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Our direction.
For every action, inevitably, has a reaction.
In a city renowned for its memorials commemorating America's servicemen and various involvements in foreign wars, perhaps it's fitting 'freedom' is unraveling the fabric of the civilization men long ago died to defend.
Indianapolis.
America's Heartland.
Ravaged by not only black crime and home invasions by black people (almost always of wealthy white homeowners), but a city whose police budget is stretched thin by outbursts of spontaneous blackness ending in yet another tragic reminder that black-on-black crime/murder is the logical outcome of a society no longer willing to severely punish the trangressors.
Real, tangible repercussions for crime must be dealt swiftly and without remorse; the idea that an "eye for an eye" mentality will leave everyone blind is a fallacy, forgetting that a failure to permanently maim those who engage in flagrant violations of the law are simply ensuring the same circumstances that brought Detroit to its knees will befall that society.
In a city where almost all homicides have a black suspect and the violent neighborhoods are submerged in concentrated blackness, the police are ill-equipped to assist those law-abiding in the act of living normal lives. From this vacuum, a white man has dared offer a solution to address certain the black communities civilizational shortcomings. [Man plans to bring free shotgun project to Indy, Fox 59 Indianapolis, 11-13-13]:
An Indiana native wants to arm law-abiding citizens in high crime areas throughout Indianapolis with free shotguns in an effort to help people protect their homes and families.
Kyle Coplen was born and raised in Rochester, Indiana. He studied at Ball State University and then moved to Houston, Texas, to continue his eduction. Earlier this year, he created the Armed Citizen Project (ACP), as part of a thesis project that will provide research for his theory that firearms can deter crime.
He’s already arming dozens of people in Texas and has plans to bring his movement to Indianapolis. But before he does, Fox 59′s Aishah Hasnie flew to Houston to get an exclusive, up-close look at his program.
Coplen first took us to a neighborhood in Houston he is arming right now. It’s a working class area that criminals seem to love.
“The area we chose has 400 houses in it. They had 107 home invasions last year. Which is close to two a week. So yeah, this neighborhood was in desperate need,” he said as he walked us around.
In fact, this is the neighborhood where it all started. He pointed out the home of Elbert Wood, a 93-year-old U.S. veteran whose home was broken into and vandalized. The story moved Coplen to do something.
He first helped with the clean-up efforts and then he decided to go a step further.
“Uh, that kinda led to the spark to come up with this,” he recalled as he stood outside Wood’s home. “We’ve offered every resident who lives within this neighborhood if they can pass a background check and are legal, safety, tactical training, we’ll give them a free pump-action shotgun.”
The ACP is a non-profit, so all the free shotguns are either donated or purchased by money donated to the organization. Coplen said he wouldn’t be able to operate without the generosity of people who believe in his project. He encouraged fans of the ACP to help arm a group of women in this video.
We ask Coplen, why shotguns?
“Why shotguns?” he replies with a question and smiles. “‘Cause they’re great for home defense. They’re easy to learn how to use. Also the deterrent effect of the sound of the shotgun shell being racked does wonders.”
Is he worried about who he is arming? No. Never.
However, arming Indianapolis may not be welcomed with open arms.
From sub machine guns to AR 15′s, Indianapolis’ First Christian Missionary Baptist Church is on a mission of its own. It’s pledged $10,000 to take guns out of neighborhoods.
“Many people are ignorant when it comes to gun safety and so, so many times you can give a person a weapon but that does not mean that that person knows how to use it even after they have fired it,” explains Bishop Damon Roach who is spearheading this movement. He has a lot of concerns about Coplen’s program.
“A lot of these thugs out here in the streets don’t have a weapon. So if they know there’s a shotgun or guns… you can look at statistics and see how many homes that have been broken into and all the guns stolen. All they wanted was the guns!”
But even Bishop Roach admits, there are those in his own church that would love a free shotgun if they had the chance. He tells us a story about a single mother who hasn’t felt safe in her home lately.
“She feels like ‘I would be safer to have a shotgun,’” he tells us. “Well… I do think she would be safer! But I think that it’s a tragedy that we have a female, single mother with a daughter-in-law living with her, with her son protecting our country, and we’re saying that our police department and sheriff’s department cannot protect that mother?!”
We take his concerns straight to Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Chief Rick Hite.
“Is that the only option? That we return back to the days when we use a gun?” he said. “An eye for an eye? And tooth for tooth? One wise man said an eye for and eye and tooth for tooth leaves us blind and toothless. So I think the whole idea is can we have a real conversation? Should we have a community conversation? Is it time now for a conversation around civility and understanding how to deal with conflict?”
Like Bishop Roach, he insisted he is a supporter of the second amendment, but he’s mostly concerned about how this would change the culture of our community.
“Have we come to that point? Please let us know, because we’re training police officers as we speak and we need to be prepared to teach them the values of a community. Is that the value we want to train our police officers?” he asked.
You see, in the end, an "eye for an eye" means those who do evil to others are quickly (and harshly) dealt with, as a reminder to the community that birthed, reared, and raised them - and is TRULY responsible for them - that their behavior will no longer be tolerated. [December is this year’s deadliest month, Indy Star, 12-30-13]:
The end of the deadliest month in an especially lethal year in Indianapolis has elicited a stark warning from the police chief and admonishments from community leaders eager to see the bloodshed end: Committing crime can be a fast track to early death.
A fatal shooting Monday marked the 20th slaying in December, the most in any month this year. The homicide also was the 141st of the year. Of those, 125 have been criminal homicides, the most since 2006.
The Rev. Charles Harrison, who heads the violence prevention group Ten Point Coalition, said he suspects the rise in December violence is tied to robberies — and retaliation from robberies.
“Let’s face it. At Christmas time, people are trying to get money,” he said. “And robberies nowadays often involve shooting, too.”
The Rev. Darryl Webster, pastor of Emmanuel Missionary Baptist Church, said he has been trying to derail the cycle of violence for eight years through a program that provides young men and fathers with job training, substance-abuse counseling, marriage counseling and mentoring.Those representatives (leaders) of the black community in Indianapolis, excusing away black people engaging in terrorist acts against a community/civilization they have had virtually nothing to do with building and maintaining, but every thing to do with breaking down.
Committing crime can be a fast track to early death, but ignoring that crime is almost solely because of the black community is the fast track to a city becoming just another Detroit.
That private citizens are now attempting to privatize security (because the police departments of major cities are more interested in advocating for more minority representation than the safety of the citizens they are sworn to protect) might seem trivial, insignificant.
But remember this one fact: years of careful inculcation and indoctrination collapse when one is confronted with an unadulterated encounter with previously censored racial reality.
At this point, a simple "eye for an eye" mentality seems an inadequate response...
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“We’ve offered every resident who lives within this neighborhood if they can pass a background check and are legal, safety, tactical training, we’ll give them a free pump-action shotgun.” Fine effort I suppose. Why someone wouldn't go out and buy that weapon when threatened as these white individuals are, is a question. And the more important question is would such an individual use the weapon?
I was reading a story today regarding a young adult white couple that were beaten in Charlottesville, VA back in late Dec. Charlottesville is home to Jefferson's University of Virginia, with a little trendy downtown area. The couple was beaten by three negroes, all of whom are still roaming wild. The beating was not a robbery and they had no contact with the negroes before the beating.
The male, Marc Adams, had the following to say after he was beaten, suffering cracked ribs, a concussion, bruising, a black eye and a fractured ankle; “Maybe if we had played dead, they would have stopped,” said Adams. “If the point of the knockout game is to knock out, we kept getting up to help each other. We didn’t play right.” This guy's statement is not an attempt to convey irony or somehow make a joke. He means this. He and his friend have been told this is a "game". He had a role to play in the game and he, or rather his girlfriend, failed to play it. She actually fought back just a little bit.
The female, Jeanne Doucette, described her little beat down buddy as "the most non-confrontational person I know".
The white American male circa 2014, the most non-confrontational living things we know of. R.I.P.
This article reminds me of a Christian I knew back in high school who was being bullied. One day, a bully slapped him quite brutally and arrogantly sneered, "Hmmph! You can't do nothing cause yo Jesus say turn de other cheek!" The bully then proceeded to slap the Christian again on the other cheek with the same brutality as the first slap and contemptuously spat, "Yo Jesus say you gots to accept dat too" and then slapped the Christian a third time. Upon slapping him the third time, he obnoxiously sneered, "Whut yo Jesus say about dat?!" The Christian replied, "He didn't say anything about that!" and proceeded to beat the shit out of the bully.
Tolerance only goes so far and then all hell breaks loose. A lesson the negro better take to heart.
141 Murders in Indianoplace this year? Holy Crap! New York will have about 335 total. Even with the decrease in stop and frisk. That's for a city roughly 8 times the size of Indy. Now, at least, I understand the focus on it.
BTW, for those who mention that cold weather controls crime, there's this tidbit from the link: "During a cold spell in January, the city was murder-less for nine consecutive days. In October, the city went seven straight days without a homicide."
Before the Multiculturalists start complaining about using the oppressive, Catholic, Western calendar, Happy New Year to all.
Go Kyle Coplan! Read the post before watching it. I said "traitor" of the cop, before you informed us he's a race hustler.
A well-fed out of touch with his employers A.A.
Where's the black churchy getting $10k from?
And why was a buck in the class of single mothers?
Segregation appears to be your only option; blacks will likely self-segregate. Or self-terminate.
Win/Win~
"This is something a homogenous white community takes for granted; this is something a black community is incapable of replicating.
Conflict resolution in the black community normally devolves into a shooting, leaving the white, taxpaying community fitting the bill for more police and the visit to the emergency care wing of the local hospital (not to mention the depreciating real estate in areas where spontaneous blackness occurred)."
It is also something the negro community wants the world to forget, that White communities are filled with peace and advancement while negro communities are breeding grounds for Thugs, violence and Death. To admit this is to admit race exists and thus has been ignored and covered up by negros, the media and TWMNBN.
Race exists. Racial behavior exists, races dream different dreams different dreams. We are not cogs in a machine, but people of a people expressing our racial heritage through our lives, our Art, our Myths, our Gifts to the World.
White Homeland.
http://theblacksphere.net/2013/12/yo-yall-hiring-man-pulls-gun-get-mcdonalds-job/
Who says black men can't be bothered to work? Pro-active job search in all its glory!
PK wrote: But remember this one fact: years of careful inculcation and indoctrination collapse when one is confronted with an unadulterated encounter with previously censored racial reality.
An observation worth repeating.
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89 year old beaten and robbed. The groids are attempting to deplete our WWII vets with their usual monkeySHINEs.
"Police said initial information indicates the people in question are three males in their teens, that wore dark, hooded sweatshirts and dark pants."
Read more: http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/crime_checker/anne_arundel_crime/teens-rob-beat-89-year-old-man#ixzz2p3Rk1LUM
I'm not disappointed in the youts. They're bored, they're profiled, daturrbulturrblegacyobdeslabbery, CIA crack, etc. I get it. Groids will be groids.
It's the responsibility of the paper to disclose as much information about the perpetrators as possible. If the cops don't want to disclose it, then report that. I know, I know. It gets so tiresome. Remember when the USSR was held up as the model of media manipulation?
--NB
Self defense be rayciss.
This makes me SICK. Who do these ersatz George Zimmermans think they are? Just because an African-American committed one little crime in their snooty, lily-white plastic fantastic stucco suburban mushroom colonies, these people all of a sudden are baying for Black blood. How DARE they! Do you know how many innocent teenagers (our future scientists, doctors and Nobel Prize recipients, FYI) are going to die because of this Old West Justice crap? And with SHOTGUNS, no less! Have any of you wicked, hate-filled neo-fascists ever SEEN what a shotgun does to human flesh? You'd puke. You'd never touch a firearm again.
In closing, I am appalled. I am apoplectic. This website needs to be shut down immediately. I am emailing Eric Holder, Oprah Winfrey, Al Sharpton and The Good Reverend Jesse Jackson today - that's IT. This will not stand. Hate is NOT protected by the First Amendment. And don't get me started on the SECOND Amendment - AARRGGGH!!!!
-A Compassionate (and very angry) Oregonian
I live in Indiana, once Indianapolis, and I have to agree with your assessment of the situation. Downtown Indy is not somewhere that any decent law abiding people want to find themselves after dark. And Downtown used to be THE place to be.
Arming certain neighborhoods is all well and good, until the feral black males get wise and start to widen their horizons, so to speak.
It's amazing to me that the statistics clearly show the main killers of black males, is, black males, and still the left will not see the truth for what it is. It's always somehow 'whities' fault, or the GOP or . It's NEVER their own fault.
They are uneducated, unmotivated and uncaring about what damage they inflict on the society that has to bear their presence.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/03/todd-american-dispatch-christian-bakery-closes-after-lgbt-threats-protests/
"Christian bakery closes after LGBT threats, protests"
The bakery didn't say it refused to serve homos. It said it won't bake cakes for 'gay marriages'.
It's like a Ukrainian baker saying he will serve communists but will not bake cakes celebrating Stalin.
It's like a Jewish baker saying he will serve all people--even Palestinians--but will not bake a cake celebrating Hamas.
It's like a black baker saying he will serve everyone but will not bake a cake celebrating the KKK.
It's like a Muslim baker saying he will serve everyone but will not bake a cake mocking Muhammad.
Now, supporting the Hamas in speech, praising Stalin, joining the KKK, and making fun of Muhammad are all legal in the US. But that doesn't mean one who has the right to force others to support and serve those views.
After all, NY Times has the right to reject ads they don't like even if the ad is perfectly legal and protected by free speech.
A publisher has the right to reject certain books even if the ideas are legal. A publisher can choose not to publish a book that denounces 'gay marriage'.
So, why must a bakery be forced to bake 'gay wedding' cakes?
Just because 'gay marriage' is legal in that state doesn't mean everyone has to celebrate it or support it.
It's NOT like how businesses in the South refused to serve blacks. The bakery didn't hang a sign saying 'no homos allowed'. It was willing to serve all people. Instead, the bakers refused to make cakes celebrating what they find to be offensive, an abomination.
Similarly, professional writers can refuse certain assignments if the subject offends them. And painters can reject certain commissions if the subject offends them even if it's legal.
Surely, the homos could have found plenty of bakeries to make them a cake, but they decided to harass this one--with full support of the lib-homo dominated government.
Homos are out of the closet and using their might to shove anyone opposed to their agenda into the oven.
'Eye for an Eye' does not mean what most people think it means. It simply means that you may do no more than an Eye for an Eye. Meaning if person A murders person B, person B's family can kill person A, but cannot kill person A's family as well. In early Biblical times, descendants of Cain bragged about killing multiples of people in response to a killing of someone from their tribe. The God of the Bible said that is not just. No moral rules though would say that you cannot protect and defend yourself and your family from threats. In fact, the God of the Bible says you have a duty to do so.
PK - thanks for the work you do.
“Is that the only option? That we return back to the days when we use a gun?” he said. “An eye for an eye? And tooth for tooth? One wise man said an eye for and eye and tooth for tooth leaves us blind and toothless. So I think the whole idea is can we have a real conversation?"
Ida B. Wells, the great Negro woman who fought against night riders and other predators in the Negro community said in 1913 that, "the Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home." Frankly, I think a shotgun is a better idea, although racking a Winchester 73 does have a similar dissuasive effect.
Now there are even more predators stalking the Negro community. Until the police can do something about it the people must do what they can to protect themselves.
As far as "having conversations" is concerned, remember the old saying that Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what to have for dinner.
Having "conversations" with predators will get you killed.
As far as "conversations" with police are concerned, In Detroit, you must wait for an hour before the police will show up to "converse".
By that time you will have bled to death and won't be much good for further "conversation".
If I lived in Indy, I would rather see those single moms getting a semi-auto Saiga shotgun in .410 than a pump action in 12 gauge. Yes, the Saiga shotguns in .410 would cost more, but a petite woman would have an easier time handling one of those than most of these 12 gauge pump action shotguns.
May 2014 bring us resolution
This guy is an idiot, another one of those misguided white Freeper types who think they need to help blacks to prove they're not racists. In their hearts they buy into the whole genocidal hatred of white people that defines the modern left. White guilt gun welfare. Many of these guns will end up in the hands of criminals.
Look at the bigger picture. Here we are in the 21st century, the "future" as it was once thought of, and Americans in a heartland city have to arm themselves to survive. It's like we've regressed to frontier warfare.
This pattern appears wherever blacks are in large numbers. Again, we can look all over America, at the rainbow nation of South Africa, and in the European banalieus. You get endless raiding, struggles over turf, and attacks on homesteads ("home invasions").
OK, it's good that some white guy is taking action and getting people armed (look at this as a frontier militia). But the real issue here is going to be (as always!) political. Blacks have an ideology to back them up in their raiding (they are "oppressed" and are "liberating" themselves, blah blah blah).
White people do not have an ideology. This will come to roost the first time a homeowner shoots a "youth" and BRA will make it another Martin-Zimmerman affair. And at that point, the demand will go up, "disband the militias!"
Race realists need to provide the ideology to back up self-defense militias. And the agitprop. Like hammering it home that blacks commit the majority of violent crimes in America. And that they target white people far more than the converse. And that white people are entirely justified in shooting in self defense--it's a matter of restoring civilization.
Ultimately, the struggle is political.
St Paul Reverend attacked by blacks. First they threaten him for looking at them and not "minding his bidniz", then kick his ass for fun, then routinely search his pockets. So of course it was reported as an attempted robbery.
Don't worry,though. The kind Reverend is going to spread love and peace in his Saviors name and all the savages will become saints and the neighborhood will thrive in harmony and joy forever. If you disagree with this you're a hateful animal who doesn't even believe in MLK JR or Obama.
http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_24818265/st-paul-park-minister-mugged-st-paul-hopes
My husband witnesses a black-on-white robbery today.
Two cars full of black males. The first black male car bumped the rear end bumper of a white lady in the front of the line at an intersection.
The white woman stupidly got out of her vehicle at the light to curse the black male driver who bumped her car. Another black male got out of the second car and stole her purse out of the passenger seat. She was still out arguing, and noticed the theft and ran after the other black male, who got back in the second car and took off. Both cars full of black males got away. My husband witnessed the entire thing and stayed in his car until the black males left the scene.
The white woman was taking the company deposit ($6,000 cash) to the bank when the theft took place.
This happened in Indianapolis on the West side at Kessler and Moller Rd. The West side is a ghost town, becoming a black/third world immigrant ghetto, full of rentals, public housing, murder, foreclosures, payday loan shops, and shitty third-world businesses.
Our mayor's is funding a new "International Marketplace" project for this ghetto, LOL.
http://www.lsacoalition.org/
I think the skinny, toothless white woman was in on the theft, and planned to split the money with the black males afterwards. She was not hurt, and seemed comfortable jumping out of her car and yelling at two cars full of black males.
I bet they meet up later tonight and smoke some meth together.
Caulk this comment up as, "it don't get any more disgusting than that".
Last night I watched the new James Bond movie Sky Fall. In it a mulatto negress is the female of choice, I'm not sure, but I think she would be the "Bond girl" in the movie.
Bond girls are special, so this was particularly offending.
Further, Mom, the old woman head of MI6, a white woman, is killed off, and further, the mulatto negress becomes the new Moneypenny, and for those who know their James Bond movies, this is also a disgrace.
Geesch and double geesch, is nothing sacred anymore?
It is important to point out that the mulatto negress is exactly what both white liberals and Negros want done to our white gene pool. They want miscegenation, ugly enough on its own, but it in fact increases negro intelligence and lessens white intelligence while making the mulattos less physically offensive and ugly, precipitating further miscegenation.
Where will it end?
Lastly here, anyone else notice how many white superstars in pro football are being targeted by negro defenses, with season ending hits to weak areas such as knees and ankles? Gronk was clearly put out of action with a hit from a negro that had no other purpose but to put him out of play.
I wonder how ESPN covered that reality. I'll guess, they looked the other way, and threatened to fire anyone who spoke the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth.
What happened to my white world and white nation-state. I only know this; I'm not in my white, Founding Father's America anymore. Thank you.
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This makes me SICK. Who do these ersatz George Zimmermans think they are? Just because an African-American committed one little crime in their snooty, lily-white plastic fantastic stucco suburban mushroom colonies, these people all of a sudden are baying for Black blood. How DARE they! Do you know how many innocent teenagers (our future scientists, doctors and Nobel Prize recipients, FYI) are going to die because of this Old West Justice crap? And with SHOTGUNS, no less! Have any of you wicked, hate-filled neo-fascists ever SEEN what a shotgun does to human flesh? You'd puke. You'd never touch a firearm again.
I have to admit this one made me smile a bit. I almost don't know where to begin here. First of all regarding your future doctors, scientists and Nobel Prize winners. Blacks produce doctors at a third of their percentage of the population with the numbers dropping. Eighty percent come from special education medical school which are associated with traditional Black Universities. Only 20% come from the medical schools the rest of the population matriculate. Scientists? Are you kidding me? The number of Blacks in STEM is only a small percent and once again decreasing. Bachelor degrees in engineering is bit over 4% with those number augmented by foreign grads from Africa. Masters and PhD's fall to a bit over 1%. As far as Nobel Prize winners in Science? The answer is Blacks have had ZERO, therefore the track record for producing one is dismal.
BTW you'll have to explain to Eric "My People" Holder exactly what crime you think is committed since "hate speech" is a mighty nebulous term that is not a crime in this country. Stick your head in the oven and turn on the gas. You'll feel better shortly.
St Paul Reverend attacked by blacks.
Did this sort of crime happen during segregation?
Just askin'...
"-A Compassionate (and very angry) Oregonian"
My sarcasm-meter went full tilt after reading the latest diatribe from this individual.
Good times, good times.
The main benefit to having a shotgun seems to be psychological. As the fellow who is giving them away says, the click-click of the action scares the intruder. A shotgun also has a strong psychological effect on the man holding the gun. You feel mighty. But it's all in your head. If you can place a round in the bad guy's head it doesn't much matter what you're shooting.
The statistics just don't support a lot of firearms mythology. See:
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866
There are a lot of numbers but the simplest analysis is that any gun is better than no gun. A shotgun will fail to incapacitate an intruder about 12% of the time. A 9mm handgun will do so about 13% of the time as will a .40S&W or a .45ACP. Shotguns take on average one hit to incapacitate while the auto pistols seem to take two. Of course a semi-auto pistol can fire more than twice as fast as a pump shotgun. Modern pump shotgun have trigger arrestors to slow the rate of fire. They also typically have longer barrels which makes them difficult to traverse in your living room without knocking over the furniture. The military issues M-4s (a shortened M-16) for such work. Full length long guns are clumsy to use in a home.
Then there is the issue of the misses. If you are having a shoot out in your own home you will be stuck with having to repair the walls afterwards. A shotgun hole will necessitate a whole new piece of sheetrock while 9mm holes need just a dab of spackle.
Much of these gun statistics were gathered about indoors shootings. Outdoors the only firearm that makes any sense is some kind of rifle. The military and most police forces use an M-16. Shotguns are less desirable for confronting gangs of 'looters'.
And if shotguns were actually a good choice for home defense then Joe Biden wouldn't recommend them.
Another factor that is seldom mentioned is that gun laws only count when the police are around. The situation that arises every time that there's a natural disaster is that the police vanish. That's why you see those bands of 'looters' in the TV coverage. When the going gets tough - it's tough to find a cop.
You don't want to be apprehended by the police with a concealed pistol on you, or here in California carrying an assault rifle. You certainly don't want to be stopped while carrying a full auto machine gun. So if there are any cops patrolling leave those weapons at home. You only need such things when the cops are not around.
NOTE TO THE FEDS: I don't personally have any such weapons. Don't bother digging up my back yard. But someone around here probably has an M1-Abrams in their underground bunker just waiting for the excrement to hit the impeller. There's more than one kind of prepper.
Albertosaurus
I like the principle. Just need to be damn careful who gets the gratis twelve gauges. I'm a simple fellow, rural origins. Not somebody that sophisticated sorts relate too, or respect. As long as I pay a third of my personal income into the big broken machine I'm a good wage slave. Like I said, give the guns to the people who matter. Married white couples living together. The people who built our civilization are the ones to defend it. No single moms. No coloreds. No immigrants.
Negroes and single moms are welfare absorbers. Dead weight. No self discipline. Lack impulse control. And the blacks are responsible for most of our gun violence. That's just a fact. The immigrants, meaning Mexicanos, are just illegal guest workers. They are not citizens, have no loyalty to this nation, and are not willing to assimilate. They are here to send money back to Mexico, work off the books cheap for cash, yet can send their kids to public school and get them treated at 21st century American hospitals for any sickness or injury. Then not pay the bill.
I think assault rifles would be a better gift for liberty minded sorts. The sort of thing to affectively resist DHS ground troops or traitor Federal troops, or UN peacekeepers.
Still, guns are good. Evens the odds. Looking forward to CCW in Illinois. Wanna go on my first dead black shitbag call with an emotionally traumatized white man embracing his terrified wife and kid. The guy with the legally concealed Glock19 who puts 2 in the body and 1 in the head when Jamal decides he's "finna get paid."
Gonna be hard not to high five that guy. Still gotta act professional. Act. Keep on the mask.
Son of Delbert
Compassionate Oregonian,
Snark on dude!
"So I think the whole idea is can we have a real conversation? Should we have a community conversation? "
In the business world we have the concept of discussions in good faith. This means that both sides of the conversation genuinely seek to come to an agreement. This is in contrast to bad faith discussions, where one side is trying to use the discussion as a tactic to delay, extract information, or otherwise put the other party into a position of weakness. Everyone in business is aware of this distinction and two sides of the discussion sometimes start off by declaring, "we're going to have a discussion in good faith. If this isn't a good faith discussion, we're going to break it off and call our lawyers."
Resolving problems of violence could be done by a good faith conversation, but the reality is, it's a classic not in good faith discussion, because one side is using it as a way to show strength over the other side, and the weak side is afraid to fall back to some non-mutual remedies. Gang members will talk and talk about how much they want jobs and want to learn about non-violence, but that's just a way to get the other side to relax its posture (disarm, use "soft" police techniques) and stall them for time.
It's time to say, we know gangs don't enter these "conversations" in good faith, and if they want to show good faith they can do it unilaterally by stopping shooting people, and until then, save your breath, we're going to arrest and shoot our way out of this problem.
The shotgun is the perfect weapon to use in a giveaway and training program like this. It doesn't get the bad rap in the media as do many of the high capacity assault weapons do, and it's a classic American firearm that people from every background have some familiarity with.
They can also be modified with stocks, barrels and accessories to fine tuning for specific applications. I like the Mossberg 500 with Knoxx/Blackhawk stocks for home defense.
I don't need no bible to give me permission to defend myself or my children.
We all know that "gun control" was to keep guns OUT of the hands of the rioting apes of the 1960's.
Actually, gun ownership by blacks was never part of the constitution. The Bill of Rights applied to citizens and citizens were White Males.
As Jefferson stated, slaves are not free since they are not "men". The right to keep and bear arms applies to White Males. As it should.
For those who fear these guns may end up in the "hands of criminals". Please, criminals have absolutely NO problem getting any gun. They get guns from the same guys who provide the weed, crack, heroin, etc. All this stuff flows freely over the border and will never stop.
Remember. Gun control is White control. It is designed to disarm the White race so they can be gunned down by the apes.
Centurion,
Send me an email at sbpdl1@gmail.com and I'll get you a snail address to mail a donation to.
Best,
PK
A Compassionate (and very angry) Oregonian wrote: " I am appalled. I am apoplectic."
I hope you mean that literally. Suggest when you finish having your stroke, you go to a nursing home in an all-black neighborhood, with all-black doctors as well.
We'll see if you spit on the first and second amendments after that.
BTW, despite what your hollywood and MSM friends tell you, Lincoln wanted to send them all back. And never did the founding fathers want to give every Tyrone, Darius, and Anfernee the vote. They wanted people who had a stake in the country's success to be the only ones. Today, we have people voting themselves more transfer payments from the rest of us.
I think you can trace much of our woes to these two perversions- the passing of the 14th amendment, literally over Lincoln's dead body; and the eventual enfranchising of the descendents of the slaves.
-RB
Compassionate Oregonian - Don't let anger consume you. Reach down deep in that well of compassion that has inspired many other idealists and let it soothe that anger. A nice cup of herbal tea works for me when I feel despair. Hot cocoa seems to work for Pajama Boy. Each of us is unique. It's what we have in common.
Harrison Limpwrist, PhD (tenured)
Non-heirarchical Director of social Healing Strategies
If I lived in Indy, I would rather see those single moms getting a semi-auto Saiga shotgun in .410 than a pump action in 12 gauge. Yes, the Saiga shotguns in .410 would cost more, but a petite woman would have an easier time handling one of those than most of these 12 gauge pump action shotguns.
Ah, the Saiga shotgun, just another one of many great guns in this world, which only exists today because of the genius of a self-taught engineer, a white guy by the name of Mikhail Kalashnikov. His first gun design became what is commonly known today as the AK-47.
A silhouette of the AK-47 is actually featured upon the flag of one of those negroid-run countries in sub-Saharan Africa. "You're welcome, you negroids," says whitey.
Mikhail Kalashniokov died recently at the age of 94. If he had not lived in the very Communist Soviet Union, he surely would have died as a billionaire. Instead, he died on a modest pension with a modest apartment, in the hospital of his hometown of Izhevsk, Russia.
"A Compassionate (and very angry) Oregonian"
We seem to have entered into an irony-a-thon around here lately.
In the spirit of Oregonian I think it only right and proper to offer up our daughters to the Black Overlords so that our grandchildren are congenitally lobotomized
Dr M'En Gele Ngazizulu
The Oregonian is just trying to get a rise out of us. Just ignore it. The BS Too outlandish to be even remotely believable even coming from a commie-liberal or a nig.
Compassionate Oregonian - Don't let anger consume you. Reach down deep in that well of compassion that has inspired many other idealists and let it soothe that anger. A nice cup of herbal tea works for me when I feel despair. Hot cocoa seems to work for Pajama Boy. Each of us is unique. It's what we have in common.
Whenever white members of my Department of Cultural Relativism and Peace Studies need to relax, they take public transportation down to the 'hood where they can enjoy all the benefits of diversity and the vibrancy of multicultural youth. But for some odd reason they always seem to have accidents, because we get calls to pick them up from hospital emergency rooms, often with serious injuries. Well, I guess they can get drugs in the ER (thank you Obamacare!), so all's well that ends well.
I.M. Klewless, MFA
Cultural Relativism and Peace Studies
I'm afraid that your assessment of not only the white American male, but most law-abiding citizens, is accurate. Well said, Jay.
Additionally all blacks ought to be armed with Ak47s and white wives forced to marry blacks. This worked gloriously well in Haiti. The color barrier became a sliding scale of high khaki high orange and red bone all the way to coal black. It is only fair that the new gods are placated with nubile white flesh. Then we can all live in harmony as the new race of Mulatto vibrancy design the spacecraft that will take us to Mars if not the rings around Uranus.
Dr Queerinton P. Analplay (post doctorate fellow All Souls College Oxford University: Cuckold Studies)
Defund all pretend police forces.
"In early Biblical times, descendants of Cain bragged about killing multiples of people in response to a killing of someone from their tribe. The God of the Bible said that is not just."
God knows we've got a lot of catching up to do. He'll understand.
I admire the creativity which goes into the comments tagged Compassionate Oregonian, and shake my head in dismay that there are people here who STILL do not get that they are satire. Apparently, Poe's Law has taken over the world.
One thing I like about this site is that it looks at the bigger picture about gun crime. Shitlibs often place the blame on guns which is a sneaky way of ignoring that the perpetrators are usually negroes. It's another way of avoiding the problem.
"And if shotguns were actually a good choice for home defense then Joe Biden wouldn't recommend them."...Pat said.
I don't know why you keep lecturing everybody about shotguns here the last few days when you obviously don't know much about them personally, especially when you can only quote other people’s websites and worse "Joe Biden". Go watch the video on YouTube and you'll see that he was only talking about a double barrel shotgun (only 2 rounds), and was actually advising his wife to shoot it up in the air to scare intruders LOL How anybody can possibly take this comment as serious proof that shotguns are useless is even dumber than good ol' Joe.
C'mon now. Shotguns come in a wide variety of caliber ,size and capacity (18.5/20/22/24/28”, .410/20ga/12ga,/4ga, birdshots,/buckshots,/slugs, choked /double/rifled slug barrels, break action/ pump action/semi-automatic, etc, etc) and not only have a stronger stopping power than handguns, but are less likely to penetrate walls and hit bystanders.
That's WHY they are highly recommended for home defense, as they are more powerful and the pellets won't go through the walls to kill your neighbors, ok ?
The best and CHEAPEST option if one doesn't have a gun permit or lives in an area with tight gun laws, is to get a YOUTH 20 gauge pump action shotgun which has a much smaller stock and shorter barrel (ie: Mossberg Maverick 88) for only $200. It has more power than a .44 magnum handgun and can hold up to 8 shells (7+1) without jamming and sticking out of the doorway (remember that you also have to stretch your arms to aim with a handgun and can easily miss if you don’t). One can also get a 18.5” or 20” barrel in 12 gauge with pistol grip called the Mossberg 500 Persuader for less than $400. Let’s see how clumsy that puppy could possibly be against an home invasion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbt7DFJ3KI
Please do more research on this topic Pat, and give it a rest about “Biden” already.
Doc Holliday is very correct. Get yourself a shotgun for home defense. More forgiving and dependable for people that that don't normally shoot guns. Plus get an auto-loader not a pump. A pump is great for people that shoot them all the time, if not only get an auto. They cost more but worth it. 18-20" Barrel 12 or 20.
The commenter called 'Doc Holliday' asked me to cease my shotgun lectures. Glad to oblige, after this I will write no more about shotguns.
Diane Feinstein lives just across the Bay. She won't let me have either a concealed carry pistol or a magazine fed assault rifle. She doesn't care however if I have a shotgun. Something to think about.
Every military or police organization in the world issues magazine fed assault rifles to their men for urban conflicts. Something else to think about.
Rifles were invented to hit terrestrial man-sized animals - like deer and men. Shotguns were invented to hit flying birds.
Rifles are inherently easy to shoot. Every single one of my fellow troopers qualified with the M-1 in Basic Training. I was not in an elite unit. We had guys who had to take off their shoes to count to eleven. But they all could shoot a rifle.
I spent a lot of hours on the range learning about revolvers and pistols. To be any good with a handgun IMHO it takes some practice and some concentration. I'm pretty good with an auto pistol but I never could hit a damn skeet with a scatter gun. So don't tell me about how easy a shotgun is to shoot.
It is true, I don't know much about shotguns, but how is that relevant? One supposed reason for shotguns is that they are good for those who don't know much about firearms.
My advice is simple. Every homeowner should have a modern auto pistol for home defense and an assault rifle for neighborhood defense. Every adult who wants to should carry a concealed pistol or revolver. That should probably be a 9mm or .380 but even a .22 magnum will do.
No one seems to have mentioned that the reason we have so many 'knock out' victims is that the perpetrators don't think their victims will be armed. My guess is that in Texas there will be fewer of these kind of crimes.
I'm not a fanatic. I saw a Kel-Tec two tube pump shotgun on the web recently that looks OK. It has a large capacity and is a bull pup design so it should be easy to traverse indoors. That makes some sense.
Peace time home invaders don't need much firepower to be dissuaded. If they want to just steal your TV almost any gun will persuade them to rob your next door neighbor instead of you. You want something simple, reliable and easy to shoot. You don't want too much recoil. I have scared off two bad guys with just a .32 revolver I had gotten for my wife.
But if law and order is totally busted, as it was with Rodney King or Katrina, and there are gangs roaming about, you want something more appropriate. When there is civil disorder - no cops or troops about - you want to be able to hit and kill someone as far away as possible. Normally when there are police available you never want to even shoot someone much less kill them. But in riot conditions - and only then - the rules change.
Most civilians probably can't hit a bad guy across a city street with a handgun. I don't know if I could in a real combat situation. I might get shaky. I doubt if I could with a shotgun either. But I have no doubts about being effective out to any likely distance with a semi-auto rifle. They gave me an M-1 and told me to yell "Kill, kill, kill'.
I'm not really interested in home defense - too trivial a problem. Burglar defense only requires any old cheap handgun. If a guy breaks into your house to grab your electronics a shotgun is overkill. But if real civil disorder breaks out, a shotgun will not be enough.
Done. It's a new year. No more postings about shotguns.
Albertosaurus
I actually know and like tactical shotguns. They do take some training and Doc Holliday is not exactly correct. My personal shotgun is old Winchester, slick wooden stock, with no sling, no handgrip, IC choke and 20 inch barrel and ghost ring sight. It has an elastic 6 round shell holder on the stock. Here is the real deal
1) Full power 12 gauge buckshot recoils heavily and has significant flash at night. Magnum doesn't really mean magnum. With rare exception stick with standard 2 3/4 length shells and 9 shot 00 pellet counts that are high velocity. This mean US made. Use copper plated and buffered shot, it will hold pattern better.
2) You can and will miss at close range. Pattern for standard 12 gauge and 00 is about 12 inches per 10 yards. Using smaller buck won't help much at short range. At 15 feet the thing shoots like a heavily recoiling rifle. It will also easily penetrate several layers of drywall
3) Keeping the above in mind, a shotgun may not be the best choice for home defense, especially if an intruder had penetrated your perimeter. A pistol caliber carbine is quicker and probably better.
4) If you're worried about recoil and/or penetration, use the detuned 12 police buck or go to 20 gauge.
5) ALWAYS get a ghost ring or similar sight and stay with pump actions. Shooting buck is a bitch and the reliability may not be there in a semi unless the weapon is built for it. Think Benelli if you real want a semi, though they make an excellent pump as well.
6) You don't really need a sling, it's something for an intruder to grab. A handgrip is also not necessary but it does enable you to control the weapon better and you can use your weak hand for something else. IMHO only good for the expensive semi's.
7) Speaking of slings if you have one avoid those that hold shells. You'll lose shells in the recoil or they'll slap the living crap out of you. Receiver mounted shell holders are best, but the good elastic ones are also OK, you'll just need to replace them when they stretch out.
8) Remington and Mossberg set the standard and I wouldn't mess with anything less or cheaper. Benelli is higher end and worth it. I don't think Winchester in in the biz anymore.
9) If you keep the thing loaded and you will, the magazine spring can become weak over time. When you get your ghost ring installed have a gunsmith install a stronger magazine spring.
10) Pattern your buckshot over distance. A shotgun's tactical envelope with buckshot is best from 10 to 30 yards. Using it in very close is a different set of skill. If your distances are going to be less than this, you really might think of using something else.
QLB
Indianapolis' AA chief of police seems to be the problem. If die-versity comes to your home town, up your arsenal.
Indianapolis' AA chief of police seems to be the problem. If die-versity comes to your home town, up your arsenal.
"Every military or police organization in the world issues magazine fed assault rifles to their men for urban conflicts. Something else to think about."
Yes, because they don't give a shit if their shots overpenetrate the "intended" target, and kill a neighbor or family member or dog by mistake. At least we finally agree that a home arsenal should be diversified with handguns, shotguns, and high-powered rifles. Anyway, there must be plenty of better websites for getting firearms-specific advice and discussions. This should be the place where people decide to get armed, not to get final instructions on the topic.
Happy New Year
My 77-year-old mom is now interested in a home defense gun, but there's no way I would ever have her go get any type of shotgun. Too much recoil for her. Also not possible for her to handle with just one hand, which could be a problem in many home defense scenarios.
I am going to have her buy a revolver in .38 Special instead, and it will also have to be one that comes with a factory-installed, mounted-in-the-grip, red dot laser sight. A lot of the gun companies offer this feature now on their new handguns. Revolvers are also fairly foolproof and easy to load and unload, even for seniors like my mom.
I will also get my mom to keep her .38 revolver loaded at home with the frangible ammo Glaser safety slugs too. The US Air Marshalls use the same ammo on flights.
After I get my mom familiar with her .38 revolver, her accuracy with it inside her house against an intruder or two should be just fine, and the Glaser safety slugs will not over-penetrate her intended target or targets.
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