Saturday, September 18, 2010

A Request - Compiling the Ultimate List of Movies for SBPDL Readers

Things have gotten way to serious here, an unwelcome departure from the humble origins of a Web site steeped in the lore of Stuff Black People Don't Like. A return to the numbered posts is in the cards, and couldn't come fast enough.

To many ideas have languished in storyboards, notepads, MS Word and E-mail messages for far too long and deserve to the see the light of day with their immediate inclusion in the official canon of SBPDL. Prior to this return to old form, a reader posed an interesting question to us recently that deserves serious thought: what movies would Stuff Black People Don't Like recommend to the world?

Turner Broadcasting System (TBS) once had a promotion entitled Movies for Guys who like Movies. These films might not qualify for Turner Classic Movies (TCM) but they represent cinematic masterpieces in their own right, dispensing pleasure to the viewer for the cheesy dialogue, intense action and most importantly, simplicity that they offer.

People seek entertainment to immerse themselves in imaginary world's - however brief this visit might be - that don't exist, living vicariously through actors immortalized through the power of videography.

So to answer this query, we ask the readers of SBPDL to post the films they believe warrant consideration in the list of Movies for Guys (and Gals) who like SBPDL.

These films cannot have been discussed during Black History Month's look at Fictional Black History Characters from cinema. Try and consider movies made only in the past 30 years, as Black Run America's (BRA) dominance over American life wasn't pervasive in film until the mid-1980s.

For some reason, the role of avuncular numinous magical Black person became a common  role for the Black actor.

Anything made before the mid-1980s didn't include an out-of-place Black character, cast for the sake of including a token Black person representing the highest levels of moral perfection, erudition and sophistication.

These films must be devoid of That Old Black Magic, a repudiation of the tired movie cliche of the magical Black character who provides sage guidance, advice and direction to an obviously moronic and inherently dimwitted populace incapable of sane judgment without that mystical Nubian influence.

A breakdown of the powers attributable to this Black mystic includes:
  1. He or she is a person of color, typically black, often Native American, in a story about predominantly white characters.
  2. He or she seems to have nothing better to do than help the white protagonist, who is often a stranger to the Magical Negro at first.
  3. He or she disappears, dies, or sacrifices something of great value after or while helping the white protagonist.
  4. He or she is uneducated, mentally handicapped, at a low position in life, or all of the above.
  5. He or she is wise, patient, and spiritually in touch. Closer to the earth, one might say. He or she often literally has magical powers.
 The films that comprise Movies for Guys (and Gals) who like SBPDL must refrain from utilizing the lazy casting of a Black person to fill the role of moral compass, forever directing the morbidly incompetent white characters in a positive direction.

No, these films must be the Stuff that Black People Don't Like, following the trail blazed by 300, Lord of the Rings trilogy, the end of Knowing, Christian Bale roles and a plethora of others that fail to comply with the rules of cinema ascribed by BRA.

Films that would require immediate inclusion into this list include:
  1. Mystery, Alaska: watch the movie and you'll understand immediately the world Sarah Palin comes from as hockey, sex, infidelity, loyalty, pride and - most importantly - a sense of community are to be found without remorse or apology. 
  2. Mr. Destiny: imagine a world where Marcus Garvey was successful in convincing Black people to return to Africa and you'll understand the universe that this movie operates in, as only one Black character is visible in the entire film. A small town where every citizen works for a sports manufacturing company, Jim Belushi plays Larry Burrows who believes his life would have been better had he not struck out in the high school championship.
  3. Big Fish: few words could properly describe this movie, but it is a visual homage to Pre-Obama America. The bond of father and son has never been more beautifully and powerfully filmed and we dare you to try and hold back the tears during the last few minutes of the movie.
  4. The Phantom: a forgotten super-hero film that was made just a few years before that genre saved Hollywood. The tale of a multi-generational war on evil, Kit Walker is played by Billy Zane and the movie ends with the promise of a sequel that never materalized.
  5. Highlander and Highlander Endgame:  movies that would make Senator Jim Webb smile, glorifying an asthestic and way of life that Lord of the Dance even fails to accomplish. The world of 16th century Scotland reminds one of James Baldwin's view of Europe
  6. Invincible: why make a movie about a white guy who succeeds at making an NFL team? 
  7. Star Wars Episode IV : not a lot of diversity a long time ago and in a galaxy far, far away, was there?
These are just a few films that comprise Movies for Guys (and Gals) who like SBPDL. 

We invite you to post your favorite films (find clips from YouTube) that deserve consideration for the list of ultimate SBPDL films. What movies do you enjoy watching that run counter to the prevailing zeitgeist that require magical Black characters to save the day?









55 comments:

Bonus Gift said...

Three movies immediately pop into my head:
1) The Naked Prey (based on a true story),
2) Zulu (a true story), and
3) The Man Who Would be King (fictional, based on Kipling, so the intent at realism is there).

Big Mac said...

I heard the remake of The Highlander's tagline was going to be 'There can be only one(magical negro)' and is set to star a black actor

Anonymous said...

Two additional movies that reverse the genre. Trading Places...with Eddie Murphy, a must see every Christmas. Also Holiday Inn with Bing Crosy...the blackface stage review and sentire restaurant staff scenes are usually cut from network tv and it leaves a gaping hole in the story. Turner refuses to edit movies so you can see it there or on youtube. When on youtube, look up Darktown After Dark. It's a big band take on what Nixon's Sec of Ag said and was fired for telling the truth. THe singer looks like Richard Pryor but it's not him. Enjoy!!

Desiree said...

LOL...

You are really quite sick. You do not see a correlation between pathology and your obsession with disparaging black people? Clearly, you have a condition. I have already diagnosed you so I will not repeat it. Please consider some form of intervention...

Anyway, if I may contribute as a black, please include 'Avatar' and 'Hancock'.

Both movies are full of shit; Mighty Whitey saves the day, even though he has his start as a nobody in 'Avatar', and Will Smith puts the stars in the sky for the white loser in 'Hancock'. Both very offensive to me.

Although they aren't films, the first season of the original 'Law and Order' is pretty fucked up. All of the suspects and criminals were black.

Percy Kittens said...

Watched THE GOONIES this week for the first time since 1985. It was a fun, adventurous, family film (for the most part) that didn't have any stock black characters that were the all-knowing, sage, wise, moral compass of the film while the heartless, greedy, immoral white characters rape, pillage, steal and murder all the other characters....or the "cool", "hip" black character that knows how to have fun when compared to the "square", "tight", "rhythmically challenged" white characters....or the crude, stupid, sassy, loud black comic relief character (i.e. Bernie Mac and Anthony Anderson from THE TRANSFORMERS, or Ahmed Best as Jar Jar Binks from THE PHANTOM MENACE) while the white characters act all serious and save the world. In fact, the movie had no black actors at all.

Anonymous said...

I know of two made for TV movies that fit. "Something for Joey" from 1977 and "Fighting Back" shown in 1980. The first mentioned is about 1973 Heisman Trophy winner John Cappelletti and his younger brother who had leukemia. The second is the story of Pittsburgh Steeler Rocky Bleier, who comes back from Vietnam War wounds to play on 4 Super Bowl champions.

Bleier was one of the very few pro athletes who were in Vietnam. In this film, there is a fictional black player portrayed by Bubba Smith who is skeptical of Rocky's comeback and doesn't think he can play.

The film about John Cappelletti has almost no black actors and portrays a typical Middle American family of the time. Both films are occasionally shown on ESPN Classics with a few comments in between scenes. During "Fighting Back," Terry Hanratty, Rocky's teammate at both Notre Dame and Pittsburgh, says the Bubba Smith character didn't exist and that none of the Steelers thought that way.

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

People get upset that Desiree continues to post here, but it is imperative that you read what she writes.

IMPERATIVE!!

She is proof of the earlier post I did entitled - "Can There Be a Peace?" and also the post "And Then"...

In her mind, white people today will always bare the penance of their ancestors evil - real or imagined.

I'd say 75-80 percent of Black people feel this way. It might be more though.

And yes, "Law and Order" is known for changing the race of the criminal from non-white to Black to make for more compelling viewing. People get tired of the reality they see on the nightly news!

http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2009/12/nbcs-law-order-anti-white-propaganda-in.html

Anonymous said...

Black Hawk Down!

Anonymous said...

"And yes, "Law and Order" is known for changing the race of the criminal from non-white to Black"

Should read "to White".

Anonymous said...

"She is proof of the earlier post I did entitled - "Can There Be a Peace?" and also the post "And Then"..."

Um, we don't need proof. She's a typical low-IQ blame-whitey negro. We get it.

Deziree takes a shit on this blog everytime she posts here, please ban her.

Anonymous said...

"Both movies are full of shit; Mighty Whitey saves the day"

Just like after Hurricane Katrina and the Haitian Earthquake, Whitey always spends billions to save negroes who are incapable of helping themselves.
Funny that Deziree finds this hard to believe when it's a direct reflection of reality.

Anonymous said...

"You are really quite sick. You do not see a correlation between pathology and your obsession with disparaging black people? Clearly, you have a condition. I have already diagnosed you so I will not repeat it. Please consider some form of intervention..."

Cry me a river bitch
You really are quite sick.You do not see a correlation between pathology and your obsession with disparaging white people?Clearly, you have a condition.I have already you hold white people in contempt and nothing can cure their racism.
Do you think whites are a uniquely evil people?

Desiree said...

People get upset that Desiree continues to post here, but it is imperative that you read what she writes.

I agree. Thank you. :-)

No, I do not blame all whites for the indiscretions of their ancestors, please. It is just that when there are racist whites (like the ones on this site) who want to bash black people, I find that it is imperative to remind them of the crimes of their forefathers. That may seem in conflict but there seems to be a great deal of selective memory loss in white racists' minds.

I don't know if a vast majority of black people feel the way that I do. I doubt many of them hold as radical of beliefs as I. If they did, BRA would me more than just a figment of your paranoid mind, boyfriend. But, in truth, I am too lazy for a revolution; I would prefer peace and equality (for PoC and women).


Just some random movies with silent racist imagery:

a. Monster's Ball (Halle Berry is made to look like a dirty black whore, ie. a white man's fantasy)
b. A Murder of Crows (Cuba Gooding, Jr. is basically a black sex object to every white woman he encounters [and one gay guy, LOL] and has the most disgusting fetishistic sex with a white woman)
c. Driving Miss Daisy (racist, racist, racist!)
d. 2012 (another mighty-whitey-who-is-a-loser-saves-the-day BS. I explain it all here:
http://desireespeakssolisten.blogspot.com/2010/04/damn-they-got-movies-too.html; ignore the comments. That guy was hitting on me [he's from this site, btw, LOL, as so many white men do with black girls *yawns*)
e. Last King of Scotland (um, wasn't that about Edi Amin? Why did they focus on the white guy, who has fetish sex with a random African girl? Sickos...)

Um, we don't need proof. She's a typical low-IQ blame-whitey negro. We get it.

Deziree takes a shit on this blog everytime she posts here, please ban her.


Clearly, since you want to ban me, I'm not a low IQ negro. Call me 'blaming whitey' but not low IQ. If I was then you would keep scrolling and I'd be ignored. But you know what I say is valid and deserves attention.

Just like after Hurricane Katrina and the Haitian Earthquake, Whitey always spends billions to save negroes who are incapable of helping themselves.

If Hurricane Katrina is 'Mighty Whiteys' claim to fame, then I'd rather help myself, thank you. That was a catastrophic social disaster.

Blue Eyed Devil said...

There are plenty of movies that litter the landscape that utiliize the "pop up or magic negro" to further the plot line for no apparent reason. It would be great if these mythical beings actually existed in real life. If they did, countries like Africa and Haiti could look to these heroes for aid or knowledge to lift them out of third world status.

If I had the budget and the go ahead to direct a film I would utilize a magic negro to further a plot line where all DWL's are cast from the earth. This magical negro would gather the whole race of black people through magical powers and have them live there lives seperate from eveyrone else. We already know according to most blacks that post here that all whites other than DWL's are obviously racist. It would be a feel good movie if nothing else.

Phalluster said...

My favorite movie of all time is "The 13th Warrior", a tale of twelve viking warriors and a thoughtful "arab" who save a besieged kingdom from bands of dark-skinned, cave-dwelling, in-bred cannibal savages. The dynamic is very similar to the Lord of the Rings with regard to staving off a melanin onslaught.

Another suitable film here that I enjoy is "The Edge" with Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin. Hopkins' character's great wealth was earned by his own genius. His future time orientation allows him to scan the fields of Alaskan wilderness and find a way back to civilization (after his black servant/pilot crashes his plane). This token black displays fitting competence, wounding himself cutting firewood and then hanging his bloody rags from tree branches, attracting the bear that eats him. Baldwin's whiny character illustrates the decadence and uselessness of the modern Western male, fittingly rewarded by the decadent Western female. The paleoconservative gains momentum and the good guy wins.

Steven Seagal's "Marked for Death" is pretty enjoyable as a movie about an ass-kicking white guy who saves his wholesome community from feral Jamaican drug lords, breaking their limbs in the process. It couldn't be made today because its black characters were all one-dimensionally evil.

Anonymous said...

"Star Wars Episode IV : not a lot of diversity a long time ago and in a galaxy far, far away, was there?"

Star wars IV had a wookie, sand people, jawas, droids, cantina creatures, etc. It was probably the most diverse movie ever made. Have we fallen prey to the notion that since there were no blacks, there was no diversity?

Anonymous said...

SBPDL,

I'm pleased to learn that you are annoyed by this strange Hollywood phenomenon interjecting Negroes into movies and scenes where there is no logical reason for them to be there.

That is one of the reasons why I enjoyed the Sopranos. No token black characters. The language they used referring to blacks was honest and truthful. Italian Americans from New York and New Jersey aren't going to call us "African Americans". Also Camille Soprano didn't have a black girlfriend.

While we're on the subject of tokens. What do you think of the show Tru Blood?

I have to admit my wife got me hooked on that show. Despite all of that the show is extremely unrealistic, and I'm not talking about the vampires and witches. I'm talking about the race relations displayed. Not only are there two "magic" token Negroes. These two are the most unrealistic tokens ever created.

Lets take Tara. She's loud, uneducated, mentally ill, dark, and hostile.Not exactly good attributes of a black person seeking acceptance or survival in a largely white Louisiana town. Tara is life long friends with some white girl. The vampires are more realistic than that.

Now on to the other magic negro. Her over the top gay cousin. In reality he would have difficulty staying alive let alone be considered part of the family. My college educated mother was treated like crap in Louisiana, and Hollywood wants to sell the idea that these two "ghetto" boneheads would be accepted by the white majority.

I'll be attacked by a werewolf before that ever happens.

-Black guy

Anonymous said...

Speaking of remakes. I would love to see Roots remade with all the races reversed. I picture Ryan Seacrest as kunte kinte. That alone would be worth the ticker price!

Douglas said...

I don't mind Desiree. At least she is LaDesiree stopping by to axe us a question.

It's good to see other people have noticed the magical negro theme. I hear the magical negro even becomes god in the latest nutty book making the Christian circuits. I think it's called "The Shack". People should give it the sack.

Anonymous said...

-Black guy Thanks for being such a good sport not like that cunt Desiree.She'll probably call you a pathetic sellout or a white guy posing as a black guy.A person can't control what color he is.But they can control their attitude.IF all blacks acted like you Black guy than SBPDL would grind to a halt.

Percy Kittens said...

Not a movie, but THE BIG BANG THEORY tv show has no black characters on it at all. Not even a supporting character that is on a recurring basis.

THE BIG BANG THEORY will probably go down as one of the best comedies in the history of the television medium. It's extremely well written, intelligent, witty, and funny. Of the five main characters, one is Jewish and one is Indian, so the show has diversity. But it has realistic diversity.

I wouldn't have even been opposed to there being a black character on the show, but one of two or three things would have happened: the character would be a super-intelligent nerd like the rest of the characters, but black American television viewers would probably have rejected the show, and thus the character, as not being something that they could relate to or believe in (like many of the complaints I have heard from black people about FRIENDS or SEINFELD), *OR* the show would be criticized for showing a black man as a sexless, pathetic, sniveling, socially-backward geek/dweeb/nerd (even though the rest of the male characters are exactly the same way)...*OR* the black character would be a street-smart, crack-a-lackin', jive-talking, hip, next door neighbor who tries to help the guys be cool and "with-it", while they go off to Southern Cal and explore the mysteries of the universe and invent technologies that people can invest in and use in their daily lives.

From my perspective, there just seems to be almost no way to integrate black characters into shows with a majority white cast without "compromising" the artistic integrity and complexity of the black experience (whatever that means). In other words, black people will complain that the show/movie simplifies and white-washes the problems of daily living as a black person, or they'll claim that the character is a racist caricature. Either way, you'll never be able to make them happy, so my feeling is that Hollywood should stop bothering to try. I find myself seeking out entertainment that doesn't have characters that identify themselves by their race. Like, I don't need to constantly be reminded that a character is black on any given show (I have a color tv and I'm not blind, and since I don't care whether someone is black or white, it shouldn't be brought up on the show unless it is hugely important to the story).

Desiree said...

Do you think whites are a uniquely evil people?

Oh, gee, please stop trolling me. I do not think white people are uniquely evil. It is just that the evil of whites from history is amplified because 1. they have so much power, and 2. they benefit from the historical legacy of oppression of PoC, especially blacks.

It's not a hard concept.

Black guy Thanks for being such a good sport not like that cunt Desiree.She'll probably call you a pathetic sellout or a white guy posing as a black guy.A person can't control what color he is.But they can control their attitude.IF all blacks acted like you Black guy than SBPDL would grind to a halt.

Black Guy is entitled to his own opinions. He's not a sellout and nor will I be calling him one. How dare you call me a cunt? Are you fucking insane?


There's a new show on NBC with two married black spies and, again, although it is not a movie, I have already taken offense.

Both negro spies are light-skinned (the woman is a mulatto) and it is completely patronizing to black people to all of a sudden, since Obama is in the White House, to have a show with black people doing shit I know whites would prefer to see white people do. I am mostly offended by the way, in an advertisement, the black female was doing 'sex-spionage' and she was stripped of her clothing by a disgusting, lascivious white man. It, once again, makes her look like a black whore.

I hope it is cancelled.

Oh, 'Mandingo' is disgusting, although the story is probably accurate (?).

Percy Kittens said...

Desiree's comments *DEFINITELY NEED TO BE READ*, for she has just made the case that I made earlier: the major networks/studios need to abandon making shows and movies that prominently feature a black actor or actress. They are in lose-lose situations.

Desiree's complaint about the show UNDERCOVERS is a perfect example. The two leads 'aren't black enough'....yet, oddly though, Desiree thinks the female character looks like a "black whore". How can Gugu Mbatha-Raw be a "mulatto" at the beginning of Desiree's complaint, and a full-fledged "black whore" by the end of it?

Also, in an era where Gabourey Sidibe qualifies to be on the cover of ELLE because we're constantly being told that black/mulatto women aren't considered beautiful enough by men of other races (including black men), it's hysterical to see Desiree bitch that the black/mulatto actress in this new series, Negro Spies, is being the object of offensive sexual lust from a white man. And YET, if no one was objectifying and lusting after a black woman the NAACP and the RAINBOW PUSH Coalition would be out in the streets griping and moaning and complaining about the lack of diversity on television and in the movies.

Desiree's comments are useful, albeit in a way she probably didn't intend because she further reinforces my belief that black Americans as a collective group have no clue what they want. Even though they were getting represented on television in the late 70's and early 80's, Robert Johnson felt it important enough to go out and create an entire network to program specifically for their interests. Good for him! But then what happened? By the early 90's BET was being attacked for putting on programming that demeaned and denigrated the black community. Johnson later sold out, er, uh, I mean, sold the network for THREE BILLION dollars. Again, good for Johnson. But Johnson, I'm sure, was feeling the heat from professional race-baiters and black activists that his network was harming and damaging black people. If you can't get a fair shake and representation from Black Entertainment Television, where on earth can you expect to get it?

Reminds me of the "blaxploitation" period of films from 1970-1975. There was a huge rise in the number of black actors and actresses making movies and getting paid and seeing their star power rise. But what happened? The NAACP and the black churches turned on Black Hollywood and destroyed careers that could have ascended and risen above the exploitation flicks of the early 70's. Because of that implosion in the black community, it would be 10 years before we would get a mainstream black actor that could star in a box office hit (Eddie Murphy), and about 10 more years before we started getting Denzel, Wesley, and Will (three actors who could do drama and action and people would pay to see them).

Just as with Hurricane Katrina, black people are black people's worst enemies. Not white people. Not Jews. Not Koreans. But blacks. Like crabs in a barrel, people like Desiree see other black people trying to rise above their own circumstances (i.e. Boris Kodjoe and Gugu Mbatha-Raw), work hard and make an honest living, and someone like Desiree comes along to let the rest of the world know how much they hate Boris and Gugu because they're not 'authentically black' or 'down with the struggle'.

But the best part? Desiree admits "I am too lazy". It's not enough for Desiree to choose not to succeed or get ahead in life, but she has to make sure that all black people around her are as equally miserable and unsuccessful.

Silent Running said...

Open Range. Even if you don't care for the Western genre, I've yet to see a film that better encapsulates the American spirit. Here's a trailer and the final shootout scene.

I don't really agree with SBPDL about 300. Even though they form part of the Persian army, blacks are very much present in that film when they have no logical reason to be. I also thought it was a fundamentally unserious film (based on a comic book rather than the real battle) that disparaged the memory of the real men who fought the battle in favor of showcasing our modern obsession with plucked and primped metrosexuals.

Anonymous said...

"Oh, gee, please stop trolling me. I do not think white people are uniquely evil. It is just that the evil of whites from history is amplified because 1. they have so much power, and 2. they benefit from the historical legacy of oppression of PoC, especially blacks."

Cry me a river bitch
You make it sound like whites are the root of all evil.You than say "the evil of whites from history is amplified".You're a fuckin' liar.If whitey is the root of all your problems, why did India prosper?Within a couple years, a nation manufactured from oppressed PoC in irons had its own autonomous elected government, and barely a hundred years on from then, India is now a major economic power in the Asia. And at no time have *they* whined for handouts from the whitey - in fact, if anything, it's mostly been the other way around.

You *cannot* fuse blacks into existing large societies or standalone nations because they are just plain not adapted to it. I'm sorry for you blacks and for your savagery, and I'm sorry you were born a violent black aboriginal savage in a civilized society, but I'm more sorry for the white societies that are having to tolerate all your crime while we try to absorb you.

This is why all black nations fail economically and sink into corruption, civil war, and permanent dependence on the white man's generosity.

Anonymous said...

"Black Guy is entitled to his own opinions. He's not a sellout and nor will I be calling him one. How dare you call me a cunt? Are you fucking insane?"

Cry me a river bitch

In the An Acid Test Re-dux : What Would Al Sharpton Do? Article you said Shelby Steele is "probably an Uncle Tom".Black guy thinks like him but he's not a sellout.Does believing you're the last sane man on the planet make you crazy?Huh. 'Cause if it does, maybe I am.

"There's a new show on NBC with two married black spies and, again, although it is not a movie, I have already taken offense."

Than don't watch it.

Has anything bad happened to black people anywhere in the world that wasn't the fault of white people.If whites are such racist evil devils, shouldn’t you be working for complete separation from them rather than integration?Huh

Desiree said...

Percy:

Wow, that was one long diatribe about someone you don't even know. Congratulations on your efforts. Your reward is to KMBA.

Anyway, me saying that the mulatto actress is suddenly debased as a 'black whore' by a white man is not indicative of someone who has terrible mood swings and doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about. It is just a typical trope, a la Halle Berry in Monster's Ball. Instead of stripping her of her clothing in front of a white man to entice legions of fetish-holding Caucasian males to watch the show, why not show her (really don't show her; it's fucking sexist) being stripped of her clothes by her husband?

Stripping her in that way makes the viewer forget she is a spy and she turns into a sex object. The man being white turns her into a black sex object ready to do his bidding, ie. a black whore.

I hope you followed that. I wouldn't want to explain myself again. There is nothing I've said that is hypocritical; wanting black women to be found 'attractive' and wanting her to not be dehumanized like a fucking bed wench (nod to Mandingo, yuck) are not incompatible. You only find it incompatible because, to you, her being stripped by a lascivious white man shows that she is 'attractive', whereas, to me, attractiveness has nothing to do with having to be made into a sex object. Unfortunately, because of the patriarchal system here in the West, most do not understand that. Which is why someone like Gabby Sidibe cannot be pretty because she cannot be made into a sex object. Not a difficult concept, pal...

Anyway, I searched both actors and, not surprisingly, they genetically pass that paper bag test! Both mulattoes! Oh, that's wonderful! (sarcasm)

Desiree said...

Percy (cont'd):

When I first saw the previews for the show, I was amazed. Now, however, the show is typical Hollywood BS, not real black people either. Do I consider them black? Well, yeah, I do. But they represent 'blacks, perfected' because they are light.

You know, I shouldn't even have to explain myself to you, Percy. I am one of those 'successful negroes' you were harping on. I'm in college. I have a high GPA. I write. I don't watch that much TV.

And that's the problem with lumping people all together; of course nothing will be unified and cohesive. We're different people. Duh. Same problem with the women's movement: some of us want liberation in a radical way and others are okay with being debased sexually as long as they can say they thought of it first (ie. Cosmo magazine).

What I want--and taking my comments as representative of black people as a whole is really fucking stupid, btw--is to not see mulattoes cast in roles that will continue the 'light, you're all right; brown, stick around; black, get back' bullshit. Neither of the two mulattoes, esp. the girl, are representative of normal blackness. Put real black people, with dark skin and no weaves. I want to see nappy hair on screen. Sue me, a-hole.

Desiree said...

Percy (cont'd):

You know, you talk about blaxploitation and how it was 'destroyed' but, see, a lot of those films are stereotypical. Who cares about the careers of some when they represent to ignorant, underexposed whites what blackness is. Waaahh, I'll cry later for their careers. There is nothing worse than a pimp and to make pimping look cool--the abuse and exploitation of BLACK women--is fucked up and unacceptable. You may argue that blaxploitation movies were just showing life as it is for blacks, if not a little fantastic, so how is that different from the gang-dramas of the early 1990s, like 'Menace II Society' and 'Boyz N the Hood'? Well, the problem with the former, unlike the latter, is that they are completely message-less. Yeah, I enjoyed 'Coffy' but the gratuitous topless scenes and porn-star panting of Pam Grier were the replacements for showing a truly powerful black woman kicking ass.

Blaxploitation is an idiotic genre and I am so over it. Just like I'm over BET. Bob Johnson should be ashamed of himself, the hypocrisy of his network. Bling, bitches, and ig'nants 6 days a week and gospel on Sunday; destroying black youth one episode of 106 and Park at a time.

Why should networks/studios stop? No, they should just try harder. In reality, you cannot please everyone but they don't even try. A show like 'Undercovers' (is it me or does the title of that show a play on words? maybe I'm paranoid but, subliminally, it sounds like turning two black people into sex objects; 'let's see them 'UNDER the COVERS'!' hmmm...) is skirting around under the guise of being for black people in a time of Obama but, looking at the actors, it's just the same light-skinned BS, the negroes are just at the forefront now. Because, really, if they were darker than a paper bag, whitey wouldn't want to watch. At the end of the day, everything has to be palatable for whitey.

That's why it should be cancelled. Boris can go do some Tyler Perry movies, since that fool Perry likes light-skins over dark-skins. Gugu can go replace Halle Berry (or maybe Zoe Saldana!) as the white man's slut if she likes to be stripped like a slave. Like Halle (and Lisa Bonet before that), she's truly an embarrassment for not only black women, but women in general.

Pedro the Ignorant said...

"Zulu".
Eleven British soldiers awarded the Victoria Cross, and a pile of dead Zulus.

Win.

Strangely enough, the defeated Zulus demonstrated their respect for their adversaries, unlike the *hohohoho* "PoC" commenting here.

Anonymous said...

On the flip side there are stories/movies/tv shows that take a black atrocity and they change the character to a white. Like the one about Chante Mallard, a black nurses aide, who struck a homeless man with her car and he became wedged in her windshield. So what did she do? She proceeded to drive the rest of the way home with the man stuck in her windshield, parked her car in the garage and left him there to die. They made a move about this some years later called 'Stuck' with the driver of the vehicle now miraculously a white woman.

Douglas said...

Desiree said, "I find that it is imperative to remind them of the crimes of their forefather."

Most of us realize this is unfounded. Most of us realize the vast majority of our forefathers were not in any way connected with the slave business. Heck, I hate those slave importing idiots as much as the blacks do. If they wouldn't have imported slaves we would not have nearly the trouble we have today.

That said, we have no need for your self righteous blathering. There is nothing to be reminded of.

White people are the most adventurous courageous people on the planet. They have conquered whole continents. They have explored space. They ended cannibalization and disease throughout the world, and they continue to be more giving than any race on the planet. They even give to help rebuild conquered lands.

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Phalluster,

The Edge is a tremendous movie, though the pilot is a white guy. The Black dude in the film is uncharacteristically inept and does wound himself trying to start a fire.

"13th Warrior" is an underrated film, ruined by budget concerns and a bastardization of Michael Crichton "Eater's of the Dead"...

Here is the pivotal scene from that film, the Viking prayer... may those who currently run the West pray to whatever God they believe in that this spirit is not recaptured by those they seek to rule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL1acYvpR_E

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Black guy,

I have only seen bits and pieces of "True Blood" normally when I'm traveling and stuck in a hotel room.

Strange that a vampire/zombie/ghoul fetish has taken over Hollywood and entertainment in general.

Normally, I pick up a TV show on DVD so I don't have to suffer through the commercials and can watch the episodes in rapid fire succession.

One thing I have noticed: HBO, Showtime, F/X, the three stations that have put out the best TV shows of the past 10 years have done so with shows that are overwhelmingly white (save The Wire and the horrible Treme).

F/X is a TV station that makes exclusively white shows (It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Sons of Anarchy, Rescue Me).

Showtime has Weeds, Dexter, Californication and HBO has True Blood, Hung, The Sopranos (did have), Entourage (I have never seen an episode nor do I care to watch one), etc.

Network TV (NBC, FOX, CBS, ABC) are dying, while the edgy, provocative material is exiled to HBO, FX, Showtime and big time DVD sales.

Yet, it remains lily-white.

As you said though, Black Guy, the world of The Sopranos was an authentic world, while the world of sitcom's is incredible inauthentic.

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Silent Running,

Fair points on 300, though it is unlikely a film version of the amazing book "Gates of Fire" will ever be made.

I'd also throw "Tombstone" into the mix. Kurt Russell is a fantastic actor and the ending credits are uncannily stirring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTWujsOsxNk&feature=search

Recall that this film came out in 1992, a time when the United States had far worse race relations than we currently do today (perhaps I'm wrong... I wasn't out of elementary school even in 1992)

A $1 billion dollar riot had just transpired in LA and lawlessness was rampant in major cities.

A year later, "Falling Down" came out.

If I worked in Hollywood, a money script (with a small budget) could be made with similar tones to "Falling Down" and also deal with the lawlessness found today, in regards to illegal immigration:

An Iraqi war veteran returns to America after "spreading democracy" abroad, only to find a country with less secure borders than the one he protected in the Middle East.

This movie could be made to demonize the Tea Party movement, by having this ex-military (we'll say Army Ranger) member decide enough is enough.

Problem though: like "Falling Down", many people would sympathize with the wrong character.

a racist white man. i'm gay. said...

Desiree looks so hard for racism she sees it everywhere she looks!

Anonymous said...

" On the flip side there are stories/movies/tv shows that take a black atrocity and they change the character to a white. Like the one about Chante Mallard, a black nurses aide, who struck a homeless man with her car and he became wedged in her windshield. So what did she do? She proceeded to drive the rest of the way home with the man stuck in her windshield, parked her car in the garage and left him there to die. They made a move about this some years later called 'Stuck' with the driver of the vehicle now miraculously a white woman."


Hollywood does this crap all of the time. It not out of some idiotic liberal pathology, political correctness, or "reverse racism". They do it to get white people to watch the movie. White people do not want to see blacks on the big or small screen.

-Black guy

Anonymous said...

"It not out of some idiotic liberal pathology, political correctness, or "reverse racism". They do it to get white people to watch the movie. White people do not want to see blacks on the big or small screen."

As always, you're full of shit...and not particularly good at guessing what white people think. Once upon a time (when Hollywood was less PC), Clint Eastwood films included black thugs, and whites flocked to see them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnMLGkj91Og

Anonymous said...

One flick that comes to mind is the version of "Henry V" starring Kenneth Branagh. Even if you're not a fan of Shakespeare,this film has what is arguably the best version available of the Saint Crispin's Day Speech,and it's worth including for that alone.

WRT "The Thirteenth Warrior",my favorite line was before the final fight,where Ibn Fadlan asked only "To live the next few minutes well."

Anonymous said...

"As always, you're full of shit...and not particularly good at guessing what white people think. Once upon a time (when Hollywood was less PC), Clint Eastwood films included black thugs, and whites flocked to see them."

As always you missed my point altogether. As based on the complaints posted in this very blog, whites prefer to watch movies with predominately white casts. Especially the lead character.

So, that's why the black female thug Chante Mallard is played by a mainstream(white) actress.

I don't have to guess how white people think. Thanks to this site, you guys tell me all I need to know.

-Black guy

Anonymous said...

I can't believe that cunt Desiree didn't respond to my last 2 Cry me a river bitch comments.She went after Percy Kittens with a vengeance but completely ignored me.

Anonymous said...

""Hollywood does this crap all of the time. It not out of some idiotic liberal pathology, political correctness, or "reverse racism". They do it to get white people to watch the movie. White people do not want to see blacks on the big or small screen.""

Sorry but in this particular instance they did this for the same reason they avoid race when listing crime perps.

Anonymous said...

"As always you missed my point altogether."

Here is your quote:
"White people do not want to see blacks on the big or small screen."

Fact: The Cosby Show was the #1 show on network tv for several years with an enormous white audience. The Fresh Prince was nearly as successful, and Will Smith has been Hollywood's highest grossing actor for the past decade.

I didn't miss your point, your statement is pure and utter stupidity.

Anonymous said...

"I don't have to guess how white people think. Thanks to this site, you guys tell me all I need to know."

Seriously Black Guy, you're lack of logic is staggering. You're using this site to determine how white people think???
Are you aware that more than 40 million whites voted for that idiot Obama??
If you are using this site to draw conclusions about how white people think, how do you explain the huge white turnout for Obama?

Percy Kittens said...

Re: 40 million whites voted for Obama.

And it was white Americans that made President Obama into the President. There simply aren't enough eligible black voters to have successfully elected him. In fact, he was still polling at around %33 percent favorability in the black community after Iowa and New Hampshire when black voters, and black congressmen such as Democrat John Lewis, started to notice that Obama was winning vast amounts of white support and crushing Hillary in the process, and decided to jump on his bandwagon.

It's those 40 million white voters who are largely abandoning Obama and the Democrats now who will ensure he is a one-term president. Moving along...

Re: points Desiree made about black movies/tv/blaxploitation...

First of all boo, my argument wasn't really *for* blaxploitation films anymore than I would make an argument *for* more black gangsta-thug movies and bootylicious rap videos. The "blaxploitation" films served a purpose at the time, and could have been used to, after having raised the profiles of many of the actors and actresses, led to more legitimate, mainstream work. But it didn't happen that way, and it has everything to do with how black Hollywood and "community activists" went about neutralizing their own people in the quest for a mythical representation of themselves.

Like Hattie McDaniel once said: "I'd rather play a maid than be one."

There was always going to be a natural progression of representation of black actors and actresses along the way, and some of it wasn't going to be pretty. You can't go from having zero screen presence (in the early 20's and 30's) to all of the sudden being cast as the President of the United States in a movie about a meteor impacting Earth without having gone through the "blaxploitation" period. It was what it was.

But I go back to my original premise that black people can't seem to find anything on television that is authentically theirs; that 'captures the complexity and richness of the lives of people of color' (as one person told me on another forum when we were discussing Regina King's recent editorial at The Huffington Post).

Sometimes I don't even know whether to acknowledge that I have all five seasons of MARTIN on dvd because in the past I've gotten complaints from black people that MARTIN was a racist stereotype of black people and only bigots would laugh at the show and find it funny. Then there is THE JEFFERSONS, GOOD TIMES, and SANFORD AND SON. I'm told those shows are racist to. Ditto with THE PJ'S (the late 90's stop-motion comedy voiced by Loretta Divine and Eddie Murphy). I'm told COSBY wasn't realistic, so I shouldn't bother watching that show either.

I mean, I just don't bother anymore with black entertainment because I'm in a lose-lose situation. I watched PRECIOUS, only to read comments from others that the movie was apparently horribly racist and offensive (how?). If you enjoyed PRECIOUS you are a racist. If you didn't enjoy PRECIOUS you don't like watching movies with an all-black cast. See? Can't win.

B. Herder said...

Mmmmm.....

Movies:
Rocketeer
True Lies
Any of the 'Bourne' trilogy
National Treasure (Definitely)
BraveHeart
The Patriot
K-19
Big Fish
Secondhand Lions(One of my very favorites)

TV Shows (If this is allowed)
The Wonder Years (My all-time favorite TV show)
X-Files
Death Note (A Japanese Anime series with an amazing story and plot progress ... Was shown on 'Adult Swim')

Percy Kittens said...

Yes, THE ROCKETEER is an excellent pick.

Secondhand Lions is also a very good movie. I'd call it a "dick flick"; all fathers and sons should sit down and watch it and BIG FISH together.

I'd also suggest TRON, THE DARK CRYSTAL, and KRULL if you're looking for good, fantasy-based action films that don't offer preachy, feel-good, social diversity themes. Just good talent making good movies.

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

B. Herder,

Fantastic list. Funny, a direct correlation that can be found in all of those movies you listed is the exceptional musical score that accompanies each film.

A quality classical music score can propel an average movie into the epic realm.

The movie "Legends of the Fall" is both a fantastic film and the classical score only enhances the overall greatness of Brad Pitt's best role.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImtTEerjhCM

Note: If you have never seen the film, the ending won't be as powerful. Trust me, get this film and watch it.

National Treasure, Braveheart and your pick of The Wonder Years make me want to spend the night watching these works of art.

Probably my favorite scene in a film is the end of Braveheart, where William Wallace refuses to capitulate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hce-Xvp1gm8

The Wonder Years had the best finale to a TV show. I wasn't born until the mid-1980s, but something magical was on display in this show and the finale captured it poetically:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oykOSd8ElK8

A film I could watch over and over again is "The Mask of Zorro" - Anthony Hopkins best role.

Catherine Zeta-Jones is absolutely stunning in the film and there is an epic feel to the movie that is largely absent nowadays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4zL1N8FajE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMo0PcvguNw

It has taken Hollywood 50 - 60 years of constant inculcation to promote the agenda behind BRA and still a large segment of the population isn't buying into it.

TV has done the same thing, but the success rate is waning with the availability of Digital/Cable/On-Demand.

The medium of television/movies is the most powerful element in shaping a persons perception of reality.

To make a point about the power of this medium, the Nazi's only needed three films to convince the bulk of the citizenry of Germany as to the legitimacy of their parties claims.

Consider all of the movies and TV shows that have been produced in the last 50 - 60 years and you understand why the success rate is so low for those in power.

More importantly, the best film of 2010 "Robin Hood" - though "Toy Story 3" is a close second - resonates with a message that is at the heart of what this Web site is all about:

"Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions."

I have searched in vain to find the ending of this movie on YouTube, but it's not up yet.

Check it out on DVD today.

Percy Kittens said...

DANCES WITH WOLVES

Desiree said...

I can't believe that cunt Desiree didn't respond to my last 2 Cry me a river bitch comments.She went after Percy Kittens with a vengeance but completely ignored me.

Aww... I'm sowwy... I didn't mean to make you upset with my absence, C.M.A.R.B. Anonymous. I was busy with life.

Anyway, you mentioned India but most people in India live in squalor. They've definitely made their mark on the world economic stage but capitalism only intensified the inequality of their caste systems. Now they could justify it on two fronts! Thanks, whitey!

You know, stfu with the savagery garbage. Savagery is subjective whether you like to admit it or not. People in Spain would argue bullfighting isn't savagery reminiscent of the European middle ages, whereas I would disagree in the loudest voice possible. See, subjective! I mean, if you want to talk about savagery, look at white history!

You *cannot* fuse blacks into existing large societies or standalone nations because they are just plain not adapted to it. I'm sorry for you blacks and for your savagery, and I'm sorry you were born a violent black aboriginal savage in a civilized society, but I'm more sorry for the white societies that are having to tolerate all your crime while we try to absorb you.

You got the first part right, boyfriend, but you faltered on the rest. Sucks for you. The point is to use a little cultural relativism. No one would be adapted to a new society and, coupling that with demeaning the person for being different, they will fail.

Not rocket science. Don't cry for me again, Argentina; if I don't respond to you, it's because I think you're an idiot.

Anonymous said...

"whereas I would disagree in the loudest voice possible."

And no one would give a shit.

Anonymous said...

Off subject, but I just can't help it. Hands down best movie that blacks don't get is Inception. Stand in any lobby when it ends and watch the blacks exiting scratching their heads and mumbling " wat dat be about? I nun get it."

Desiree said...

"whereas I would disagree in the loudest voice possible."

And no one would give a shit.


Which is whitey's problem in general...

Anonymous said...

"Which is whitey's problem in general..."

Negroes are not capable of addressing and fixing their own problems, therefore whitey is not interested in negro advice.

Anonymous said...

this is the first, and probably last, time i came upon this site. i have noticed for a long time now, that black people are the first to die in films and that they are in deed portrayed as the wise and all knowing "sage" who helps out the white people. by the way, i hate the terms "black" and "white", because people are neither black nor white. they are varying tones of brown. no one mentioned the remake of robin hood. for some reason they had a moorish character. and in "jurassic park", some black person was the first to be killed. if i made a movie, i would cast people in it based on their talents and acting abilities. and some times when the most unlikely people are cast in a part that would seem to "fit" a more "stereotypical" actor, the unlikely person actually makes you see the role in a whole new (good) way. and i do wish hollywood movies would stop mentioning black/white problems. if they just cast the people to play their specific parts while forgetting the "racial thing", eventually it might have an effect on the people watching these films. they would see, just by the actors playing their roles alone, that people are people, period. oh, and there's whoopi goldberg in "ghost", the fraudulent psychic medium who suddenly, struck by patrick swayze's good looks, no doubt, can see spirits. and i must say, i'm tired of seeing white people in leading roles all the time. just once i wish some one would make a movie featuring black actors in the main roles with out making them look like fools and with out the movie being some big, moral, blacks against the evils of whites thing. just a nice, fun movie with no real moral or social message. it would be a start to seeing ALL people as equals.