extermination of Buffalo, poor reservations, corrupt Indian agents, punishment of innocent Indians for the acts of warlike tribesmen, etc.”
Anon@6:19: “LOL Blame-whitey-blame-whitey-blame-whitey.”
BET is owned by Viacom. It is called television programming for a reason, and it’s probably not the one you think it is!
SBPDL: I never claimed Native Americans were living peacefully in nirvana. Nor did I ever claim all Africans were peaceful. However, it is perhaps ironic that the first people encountered were extremely peaceful, yet were still slaughtered.
“For I have seen and recognise (says the Admiral) that these people have no religion, nor are they idolaters, rather they are very gentle and know nothing of evil, nor murder nor theft nor weapons, and so timorous that a hundred of them flee from one of our people even though they may only be teasing them. They are trusting and know that there is a God in heaven, and firmly believe that we have come from heaven, and they are ready to repeat any prayer that we say to them and they make the sign of the cross +.”
Who do you think said that?
Also: “The Christians told the Admiral that all these people were more handsome and of better character than any they had found until then; but the Admiral says that he does not know how they can be of better character than the others, by which he means that all those he had found on the other islands were of very good character. As far as beauty was concerned, the Christians said that there was no comparison, in both men and women, and that they are whiter than the others and that among them they saw two young women who were as white as they would be in Spain.”
Or this:
“They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks' bells. They willingly traded everything they owned... . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features.... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane... . They would make fine servants.... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.”
This is from Bartolome de las Casas:
“Endless testimonies . .. prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives.... But our work was to exasperate, ravage, kill, mangle and destroy; small wonder, then, if they tried to kill one of us now and then.... The admiral, it is true, was blind as those who came after him, and he was so anxious to please the King that he committed irreparable crimes against the Indians....”
As is this:
“Thus husbands and wives were together only once every eight or ten months and when they met they were so exhausted and depressed on both sides ... they ceased to procreate. As for the newly born, they died early because their mothers, overworked and famished, had no milk to nurse them, and for this reason, while I was in Cuba, 7000 children died in three months. Some mothers even drowned their babies from sheer desperation.... in this way, husbands died in the mines, wives died at work, and children died from lack of milk . .. and in a short time this land which was so great, so powerful and fertile ... was depopulated. ... My eyes have seen these acts so foreign to human nature, and now I tremble as I write. ...”
The line that I feel is the most pertinent to our discussion is this one:
“The admiral, it is true, was blind as those who came after him, and he was so anxious to please the King that he committed irreparable crimes against the Indians…”
“[H]e was so anxious to please the King…” If you give that enough thought and examine it within yourself perhaps you’ll see what I’m driving at with some eventuality.
"Bringing up slavery in Africa between tribes is just as ridiculous; did those tribes base it on race?"
I always hear Blacks claiming that somehow slavery based upon race is worse than slavery based on other things such as gender, ethnicity, religion, etc... It is a perfect illustration of the perpetual victimhood in which Blacks view themselves, and the "we suffered worser" oneupmanship in which they engage.
"Maybe it's because of the way the fire department refused to help after Malcolm X's house was torched. Or how they refused to help as an entire city block of 65 houses burned downed in Philadelphia..."
Let's be real. This was not a protest of injustices wrought upon Blacks 40 years ago. This was nothing but a bunch of bored Blacks in the ghetto wanting to start shit just for the lulz. And please explain to me the logic behind wanting to burn down your own neighborhood?
I realize that's a lot of reading, and feel free to ignore it altogether if it's too daunting or you just feel you don't have the time. I'm posting more for myself and others who might read this at this point than any group or person in particular.
Consider this, though, SBPDL:
Concerning black people we will take care of ourselves when it comes to our neighborhoods and much of the violence and so forth and so on. The tide is indeed changing. Your blog is increasingly unnecessary. We police ourselves better and more effectively than you do anyway, especially when our 'leaders' aren't assassinated.
Perhaps you'll watch these examples:
One.
Two.
Three.
Four.
If I hadn't learned all I needed to know about negros by moving to Atlanta, and then Virginia, I learned it when I watched Africa Addio.
Blacks around the world covet what whitey has and has built for himself and then when they get it they destroy it. Much like the freedom blacks fought to achieve that has been completely squandered since the 70s.
I don't care if you mention jews or not Mr. SBPDL. Like you said, this blog is about stuff black people don't like.
American History X is however, just another example of Hollywood's jewish nature.
It was paid for by New Line Cinema whose joint founder and CEO's at the time were:
The jew Robert Shaye and the jew Michael Lynne
It was directed by:
The jew Tony Kaye
It was edited by:
The jew Jerry Greenberg
Shall I go on? No. The reality is that people see "white pride" and "nazis" the way the jew WANTS them to. Jews are the real racists, they prove it everyday with their brutal treatment of the original inhabitants of Palestine. Why should you care about those Palestinians or Arabs or Iranians, though? They are the enemies of America, right? NOT! They are the enemies of the jews. Anyway...
EFF them, and, their GD wars that we fight for them every decade or so.
Dave
Jews were responsible for the black slave trade in America. Please see the 2-volume book: The Secret Relationship of Blacks and Jews by Nation of Islam historical researchers.
The secret relationship is secret because it has been suppressed by Jews. The truth has been kept from both blacks and whites and jews have been happy to see whitey take the blame.
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/06/30/2739839/in-letter-farrakhan-accuses-jews-of-hurting-blacks
The blacks have kicked it off yet again in Oakland. Get a verdict you don't like riot, the cultural past time of blacks riot and create mayhem.
Im sure they will expect police and fire services to pick up after their looting spree. Lets hope a few store owners are able to fend off the horde.
"Spaniards created tales of cannibalism, or embellished the reasons behind native peoples cannibalism, to make the To Be Conquered look like devilish barbarians, all in an effort to make their own barbarism 'mild' by comparison. America followed the exact same methods with native Americans and blacks (still doing this with blacks. This blog is a fabulous example)."
Even if that was all true,so what?Do you remember the Mongols apologizing?They were among the most brutal conquerrors.The Egyptians,the Romans,The Persians?Or the Ottomans who slaughtered hundreds of thousand of Europeans?
Empires in the past had good reason not to apologize.It is always a sign of weakness.Only Whites were dumb enough to feel sorry for their victims.
Desiree i don't know if you realize this or not.But if white man didn't change,do you believe that you would be able to even make such comments about them?Or even be allowed to use the Internet?Don't tell us "blacks fought for this".No, Jews were behind the civil rights movements,Behind MLK,NAACP etc.Blacks in those times did what they do best,rioting,while Jews were the ones who pushed "Integration".Without Jews there would be nothing,because blacks create nothing.
For those interested in the realities of the New World, I recommend Black Robe by Brian Moore (made into a film of the same name in 1991).
"Jews were responsible for the black slave trade in America. Please see the 2-volume book: The Secret Relationship of Blacks and Jews by Nation of Islam historical researchers."
Pretty much every historical argument made by the Nation of Islam regarding history has been debunked. Cleopatra was a Greek and Ptolemy mix, and Molefi Keti Asante, the main Afrocentrist revisionist was already thoroughly debunked and embarassed.
One of the most notorious Aryan Brotherhood skinheads was Tommy Silverstien; there are no Jewish gangs in prison, and there are plenty of Jewish men in prison walking around with Swastikas and Stars of David on their chest. Prison gangs, of course, are not really political organizations. White and black gangs will compromise their supposed racial ideals if enough money is involved.
"Desiree i don't know if you realize this or not"
I'm betting on "Not".
For those interested in the realities of the Exaggerating Hunters I recommend And They Did it Like Dogs in the Dirt...An Indigenist Analysis of Black Robe.
Anon@1:42:
"Kids in Vietnam come here from mudhuts and they don't act like criminal retards."
Are you insane?
You've obviously never heard of The 5T, huh? (By the way, black gangs have attempted to do the same thing as The 5T on numerous occasions, but the police aren't very interested...) Or the Asian Boyz. Or the Vietnamese Boyz. Or Born to Kill (BTK being the signature of a famous serial killer, standing for Bind, Torture, Kill). Here's some more, for your own education:
A video of a Vietnamese gang machete attack,
here.
There are also plenty of white gangs, such as the Nazi Low Riders (NLR), Public Enemy No. 1 (Oh, delicious irony) aka PEN, Peckerwood aka The Woods (irony, again), Da Folks, Sydney Ducks, Aryan Brotherhood (AB), The Aryan Circle, Halliburton/KBR (infamous for, along with the gang rape in the first link, other brutal and ignorant attacks on civilians), Black Flag, The Christian Evolution, 66, Kigeria, K.O.S. (Knights of the Streets), The White Cloth, Odin's Warriors, The Demon Weavers, The Dogs of War, United Alliance. And let us not forget the KKK.
There are gangs in every race. With the possible exception of Halliburton/KBR and the KKK the vast majority of them spring up due to (drumroll) poverty. Poverty is also largely responsible for a lot of the ignorance exhibited by members of every race, every gender, on every continent and in every era.
Stop pretending otherwise.
As to:
"Any African or African-American who has ever typed a message on a computer is only able to do so because white people invented computers..."
and all the rest:
"Everything in the experience of the first white settlers acted as a pressure for the enslavement of blacks.
The Virginians of 1619 were desperate for labor, to grow enough food to stay alive. Among them were survivors from the winter of 1609-1610, the 'starving time,' when, crazed for want of food, they roamed the woods for nuts and berries, dug up graves to eat the corpses, and died in batches until five hundred colonists were reduced to sixty.
In the Journals of the House of Burgesses of Virginia is a document of 1619 which tells of the first twelve years of the Jamestown colony. The first settlement had a hundred persons, who had one small ladle of barley per meal. When more people arrived, there was even less food. Many of the people lived in cavelike holes dug into the ground, and in the winter of 1609-1610, they were ... 'driven thru insufferable hunger to eat those things which nature most abhorred, the flesh and excrements of man as well of our own nation as of an Indian, digged by some out of his grave after he had lain buried three days and wholly devoured him; others, envying the better state of body of any whom hunger has not yet so much wasted as their own, lay wait and threatened to kill and eat them; one among them slew his wife as she slept in his bosom, cut her in pieces, salted her and fed upon her till he had clean devoured all parts saving her head'..."
Stop pretending like America would have happened without black people and Native Americans. Stop pretending like there were zero black people involved in innovative and technological contributions to this society.
It's really transparent.
To further, and utterly, dispel and demolish all of this babbling drivel concerning how ancient Africans had no culture of their own, could not tame animals, could not read or write, could not paint, could not use shovels, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, all you have to do is watch this one film, for which I have provided a link to facilitate ease:
Africa: Different But Equal.
It is only the first in a series of many films made by Basil Davidson, a white-skinned Englishman who I feel nothing but love and respect for.
These films stand as a blistering counterpoint to the racism and blatant deception exhibited by the 'filmmakers' responsible for the exploitation trash piece called Africa Addio, that was referenced above, which shows white men brutally murdering Africans and European mercenaries exhibiting a horrid level of true savagery, as well as Africans killing each other. Basil Davidson puts that film, and its erroneous message, effortlessly into place.
Specifically to Anon@1:42, the self proclaimed "gook" (SMH):
"Had slavery never happened, replace your current residence with a mudhut and replace your current dinner with whatever you could kill in the jungle that day."
Watch the video I linked above, 'Africa: Different But Equal'. If slavery had never happened the African and British and other European people would have both benefited greatly from cultural exchange and cooperation, as was the inarguable case before slavery happened. Even after. One prominent example you probably know nothing of is Sarah Bonetta Davies, Queen Victoria's black African god-daughter, of whom Captain Frederick Forbes said:
"I have only to add a few particulars about my extraordinary present 'the African Child' - one of the captives of this dreadful slave-hunt was this interesting girl"
"It is usual to reserve the best born for the high behest of royalty and the immolation on the tombs of the decease nobility. For one of these ends she has been detained at court for two years, proving, by her not having been sold to slave dealers, that she was of good family".
"She is a perfect genius; she now speaks English well, and has a great talent for music. She has won the affections, but with few exceptions, of all who have known her. She is far in advance of any white child of her age, in aptness of learning, and strength of mind and affection"
Source.
Also:
"The Masai of Tankanika, Chewya of Kenya, Muhima of Uganda, Watusi of Ruanda and the Neurs tribes on the western side of the Nile in the Sudan were all cattle-keeping people. Their diets consisted largely of milk, blood and meat, supplemented in some cases with fish and with small amounts of grains, fruits and vegetables."
"Largely vegetarian Bantu tribes such as the Kikuyu and Wakamba were agriculturists. Their diet consisted of sweet potatoes, corn, beans, bananas, millet and Kafir corn or sorghum."
(italics mine)
You really don't know what you're talking about.
Way to get negatively assimilated. Congrats.
"The way Africa looks right now is the same way it will look in 3010."
What, it will still look like these places, linked below? Anything but that...
Nairobi.
Hellish Wasteland.
Vile Cesspool.
Towering Inferno.
Urban Sprawl.
Thatch-roofed Cottages.
Horrible Plumbing.
Vietnam is a beautiful place. Most of my Asian friends now aren't from Vietnam but growing up in school I had some Vietnamese friends who I still wish I had been able to keep in touch with. Just so you know.
American History X-Files: The story of a neo-nazi from outer space, hellbent upon spreading white supremacist literature throughout the galaxy. Will Mulder and Skully be able to stop him?
"To further, and utterly, dispel and demolish all of this babbling drivel concerning how ancient Africans had no culture of their own"
LOL Hillary, why do you continue wasting your time trying to prove something that no one here is even going to consider?
You may as well argue that the sun rises in the west and the moon is made of green cheese.
Seriously, why do you waste your time??
I would suggest you focus your efforts on convincing black people to stay in school and stop committing crime and having out-of-wedlock children, but that would also be a waste of time.
So the word Ni***r is OK, but M.F. is not? Well, alright, I'll repost that comment sans profanity (I was trying to make a the point that not only was the claim that black people said MF every other word absurd, but that its proliferation throughout black American society is largely misunderstood today. I have it on good faith in the form of our great grandfathers, ex-slaves and sons of ex-slaves, who have told us where they believe the word came from. For further information see here, here, and here):
“Whenever you engage in idealism...”
I engage in idealism coupled with realism. It is the racial ideas that I believe are a twisted form of idealism.
“You are just as racist as the whites you condemn...convince yourself you appear noble.”
I am neither racist nor overly concerned with appearances. I don’t have room for all that shit. I can tell the difference between one, a few, some, many, most, and all. I believe these are extremely important distinctions. Look at the mess this society has gotten itself into by ignoring them. You are free to believe whatever makes you more comfortable though.
“I didn't make the rules, I just have to live with them, and so do you.”
It’s that kind of mentality that holds humanity back. It’s that same mentality that has the various ghettos in the condition they are in. People think that they’re just doing what they’re supposed to.
*sigh* Silent Running:
“a skin-wearing, fire-worshiping savage”?
You do realize that leather and fur come from living creatures, don’t you? And you do know that combustion, and its various manifestations and applications, are still among the most advanced and widely used technologies and innovations used in western culture?
“Irrelevant..."
It is not irrelevant at all. Per capita distinctions should not be used to condemn an entire population. That is pseudo-scientific nonsense, especially when so many of those ‘crimes’ are arbitrarily classed as such considering the proliferation of ‘legal’ drug dealers in this nation, and most of the violent crime is largely due to the fact that various substances are classed as ‘illegal’ while others are not.
“Genes are destiny.”
Keep dreaming.
Anon@1:38:
I've already stated why. Read.
And why don't you just watch the first 20 minutes of the documentary? I've made it extremely easy for you. If you don't you do realize that it is your own mind you are abusing, do you not?
Just watch the movie.
"one of the captives of this dreadful slave-hunt was this interesting girl"
From the Captains mouth. Servants were exchanged with Europeans, humans. Slaves were hunted down and captured, chattel.
Some of you here are intelligent, unlike this anonymous fellow, and should be able to clearly see the difference.
If you don't, well, keep truckin'.
Clyde,
1) It's irrelevant whether you would engage the services of a prostitute. The point, as I now realize must be stated as if to a child, was that meeting a bare "majority" is not a legitimate criterion for decision making. No sane man would have unprotected sex with a black African prostitute--EVEN THOUGH the majority don't have AIDS. Just as no sane person would choose to exist in close proximity to blacks EVEN THOUGH the majority are not violent criminals. In both instances, a very sizable minority of these elements do exist and are ignored only at the greatest folly.
2) "The parable does not apply" If assertion were fact then you might be right. Unfortunately for you it is not and unfortunately for me it most certainly does apply.
Just as with any dangerous creature, I don't dislike blacks, I dislike living with blacks. I should have my land and they should have theirs. I should be engaged in dialogue over the Internet with a logical white correspondent and you should be frolicking nude on the Serengeti with a bone through your nose.
3) as for the...ahem "fact" about CIA drug activities, I suppose you gleaned that information from here?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/cia-unveils-new-ghetto-drugs-for-98,831/
"I've already stated why. Read."
LOLOL You still don't get it. I don't read your links and articles, I'm not interested in what you think, I've reached my own conclusions about black people, you're not going to change my mind, you aren't dispelling anything.
So once again...why do you waste your time?
Hey Porter, I've already seen that article, waaaay back when The Onion was still read in paper-form. But thanks for the reminder, The Onion is hilarious! It seems, however, that you missed the point. You see, The Onion makes use of a thing called social satire, meaning that they make the pitiful condition of our society humorous. I think they're much more effective than this blog (no offense), but that's because they employ people of all races and sexual orientations. The entire tone of the article echos the truth, that it is a fact that the CIA was and remains heavily involved in the drug-trade, very poignantly at the end of the article, when they write, in the final line:
"Deutch went on to state that none of the above events "ever happened" and categorically denied any CIA connection with the new drugs."
Your strong bias prevented you from seeing that.
They also lampoon racism DWL practices quite thoroughly in other articles that perhaps you haven't seen, or, due to the burden of your bias, where unable to read or comprehend. Here are some examples:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/this-racist-propoganda-practically-writes-itself,10670/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/good-cop-bad-cop-both-racist,1702/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/recently-mugged-friend-a-racist-all-of-a-sudden,4827/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/racist-merely-misspoke,3603/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/racial-slur-development-not-keeping-pace-with-mixe,17027/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/antiracism-laws-mutate-racism-into-newer-stronger,1748/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/klan-rally-70-percent-undercover-reporters,96/
The Onion's satire extends well into the realm of urban myth puncturing. Before you link-bomb this site again, you would be well advised to comprehend this.
Again and again we are reminded of the invincible nature of black idiocy.
As for the rest:
So all the white people in NYC, Philly, Houston, Dallas, Chicago, LA, Oakland, Miami, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Africa, etc etc etc...are crazy? I guess that explains a lot!
If you want your own land then buy some, put up a fence and stay there. It's that easy. Stop crying about how 'dangerous' black people are.
And as far as frolicking nude with a bone in my nose goes, maybe one day I will. A man can dream, can he not? LOL. Like that bothers me! You see I refrain from racial insults, why do you stoop so low as to...oh, never mind!
And apparently you don't click links posted by black people either (some news, my horrible negro germs can't be transmitted over fiber-optics or waves...the memes, however, can, I guess that's what you and the other anonymous guy fear the most, huh?).
If you weren't possessed by that irrational fear you might learn something.
And Anon@2:04:
I DO get it. You are a close-minded person with little interest in expanding your knowledge. That's fine. You really don't need to advertise that kind of thing though, it will usually be very evident.
And as to why I waste my time, again, I already TOLD you in previous posts. Read.
Clyde,
Those are some excellent links. The Onion is hands down one of the best collection of social and political satire out there.
As you can see the humor flies miles over the head of many who populate this blog.
-Black guy
"One of the best things about racist propaganda is that it only needs to seem to make sense. The barest threads can tie the Emancipation Proclamation to the Elders of Zion. I mean, look at them. They both start with "E," don't they? And that was just off the top of my head. And if someone starts to argue with you about facts, just call them a nigger-lovin' faggot-queer Jew, and that'll shut them up real quick.
Another great thing about writing racist propaganda is that you don't even need to know how to write all that good. There are computer programs that'll correct most of your grammar and spelling mistakes. And if I need to find another word for "gook," my handy slang dictionary gives me zip, gink, and slope. It's true: The only thing stopping you from realizing your dream of becoming a writer is your own fears.
The bottom line is, all you need to write racist propaganda is a pen, some paper, and a refusal to take responsibility for your own problems. Most folks probably don't write because they think it's only for people with reasonable arguments and an open mind. But it's just that kind of thinking that keeps a lot of decent, honest, God-fearing racists from sharing their crackpot theories.
Christ, if I can do this, anyone can. Believe me."
LOL!
Clyde,
The whites of those cities are not crazy. Those with means assiduously segregate themselves in neighborhoods away from your kind. Those without means are the ones I weep for--as they all too often become prey. As for putting up fences to keep blacks out: I notice this tactic isn't working so well for murdered white South Africans.
And sure, I'll stop crying about the manifest savagery of blacks on precisely the afternoon they stop displaying it. Should the approximately 100 white women raped every single day by blacks stop crying about it as well?
Also please understand: I don't care if my quip "bothers" you. That was hardly its intent. It was simply an observation of the natural state of your kind. Another natural state of your kind is to destroy everything you touch--this website included.
"The Onion's satire extends well into the realm of urban myth puncturing."
I know! That's hilarious stuff too!!!
Link-bomb! LOL! Here you go:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/black-guy-asks-nation-for-change,2409/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/blacks-whites-put-differences-aside-work-together,594/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/donovan-mcnabb-has-perfect-game-for-a-black-quarte,5851/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-to-celebrate-firstever-black-history-month,2140/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/ill-have-you-know-i-have-several-black-friendsters,11021/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/maya-angelou-honored-for-courage-blackness,1643/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/racial-harmony-achieved-by-casting-of-black-actor,1277/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/do-we-really-want-another-black-president-after-th,11365/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/study-reality-tv-reality-unfair-to-blacks,1301/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/black-executive-prominently-displayed,708/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/kkk-member-struggles-to-blame-blacks-for-his-hango,3031/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/missing-white-girl-drives-missing-black-girl-from,3072/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-wont-have-my-daughter-bringing-a-black-man-into,17246/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/like-hell-im-going-to-let-some-black-president-hel,11509/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/george-jefferson-honored-for-black-television-hist,5185/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/peoplewatcher-catches-glimpse-of-rare-north-americ,6769/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/reformist-ku-klux-klan-splinter-group-claims-black,769/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nations-blacks-creeped-out-by-all-the-people-smili,2662/
Anyway, I'll admit, that was probably a waste of time, but I've been laughing for the duration of it, so it doesn't really bother me!
I LOVE The Onion, thanks again!
"I DO get it. You are a close-minded person with little interest in expanding your knowledge."
At the risk of repeating myself...
"I'm not interested in what you think, I've reached my own conclusions about black people, you're not going to change my mind, you aren't dispelling anything."
So once again...why do you bother?
Hey Hillary, do you believe that the readers of this blog are interested in having you expand their knowledge??? Seriously??
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A few more, these are hilarious! Laughter for everyone!
http://www.theonion.com/articles/black-history-month-harriet-tubman,7588/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/black-guy-doesnt-talk-about-all-the-times-he-didnt,4730/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/fritolay-targets-blacks-with-new-menthol-doritos,4569/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/black-history-month-george-washington-carver,7589/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/black-presidents-history-month,7590/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/brown-workers-put-company-in-the-black,9114/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/black-community-united-by-love-of-homeboys-in-oute,9462/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/another-disadvantaged-black-youth-drops-out-of-sch,9697/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/hootie-and-the-blowfish-breaking-down-racial-barri,9408/
http://www.theonion.com/video/dna-evidence-frees-black-man-convicted-of-bear-att,14323/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/blacks-disapprove-of-bush,14850/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-organization-prowhite-aint-antinobody,3419/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/naacp-demands-less-minority-representation-on-upn,3574/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/african-children-given-30000-unused-save-darfur-ts,5512/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/africanamericans-go-from-being-no-good-at-sports-t,7018/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/african-nation-not-wartorn,4485/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/republicans-diversity-through-imported-africans-pl,3426/
Bigot comes from the French and means "an excessively devoted or hypocritical person."
Sounds like you fit the definition to a "T" Hillary.
Of course the tales of the hunt will glorify the hunter. Why should they glorify the lion? Should the lion likewise offer himself up to the hunter?
You live in a fantasy world Hillary. Academia is a fantasy world. Saying that some of A does not fit the general observation of most of A and thus invalidate the thesis is like saying grizzly bears are not dangerous to humans because only a few grizzlies a year attack humans.
"disingenuous - not straightforward or candid; giving a false appearance of frankness"
"She is a perfect genius; she now speaks English well, and has a great talent for music. She has won the affections, but with few exceptions, of all who have known her. She is far in advance of any white child of her age, in aptness of learning, and strength of mind and affection"
What can I say? Crusading White Pedagogues are not a new thing. In fact, much of the motivation for the now much maligned colonization of Africa was due to the idea of the "White Man's Burden"- that all African's needed was for us to show them the way and their genius would be illuminated. Not unlike Bono and Live Eight is it?
What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
-Ecclesiastes 1:9
"a bare "majority" is not a legitimate criterion for decision making"
Tell that to Democracy.
Interview with ex-LAPD narc Mike Ruppert on the CIAs alleged involvement in the drug trade.
Alexander Cockburn on the alleged involvement of the CIA in the drug trade.
An Irishman and Cop.
Is there a such thing as a non-zionist jew? Am I just a hokey pokey tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist? The world will find out soon...
Dave (An actual German if you will)
PS, In reality there are no "American" jews OR "German" jews. Nope, just jews.
Yikes, my finger is sore from scrolling past troll leavings. Trolls are like Zulu in that they often attack en masse.
Say what you will about the general lack of Negro achievement, but he has mastered the art of sophistry. But when it comes to the question of Caucasian survival, the Negro's opinion is irrelevant, even if it is occasionally logical.
BTW SBPDL, if you need a volunteer to screen comments or otherwise help out with the site, drop me a line.
Clyde,
I was using the Onion as satire to ridicule an urban myth and you are using it as an authoritative news source to validate it. The white/black divide laid bare.
You also bleat...
"a bare "majority" is not a legitimate criterion for decision making"
Tell that to Democracy."
One of the other comments noted your sophistry. Here lies another example. But on the off chance you actually believe your own twaddle I'll offer you a challenge which I'm sure every other person here hopes you will take up:
Place two rounds into a revolver. Then spin the cylinder and place the muzzle under your chin. Smile broadly to yourself with the knowledge that the MAJORITY of chambers are empty and thus pose no risk to you whatsoever. Only 1 out of three will send you to your ancestral fecal hut in the sky. Coincidentally 1/3 are the same odds that black males will be criminal--and I know you consider this to be infinitesimal.
So laugh off those odds and pull the trigger. And after the bullet passes pristinely through your empty skull you'll be left to wonder afterwards "Where'd I put that damn banana?"
You must get to the core of the onion & free yourself from the many layers the STAR will trap you in.
Once you solely focus on the singular root cause your vertigo will cease.
Wise Up!
@Black Guy: Yeah, the Onion is excellent and obviously too honest for these fellas! Thanks!
"Another natural state of your kind is to destroy everything you touch--this website included."
What can I say? Kali blessed me, hallelujah! BOOM!
Get it? Kali...thug...get it?
Oh, never mind...
"Sounds like you fit the definition to a "T" Hillary."
You don't read much, do you?
"Why should they glorify the lion?"
Never said they should, said they WOULDN'T. Difference. Distinction. Important.
"You live in a fantasy world Hillary. Academia is a fantasy world."
Academia? You're another person who is leaving comments for me without having read what I wrote. Surprise!
"...is like saying grizzly bears are not dangerous to humans because only a few grizzlies a year attack humans..."
If I wanted to slip into simple bigotry, like some NBPs and all that, I'd just cite how many more people of color have been killed by whites than people of color have killed whites! White people are, according to white history (the hunters own historians!), the most dangerous being on the planet to all other forms of life! If I were a 'bigot' I'd have my own blog, white people would get lampooned on it almost every single day, I wouldn't enter into real discussions with them in any situation, I'd hardly even address them unless I wanted to mock some easy target they left open for me, and 90% of my communication with them would be in the form of insults (because bigots seem to think insults are really effective ways of spreading their message, which, I guess...they are!) and unrelenting repetition of my various mantras and slogans (because bigots also have various mantras and slogans that they use to keep themselves locked into hypnosis). Me, however? I believe humanity is a slightly different subject than grizzly bears, but maybe you don't, that's fine! Grizzly bears are beautiful creatures, anyway. If a bunch of psycho's were on a mission to exterminate and debase them I'd probably be at their blog instead!
"What can I say? Crusading White Pedagogues are not a new thing."
LOL! HE WAS HUNTING SLAVES!! You should check sources before you comment. The girl was ROYALTY. BEFORE she was stolen to Europe she was royalty.
Nihil Novum Sub Sole, a personal favorite, a motto of mine how about Matthew 21:42? Let's trade bible verses!
Anon@3:09 and 3:05:
"do you believe that the readers of this blog are interested in having you expand their knowledge?"
No! Obviously not! But if you had bothered to read like I told you then you would already KNOW that! Genius.
@Dave: Very German name, David. Lol. Irony. 88! (nudge, nudge)
Silent Running:
"when it comes to the question of Caucasian survival, the Negro's opinion is irrelevant, even if it is occasionally logical."
Spoken like I true bewildered bigot.
"Smile broadly to yourself with the knowledge that the MAJORITY of chambers are empty and thus pose no risk to you whatsoever."
LOL, no thanks! But that's wholly inadmissible anyway. You're so clever, figure out why! Here's a hint: there are explicit patterns and combinations that result in certain types of human behavior.
Besides, I'm not Russian.
And, most of those 'criminal' black men are non-violent. And most of the ones who are are violent towards other people of color. So what are you so afraid of?
I have a better idea.
There are about 1 billion white people on earth. There are about 5 billion people of color. Why don't you put 5 rounds in a revolver, one for every 1 billion people of color, and leave one chamber empty, for your precious cause, give the cylinder a little spin, place the muzzle in your mouth at a 45 degree angle, then laugh off THOSE odds and pull the trigger.
Yeah.
Porter,
Tyranny comes Monday. I have been lenient in many of the posts that have been confirmed (and I thank the person who volunteered offering to help, contact me at sbpdl1@gmail.com).
Like the government that I fear is necessary to deal with the problems in America, SBPDL must become tyrannical in what posts make it.
Link bombing is gone (however, I did find the majority of those Onion links humorous Clyde).
Just make your point and move on. Try and stop on topic and we can all enjoy each others cyber-company.
Try and stay on topic, I meant!
"LOL! HE WAS HUNTING SLAVES!! You should check sources before you comment. The girl was ROYALTY. BEFORE she was stolen to Europe she was royalty. "
Are you really that dense? I would expect you to know who the man was since YOU were the one who brought him up after all.
"Sara Forbes Bonetta was a West African Egbado tribal princess who was orphaned in inter-tribal warfare at the age of eight. Intended to be a human sacrifice, she was rescued by Captain Frederick E. Forbes of the Royal Navy, who convinced King Ghezo of Dahomey to give her to Queen Victoria, "She would be a present from the King of the blacks to the Queen of the Whites," Forbes wrote later. He named her Sara Forbes Bonetta."
Crusading White Pedagogue, 19th century model.
I stand by my original assessment.
"I believe humanity is a slightly different subject than grizzly bears, but maybe you don't, that's fine! Grizzly bears are beautiful creatures, anyway. If a bunch of psycho's were on a mission to exterminate and debase them I'd probably be at their blog instead!"
Grizzly bears, Ebola virus, or blacks, the players change but the logic remains, though I am not surprised you missed the point completely and assumed that the grizzly bears themselves were an integral part of my reasoning. Subtlety is obviously not your thing.
But besides that, no one said there was anything wrong with grizzly bears. They are what they are. But would you truly desire to live next door to a family of them Hillary? Really?
You truly are that dense.
Believe it or not I do not advocate any sort of genocide. I believe blacks need their own nation to run into the ground, void of meddlesome whites who keep it together.
"one of the captives of this dreadful slave-hunt was this interesting girl"
"From the Captains mouth. Servants were exchanged with Europeans, humans. Slaves were hunted down and captured, chattel.
Some of you here are intelligent, unlike this anonymous fellow, and should be able to clearly see the difference.
If you don't, well, keep truckin'. "
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It's even worse than that. The expedition to which hillary is referring took place over 60 years after Britain banned the slave trade. I hardly believe a Royal Navy officer would then be taking part in the hunting of slaves for export. The slave hunt to which he is referring is one the AFRICANS carried out against a nearby AFRICAN tribe to capture slaves FOR THEIR OWN USE IN AFRICA!!
I suppose the white man also taught them how to do that.
ROFL.
Most everyone else here hasn't made the slightest attempt at rational discussion with me.
Both Rushton and Jensen are PSYCHOLOGISTS as well. And that paper you have linked is just a pathetic continuation of more of the same, as I indicated it would be in my OP. I already read it. I am not convinced. Rushton is a racist, as is the site you linked to.
I never once, anywhere, ever, at any point, in any way, claimed or even suggested that, taking the theory of evolution as total and indisputable fact, the brain was unaffected by its many and various nebulous mechanisms.
The links I posted were obviously, and explicitly stated, to be to works by the same person. I made no effort to conceal and in fact, after posting them, only discussed Nisbett, since he is the only one I bothered to link to.
The proof I was presenting was obviously to counter your rather explicit assumption that black people are universally, and unalterably, less intelligent than other races. I already informed you that I never said that there weren't racial differences. I think you, and many other racists, have simply misunderstood what modern science, and real biologists, clearly state on these matters.
You asked me to provide you with something impossible, and an idea that I never supported in the first place. There are no credible sources who would say that the brain alone is unaffected by blah blah blah...no one ever said that.
I am sure you've at least skimmed Dawkins' Race and creation and rejected it as timid or fearful or PC, etc.
In fact, I am sure I could provide you with numerous different links and not one of them would pass the test, because your conviction is an emotional one, and thus irrational, and no matter how many pseudo-scientific minds you throw at it (Rushton, Jensen, et. al.) someone with a stronger moral fiber and dedication to truth and true justice will stand up and refute your claims.
Concerning Sarah Bonetta Forbes, I can admit when I'm wrong. Given the context I mistakenly assumed that the good Captain was participating in capturing slaves, since this sort of thing did occur.
However, this still goes to show that you guys here will not discuss anything with me aside from the weakest elements of my presentation.
Thank you for both pointing out my error and proving my point.
Everything else you mentioned concerning the grizzly bears was hyperbole when you originally brought it up and it remains so.
Concerning the African slaves, no Europeans didn't teach them that, I've never said anything of the sort. Almost every culture has had slaves at one point or another. The difference was in the conviction and political posturing of Europeans that still continues to this day that says that Africans are naturally less intelligent and/or sub-human, hence chattel slavery as opposed to what has been in practice for thousands of years the world over.
continued
http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrchap2.htm
The link you provided above is pretty indicative about the kinds of links you are posting. That link you provided is basically trying to say very little with a very lot. Really he's just trying to confuse the reader with some elementary logic while at the same time trying to mask the obvious. I advise anybody reading this to check out the link above and read it for yourself. It a prime example of liberal stupidity. Hey anon, going by that line of reasoning, lets apply it to everything else ok??? Take for example, seasons. Applying his logic, different seasons don't actually exist, i mean, how can you clearly delineate the point at which summer ends and fall begins? You cant!!!. So lets just abolish the concept of seasons all together, no summer, no winter, no fall, no spring. Its all the same right? I mean, since there is no clear delineation that must mean that the separate seasons do not in actuality exist and that its all just a social construct right?? Or hey, what about day and night? They don't really exist because there is no clear transition between the two right? (Obviously wrong, just like your link. God anon you links are so full of shit. Why do you even bother?)
"You asked me to provide you with something impossible, and an idea that I never supported in the first place. There are no credible sources who would say that the brain alone is unaffected by blah blah blah...no one ever said that."
Ok, so you concede that the brain is influenced by genes? And therefore by race? This is a black/white (no pun intended) proposal. Either the brain develops in isolation of genes (therefore racial differences) or it develops according to genetics. Its either yes or no, there is no gray here, thats not me being dogmatic, thats just the nature of the beast. So, whats your stance?
"In fact, I am sure I could provide you with numerous different links and not one of them would pass the test, because your conviction is an emotional one, and thus irrational, and no matter how many pseudo-scientific minds you throw at it (Rushton, Jensen, et. al.) someone with a stronger moral fiber and dedication to truth and true justice will stand up and refute your claims."
hahaha, you just made my day. My conviction is not based on emotions, its based on experiences and logic. Your problem is that you're so "smart" you're stupid. Pseudoscience? wanna see a good example of that? Look at your own links. I already thoroughly thrashed one of them. All that guy does is attempt to rearrange reality in a way that ultimately matters naught. Those articles are nothing more than pathetic thought exercises. I especially love the last part of your paragraph where you couldn't resist throwing in the words, "moral fiber", "truth", "justice" etc. Who's conviction is emotional now? I'll give you a hint, YOURS. Moral fiber and dedication to truth and true justice are by no means mutually inclusive. More often than not "moral fiber" undermines a dedication to truth and true justice. Keep in mind that morals are subjective and change according to the whims of society. Truth on the other hand is a non variable entity. It simply exists, as it is.
PS.
http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrchap1.htm
-in this article again the author tries shifting things around, but like I said, in the end it matters very little. I find it funny how he ends up making a case for race at the same time that he is trying to debunk it.
Like I said, my singular youtube link does a pretty good job of debunking your numerous links. Really, you are pathetic. The only thing the author of this particular link
http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrcontents.htm
succeeds in doing is dancing around the truth, he makes the most absurd arguments that do nothing but insult logic and intelligence.
hahahaha. same old same old.
"The proof I was presenting was obviously to counter your rather explicit assumption that black people are universally, and unalterably, less intelligent than other races."
Strawman much? Universally less intelligent than other races? No. Generally? Yes, very much so. You don't get it, and unfortunately I have yet to meet a black person that does. NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS. There is a pretty sizable number of smart black people, HOWEVER, that does not change the fact that the proportion of smart black people is much lower than say the proportion of smart whites/asians, etc. The use of hyperbole as indicated by the words "universally" and "unalterably" betrays your attempt to try to take my stance to an untenable extreme. I suspect you know deep down that I am right, but you would be loathe to admit it.
Furthermore, I am all for helping black people achieve as much as they are able to, but I draw the line at government intervention, especially where it involves tax payers money, as well as any legislation that negatively affects other people in order to benefit black people. (I might actually be more receptive towards government aid if it actually worked, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Seems to me that any attempt to lift up people of color always ends up the same way. In failure.) Unfortunately...with your types, its always about gimme gimme gimme. Even if you personally do not uphold that mentality, you probably still support the liberal pedagogues that constantly cry out for the need for some new harebrained, socialist wealth distribution scam. Its very simple other anon, if blacks are truly equal and great like everybody else then by their own virtue they should be able to help themselves. Obviously since this is not actually the case, you must keep up the charade that blacks (and all races for that matter) are exactly the same, while simultaneously asking for a handout to "help make things equal." Or predictably, if you don't ask for a handout, then you will attempt to blame somebody else for the failures, thus abdicating yourself of any responsibility for failure and furthermore aiding in the denial of the damning conclusion that maybe man was not created equally afterall.
I wish that you would stop being lazy and maybe attempt to make a concise argument/rebuttal sans all the links. (You sent five this time.) Really, you know if we were like you we could just linkbomb you with whatever we found off the internet. Fortunately we prefer to directly debate instead of trying to misdirect the debate, or in your case, linkbomb everything without having ever really addressed the point in question. That just screams intellectual laziness. I don't think you've ever managed to make your own argument, all you do is link link link link. yawn, boring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZurClqPGLc
Look at that, I just posted a SINGLE link there, to a video discussing frequent fallacies of race denial. I'm sure it addresses the links you posted pretty well.
(continued below)
I don't know about the onion website, but the onion movie was funny.
Steven Segal as cock puncher: "Frankly, I don't thank you have the balls."
http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/steven-seagal-as-cock-puncher/
Hillary, did you know that Francisco Gil-White supports the apartheid and oppression of the Palestinian people by the Israelis? For someone who has devoted his life and studies to fighting "racism", that seems an odd stance to take does it not?
I wonder why he would do that...???
Anon@6:46 and 6:47:
I want no money from you, nor government assistance, where did I ever say that? I think taxation is illegal and should be abolished, especially because many underpaid 'minorities' and poor whites unwittingly end up supporting policies that benefit neither of them.
Just as I assume that you have deep-seated, and predominantly emotional, convictions about race and intelligence (which is justified in my case as you have sent me to white supremacist sites, whereas I have not sent you to ONE black supremacist site), you assume that I want a 'hand-out'.
My major concern, racially speaking, is that the various government agencies involved in the drug-trade, of which I have first hand experience, admit and then cease and desist all destabilizing activities. Then I want the various states to stop the practice of "budget setbacks and increased police presence," racial profiling and police brutality. Then I want the corporate media to stop manufacturing and promoting fake so-called hustlers, in the form of rappers, with the intent to promote violence, lax morals and genocide in the black community. Then I'd like to see racially minded so-called scientists further taken to task on not only the skewed and biased results of their 'research' on intelligence and its distribution through the races, but also on the methods used to measure the aforementioned 'intelligence'.
I believe that the proportion of EDUCATED black people is indeed far lower than the proportion of EDUCATED whites/Asians, but I still haven't seen any conclusive proof that this is due to anything other than cultural and socio-economic conditions.
I would also like to remind you that it has only been about 45 years or so since black people were given a measure of true social equality in this country. 40 years is a VERY short time in which to come to any "damning conclusions" regarding the intelligence of disenfranchised populations. All the while we have still undeniably been plagued with drugs and intense police scrutiny, my position on which has been made clear.
Concerning seasons and day and night, these are two VERY different things and the comparison is inherently flawed because there ARE no universal seasons, nor is there a universal day or night. These are social constructs once again, depending specifically on the observer and his or her current spacial/temporal positioning, strictly speaking, which is precisely what science necessitates, by the way...
I do think black people need to work our shit out on our own, I would just like to see us be allowed to do just that! It would be idealistically best if all races could work with one another unfettered by the burden of prejudice, but since this is seeming more and more impossible (perhaps due to the inordinate amount of time I've been spending 'with' people who have already, and quite swiftly might I add, made up their minds). Still, I believe essentially in the principles of aesthetic realism and the idea that one day, perhaps in the distant future but hopefully far sooner, more and more people will examine truly the reasons for their convictions in an otherwise fluid existence.
I am in the wrong place to be making such statements, it seems. Your calling me pathetic and linking me to vdare makes it very clear!
I believe that true morals are dictated by truth and not emotions. I've already stated my position on brain development and genetics.
And the majority of living geneticists would undeniably disagree that you 'thrashed' anything, just as all astronomers would disagree that you proved anything with your statements about night and day and meteorologists would disagree that you proved anything with your statements about seasons.
Concerning Gil-Whites support of Israel, I wasn't aware of that, but perhaps he takes issue with the PLO's supposed genesis in Nazi Germany. Unfortunately the Israel/Palestine conflict is a more complicated discussion than space or time here permits. I will say that my sympathies are with the Palestinians concerning that issue and that agreeing and disagreeing with the same person on different issues is nothing new.
And, lastly, my 'vacation' is coming to an end and I will alas no longer be able to frolic in the cotton fields with you haters with such regularity! Rejoice, oh Chosen! Rejoice, Superior Beings! Rejoice!
Besides, it appears that censorship has been deemed necessary by the blogs author.
I find kin this timing the same manner of synchronicity that has informed and punctuated all of my worldly experience in this life thus far.
Rejoice!
-Hilarity Ensues/Hillary/Clyde/Anonymous/Etc.
"Everything else you mentioned concerning the grizzly bears was hyperbole when you originally brought it up and it remains so."
Leave it to you to dismiss analogy as hyperbole.
Self-taught eh? Yeah, it shows.
"Concerning Sarah Bonetta Forbes, I can admit when I'm wrong. Given the context I mistakenly assumed that the good Captain was participating in capturing slaves, since this sort of thing did occur.
However, this still goes to show that you guys here will not discuss anything with me aside from the weakest elements of my presentation. "
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Of course you will admit you are wrong. You HAVE to, as you are too lazy to even bother informing yourself on the basic components that comprise your argument and got caught red-handed just making shit up. Francisco Gil-White was fired from the University of Pennsylvania for the same thing. Whatta coincidence eh?
You seem to assume a lot and know very little.
LOL, I was IGNORANT of something, not "caught red-handed just making shit up"! I can admit ignorance, gracefully, when and where it applies! And Gil-White wasn't fired for "making shit up" either. That is false. And I didn't 'have' to address it at all, yet I did. And you use that to try to further your attack? It fails.
And whether or not the Captain was hunting slaves had NOTHING to do with the basic components that comprise my argument and in fact has a decidedly negligible effect. In fact, it could perhaps even support my stance that there was indeed a time when race relations were different, and the idea that this can perhaps once again be so. THAT was a basic component of my argument, and why I brought the issue up in the first place.
Your opinion on what I assume and what I know is inconsequential.
And I wasn't dismissing analogy as hyperbole, just your assertion that living near black people is like living near grizzly bears. In my mind that falls directly under the category of hyperbole, or extravagant exaggeration.
You obviously disagree. That's fine.
But my opinion remains the same, and your analogy is still incredibly flawed to me. However, since you are a bigot you will never see anything from my viewpoint.
That is fine as well.
"depending specifically on the observer and his or her current spacial/temporal positioning, strictly speaking, which is precisely what science necessitates, by the way..."
LOL, this ones a gem. More proof that you attempt to mask your feeble arguments with big words. So basically you're saying day and night exist depending on where you are at(on earth). Seeing as you couldn't just say that in so many words and instead had to resort to a rambling, pompous diatribe replete with an unnecessarily complex verbiage strongly indicates that you yourself don't really have much to say therefore you would instead prefer to try to confuse people or make them feel stupid. Wow. Really clyde? Are you that desperate? And yes clyde, sorry to inform you, but for all intents and purposes, DAY and NIGHT are very much objective, and no amount of wishful thinking is going to reconfigure them into something that they are not. Kind of like with the whole black underachievement thing.
"And the majority of living geneticists would undeniably disagree that you 'thrashed' anything, just as all astronomers would disagree that you proved anything with your statements about night and day and meteorologists would disagree that you proved anything with your statements about seasons."
Lol typical clyde, trying to reverse arguments and misdirect hoping that nobody catches on. You know clyde, like i was saying earlier, using Gil-Whites reasoning, day and night, as well as the seasons do not exist. That is the kind of reasoning that YOU suggest we all use, specifically with regards to race. I doubt any meteorologist or astronomer worth his salt would try to argue that said phenomena do not exist. So therefore it would not be ME that they are disagreeing with, only YOU.
"I believe that true morals are dictated by truth and not emotions. I've already stated my position on brain development and genetics."
You stated a lot of nothing. Like you always do. You try to hide your position (or lack thereof) in a shroud of ambiguity. You're hopeless. I love how you always dance around the issue and try to avoid directly addressing anything. Go troll somewhere else with your pathetic pseudo-intellectualism.
"You seem to assume a lot and know very little."
Well said anon 2:08, I couldnt have said it better myself. Hilarity/clyde or whoever anon is is an expert at assumption and misdirection. Furthermore, I think the only words in his/her vocabulary are "racist", "prejudice", "social justice" etc etc etc. Clyde, you're nothing but a broken record; the only thing that you and I have in common is that neither of us will ever back down or change our mind. The difference between us is that I am right, and you are wrong. You have the mistaken perception that everybody is working to keep the black man down just because of their prejudices or whatever. Doesn't that sound a little silly? I think I speak for everybody here when I say that the main issue with black people is their BEHAVIOR, I could care less about what color their skin is and im aware that sounds disingenuous as hell but its the truth.
"I would also like to remind you that it has only been about 45 years or so since black people were given a measure of true social equality in this country. 40 years is a VERY short time in which to come to any "damning conclusions" regarding the intelligence of disenfranchised populations. All the while we have still undeniably been plagued with drugs and intense police scrutiny, my position on which has been made clear."
Wow man, you're right! This explain black underachievement everywhere! So this is why blacks in africa still live in third world squalor. Oh wait a minute, thats in africa. You were only talking about america right? HMMM, I wonder why it is thats blacks have yet to come up with a first world society that people are dying to immigrate to. Thats one thing I have yet to see. (a first world nation made by blacks that is, whites coming in and running the place does not count.)
"Concerning seasons and day and night, these are two VERY different things and the comparison is inherently flawed because there ARE no universal seasons, nor is there a universal day or night. These are social constructs once again, depending specifically on the observer and his or her current spacial/temporal positioning, strictly speaking, which is precisely what science necessitates, by the way..."
Everybody pay attention to this. This paragraph here epitomizes why nothing clyde says is worth listening to. Clyde is trying to tell us that DAY and NIGHT are SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS! LOLLLL. Wow dude, you really take subjectivity to an unfeasible extreme. I suppose nothing is objective to you? Very typical of most blacks i've met. Can't tell you how many "religious" blacks will try to excuse their sinful behavior with the quip "only god can judge me". Or they'll contort anything into justification for their questionable actions. What you're saying sounds like the same shit. I'll tell you one thing that SBPDL is, its OBJECTIVITY/REALITY.
Because the earth isn't a spherical formation hurtling through space, right?
My position is clear. All healthy human beings from all races are, given the right environment, capable of anything that anyone from any other race is.
I suppose words are meaningless at this point, as I can't be any clearer than I have been.
"resort to a rambling, pompous diatribe replete with an unnecessarily complex verbiage"
If there was anything 'unnecessarily complex' about the 'verbiage' in my 'rambling, pompous diatribe' then forgive me. Would you prefer the equations of Einsteins relativity theory?
And I am not burdened by a paranoid complex that 'everyone' is working to keep anyone down. I simply believe there is a minority working in true Machiavellian style to keep certain minority populations, poor whites included, in strategically viable positions. I believe that the selection of these groups is almost arbitrary and can shift at any moment, and I further believe that you and many people like you play your roles quite exceptionally.
I believe that at one time there was a campaign to defame Africa and her natives, to strip us of our history and humanity, that it was largely due to economic pressures experienced by a minority of 'businessmen' and politicians involved in the slave trade, that bigotry set in as an obvious result of that kind of demonization, that many wrongs were committed against humanity in general during that very brief period, and that this bigotry sadly became a cultural source of identity for many and further enabled more atrocities to be perpetrated and largely overlooked until the 1960's, and that this inherited cultural bigotry remains entrenched in some branches of society to this day, as evidenced by this site and its supporters.
Must I be more clear?
I believe that if Darwinian evolution is absolute truth then genes and the brain are inherently related, as the theory of natural selection maintains. However, I don't believe that there has been any indisputable evidence that declares Africans are naturally less intelligent than Europeans.
Day & night is a neutral binary social construct, like black & white, and the seasons are quaternary social constructs. Even in places where four definable seasons exist there are often drastic differences from year to year, and over time those differences have been becoming more and more pronounced. See also: equatorial regions, etc. I never said they don't exist. I said they exist primarily, as all other things, in the mind of the observer. Or have you not been keeping up with your physics?
"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye.
The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract."
- Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
Clyde,
You blacks really are a laugh-riot...without the laughter. That last tortured prison-cell philosopher comment did bring a chuckle though.
"All healthy human beings from all races are, given the right environment, capable of anything that anyone from any other race is."
If by "given the right environment" you meant to say "given a mean triple figure IQ" then your statement might be correct. As it is you could put a society of blacks in any "right environment" of your choosing and they would emerge the same as they have for time immemorial. But I'm only basing my presumption on an extrapolation of thousands of years of human condition, while you have your own fantasies in your corner. But before you begin imagining your kind with space programs, perhaps you'll first logically imagine them able to feed themselves.
"And I am not burdened by a paranoid complex that 'everyone' is working to keep anyone down. I simply believe there is a minority working in true Machiavellian style to keep certain minority populations, poor whites included, in strategically viable positions"
Now that was amusing. A thesis which is immediately refuted in the very next sentence. Likewise, I'm not burdened by the complex that blacks are violent, unintelligent, parasites. I simply believe that their low group IQ and tendency to settle disputes with blades and firearms only exacerbates their inability to provide for themselves without white charity.
"I don't believe that there has been any indisputable evidence that declares Africans are naturally less intelligent than Europeans."
Clyde, you must remember to never undertake a career in law. Of course there is no indisputable evidence. Because the overwhelming evidence that exists is disputed by blacks. See how easy that is? Anything you don't like is not "indisputable" because of your very dispute. For that matter, you and some other black shaman could dispute the existence of Jupiter. Viola, its existence is no longer indisputable.
Apply this same style of child-like logic to your everyday life and then report to us how your stunted career advancement is completely a result of white oppression.
"stunted career advancement"
LOL!!! Porter. STFU.
And 'a paranoid complex' and 'lucid awareness', though they might seem to the ignorant and uninitiated to be the same thing, are two entirely different monsters.
-Clyde
I think porter handled you pretty well. Theres not much more to add. I will address a few of your points that made me laugh a little bit.
"If there was anything 'unnecessarily complex' about the 'verbiage' in my 'rambling, pompous diatribe' then forgive me. Would you prefer the equations of Einsteins relativity theory?"
I was being facetious, I find it humorous that you think its ironic the way I was addressing you when in fact I was mocking you. LOL. Not surprising though, like everything else (including truth and objective reality), this went completely over your head.
"My position is clear. All healthy human beings from all races are, given the right environment, capable of anything that anyone from any other race is."
This appears to be largely wishful thinking. Sounds like you expect every other race to slow down and hold the black races hand so that they can succeed too. You see, blacks may be somewhat as capable as other races but this is only with extensive assistance, and even then they are typically not up to par with other races. I really hate to say that, but its the truth. Furthermore, I can shed only crocodile tears for the plight of most blacks because most of their problems originate with them. There is a minority of blacks that are smart, productive, plan ahead, etc. (aka the talented 10th) but it seems like the other 90% have a real severe tendency to shoot themselves in the foot (repeatedly) with rather poor choices. (honestly I think 10% is being overly generous. but thats an entirely different tangent. And even the talented minority are only really about average compared to other races.) Really its quite obvious that you're taking a conclusion beforehand and trying to make reality confirm to that. Unfortunately, thats not really how things work. Can't fit a square peg in a round hole.
"inherited cultural bigotry remains entrenched in some branches of society to this day, as evidenced by this site and its supporters."
I think you were lying about not going to college. This sounds like the typical sociology crap that you'd learn there. Furthermore, the bigotry is not inherited, it comes from experience dealing with blacks. This may come as a surprise to you, but "bigotry" against blacks is a fairly global phenomena. Sorry but most people do not like your kind. Not because of your skin color, but because of your general behavior.
"I believe that if Darwinian evolution is absolute truth then genes and the brain are inherently related, as the theory of natural selection maintains. However, I don't believe that there has been any indisputable evidence that declares Africans are naturally less intelligent than Europeans."
The evidence is everywhere, occams razor occams razor occams razor. Theres nothing more I can really say. If blacks were the same as europeans then they would have created modern civilization. Alas they have not, and from my dealings with most black people, I can tell you that I am not surprised.
"Day & night is a neutral binary social construct, like black & white, and the seasons are quaternary social constructs. Even in places where four definable seasons exist there are often drastic differences from year to year, and over time those differences have been becoming more and more pronounced. See also: equatorial regions, etc. I never said they don't exist. I said they exist primarily, as all other things, in the mind of the observer. Or have you not been keeping up with your physics?"
True, so all these things exist only in the mind of the observer. Thanks for telling me that. Thanks once again for demonstrating your irrefutable intelligence. I think i'm going to go for a drive tonight without my headlights on. I mean, since its all in my head it shouldn't matter right? Clyde, your views are dumb as they are impractical. IRL you must be the most incompetent person to ever walk the earth. I can't imagine you being able to accomplish much of anything besides talking out of your ass. Of course...to you we're all bigots right? hahaha, you're pathetic
"If there was anything 'unnecessarily complex' about the 'verbiage' in my 'rambling, pompous diatribe' then forgive me. Would you prefer the equations of Einsteins relativity theory?"
Obviously I was being facetious. Its pretty funny that that went over your head, like just about everything else. Truth included.
"My position is clear. All healthy human beings from all races are, given the right environment, capable of anything that anyone from any other race is."
Correction, this is what you would like to believe is the case. You keep on trying to fit a square peg into the round hole. Your problem is that you work from an assumption, and then you try to bend reality to fit said assumption. I on the other hand assume nothing, I merely work with what reality gives me. Funny how other ethnic/racial groups in the united states have faced severe discrimination too, yet for some reason they manage to rise above it. HMMMM. Of course you have yet to explain why blacks across the world generally underachieve. Even in areas with no whites at all. Quite fascinating right? But of course I forget, we're all the same inside right? lmao
In the interests of civility though, even though I disagree with you completely and know that you are wrong, I will say this. It is people like you that inadvertently hurt black people. You see, by telling black people that they are the same as every other race, you give them unreasonable expectations, and then when they fail to meet said expectations it is VERY tempting to try to blame it on racism or prejudice. I think thats a natural reaction. Now I don't propose beating black people over the head with the notion that they are inferior, I think that would be morally questionable, but at the same time, blaming everything on prejudice and racism is not much better. Why should blacks be motivated to improve themselves (and their communities) when people like you are telling them that its not their fault, its the racist white mans' fault. All you are doing is attempting to externalize a reason for black underachievement. Then again...contra what i just said, it might not really matter what you do or say. I mean look at africa, I highly doubt that they have opinionated, pretentious hacks like you over there to stir the pot, and still look at them, the place is a mess.
You ought to approve my last comment SBPDL. It's no more off-topic than the other one you approved from the other anonymous today, just hours before I made mine. If could just approve that one and ignore this one if you want. Perhaps you simply haven't gotten around to reading it...men can dream...oh wait, no, a comment was just approved at 1:40pm that had nothing to do with American history X, etc...well, here goes!
Hey Anon, no need to 'correct' me. That is my position! And I know you were being facetious! Contrary to popular opinion, I'm no fool. That is precisely why I quoted all of that 'unnecessarily complex verbiage' back at you. Oh well...
"In the interest of civility..." (?)
It is the fault of black people who try to uplift their brothers and sisters that black people say white people are racist and blame white people for being brought to America and herded into ghettos and called niggers and monkeys? Talk about missing the sharp edge of Occam's Razor! Wow! You know, maybe some white people are superior at mental gymnastics!
"Of course you have yet to explain why blacks across the world generally underachieve."
Depends on what you mean by achievement, really, on what you think is worthy of achieving. Have you ever even been to Africa? Among black people? Among native cultures? The very few areas where whites have not left indelible influences are quite self-sufficient, existing in a balance with nature and their surroundings that far surpasses anything Americans have "achieved". You know, just because you're moving doesn't mean you're moving forward, or in a desirable direction.
And SBPDL, why not post my other response? I wonder if you will even post this one? I have a deal for you. Post my other response, and this one, and I won't make any more posts on this topic, you, or whoever the other anonymous is can get the final word, and I will walk away. You won't have to post any other comments anyway!
"I think you were lying about not going to college."
Typical. You can't accept what I'm saying so I must be lying. (I love how you think I went to college though, it's not the first time someone has been surprised to find that I haven't been.) On very rare occasions I wish I hadn't been kicked out of HS, had gone to college, but all it takes is a moment of reflection on the life I've had since leaving school, and a brief perusal of the opinions of many college-educated individuals, and I'm all better again!
I got my GED in the winter of 2005, in Philly. I went to a trade school (audio engineering) in LA in 2006. That was a breeze too, by the way. I'm no sociology major, I've never even taken a class at a college (though I may in the future).
"Furthermore, the bigotry is not inherited"
Yeah, and neither is poverty. Please. Reevaluate that statement. It is SO easy for too many white people to have a few bad experiences and then, bolstered by the rampant racism that has informed the last century, regress into archaic modalities. Even the Onion poked fun at this tendency, it's so widespread.
And this may come as a surprise to you, but people everywhere hate white people as well. Take off the blinders. Just because the Japanese are polite to you doesn't mean they want you around. Their politeness is a social construct, just like the racism of many Europeans. Every group is hated by some other group for some stereotypical reason. My focus, when it comes to race, is to discover the real and hidden motivations behind that hate or disapproval, and hopefully remove it. Nothing is ever as simple as it seems, you can repeat Occam's Razor over and over again (never mind that you're getting it all wrong: "The popular interpretation of this principle is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. However, this is often confused, as the "simple" 'is really referring to the theory with the fewest new assumptions.'" And further: "Occam's razor is not an embargo against the positing of any kind of entity, or a recommendation of the simplest theory come what may (note that simplest theory is something like "only I exist" or "nothing exists").
The other things in question are the evidential support for the theory. Therefore, according to the principle, a simpler but less correct theory should not be preferred over a more complex but more correct one. It is this fact which gives the lie to the common misinterpretation of Occam's Razor that "the simplest" one is usually the correct one.
For instance, classical physics is simpler than more recent theories; nonetheless it should not be preferred over them, because it is demonstrably wrong in certain respects." It always annoys me when people invoke principles they don't fully understand.)
And I never once said we were all the same, but I did say we were equal, in history as well as in potential. All human cultures have unquestionably contributed to human existence in different, but equally human, amounts. And Africans did create their own civilizations, they just weren't European ones, and that is entirely unsurprising to me given the religious and cultural beliefs of many Africans (and many other indigenous people) that the society that is most balanced with nature is the most advanced kind of society. You ought to just admit that you're bigoted and biased and not really interested in reality. Call me a n****r or something, and get on with your life. By the way, calling me 'pathetic' doesn't bother me, it was just because it was telling that I pointed it out.
And you're very welcome to drive through darkness with no headlights on, although it may not end well (for you). But by all means, carry out the experiment if you're not satisfied with modern physics.
Or you could just read up more and stop focusing on petty things.
It won't hurt you to approve my posts. Will it?
I see, perhaps you're withholding my posts until a large enough number of other posters pretend that they've smashed and defeated all of my arguments, and a large enough number of people view their retorts, so that mine end up buried and lost, invalidated by the 'onslaught'. Is that right? Yeah, nothing like that happened with African history or anything, either...
And no good, moral white man ever censored anything concerning African achievements either.
This is obvious.
I laugh out loud.
Maybe now you'll allow my posts to come through, to try to make me seem paranoid and given to hysterics and delusions of persecution.
I still laugh out loud.
I see you.
Dear Clyde
I hope you realize by now that I am only debating you for my entertainment. All of your arguments and anything you say is easily debunked. The fact that you obviously take all of this more seriously than anybody else here provides a source of never ending laughs for everyone but you. That being said...lets get along with the business of tearing apart your latest attempt at intelligent discourse.
"It is the fault of black people who try to uplift their brothers and sisters that black people say white people are racist and blame white people for being brought to America and herded into ghettos and called niggers and monkeys?"
Yeah pretty much. In america I never hear chinese people obsessing about the past discrimination they faced, or japanese people for that matter, yet look at how much they achieve. Maybe if black people weren't so busy blaming whitey and spent more time improving themselves then they wouldn't be so bad off. Whats the point of trying to better yourself if you (mistakenly) assume that an external entity is to blame for your lack of progress?
"Depends on what you mean by achievement, really, on what you think is worthy of achieving. Have you ever even been to Africa? Among black people? Among native cultures? The very few areas where whites have not left indelible influences are quite self-sufficient, existing in a balance with nature and their surroundings that far surpasses anything Americans have "achieved". You know, just because you're moving doesn't mean you're moving forward, or in a desirable direction."
I agree with you. Blacks are capable of running a primitive society. I highly doubt though that anything they establish could rival skyscrapers, space travel, tv, cellphones, etc etc etc. Of course...progress is just a social construct right? To you, everything is subjective right? There are no absolutes right? If you choose to believe that the african way is so much better then I implore you to cease using the internet immediately! throw away your cellphone, sell your car and any other remaining piece of technology. Essentially with your response you're pretty much agreeing with what I said regarding black underachievement.
"Typical. You can't accept what I'm saying so I must be lying. (I love how you think I went to college though, it's not the first time someone has been surprised to find that I haven't been.)"
I love how you totally miss things. Stuff just has a penchant for going completely over your head no? I only assumed you went to college because of the idiotic views that you spew. I guess I am surprised that said stupidity came from your own mind and not from an institution. Congratulations!
"I got my GED in the winter of 2005, in Philly. I went to a trade school (audio engineering) in LA in 2006. That was a breeze too, by the way. I'm no sociology major, I've never even taken a class at a college (though I may in the future)."
The fact that you need to brag speaks volumes about your own insecurity. Since you feel the need to impress us that must mean that your own esteem is not firmly rooted in yourself. Funny how you try to covertly gain approval from the "bigots" you despise.
"Yeah, and neither is poverty. Please. Reevaluate that statement. It is SO easy for too many white people to have a few bad experiences and then, bolstered by the rampant racism that has informed the last century, regress into archaic modalities. Even the Onion poked fun at this tendency, it's so widespread."
No, you reevaluate your own statement. Define a "few" bad experiences. Most people's experiences with blacks are usually negative, unless of course you enjoy a loud, racous, violence prone atmosphere. I personally do not. Furthermore, its selfish of you to try to impel people to unquestioningly accept blacks when personal experiences and statistics say that to do so would probably turn out badly.
"And this may come as a surprise to you, but people everywhere hate white people as well. "
This may or may not be true, but I know one thing for certain, people everywhere hate black people more! LOLLLL
"My focus, when it comes to race, is to discover the real and hidden motivations behind that hate or disapproval, and hopefully remove it"
The real and hidden motivations behind that hate or disapproval is the fact that the behavior of most blacks is disagreeable. There you go, I explained it for you.
"However, this is often confused, as the "simple" 'is really referring to the theory with the fewest new assumptions."
My theory, for why blacks behave the way they do is based on evolution, and genetics. Therefore, occams razor is making the most obvious and expedient connection. You on the other hand are trying to say there is some huge global conspiracy afoot to try to suppress the black man. Tell me that im the one whos misunderstanding occams razor. psssh you are sad.
"And I never once said we were all the same, but I did say we were equal, in history as well as in potential."
More wishful thinking. Reality does not agree with your equality hypothesis. And assuming that we are not all the same, how do you propose that all people can be equal in history and potential? Thats where your theory breaks down. And I know that you have no logical way to explain that discrepency. Would a 'different but equal' people be able to build and run a modern, technologically advanced civilization on their own? Yes, they should be able to. But thus far have not. Occams razor says that your theory is bunk.
"You ought to just admit that you're bigoted and biased and not really interested in reality"
No, I am the one looking at reality. You are not. All I can admit to, is working with what reality gives me. All you do is ignore reality while spouting out your hopelessly misguided (purposely deceptive?) conjecture. You get debunked and thrashed time and time again. I have not changed my basic arguments, but you keep squirming around trying to adjust and patch up your arguments whenever I (regularly) blow a hole through them. Again, a good example of occams razor. It would be easier for you to just admit that you're wrong. I haven't given up an inch on anything, but you on the other hand have backed up on numerous points. You're losing ground at an alarming rate! lmao
"And you're very welcome to drive through darkness with no headlights on, although it may not end well (for you). But by all means, carry out the experiment if you're not satisfied with modern physics."
Just using your rationale. You were the one who said day and night were subjective. I mean, there is no clear point at which day becomes night, therefore, this totally invalidates the concept of day and night right? Am I correct? You are the genius here remember?
"I see, perhaps you're withholding my posts until a large enough number of other posters pretend that they've smashed and defeated all of my arguments, and a large enough number of people view their retorts, so that mine end up buried and lost, invalidated by the 'onslaught'. Is that right? Yeah, nothing like that happened with African history or anything, either..."
No, we don't have to pretend, we do smash and defeat all your arguments. Behind your eloquent delivery is nothing but lies and distortions of the truth.
"And no good, moral white man ever censored anything concerning African achievements either."
African achievements? ah, you mean the spear! or were you thinking about the mudhut? I would be more able to take your assertions seriously if you didn't link to a bunch of afrocentric crap. I'll tell you one thing that I know a black personal actually invented, The supersoaker.
I wonder why you even bother coming here. I mean, I debate with you for my entertainment, but what about you? Do you honestly think that you're going to change any minds with your hackneyed, half assed arguments? You came to SPBDL with a predetermined assumption (maintained independently of reality), all the readers at SPBDL on the other hand have ended up here as a result of our experiences. That observation right there says volumes.
If I wasn't having fun I wouldn't be here myself! I like watching you dodge all the weighty points by labeling them 'Afrocentric' or not addressing them at all, and then attacking only the smallest things I say. I also like watching you 'tearing apart' my arguments with the most feeble and myopic retorts this side of Neverland. But, of course, since you're just having fun, this is to be expected.
"In america I never hear chinese people obsessing about the past discrimination..>"
How many Chinese people do you even know? What do you think the vast majority of Chinese people in China think about the Opium Wars? Chinese people have a vastly different culture (and were able to largely keep their history intact, unlike Africans and African American, and they were also not enslaved by whites for centuries. Perhaps this video will change the way you view people of Chinese descent. There is a rage brewing there as well.
The same goes for the Japanese and Koreans. Even though they have modernized and even surpassed Europeans at their own game they still have a deep connection to their own history and ancestry. Their upbringings also often dictate what you do and don't hear them 'griping' about in public. I have a large number of Asian friends (two Asian ex-girlfriends, broke up with them to move to other cities, before you speculate, you probably think all black men cheat, but I don't), and they do indeed discuss and analyze what prejudice they've experienced, individually and collectively. Perhaps my blackness allows them to feel more comfortable in expressing such things to me, who knows. Many Japanese people, especially older ones (as is the case with black people) hold strong grudges against Americans and Europeans.
The whole race thing is so much more detailed than you wish to pretend.
To me, most things are subjective. Yes. You are correct. And my uncle, who lives in silicon valley and has since the 70's, wouldn't recommend that I stop using the net. Beside, I never, not once, said African culture was SUPERIOR. I said it was more in balance with nature, therefore it had merits of its own, of a distinctly different nature than the merits of European culture, which tend towards worshiping technology and progress. And I don't own a car, I move around too much. And a black man was instrumental in developing the microphones used in telephones, as well as many other things, with Bell Labs. I believe there's a link floating around on one of these topics. Find it.
And I didn't miss your implication, I just find it funny and typical that you thought I was lying.
Bragging about getting my GED, attending a trade school and not taking college classes? No, sorry. PRESENTING THE TRUTH is what you SHOULD have said. Since I was accused of lying I decided to present the truth.
And I don't need approval from you (bigots), I already told you why I post here. I know exactly what and who I am. I think it is you who can't stand that fact. So you try, and fail, to denigrate me and belittle me at every turn. Nearly every single one of your responses is an ad hominem and not relevant to any of the major points I present.
And since you can't accept that your easy backslide into racism is often a hereditary trait yet insist on using the same old tired stereotypes to justify your bias, I guess I'll leave you alone on that one. Although white people are just as loud as black people. Ever been to a bar? "Wooo!" Etc. Ever been to a white supremacist demonstration? "WHITE POWR! WHITE POWR!" lol...Screaming 'white power' over everything won't make it go away.
And a lot of my experience with whites reveals a profound moral bankruptcy, often far worse than anything I've ever seen in a black community, yet I don't let that inform my opinions about the rest of them.
And what totally invalidates the concept of day and night as absolutes, genius, is that while it is daytime on one side of the planet, it is invariably nighttime on the other. So there is never an absolute state of 'dayness' or 'nightness'. Or while fetishizing Asians as upright members of the community did you fail to understand the concepts of Yin and Yang? Using heavy-handed analogies to attempt to illustrate subtle concepts is hyperbole, and you'll only end up confusing yourself.
And behind all of your somewhat less eloquent arguments are more lies and distortions of the truth. I can say the same thing. It doesn't change that you haven't smashed or defeated anything.
Yes, I was thinking of spears and mudhuts, but also stone structures and pyramids and empires, etc.
And no, I don't think I'll have any effect whatsoever on your contracted mind, but again, I've already stated why I post here. you could just read instead of continuing to ask me the same old questions.
And your final 'observation' only says volumes about how little you actually know of 'reality'.
I am a firefighter and some of our training is terrorism awareness. Like people who plan to attack emergency responders to hurt or kill them. What is the difference here? The U.S. has a war on terrorism so why dont they start here. Emergency Service Workers risk their lives on daily basis to help these same peole that want to attack them. I dont really care what color these attackers were but they have no business living and breathing in the USA.The really sad thing is that these attackers were adults! Not children who didnt know right from wrong. If the adults cant lead by example their children are doomed!I cant believe these people have zero respect for the people that are out there to protect them and come to their rescue at a moments notice 24/7 365 days a year.I hope these attacker are made examples of for the entire USA!!!
"If I wasn't having fun I wouldn't be here myself! I like watching you dodge all the weighty points by labeling them 'Afrocentric' or not addressing them at all, and then attacking only the smallest things I say."
Weighty points? I was not aware that you had brought up any. Then again this is not surprising coming from an intellectual light weight like yourself.
"I also like watching you 'tearing apart' my arguments with the most feeble and myopic retorts this side of Neverland. But, of course, since you're just having fun, this is to be expected."
I operate from a position of logic. Your arguments fall up with the application of logic. Its quite simple. Nothing feeble or myopic about that.
"How many Chinese people do you even know?"
Four or five I know pretty closely, all of them are high achievers. I don't hear them talk much about race, additionally they mostly hang out with other asians or white people. Wow, look at what you can achieve when you graduate from the victim mentality!
"What do you think the vast majority of Chinese people in China think about the Opium Wars?"
They are too busy making china into a global superpower to fixate on the past.
I took the time to check out your video link. I was expecting something serious. Unfortunately all I found was a really stupid video. Kind of going back on what I was saying earlier, chinese people will almost universally prefer a white person to a black person. I recall hearing that there are TONS of slurs for black people in the chinese language.
"I have a large number of Asian friends (two Asian ex-girlfriends, broke up with them to move to other cities, before you speculate, you probably think all black men cheat, but I don't),"
*Correction, I suspect that they probably broke up with you. You're a fairly annoying personality, I couldn't imagine talking to you for more than 5 minutes without getting a severe migraine.
"The whole race thing is so much more detailed than you wish to pretend."
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, talk about irony. Tell that to yourself, the fact that race is more detailed than you even know is something I have been trying to get through your thick head from the very beginning. Race is more than just the color of your skin bub.
"And since you can't accept that your easy backslide into racism is often a hereditary trait yet insist on using the same old tired stereotypes to justify your bias, I guess I'll leave you alone on that one. Although white people are just as loud as black people. Ever been to a bar? "Wooo!" Etc. Ever been to a white supremacist demonstration? "WHITE POWR! WHITE POWR!" lol...Screaming 'white power' over everything won't make it go away."
Lol, I have never been to a white power demonstration, and i'm betting you haven't either. Funny you say that considering that we have a BLACK supremacist as POTUS. I think blacks are definitely more rowdy than whites, especially in groups. A generalization yes, but in my experience it is a trend I see more often than not.
"And a lot of my experience with whites reveals a profound moral bankruptcy, often far worse than anything I've ever seen in a black community, yet I don't let that inform my opinions about the rest of them."
Hahahahahahaha, ok im gonna try to stop laughing long enough to reply to this. Please define "profound moral bankruptcy". That's an extremely subjective and ambiguous statement. (but isnt everything that way with you?) I just have a hard time seeing whites as more criminal? morally bankrupt? (whatever that means) than the black community.
Just letting you know, I don't really mind blacks, but I refuse to make excuses for them, or condone their (collectively) bad behavior. I think that just because blacks may lag behind in terms of intellectual achievement does not discredit their claim to humanity. Furthermore, I have met plenty of friendly blacks, and yes a bright one or two (sorry you're not one of them), but that still does not change the fact that I have had many negative experiences with blacks as well, as have many people that I know. Apparently, I am not alone, hence this site. The point is, 99% of the readers here do not universally hate blacks and are not raging bigots like you try to make us out to be, all we are doing here, is pointing out the obvious with regards to our darker counterparts. One more thing I have noticed is that the blacks I have met who seem to be doing pretty well are usually the ones that are least fixated with the race issue. You could learn a thing or two. You can better your people, by simply bettering yourself. I think you let this race stuff totally consume you. Remember, you're the one who believes in global racial conspiracies, not I.
"To me, most things are subjective. Yes. You are correct. And my uncle, who lives in silicon valley and has since the 70's, wouldn't recommend that I stop using the net. Beside, I never, not once, said African culture was SUPERIOR. I said it was more in balance with nature, therefore it had merits of its own, of a distinctly different nature than the merits of European culture, which tend towards worshiping technology and progress."
There you go again clyde, dancing around the truth. Does african culture have its own merits? Yes, I believe it does. Credit should be given where it is due. However I do believe that objectively speaking, european culture is superior in almost every way. Apparently worshiping technology and progress gets you farther than whatever it is africans worship. Looks to me like you are subtly conceding the point to me, it must be too much to just admit that you're wrong. Not surprising but whatever
"And I don't own a car, I move around too much. And a black man was instrumental in developing the microphones used in telephones, as well as many other things, with Bell Labs. I believe there's a link floating around on one of these topics. Find it."
Did you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Beebe_Blackman? LOL clyde, there is a difference between a person of african descent and the last name blackman. hahahahahaha. In all seriousness though, the onus is on YOU to find it, you brought it up. I really doubt a black man was instrumental in developing the microphone used in telephones, but if he actually did I would not hesistate to give credit where credit is due. (unlike you, who is unable to openly concede on anything even when you are clearly wrong.) Furthermore, where did all these black inventors go? Why aren't they still inventing stuff? LOLLLL. Maybe the more plausible explanation is that they never really existed in the manner that they are portrayed by afrocentrists like you.
"And I don't need approval from you (bigots), I already told you why I post here. I know exactly what and who I am. I think it is you who can't stand that fact. So you try, and fail, to denigrate me and belittle me at every turn. Nearly every single one of your responses is an ad hominem and not relevant to any of the major points I present."
No, we regularly debunk your crap. You fail to do the same. I think I can't stand the fact that you're frequently intellectually lazy or dishonest.
"intellectual light weight"
Ad hominem.
"Four or five I know pretty closely, all of them are high achievers."
Well, I guess my argument does 'fall' under the impressive weight of those numbers!
"They are too busy making china into a global superpower to fixate on the past."
They are making a global superpower because of the past. Or are you really that short-sighted?
"chinese people will almost universally prefer a white person to a black person. I recall hearing that there are TONS of slurs for black people in the chinese language."
LOL! Not according to that video, or my experience with hundreds if not thousands of Chinese people in urban areas (even though there is some tension we still get along, little Chinese girls stroll through some of the roughest neighborhoods in Philly on a daily basis, even at night, and they're left alone 99.9% of the time, as are the men). And speaking of slurs? LOL, there are far more for whites and Japanese than for blacks. Here's a sample (I know how to say these but not how to spell them, so yeah, I looked some up): yáng guǐzi - foreign devil
guǐlǎo - white devil
yao jar guai - is like a snack that originated during the Opium Wars, means old fried devil
hóng máo guǐzi - red fur devil
ang mo kow - red hair monkey
ang mo gui - red hair devil
fan guai - caveman, basically
mán zi - foreign barbarian
They call us 'black chimp' and 'black devil' as well. I don't know of any other ones, however. Maybe 'Old black', but that's not always 'racist', they also say 'old foreigner' for white folk. 'Racism' as it exists in America, is hardly applicable in Asia, anyhow. They're 'racist' towards each other more than anyone else. Kind of how other Europeans used to be (and often still are) towards the Italians and Irish, etc.
Whoever told you that was probably subtly pulling your leg.
And no, they didn't break up with me. LOL! That's sad.
"european culture is superior in almost every way"
Tell that nonsense to the oceans, the forests, the jungles, the plains, the rivers, the lakes and the animals. And let's not forget the indigenous peoples of every continent.
"worshiping technology and progress gets you farther than whatever it is africans worship"
If you mean farther into an intractable quagmire divorced from nature and buffered by often toxic artificial surroundings then you are correct.
I'm not 'subtly conceding' anything, though I do see a lot of worth in European culture and some of their technological advancements. Far too many of them are originally developed for military and genocidal applications though, and thus a red shadow is cast over a possible majority of them. For billions of years the earth has mostly harmonious and then came the last 200 hundred years of 'advancement'. Now look at the planet. Oh, I forgot, you can't see it because you've isolated yourself from it.
"I really doubt a black man was instrumental in developing the microphone used in telephones"
I was talking about James E. West, who loves his daughter more than life, write that down. Here's the wiki page which is just a little more in depth than the one you sent me to.
There are plenty of other black inventors, and there will be more and more as time passes. There have already been millions upon millions of them throughout history, but you seem to consider their contributions negligible (evidenced by pointing out spears and mudhuts), so I'm not interested in wasting any more time on that particular issue with you, since I've already laid it out elsewhere.
And I haven't been lazy or dishonest in any sense, that's pure conjecture and we already know your bias.
And I have passed by white power demonstrations, actually, and all they do is scream about White POWR, niggers, spics and Jews. I kept it moving.
"I think blacks are definitely more rowdy than whites, especially in groups."
And many black people think mosh-pits and slam-dancing are insane. Have you never been in a mosh-pit? All youth groups tend to get rowdy when they congregate, especially if there is alcohol involved. What you 'think' is hardly a hard proof, but I'm glad you acknowledged that one. I've seen just as many rowdy-ass white groups as I've seen black.
"Please define "profound moral bankruptcy"."
Like I said, in my experience, which I acknowledge is representative of a minority of white people, and which I said I don't let inform any concrete opinions about the majority.
"I just have a hard time seeing whites as more criminal? morally bankrupt? (whatever that means) than the black community."
You've never been to <a href="http://whitewatch.wordpress.com/category/perverts-and-predators/>WhiteWatch</a> have you? You may prefer thugreport, but a brief perusal of WhiteWatch might prove to be illuminating, especially when you consider most of the activities reported there aren't attempts at escaping poverty, while many, if not the majority, at thugreport are.
Also, there have been more occasions than I care to count when a white dude I barely know starts revealing his sickest desires and proclivities to me, along with his penchant for misogyny, presumably because he assumes that, since I'm black, I must be a much bigger pervert than he is and will leap at the chance to roll around in his own subconscious mud. While black men might often say bitch, etc, I have heard far more screeds against all females pour from white mens mouths than I care to recall. This is my own subjective experience, that is exactly what i was indicating, that I don't let my own subjective experience fuck up my perception of entire groups if I can help it.
And yes, white people commit more crime than black people. They steal far more money and screw over far more people than black people do, often resulting in death, like what happened to those poor miners in VA recently. Still, most white people are just normal people who, while many of them are burdened by distorted biases and inflated senses of their own self-worth, are just trying to live out their lives and die peacefully.
I also refuse to condone white people (collectively) atrocious behavior. I think the only reason you see blacks as lacking in terms of intellectual achievement is because you have historical blinders on, which lead you to forget why blacks are here in the first place, and how we were treated for the majority of our stay. You also refuse to accept the black empires that existed in Africa and this is because you have bought into the lies propagated by men whose economical interests rested in denigrating the black race as a whole in order to perpetuate slavery unhindered. Well, those guys failed.
"The point is, 99% of the readers here do not universally hate blacks and are not raging bigots like you try to make us out to be"
Then perhaps you should (as a collective) refrain from calling some African homes mudhuts as if that's all that existed there and citing the spear as the only major African contributions, calling black people things like simian and nigger and comparing us to chimpanzees, who have light skin anyway (hint: it's the fur that makes them appear darker), and in general pretending as if black American society has developed in a vacuum separate from any racism or discrimination that might be responsible for a sense of despair and hopelessness that is usually evidenced by criminals of all races. Perhaps when you do that I'll stop calling you a bigot, although I know that doesn't really bother you.
And, to be certain, my main focus is not race by any means. My main focus is music. After that is physics and astronomy, and a host of other more esoteric subjects. Yes, that includes but is by no means limited to the history of conspiracies, which, as I've already stated earlier, I do not believe are racial at all at their roots, but since there are different colors on the planet, have sometimes involved race as a tool.
And I'm doing fine.
SBPDL, you could at least post the rest of my response. You don't have to, I don't care, but since it was composed and submitted before the Iron Curtain fell it would be the honorable thing to do. In case you lost it here it is again:
"The point is, 99% of the readers here do not universally hate blacks and are not raging bigots like you try to make us out to be"
Then perhaps you should (as a collective) refrain from calling some African homes mudhuts as if that's all that existed there and citing the spear as the only major African contributions, calling black people things like simian and nigger and comparing us to chimpanzees, who have light skin anyway (hint: it's the fur that makes them appear darker), and in general pretending as if black American society has developed in a vacuum separate from any racism or discrimination that might be responsible for a sense of despair and hopelessness that is usually evidenced by criminals of all races. Perhaps when you do that I'll stop calling you a bigot, although I know that doesn't really bother you.
And, to be certain, my main focus is not race by any means. My main focus is music. After that is physics and astronomy, and a host of other more esoteric subjects. Yes, that includes but is by no means limited to the history of conspiracies, which, as I've already stated earlier, I do not believe are racial at all at their roots, but since there are different colors on the planet, have sometimes involved race as a tool.
And I'm doing fine.
"Ad hominem."
Perhaps? but i am more inclined to think it is the truth. You have shown me nothing thus far that would lead me to believe otherwise.
"Well, I guess my argument does 'fall' under the impressive weight of those numbers!"
Those are the ones I know closely, almost universally all the chinese that I have ever met were quite productive.
"They are making a global superpower because of the past. Or are you really that short-sighted?"
Lol, is this supposed to make sense? So the chinese are making china into a global superpower merely to spite the evil westerners who oppressed them in the opium wars. Yea, that makes perfect sense. God you are dense. Im pretty sure the chinese have more things to be concerned about now than ancient grievances. I think you are the short sighted one, you are defending the chinese while the chinese are busy colonizing your ancestral homeland. LOLLLLL. Nice, pretty soon africa will be nothing but China's backyard. Thats pretty funny dude. Of course...the africans will benefit from this. The chinese being a very high iq, productive, and disciplined people. So I guess its a mixed blessing for you huh? The contrast I implied via mentioning the chinese people's many positive qualities was indeed intentional. I would consider it tasteless if it werent so glaringly true. Again, another nail in the coffin for your poverty, all races are equal crap. Africans will NEVER colonize any non african country. It will never happen. Sorry, but i'm pretty sure you know that as well.
"LOL! Not according to that video"
Pretty pathetic that you are still referring to that video. I think its sad that you feel compelled to try to polarize all the races in some sort of a titantic struggle between whites and all people of color internationally when in actuality most other people do not see things that way. If anything, its everybody generally disliking black people. If you're taking reality into account that is. Of course, you would never admit that. Although when all is said and done, I see a lot of people getting along regardless of race. Even me, surprise surprise. Sorry to burst your bubble but its not as clearly delineated as Whites VS Blacks, asians, etc etc etc.
"or my experience with hundreds if not thousands of Chinese people in urban areas (even though there is some tension we still get along, little Chinese girls stroll through some of the roughest neighborhoods in Philly on a daily basis, even at night, and they're left alone 99.9% of the time, as are the men)"
I doubt you've really met that many, maybe you've SEEN that many, but I doubt you've talked to that many chinese people. As for your assertion about little chinese girls and philly, I seriously doubt that and think you're just talking out your ass. I entertain the possibility that you may be telling the truth, but given your penchant for deception and hyperbole I can never be too sure about you.
"And no, they didn't break up with me. LOL! That's sad."
No. You're sad.
"Tell that nonsense to the oceans, the forests, the jungles, the plains, the rivers, the lakes and the animals. And let's not forget the indigenous peoples of every continent."
Ok clyde, thats fine. Have it your way. Enjoy living in the jungle. Like I said, throw away the cellphone and your computer. Given a choice, the majority of humanity would rather live in a modern city than a primitive village. Furthermore, in the future technology will allow people to live both modernly, and also in harmony with nature.
"If you mean farther into an intractable quagmire divorced from nature and buffered by often toxic artificial surroundings then you are correct."
Put your money where your mouth is and move to africa. I am 100% sure that you will politely decline the suggestion. You're fairly predictable clyde.
"I'm not 'subtly conceding' anything, though I do see a lot of worth in European culture and some of their technological advancements. Far too many of them are originally developed for military and genocidal applications though, and thus a red shadow is cast over a possible majority of them. For billions of years the earth has mostly harmonious and then came the last 200 hundred years of 'advancement'. Now look at the planet. Oh, I forgot, you can't see it because you've isolated yourself from it."
The same technology you choose to bash is the same technology that is going to take humanity into the universe. Now we'll be able to trash planets all over the universe as opposed to just being stuck on earth. Of course...you'd probably prefer that we all stay stuck on earth. In fact, if you had your way, you'd probably see to it that humanity never advanced technologically, that way everyone would be equal to africans. You're extremely transparent clyde.
"There are plenty of other black inventors, and there will be more and more as time passes. There have already been millions upon millions of them throughout history, but you seem to consider their contributions negligible (evidenced by pointing out spears and mudhuts), so I'm not interested in wasting any more time on that particular issue with you, since I've already laid it out elsewhere."
The problem is, there may be many legitimate black inventors but I imagine that their contributions get crowded out by know it alls like you who bend and contort the facts at will in order to fit their own selfish agendas. Basically, when reading about black inventors, its hard to know what is truth and what is embellishment. I mean everyone has always been told that george washington carver invented something as elementary as peanut butter when in actuality he did not. So what else are we being lied to about? As for James West, I was not actually able to find out much about him. From what I did read, I learned that the microphone was the work of Gerhard Sessler and James west. I love how you omitted the fact that there was another guy that helped create it. In any case, kudos to Mr.West for his accomplishments. As for the millions and millions of black inventors in history...well if you say so. Ive never seen this phenomena before, most blacks I see are too undisciplined, and intellectually sloppy to ever invent anything of great benefit. I dont think there are millions and millions of black inventors, a more realistic assessment would be in the thousands. An obvious bit of exaggeration on your behalf no? You mean to tell me you've read about OVER A MILLION black inventors? You know this for a fact? Wow dude, you must have spent your entire life reading. Furthermore, if I recall correctly, there has never been a black nobel prize winner for a tangible, scientific achievement. Its always for world peace or anything. Correct me if i'm wrong, but im pretty sure im right.
"I also refuse to condone white people (collectively) atrocious behavior. I think the only reason you see blacks as lacking in terms of intellectual achievement is because you have historical blinders on, which lead you to forget why blacks are here in the first place, and how we were treated for the majority of our stay. You also refuse to accept the black empires that existed in Africa and this is because you have bought into the lies propagated by men whose economical interests rested in denigrating the black race as a whole in order to perpetuate slavery unhindered. Well, those guys failed."
You still dance around the fact that blacks in africa (unhindered by slavery) have not yet accomplished much either. The black intellectual deficit is global. Sorry dude.You can't blame slavery.
"And, to be certain, my main focus is not race by any means. My main focus is music. After that is physics and astronomy, and a host of other more esoteric subjects. Yes, that includes but is by no means limited to the history of conspiracies, which, as I've already stated earlier, I do not believe are racial at all at their roots, but since there are different colors on the planet, have sometimes involved race as a tool."
No, your main focus is bullshit.
"Then perhaps you should (as a collective) refrain from calling some African homes mudhuts as if that's all that existed there and citing the spear as the only major African contributions, calling black people things like simian and nigger and comparing us to chimpanzees, who have light skin anyway (hint: it's the fur that makes them appear darker), and in general pretending as if black American society has developed in a vacuum separate from any racism or discrimination that might be responsible for a sense of despair and hopelessness that is usually evidenced by criminals of all races. Perhaps when you do that I'll stop calling you a bigot, although I know that doesn't really bother you."
Actually I try to refrain from using racial slurs, I don't believe I have ever called you any of those things. I try to avoid doing so because its rather tasteless and it only serves to make my (valid) points look bad.
"And many black people think mosh-pits and slam-dancing are insane. Have you never been in a mosh-pit? All youth groups tend to get rowdy when they congregate, especially if there is alcohol involved. What you 'think' is hardly a hard proof, but I'm glad you acknowledged that one. I've seen just as many rowdy-ass white groups as I've seen black."
Lol, blacks dont need alcohol to get rowdy, just the presence of other blacks.
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2010/04/flash-mobs-in-bleeding-kansas-city.html
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2010/03/flash-mobs-in-philly-smash-and-grab-in.html
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2010/03/not-always-sunny-in-philadelphia.html
All of the links can be independently verified. Funny, ive never seen whites do that shit. Or any other color. Just blacks.
"You may prefer thugreport, but a brief perusal of WhiteWatch might prove to be illuminating, especially when you consider most of the activities reported there aren't attempts at escaping poverty, while many, if not the majority, at thugreport are."
You're pathetic, you try to condone the criminals at thugreport because they are "attempts at escaping poverty" You make me sick, really. Its still crime you asshole.
"And yes, white people commit more crime than black people. They steal far more money and screw over far more people than black people do, often resulting in death, like what happened to those poor miners in VA recently. Still, most white people are just normal people who, while many of them are burdened by distorted biases and inflated senses of their own self-worth, are just trying to live out their lives and die peacefully."
Sounds to me like you're harping more on corporations/companies. With blacks it would be even worse, but blacks never get to that point because they are unable to run an operation like that, assuming that it is a purely black run operation without any non blacks around to help run things. A lot of what you just said is extremely subjective (am I surprised?) you just said a bunch of stuff and then gave a single example. Trust me, when it comes to theft, assault, rape, murder, drugs etc. blacks have a monopoly on it. All you did was just more talking out your ass.
"while many of them are burdened by distorted biases and inflated senses of their own self-worth"
You have a grossly over inflated sense of self worth.
“merely to spite the evil westerners who oppressed them in the opium wars."
Stop being so thick-headed and concede when it is warranted. China wants to be a global superpower because then they will have (super) POWER to prevent that kind of thing from ever happening again, and they will have (super) POWER to do such things to others. All conquest has been motivated by similar things. Sometimes it takes a thousand years or more, oftentimes less. But all empires topple.
And I'm not defending the Chinese government. I'm not even defending the people. I'm pointing out the error you attempted to promote. And my ancestral homeland is also, in large part, AMERICA. So perhaps you might see why I hold my opinions. My grandmother lived on the rez.
And as far as the Chinese 'aid' in Africa is concerned, the Africa of today, while not hampered by chattel slavery, is indeed hampered by foreign interest groups often attempting to take advantage of African populations, as you pointed out. Africa has been crippled by foreigners since it kindly opened her doors to them and they swarmed her with guns. I fail to see how this reflects negatively on Africans.
"Africans will NEVER colonize any non african country. It will never happen. Sorry, but i'm pretty sure you know that as well."
That's the kind of ego I mean. No, I don't know that. I hope Africa doesn't colonize other countries, because I think that kind of behavior is deplorable. But given a hundred years, fifty even, many things are possible. Look at what happened in the west in a hundred years. If Africa, or even a sizable portion of Africans, got together I'm quite sure they could wreak considerable havoc on any infrastructure. Isn't that one of your main beefs with black people? Just imagine if we had a goal to unify us. It would be a terrible sight to behold. Well, unfortunately, such things may come to pass. Keep telling us we're dumber than you. Please.
"I think its sad that you feel compelled to try to polarize all the races in some sort of a titantic struggle between whites and all people of color"
I'm not trying to do that at all. It has been done to great effect already. I'm trying to point it out. I didn't make that video. What kind of sentiment do you think is responsible for its existence, one of universal love and admiration for cocky white people? Hell, even other Europeans find Americans to be boorish, racist and stupid. Art/humor imitates life, you know.
" As for your assertion about little chinese girls and philly"
I haven't MET thousands of Chinese people, no, but it is as I have stated. Go to Philly. South Philly, North Philly. They own a lot of the stores and there are lots of Chinese restaurants in the hood. Mostly everybody is cool; some name-calling on both parts here and there...but mostly it's cool. And as far as talking out of your ass concerning Philly, that Flash Mob shit is so horribly over-reported and exaggerated it's hilarious. One of them was a group of people at 30th street station who all stood still for a set amount of time and then kept it moving. They called it a Flash Mob and got everyone all worked up. Whatever. And they REALLY aren't only happening in predominantly white neighborhoods as SBPDL erroneously reported. He must have never been to Philly. It's a 'Flash Mob' almost on a daily basis! Get a group of black people together and white people immediately get nervous and start fleeing. Meanwhile only like two or three people get beat up, four or five signs get knocked down. If Philly really wanted to riot and cause a commotion I guarantee they'd have to send the military in to calm it down, and even that probably would not work so well, not these days. See Iraq.
It would be less about race if white people weren't always walking around with their noses in the air going on and on and on about how advanced they are and how superior their race is to all others when it's all too obvious that if they had stayed in the colder climates they called home they never would have stolen (borrowed?) guns from the Chinese and, afterward, spread diseases and lies while accumulating the knowledge and man power needed to make Europe and America into what they are today. Check Guns, Germs and Steel.
Here's the thing. Europe itself I like. Europeans themselves I like. What the various royalty used their people to do I think is disgusting. Really though, I often get along quite well with my European friends, what with them being socialists and all! America, well...America and Americans have some deep-seated issues...can't say I'm too fond of this place and as soon as my business frees me up, as I said earlier, my girl and I plan to move far, far away. Possibly even before, the way things are going. The deadline is 2012.
"You still dance around the fact that blacks in africa (unhindered by slavery) have not yet accomplished much either."
*sigh* No. No I don't. First, as you were so eager to point out before with your example of China, Africa is STILL being raped. I've pointed this out elsewhere. Africa really has not had a chance since the arrival of the Europeans, and everyone else. This will change, nothing is static. Also, Africa is being manipulated by a few, some Africans, others European. If you don't know this then you don't know Africa. Africans know this. They rebel. Someone co-opts that rebellion and hell ensues. Where do you think they are getting the guns? The same in this country, where do you think they are getting the drugs and the guns? Rwanda used guns first, and machetes later. The Hutu were rallied against the lighter skinned Tutsi, a tribal conflict manipulated by western influences. Darfur, well, China has its hands all up in the pot on that one. It goes on and on, but all too often the African problems have external roots and causes, and external backers, and external arms suppliers. Where do you make guns in the bush? Where do you make guns in mountains? You don't.
"No, your main focus is bullshit."
Whatever.
"Actually I try to refrain from using racial slurs, I don't believe I have ever called you any of those things. I try to avoid doing so because its rather tasteless and it only serves to make my (valid) points look bad."
Good for you. I did say 'as a collective' though, in reference to how you always talk about black people 'as a collective'. If you care to notice I have never denigrated the entirety of your race.
I'm done.
"Enjoy living in the jungle."
I might actually do that (well, not the jungle part, though that would be wildly educational, I was in the jungles of the Yucatan and had a really good time). You see, I can move to Africa or India (or any other nation, really) at any time I want to. I have a little secret. Like I said, I'm busy with music for now. Anyway, my girl and I have been considering going to India for some time. And Jungle, you see, this is what I mean about your type, you probably see nothing inherently f'd up about that statement!
" move to africa."
That I very well may do in time. My father died in Africa, I was born there. It's wholly possible.
"The same technology you choose to bash is the same technology that is going to take humanity into the universe."
LOL, yeah. Maybe, but as it stands Europe hasn't developed a single technology that makes it feasible to state that. The moon? More likely, but war has always come first with Europe. The bigger/louder approach just won't cut it. It looks like Europe is going to have to consider slightly more organic alternatives. I won't even get too deep into this one because it would take far too much time and you wouldn't be interested in anything I had to say on the subject anyway, but suffice it to say that I, and apparently NASA as well, have many doubts about the current paradigm being capable of thrusting humanity into the universe any further.
And I didn't omit anything about James West. I said originally that he was instrumental in the development, etc. I sent you to the link, two of them, where it was stated that he was part of a two-person team.
The millions and millions I referenced were those responsible for numerous discoveries such as medicinal plants and herbs, entheogenic sacramental admixtures, dyes and pigments, methods of building, making clothes, traveling, taming and co-existing with animals, and so forth and so on into the millions. But I guess since lights don’t flash on those things and they can’t be used to burn down cities then it’s not significant enough to notice.
And the Nobel Prize bit. I LOVE how you use European standards and awards and merit systems to measure black contributions! But yes, mostly it's peace, literature and economics, in that order. Oh, the shame...
"Its still crime you asshole."
LOL, crime is whatever white people decide it is.
"Trust me, when it comes to theft, assault, rape, murder, drugs etc."
This is precisely why I don't trust you, because this is complete horseshit. See: Iraq, Korea, Japan, Afghanistan, America, Mexico, South America, Canada, Australia, Germany, England, France, Israel, Palestine, Africa...
You see, while happy white people may be convinced that they're living in a Civilization, and that there are Universal Laws that apply and dictate conduct, the people who whites were, just a few years ago in many instances, busy raping, assaulting, stealing from, murdering, and providing with exotic addictive drugs DO NOT SEE IT THE SAME WAY. They see that all too often white civilization is code for 'covert war on indigenous populations'. Therefore all so-called laws made by the white man are, to them, mostly invalid. If the Middle East and China teamed up and invaded and conquered America, which is wholly possible, do you really think white people would be sitting around complying with Sharia? NO! And you would see it as glorious rebellion against your oppressors, would you not? And I, for one, think it would be at least as justified as any invasion. You, being a happy, compliant citizen and accomplice, are bound to see things the way you do.
-Clyde
True, I am tired of arguing with you too. You make the most non-sensical arguments. You're highly reminiscent of a black don quixote. Stuck in delusions while convinced its reality. While I could easily debunk your arguments one by one as I usually do, it has started to become a bit of a drag. In fact, I think you are doing this on purpose just to waste my time. Perhaps you really are the smart one! Ah to hell with it, im gonna tackle a few of your delusions anyways.
"LOL, yeah. Maybe, but as it stands Europe hasn't developed a single technology that makes it feasible to state that. The moon? More likely, but war has always come first with Europe. The bigger/louder approach just won't cut it..."
SO TRUE, so hows that AFRICAN space program coming along? I mean, its not like africans have never advanced the pursuit of space travel right? oh wait, nvm. Whites have advanced space travel technology farther than blacks ever will. A tasteless fact, but painfully true.
"The millions and millions I referenced were those responsible for numerous discoveries such as medicinal plants and herbs..."
No, it just sounded more like hyperbole to me to try to trump up your point of view. Additionally, blacks are adept at destroying cities and things without significant technological advances. You should be proud of that! Keep in mind that while the africans were "inventing" all these things, they had already been created by other people around the earth. Again you are committing the sin of ommision, you fail to acknowledge that there have been "millions and millions" of inventors from other races as well, who invented things far beyond what you listed. Blacks did not invent anything new and then export that internationally. Srry
"LOL, crime is whatever white people decide it is."
Hahaha, your stupidity at its finest.
"This is precisely why I don't trust you, because this is complete horseshit. See: Iraq, Korea, Japan, Afghanistan, America, Mexico, South America, Canada, Australia, Germany, England, France, Israel, Palestine, Africa..."
So please explain to me why places with high black populations have the most crime, poverty etc? You're still trying to dodge around my points. Its because you know what im saying is true. Also, with regards to korea, and japan, a lot of the stories that I have heard involving rape usually involved...a BLACK soldier. This would feasibly be the case in other areas as well. Even in times of war, black soldiers are going to be more likely to act criminally than white ones. Not saying of course that whites DONT do that, im only saying that blacks are much better at it. Again, another tasteless fact, but very true nonetheless.
I think you just focus on all this stuff so much because black people can't do anything and you know it. So the next best thing for you is to bitch about it. LOL.
"Guns, Germs and Steel"
Ive read it before, its extremely left oriented. Just like you, except you probably don't know what left (in a political sense) means.
"America, well...America and Americans have some deep-seated issues...can't say I'm too fond of this place and as soon as my business frees me up, as I said earlier, my girl and I plan to move far, far away."
See ya! You and your imaginary girlfriend
"sigh* No. No I don't. First, as you were so eager to point out before with your example of China, Africa is STILL being raped. I've pointed this out elsewhere. Africa really has not had a chance since the arrival of the Europeans, and everyone else. This will change, nothing is static."
Blah blah blah, the same old same old. Its always, "just give africa/blacks a chance!" Sorry but africa has always been getting shit on. Thats how the world works, the weak will get shit on by the stronger. If blacks were really equal in every way, then they would have been able to get their shit together a LONG time ago.
"And Jungle, you see, this is what I mean about your type, you probably see nothing inherently f'd up about that statement!"
Considering that you said "Tell that nonsense to the oceans, the forests, the jungles, the plains, the rivers, the lakes and the animals. And let's not forget the indigenous peoples of every continent." There is nothing wrong at all with what i said. You were the one who brought up jungles to begin with.
"And as far as the Chinese 'aid' in Africa is concerned, the Africa of today, while not hampered by chattel slavery, is indeed hampered by foreign interest groups often attempting to take advantage of African populations, as you pointed out. Africa has been crippled by foreigners since it kindly opened her doors to them and they swarmed her with guns. I fail to see how this reflects negatively on Africans."
No, lol. Just no. Africa was just too dumb to defend itself. That is more of a realistic argument. Very few countries are dumb enough to open themselves up like that unless they are either stupid or forced to do so by threats of violence. I don't think africans are that dumb, so i'll chalk it up to threat of violence. Sorry that africans were not smart enough to create guns.
"That's the kind of ego I mean. No, I don't know that. I hope Africa doesn't colonize other countries, because I think that kind of behavior is deplorable. But given a hundred years, fifty even, many things are possible. Look at what happened in the west in a hundred years. If Africa, or even a sizable portion of Africans, got together I'm quite sure they could wreak considerable havoc on any infrastructure. Isn't that one of your main beefs with black people? Just imagine if we had a goal to unify us. It would be a terrible sight to behold. Well, unfortunately, such things may come to pass. Keep telling us we're dumber than you. Please."
Ok, you all are collectively dumber. Africans are unable to work together well enough to create any sort of civilization that could colonize other countries. Sorry but blacks generally lack discipline, high intelligence, as well as the ability to plan that far ahead. From talking to you, I believe that even "smart" black people are still unable to see the big picture. Black people by themselves will NEVER reach first world status. Its not because I don't want them to, its because it just won't happen. I'm not trying to suppress you, just speaking the truth.
"Hell, even other Europeans find Americans to be boorish, racist and stupid. Art/humor imitates life, you know."
True, I wonder what they think about american blacks. You probably don't want to answer that. LOL
LOL! I'm not even bothering with the rest of your BS prophesying and biased generalizations anymore, suffice it to say that one little person (even a few thousand or million little people) are not in any way representative of any group with numbers into the billions, and also it is absurd that you think you are an expert on the past or future potential of any group.
I'm African, Native American and Irish. Funny, the most hated races in one (aside from Middle Easterners, these days)! Being that not only am I a mixture of these different cultures, but I also most likely have a huger and far more vast amount of experience with people of all races, from all walks of life, than yourself, I'm going to put more faith in my own experience than I will in your biased ranting.
You seem to have forgotten that the map is not the territory, and that the menu is not the meal.
As far as what the Europeans think of Black Americans (and Africans), well, at the risk of divulging too much information, my European girlfriend and her family, and friends, don't have any problem with us. My past Asian girlfriends don't have any problems with us. My past black girlfriends obviously don't have any problems with us. My German friends, my Middle Eastern friends, none of them have any problems...hell, even the (White) South Africans I know don't have any problems with us. Collectively. And the few South Africans I know who left SA because of the violence realized that, even though SA is where they were born, due to Apartheid and the checkered past (and obviously present) Europeans have with Black people they would for a long time be seen as invaders.
Nobody likes the violence and the ignorance (perceived or real), not even the overwhelming majority of black people, but neither did anyone like it when it was Italians who were gunning each other down left and right, or Irish blowing each other up, etc, etc...
Anyway, now I'm really done with this.
SBPDL, you say that you don't bring up jews because jews "... will always be white to non-whites." In case you're not aware of it, jews present themselves as non-white to blacks, Asians, etc. when out of earshot of whites, when behind the scenes. Several businessmen from China have told me this, and one hispanic city official (here in L.A.) told me the same thing. Admit you're scared of the jews or scared of them shutting down your blog. No one with brains actually thinks blacks run America. It's who's behind them, using them as front men and tools to make the country worse, that's who's running things. And it isn't blacks. It's that group of people who claim to be a religion one minute, an ethnic group the next. The people who ran the USSR and murdered millions more than Hitler ever dreamed of. Murdered them because they were white, because they weren't jews. People need to look up Yagoda, Kaganovich and others. You probably won't have the balls to post this, but you know I'm right. And you realize on another level you're scared.
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