Tuesday, October 18, 2011

War Zone, USA: The Black Undertow Provides Multiple Cities the Opportunity to Train Military Emergency Personnel to Deal with the Horrors of War

Here is one SBPDL truth that must be stated:
  1.  Distinct racial groups create a "culture": with that stated, Black people can assimilate to what is commonly known as "white culture" (though they will be shunned by their own community for 'acting white'); white people can assimilate to "Black culture" (though they will immediately be deemed 'wiggers'); Black people cannot create "white culture" and, in all cases, cannot sustain "white culture" when left on their own, but will revert back to "Black culture"; white people cannot create "Black culture," but, through gentrification, can remove negative elements of "Black culture" that blighted a city or neighborhood and depreciated property value. "Black Culture" follows Black people wherever they go, even if they attempt to assimilate to "white culture" (this is called the Black Undertow and it creates Climate Change).
With this stated, we can now turn our attention to something that has interested me since the SBPDL Survey results started coming in (you can still take the survey here) and, has, as far as I can discern, never been entered into the realm of public knowledge.

Black Undertow hospitals in America train our military for the horrors of war
A surprising number of people who took the SBPDL Survey identified themselves as working in the health care industry, with many stating they are doctors, nurses, hospital administrators and one stating that they are employed as a trauma surgeon. You always hear Disingenuous White Liberals (DWLs) and Professional Black Agitators claim that criminality is a byproduct of poverty, yet hospitals and medical centers located in predominately white cities (or suburban areas) do not serve as training ground for doctors who will serve in the various branches of the United States Military.

We already know that the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, University Hospital, and United States Air Force train emergency teams on how to evacuate wounded personnel in combat zones in Afghanistan and Iraq by treating the cities Black gunshot and knife attack victims. The victims of the Black Undertow in Cincinnati provide the perfect opportunity and war zone atmosphere to prepare emergency crews for dealing with the horrors of war abroad. Here you can read how the Institute for Military Medicine brags about the partnership with the University of Cincinnati and how the Black Undertow in that city prepares emergency teams for horrors seen in war by proving a facsimile of a war zone on a daily basis.

Cincinnati isn't the only city with conditions - courtesy of the Black Undertow, a byproduct of "Black culture' - that resemble a war zone. The University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center in Baltimore also serves as training ground for military doctors, because the Black population of Baltimore engages in bellicose behavior on a daily basis that resembles the same conditions our troops will face overseas in hostile territory:

CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr reported this weekend on a program used to train military doctors for the fast-paced and bloody environment found in war zone hospitals — namely, America’s inner cities. 
Starr follows a rotation of military doctors who are preparing for their deployment at the University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center in Baltimore. The program director told Starr that the hospital is the closest to a war zone hospital he has seen:
COL. DAVID POWERS: The injuries that I’ve treated here and that I see here at this hospital are the closest thing to the injuries I saw in Iraq that I’ve experienced in the continental United States.
Watch a clip:

 While the program is no doubt useful for preparing doctors for the high-intensity environments overseas and likewise giving doctors broad sets of skills they can use at home, that doctors can train for war zones through the crush of patients with, among other injuries, stabbing and gunshot wounds serve as a powerful reminder that as the wars overseas wind down, problems at home remain.

The total spending on the U.S.’ wars now exceeds $1.2 trillion. The Pentagon budget passed by the House earlier this month allocated nearly $200 billion this year for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Meanwhile, Baltimore ranks as the eighth most dangerous city, second in its reported HIV/AIDS rate, and is the heroin capital of the country.
No mention that Baltimore is a Black Undertow city, and that it is Black people and "Black culture" that makes the city unlivable and it is Black people (primarily Black homosexual males infecting each other and Black females) that give the city one of the highest HIV/AIDS rates in America. But once again, the Black inhabitants of the Baltimore provide military doctors with real-life trauma experience that prepares them fully to psychologically survive the horrors of war and repair the bodies of our soldiers. After all, they have survived the horrors of Baltimore.

But it's not just Cincinnati and Baltimore. The United States Air Force also uses St. Louis, another of the cities in America that the Black Undertow helped earn the dubious honor of such accolades as 'worst' and 'most dangerous', to train surgeons and emergency personnel. The US Army? They use Miami, where the Black Undertow - mixed with a lethal and combustible cocktail of Haitian, Cuban, and other immigrants from less-developed (i.e, non-white) nations - presents horrors for trauma surgeons and emergency personnel that would scare even George Romero and John Carpenter:

MIAMI — The trauma center's radio crackles an alert: A 34-year-old woman injured in an auto wreck is being brought in by helicopter. Parts of her scalp have been torn back, exposing her skull. Broken bones may be sticking out through the skin of her left leg. Her injuries may help save the lives of U.S. soldiers in Iraq. 
For two weeks, 28 Army medics, nurses, doctors and nurse anesthetists have been learning trauma medicine and teamwork under pressure at the Ryder Trauma Center at downtown Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital, a place that sees such carnage it often resembles a war zone.

 Ryder is one of the busiest trauma centers in the nation, seeing an average of 11 trauma patients a day -- about as many as the biggest military hospital in Iraq.

Jackson Memorial serves some of the city's most crime-ridden sections, and patients arriving at the trauma center have been stabbed, injured in grisly auto accidents, wounded in shootouts with high-powered assault weapons, or hurt in falls and fights.

The Army sends 10 forward surgical teams a year through Ryder, which was selected six years ago because of the volume of bloodshed. It is the Army's only trauma training center. The Air Force has similar programs in Baltimore, St. Louis and Cincinnati; the Navy's trauma program is in Los Angeles.

This time, the professionals being trained are Ohio reservists with the Army's 848th Forward Surgical Team. In their civilian lives, some of them raise families, tend bar, go to college or work for the post office. The team leader is Col. Michael Oddi, a 59-year-old thoracic surgeon in Akron, Ohio.

"My practice consists of a lot of surgery, but we don't do a lot of trauma surgery. So a program like this, to prepare us for acute, multiple casualties, really helped us on our last deployment, and it will help us again," Oddi said. "It is extremely busy here."
Miami's Black population and "Black culture" provide excellent training for the Army doctors and surgeons, who prepare for the horrors of war by repairing the bullet-ridden bodies of Black people and sewing up knife victims from the war zone in The Capital of Latin America.

Because of budget cuts, the military must use Black Undertow cities in America to prepare trauma surgeons and emergency personnel because "Black culture" provides a 'war-like environment' on a seemingly endless basis in the so-called "inner city" of St. Louis:
The partnership between the Air Force and the hospital came about because of, in part, the downsizing of the military medical system that began more than a decade ago. The cuts closed military hospitals. As a result, most Air Force medical personnel now tend to work in smaller clinics and treat few serious injuries.

"They typically don't get to see gunshot and stab wounds," said Capt. Scott Fallin, administrator of the St. Louis program. "Being here in the inner city prepares them for some of the blunt-trauma injuries they will see."
We have discussed how Philadelphia is the fastest growing Black Undertow city in America, with white people fleeing for the suburbs leaving behind remnants and vestiges of "white culture" that are eroding quickly. With this erosion comes Climate Change, as this story of trauma centers illustrates:
Dr. Mike Reihart did his residency at Albert Einstein Medical Center in the Logan section of Philadelphia, a city where doctors see some 30 percent of all shooting victims in Pennsylvania.

Compared to that, Lancaster is a picnic.

But Reihart, attending emergency physician at Lancaster General Hospital, said Lancaster is less of a picnic these days, particularly on weekends. "Some nights are starting to feel a little like Philly," he said. 
Statistically, the two cities can't compare. There have been 30 shootings in Lancaster in the past eight months. In Philadelphia, gunfire has claimed more than 135 lives in less than six months.

But emergency physicians at Lancaster General say the frequency with which they see gunshot victims has definitely increased. The director of the emergency department, William Adams, told the Philadelphia Inquirer last week that over the past 10 years, the hospital had seen "about a fourfold increase" in the number of gunshot victims it treats. "Where we used to see one or two a month, now we see one or two a week," said Adams.

Reihart, who sees many of those patients, said the increase is disconcerting. But it's nothing he and other medical staff at LGH can't handle.

In fact, he said, gunshots are actually easier to treat than blunt trauma, the type sustained in car accidents. Penetrating trauma, like gunshot wounds, "are a little easier; you know there's a hole here, and a hole there," he said. Blunt trauma, by contrast, often involves broken bones and significant internal injuries.

If someone is shot in the abdomen, said Reihart, they go immediately into surgery. "The science of gunshot wounds is changing," he said. "There are so many gunshot wounds in big cities" physicians in places like Los Angeles have figured out how to triage patients without surgery.
Some people like to cite statistics that show crime is dropping in America. At SBPDL, we deal with facts. More than 1 million Black males are in jail, removing from the streets a significant portion of the criminal element of this nation (at only 5 percent of the United States population, Black males are significantly represented in the criminal class of America, and having committed more than 50 percent of the murders in 2010, those trends aren't slowing down).

More so, advances in medical technology and surgery techniques (thanks to the endless supply of gunshot victims the Black Undertow provides) have greatly increased the odds of an individual surviving a bullet or knife wound. And thanks to the Black Undertow providing so many instances of trauma and medical emergencies in "inner cities" throughout America, our military can successively prepare doctors and emergency teams for the horrors of war they will encounter overseas.

All courtesy of "Black culture."

Now do you see why Whitopias are necessary? Now do you see what those who escape The Nothing (horrible reference to The Neverending Story) that follows the Black Undertows are evading?

I would love to read stories and accounts of dealing with the Black Undertow at trauma centers in Birmingham, Atlanta, Memphis, New Orleans, Dallas, Kansas City,Washington D.C., Milwaukee, Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, Detroit, Cleveland, and other cities with a large Black population.

It's hard to believe that the United States offers so many cities that would be excellent stand-ins for battle zones where military doctors and emergency personnel could so readily train and prepare for the horrors of war.

Such is the horror of the Black Undertow.

131 comments:

Steve said...

I thought you knew about this Paul. Sadly its nothing new.

Rev. Dr,. Swift said...

I loved The Neverending Story reference. Uh, not that I ever watched it, ever. Don't want you crackers thinking I'm an uncle tom or nothing.

Anonymous said...

This has been going on for years. Medics & doctors at one time used livestock, which had to be shot to be treated. Goats were usually the animal of choice. But goats dont resemble real humans as much as blacks do....Kid Clorox

grizzle said...

I lived in one of the worst neighborhoods in Cincinnati, Roselawn, which is not far from University of Cincinnati Hospital. I left when, even on Wednesday nights, a group of 200 blacks started hanging out in the strip mall parking lot next to where I rented a room, and they would buy andd sell and smoke crack, and drink cheap liquor.
My girlfirend was a surgeon's assistant at a major Cinci hospital. In 2001, the negroloids rioted, and threw beer bottles and rocks at my GF while calling her a "White bitch", while she was trying to make her way to her car after work.
A couple years ago, not far from UC, Two black teenagers dropped a heavy rock from an overpass, smashing through the rear window of a taxi and permanently destroying the face of a beautiful blonde White woman, Joyce Baresel. One got off completely, one got off easy, while the uncle shrugged at the woman's life-changing injuries on loocal TV news. The parking lots of local branches of heating and other govt assistance are always packed with blacks' BMWs, Mercedes and those ridiculous gaudy hood rods.
Cincinnati is prime for an all-out massacre of Whites by blacks who are feeling the economic pinch. Most of the outlying areas around the city proper are absolutely unsafe to live or work in. The local TV news stations grow so tired of reporting on black murderers every day, they often omit descriptions of the suspects entirely in an attempt to hide that they're all black, even if they haven't been apprehended yet. They will often report on a White crime all the way in another state to try to balance it out, in this pursuit often having to report on a Caucasian deadbeat dad or DUI to compare to a black killer. Students at UC are routinely attacked savagely and robbed. In the building next to the one I lived in, last year a man was shot to death over $29, and many, many women have been raped on the property, and throughout Cincinnati. Everywhere, blacks will approach you in an effort to sell crack and heroin. The only good thing left about Cinci is Oktoberfest.
Yes, I have no doubt it's a good war zone simulation for doctors and nurses. Don't go there without a concealed-carry permit, or the DIY version permit.

Anonymous said...

Distinct racial groups create a "culture": with that stated, Black people can assimilate to what is commonly known as "white culture" (though they will be shunned by their own community for 'acting white'); white people can assimilate to "Black culture" (though they will immediately be deemed 'wiggers'); Black people cannot create "white culture" and, in all cases, cannot sustain "white culture" when left on their own, but will revert back to "Black culture"; white people cannot create "Black culture," but, through gentrification, can remove negative elements of "Black culture" that blighted a city or neighborhood and depreciated property value. "Black Culture" follows Black people wherever they go, even if they attempt to assimilate to "white culture" (this is called the Black Undertow and it creates Climate Change).

Bravo!!

Anonymous said...

And all this Medical Care is paid for by whom? Oh yeah the 53%. When you extend the "special" status of a population to include those who hate you the most, then bad things are bad to happen. Ask the Romans or the Athenians if you don't believe me.

10mm AUTO said...

While I like a good literary reference as much as the next thinking White, using "The Nothing" works best for referring to the denial that Whites have around the negroid race and their effects. As in "Why don't you want to live in Baltimore, Cindy? Is it because of blacks?" "Oh no!" Says Cindy, "it is just too much "crime"." Yea Right...

But back to Literary references. For the negroid my favorite is "Orcs", using the reference from "J. R.R. Tolkien" in "Lord of the Rings" et al. Gun guys also use "goblin" all the time to mean negroids, the police use "Perp" to mean either negroid or White but mostly negroids and the news media and general public use "Thug" when speaking about the species "Homo Africanus". Interestingly, "thug" has always meant a non-White, as the original word comes from the "Thuggee" cult in India which the British finally had to whip out forever in the early 1800's.

As for the Trauma Centers we are forced to build and maintain to deal with the piles of dead and dying negroids that show up in "de AmberLamps" in the black majority cities well, what can one say? Imagine that there was only one tenth the crime in say, New York City that there is now. Impossible! you say?? Look at this, just by removing the negroid population and enforcing our borders we would usher in a period of civil calm unknown since the 1900-1920's. (SEE: http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map ) Click on map for "race of perp". Now subtract the Hispanic and Negroid crimes.

It is true that we get good training out of it, but frankly negroids get far more out of it in terms of free healthcare. You surely don't think that the daily drumroll of negroid shootings is PAID for do you? My elderly mothers hip operation ran 65,000 Iron Men. Do you think some section 8 family on welfare can cough up the surgery for De'Shawn to have the bullets removed? The 6 weeks in ICU? The rehab? The lifetime care if there is loss of limb or paralysis?? This is why when Whites get sued for negroids attacking it is such a tragedy, because every White knows that the birfing sow is going to play for the Ghetto Lottery by taking every nickle you have. That is why the wails of "My Baby!" when you see the 6'6" De'Shawn going to the ER; that is why the comments of "He was always a good boy!" when he has a rap sheet a mile long; why the birfing sow always says, "He's be turning his life around!" as if the sympathy should be to her. The most sickening of all are the calls for donations to bury the buck, because the mother has time to give birth to 9 little niglets from 9 different males, but no money to bury them when a frightened homeowner saves his own life putting a bullet in De'shawn before De'Shawn does it to him..

10mm said...

"Goats were usually the animal of choice. But goats dont resemble real humans as much as blacks do....Kid Clorox"

Thread Winner!!

Anonymous said...

Culture is basically the product of genetics. We were able to force ours down their throat with a police state, but even after 300 years of that, they immediately discarded it when the first opportunity to do so came up.

As to the story as a whole:
Wow. What is there to say.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and the murder rate is dropping(despite an overall increase in aggrivated assaults) both because of the expansion of the prison system, and our experience in war at treating victims in the first place. Warzones and black communities seem to be interchangeable as far as doctors are concerned.

W74 said...

Speaking of the University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center a man was shot in the back in the parking garage on Thursday.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2011/10/frederick_police_confirm_hospi.html

Coincidentally the UM Medical Center is right next door to the Veterans Affairs hospital where thousands upon thousands of, mostly black "veterans" attend the hospital to get their "disability" checks, which can be quite substantial. Most probably do not have a legitimate service connected disability but fake it anyway.

Note: as a vet myself I'm all for giving disability benefits, including a stipend and lifetime medical care, to those who were truly injured or wounded. If you lost a limb or an eye for your country then the rest of us have an obligation to make the rest of your life comfortable. But if you're faking it for that 30-100% or came up with something not directly caused by military service then I hope there's a special place in hell for you.

But I rant. I wonder what the race of the perpetrator who shot Mr. Amir Abbas Doulatshahi in the parking garage was? Fredrick (Middletown is a western suburb of it), which is 18% black and not unlike many of Maryland's beautiful western towns (including Hagerstown and Cumberland), has seen a substantial influx of third-world trash for the past two decades.

Anonymous said...

Students at UC are routinely attacked savagely and robbed.

Perhaps they can send their feminists out into the 'hood to do a slut march? That'll show 'em!

Anonymous said...

My doctor trained at Baraganwath Hospital in Soweto. He claims that at that time it was the best medical training in the world. He described some pretty graphic stuff - people coming in with their intestines hanging out, knives sticking out of their heads, etc.

Dissident said...

When I read these horror stories; I cringe! I'm from a place where it's 95% Caucasian and mostly Scotts/Irish ancestry, so I fit in rather well here.

I've been all over this country and throughout Central America, but the carnage that Grizzle so eloquently describes sounds like District 9 or something from a Sci-fi flick!

We're losing this country, if it's not already lost? I don't suffer under any illusion/delusion that there's any chance at getting it back. I'd like to share Paul's optimism, but frankly, I don't.

I'm hunkering down for when the SHTF and I'd recommend that all reading this do the same. We are a nation of pedagogues and it's soon going to be economic feudalism and tribal warfare.

Warfare is already being waged on whites daily. Psychological warfare from the liberal bastards in the media and open, high intensity, warfare from the Negroes in our cities.

Get a gun and learn how to use it white people.

From a white civil rights activist. Dissident.

W74 said...

Agree with Dissident,

The PSYOP has already been worked on us. We support "diverse" schools, "integrated" workplaces and soon enough we won't have the money or possibly even legal power to flee the ever creeping undertow.

Did you know that you can now not only rent single family homes with section 8, but use that taxpayer money toward a rent-to-own mortgage?!?! Yes, YOU now get to pay for scum to OWN property, possibly next door to you.

Furthermore we've been psyop'd, through our wonderful media, into the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Israelis are prepping us for war with Iran as well. The average American (Christians are especially hard-core in supporting them) supports Israel and believes that they are some kind of "democracy" in the middle east and that they're "more us than them (Muslims)". We should've made allies with the Arab world the way France has done, maybe we'd still have exports. Most French, (once again despite the Psyop against them) still have balls/backbone, still hate the third-world trash coming into their country and still have a viable economy, standard of living, and more importantly: culture.

They've got us thick and through my friends. Most of us here already know the lies. Keep teaching others, bring them here or to similar sites. Point out little observations to them if you're out somewhere or at school or work. You who see already see it, help others to do the same and eventually they'll start to notice all on their own.

Fayette White Guy said...

Grizzle, I now live just south of Cincinnati. Don't forget Taste of Cincinnati. That's pretty cool too, lol. I did see a ton of blacks there the day I went this year, though.

Thankfully, northern Kentucky doesn't have a ton of diversity yet.

Anonymous said...

I've long wondered if medical personnel in the "inner city" are extra-careful about getting all that blood from wounded pavement apes on them. They, of all people, must know of the sky-high disease rates among our chocolate friends.

Nigger blood ... almost as toxic as zombie blood!

Anonymous said...

Most white people have absolutely no idea of what blacks are doing to our country and to white people in particular. If you told them anything like what is happening at the trauma centers in Miami, Cincinnati, and other places in the US, they would just look at you like you were crazy. Why? Because this entire society from TV, schools, colleges, news reports, movies, political leaders who never on their political lives would ever mention anything regarding black crime, etc, are all in collusion to keep it from white society.
On TV the crime stories I see, even the composites of criminals are done in white. It's weird the composites show what is obviously a black male with kinky hair or the glued on hair, big flat nose, huge lips, but he's white. Plus the shows never mention race unless it's a white person. I can also know the race of the criminal if there is a black cop or black spokesman somewhere in the show. How much hate can they muster against the white race? Maybe there's just a lot of albino Negroids committing crimes. What is even weirder it's white detectives looking for these albinos.
If it wasn't for the internet who would know? Most folks don't use the internet for news. They use it for fun and games.
The hot blast of hate against the white race goes on 24/7. Be on your guard. Ask the three white females who were shot walking down a street in Atlanta, GA. One is dead, one is now a paraplegic, and one was wounded.
Just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you.

Discard said...

I've heard about the military using ghettos as training grounds before, but it's always presented as some sort of tragedy or disgrace. Shame on you, America! And shame on the Nat'l Rifle Ass'n too!

Anonymous said...

SBPDL,

Check out:

"Problems with Mixed-Race Marriages and Relationships"

http://sociobiologicalmusings.blogspot.com/2011/10/problems-with-mixed-race-marriages-and.html


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Anonymous said...

Paul likes football, how about this:

http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2011-10-17/hancock-county-denies-request-gbi-following-coach-attack?v=1318861157

Warren County:
39.5% White
59.5% Black or African American
1.0% Other
Hancock County:
21.5% White
77.8% Black or African American
0.7% Other

Indianapolis said...

A bit of black history ignored in February (black distory* month):

On Thanksgiving night 1942, an illegal prize fight between a champion boxer of a black regiment and a white boxer of another army regiment degenerated into a melee between competing camps. Subsequently, the black regiment left their barracks en masse and began attacking whites and rioting into downtown. Unable to contain the spreading violence by the black soldiers, local police called in the military. The rioters were met by several military police units who attempted to arrest the rioters. Instead, the rest of the black soldiers based nearby joined the rioters with firearms. The Army quickly responded to the mutiny and surrounded the area with armored personnel carriers and machine guns and ordering soldiers to use full military force against the mutineers resulting in dozens of fatalities. The Colonel of Luke Field who had oversight of the city, soon declared Army personnel banned from Phoenix.

*distory = distorted history

The above account is real black history.

Lastpatriot said...

Interesting story, Indianapolis. Do you have a link to a written account?

Porter said...

Ahh Cincinnati, I have found the Africans-in-America there to be as aggressive as anywhere I have travelled (Chicago is close). If you walk the downtown, you are almost assured of being approached by a black panhandler—and Shakespeare is not on their lips. They can’t even be bothered to force a painted-on smile as they demand your cash. “Yo, you got some money?” goes the typically scowling demand.

Once a mid 40s “youth” approached me soliciting a donation—presumably for tuition to complete his physics degree. His incursion into my personal space came just as I had mentally cataloged all of the ways in which blacks enrich our lives: a process that completed as it began. I responded with a cold “no” and kept walking. Undeterred, he kept apace with “Come on, man. How much you got?” And in a moment of indiscretion, I blurted “I’ve got shit for you, now fuck off.”

This naturally triggered the involuntary flight or fight response and he began defecating on the sidewalk, pounding his chest, and scampering about on all fours. But I was younger than he, much more fit, and plainly ready to brawl. So he muttered a few “MoFos” and slunk back into the shadows as I continued on my way.

In hindsight, this wasn’t my wisest course of action. Had we come to blows there would have been one of two outcomes: a) I would have lost, almost certainly by his use of weaponry, in which case I would have been severely injured at best; or b) I would have won, he would suffer a few cuts and bruises, and I would be prosecuted for a “hate crime” and subsequently lucky to not watch my children grow up through prison cell post-cards.

It is this calculus—and not the frequently cited cowardice--which stays the hand of whites everywhere. We do not defend ourselves because this geography masquerading as a nation does not permit us to. We choose humiliation and beatings over prison sentences. Though when the law and its enforcement apparatus collapses, we will no longer make this choice. We will instead defend our families and neighborhoods with extreme prejudice. And won’t it be amusing to see this realization dawn in the dull bovine eyes of the flash-mobbers?

Indianapolis said...

Lastpatriot,

My post was a copy/paste from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_az

Copy if fast before the leftists tweak it to fit their agenda.

Otherwise, google 'phoenix 1942 riot' to read the distorians' revisions.

Silent Running said...

Great comment from Dissident.

We're losing this country, if it's not already lost? I don't suffer under any illusion/delusion that there's any chance at getting it back. I'd like to share Paul's optimism, but frankly, I don't.

Speaking for myself, I'd say the country (the Federal State) is certainly doomed. The American Nation, however, will live on as long as the American People do. And we all know who the American People really are.

Good riddance to the State. It's time to remember Jefferson's warning, time to bring the whole rotten edifice down and start again.

Anonymous said...

Rev. Dr. Swift said...
I loved The Neverending Story reference. Uh, not that I ever watched it, ever. Don't want you crackers thinking I'm an uncle tom or nothing.


Too late, Affirmative Action pseudo-doctor. We already KNOW you are nothing. Nothing, of course, except a disgrace, a waste of time and space, working White taxpayers' dollars, etc. Interesting how black “doctors” have no understanding of double negatives. Interesting, also, in how his only exposure to a “story” is a “video”. Hey, Tom, read the story. It is better. What’s that? Well, how did you get to be a Doctor without being able to read? Silly me! I forget. DWL’s in educational facilities give blacks extra credit if they can walk and chew gum at the same time, show up to class within 30 minutes of when it is scheduled to start, or can refrain from throwing feces in class.

For you other White people: Why do negroes use the word Cracker? I mean I know the historical reasons, but I've never seen a White person offended by it. In fact, most just laugh at the attempt at an insult. But, let anyone (except another melanin enhanced beast) call them a "nigger" and the appropriately named animal will have the SPLC and the "new" black puddy-tat party visiting the city and demanding reparations of some sort.

Whites are raised from childhood to understand that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me". I guess the ability to suppress their animal nature is too difficult and the possibility of getting face time on WorldStarHipHop.com is something they can brag about to their grandchildren (the first few should be coming along about the time they turn 30) and school the little niglets on the finer points of black culture.

No, I’m just being facetious. Everyone knows why nigs pull the race card as soon as possible: The possibility of getting something for nothing causes them to salivate and to achieve an erection. And besides, it doesn’t matter what you call them. They will disgrace whatever term is the appellation of choice. Whites were supposed to call them “colored”, “negroes”, “African American”, but the same thing always happens. The name becomes an insult because Michael King got his wish. Nigs ARE judged by their character, which is lower than any other primate’s. We could call them “chocolate muffins of love” and it would be an insult within a few minutes. Anything associated with this race becomes a disgrace. But, since shame is a characteristic that these child-like creatures never develop, they choose to let their testosterone rule their behavior and become insulted rather than become something their race is incapable of. Developing past a third grade level of maturity or intelligence above borderline retarded. And the few that do, which is the only kind the media or DWL’s can find, have some other ancestry in addition to the Homo Erectus. Another thing the media and the DWL’s deliberately overlook.

Anonymous said...

I don't play the lottery because I ain't superstitious, but I sure would like to win a Powerball jackpot. Then I could enroll in super expensive liberal arts universities and write RIDICULOUSLY racist essays ... just to see what happens.

That's my idea of a good time.

Hey, Mr. Blogster, have you written about Herman Cain yet? That fucking sambo actually is the Pinto that runs like a Swiss clock. Isn't that crazy? He's going to be president one day!! Holy crap, huh? The goddamn United States of America was taken down by the very thing that once picked it's cotton. That's what you call both totally unexpected and absolutely obvious at the same time.

The Senior Engineer

Indianapolis said...

Porter,

You make good points.

Bernhard Goetz remains the quintessential White guy who had the nerve to defend himself.

He lost a law suit for $50 million to one of his attackers.

Remember Jerome Ersland, the 59-year-old pharmacist who had the guts to defend himself when armed blacks entered his store after hours. Ersland is now spending the rest of his life in prison.

In black run America, it is a de facto law that White people may not defend themselves against black attacks. Blacks may attack with impunity. Chalk it up to black privilege.

Tech9 said...

I avoid blacks like the plague. My husband and I were at dinner the other night. There was a combo of Mexicans, Asians and a few whites as patrons. No fights, no drama, nothing. Just people minding their own business, eating dinner on a Friday night.

Now if we had walked in that restaurant and it was mostly black we would have left as nothing good come from blacks enmasse in a restaurant. When you have hordes of blacks in a restaurant usually something happens, not always, but nine times out of ten.

That's why we avoid Dark hangouts such as Denny's, IHOP, McDonalds, or Red Lobster.

We were at a restaurant a few months ago that is owned by an Eastern European man. A black man sat down to dinner. The waiter avoided him. Finally the black man asked for a menu. The waiter said simply we do not serve your kind here, please leave.

There is a sign on the restaurant that states we have the right to refuse service to anyone. And that they do.

We like that restaurant now and go there quite often.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Herman Cain: Why is he being promoted? Is it time for a conservative Obama? Apparently, we are supposed to come to the understanding that only a proud, brilliant, black man is whom White people should choose to rule us. Especially when we see how incredible they are in Hollywood movies. You know, all the black males are smart, cool, street wise, witty, sexy (in spite of their repulsive appearance), and are always saving the White man from his racist mistakes. Why won't someone else say it: We've had one negro. Never again! They can't create a successful culture or country, can only destroy successful White cultures and countries when they are dropped in their hands, but we are supposed to let them rule us.

The ruling elite has been doing this for some time now. They gave negroes limited 14th Amendment citizenship. Why? We screwed the Indians over even worse and yet didn't give them citizenship (until recently). I suppose you could say because the North didn't have many and wanted to punish the South. But, once the Northern rulers saw how ridiculous and destructive their behavior was, they basically gave the South back to Whites for about 90 years. The Whites put the negroes back in their place and kept them there. At least till Brown v. Board of Education and the '64 Civil Rights act. So, the elite knew what they eventually wanted to do: Enslave the Whites and force them to live with animals until there were enough blacks and immigrants of other races to play divide and conquer. Then stop pretending at all and rule a bankrupt mixed race nature at war with each other and dependent on the Federal government to play referee.

Anonymous said...

It is this calculus—and not the frequently cited cowardice--which stays the hand of whites everywhere. We do not defend ourselves because this geography masquerading as a nation does not permit us to. We choose humiliation and beatings over prison sentences.Though when the law and its enforcement apparatus collapses, we will no longer make this choice.

This is not enough, or soon enough. Jury nullification is not enough; criminal charges against people who defend themselves are enough to ruin them.

The OWS thugs are now mobbing the houses of banksters. We must mob the houses of anti-White prosecutors, attorneys and public officials. Let them know that the game is over, that BRA is finished, that only White forebearance allowed BRA to exist and White forebearance is exhausted. Those who defend themselves against Black violence must not be convicted, must not be charged, must not even be arrested. The most essential right is the right to be left alone, and without constant violations of that right BRA cannot exist.

Anonymous said...

I completely agree with everything your article indicates except towards the end you include Los Angeles in the list of cities with a significant black undertow.
Oddly enough LA with a city population of 3.5 million spread out over 500 square miles, is only about 9% black.
Several percentage points below the national average.
We do however make up for this deficiency with a large population of Latinos, Orientals, Armenians, Indians and other minority groups. Most of which are generally less criminal undertow and more family oriented.

Simon Jester said...

It is this calculus—and not the frequently cited cowardice--which stays the hand of whites everywhere. We do not defend ourselves because this geography masquerading as a nation does not permit us to. We choose humiliation and beatings over prison sentences. Though when the law and its enforcement apparatus collapses, we will no longer make this choice. We will instead defend our families and neighborhoods with extreme prejudice. And won’t it be amusing to see this realization dawn in the dull bovine eyes of the flash-mobbers?

Truer words were never spoken. In the Mexican areas of SoCal, this process has already started, since Mexicans are not nearly as constrained by the niceties of law as whites are. Mexican gangs are quite literally ethnically cleansing their areas of nigger infestation by gunning down every nigger they find. When there's no more money to gas up the police cars and send the police to work, white men will do the same with a methodical ruthlessness that puts the Mexicans to shame. Then we will be free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, we'll be free at last!

Anonymous said...

"Finally the black man asked for a menu. The waiter said simply we do not serve your kind here, please leave.

There is a sign on the restaurant that states we have the right to refuse service to anyone. And that they do."

It is all well and good that they have that sign posted, but in this case, it means nothing. Ever since the government turned every business into a "public accommodation", the business MUST serve negroes, or any other person or group of which the business owner would rather not conduct business. In short: freedom of contract guarantees provided in the Constitution were rendered null and void.

- the commoner

Dissident said...

Thanks Silent Running.

And a brilliant last paragraph from Porter, "It is this calculus—and not the frequently cited cowardice--which stays the hand of whites everywhere. We do not defend ourselves because this geography masquerading as a nation does not permit us to. We choose humiliation and beatings over prison sentences. Though when the law and its enforcement apparatus collapses, we will no longer make this choice. We will instead defend our families and neighborhoods with extreme prejudice. And won’t it be amusing to see this realization dawn in the dull bovine eyes of the flash-mobbers?"

Absolutely true.

And if blacks and other abrasive indigents think that whitey be prejudiced now, just let them wait until the economy really tanks and people go looking for scape goats.

Extreme prejudice is right!

Californian said...

You know, the following statement kinda shocked me, harsh words and all:

Black people cannot create "white culture" and, in all cases, cannot sustain "white culture" when left on their own, but will revert back to "Black culture";

It's as if you are describing the collapse of Roman civilization c. AD 476.

But then again, look at what happened to Rhodesia upon black rule. Get rid of the whites who were running the show, put a black majority Marxist regime in control, and Zimbabwe follows most of post-colonial Africa in a downward spiral.

And are we seeing the same thing in American cities, such as implied by this SBPDL column?

It's easy enough to engage in hyperbole, of course. But when certain American cities are seen by the military being akin to combat zones, there may be something to motivate an occasional hour of concentrated thought.

Anonymous said...

Paul check out Drudge, link to a story involving a high school football team attacking and seriously injuring head coach of opposing team.

Atlanta area.

Anonymous said...

Atlanta area football team seriously injures the head coach of opposing team, go check out Drudge.

Dissident said...

The power-elite of this country have us over a pickle barrel and they are unrelenting in the fact that they're flogging the Hell out of the white race at this moment.

Blacks and other races are being used (willingly,I may add) to bring down the white middle class. Why? So we're ALL equally poor and utterly destitute.

DWL's are being used and are the prime-movers of this racial and cultural genocide. I don't know who I despise more, DWL's, or black Racists (TM)? I'd like to put them in a boat together, and ship them straight back to Africa. Wonder how much the African loving DWL's would like that? Betcha' they wouldn't, hmmmmm?

Being the limousine libtards that they are, and living in their gated communities, while extolling the virtues of the hellish, multicultural utopia that they've created for us.

I am an advocate for western values and for European-Americans.

I'm at war with the power elite and their 'propagenda' and their genocidal policies against my family and I.

We whites need to become more cohesive and more organized for our own racial/cultural interests.

W74 said...

"It is this calculus—and not the frequently cited cowardice--which stays the hand of whites everywhere. We do not defend ourselves because this geography masquerading as a nation does not permit us to. We choose humiliation and beatings over prison sentences. Though when the law and its enforcement apparatus collapses, we will no longer make this choice. We will instead defend our families and neighborhoods with extreme prejudice. And won’t it be amusing to see this realization dawn in the dull bovine eyes of the flash-mobbers?"

Powerful words LastPatriot.

I think we've all come to this realization, especially those of us who have families to protect. It's bad enough if I chose to live in the city, even in a "good" neighborhood, and something happened but I couldn't live with myself if something happened to one of my family members because of my choice of home location.

Yes, we have to do the mental math just like they do the math (sort of) when committing their crimes, and assaulting and killing dey bruvahs. Unfortunately for us jail is not even a minor setback or even an inconvenience for them. That gets weighted into the calculation too.

Anonymous said...

I wonder will GIJoe, trainee surgeon and Army Ranger (IQ 135), be posted to Cinci?

Anonymous said...

"It is this calculus—and not the frequently cited cowardice--which stays the hand of whites everywhere. We do not defend ourselves because this geography masquerading as a nation does not permit us to. We choose humiliation and beatings over prison sentences. Though when the law and its enforcement apparatus collapses, we will no longer make this choice. We will instead defend our families and neighborhoods with extreme prejudice. And won’t it be amusing to see this realization dawn in the dull bovine eyes of the flash-mobbers?"

The laws are changing, and you don't see these types of mobs in the places that have stand your ground laws.

Sheila said...

Another mini-mahogany mob attacks an old White guy: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20111020__Geezer__won_t_let_thugs_ruin_his_walks.html?imageId=58014023

a black guy said...

This website is amazing. Its well understood by most black Americans that racism is alive and well, but ive never seen it so creatively and poetically inspired.

Part of me wants to share this with my friends but i dont want to give this fringe site any more attention than it deserves.

What is interesting is that this site is clearly not born out of the usual hate and evil that is typical of racism, its more out of outright ignorance, short sightedness and frustration. Part of me is almost sympathetic to some of the not so out there opinions presented, but then i read shit like "black run totalitarian regime" and it makes me crap my pants with laughter. I also find it amazing that a cursory glance through this sight and i have seen very few racial slurs. Good for you guys, maybe we are not that far from having an acutal civil discourse on the issue of race.

Still i can do little but shake my head at this place. Job well done to the creator as you have definitely in your weird and strange way helped progress along racial lines if not just through sheer dumb luck.

Seriously though from a Black person to a "non" black person, i want you to really think about what the core problem is with black society. Is it just because we are black? Are you truly suggesting that its a genetic and inherent problem in our system that makes us act the way we do in this and other countries? Or is it something else?

Then again its easier to bitch about the problem than to try to solve it in any meaningful way? Ill be checking back to this place. Im sure im not your first black lurker, but i appreciate the entertainment.

josh said...

I think Rev Dr Swift ("Swift",get it?)is a white guy having some fun at the expense of our dusky brothers.

Porter said...

9:09pm, I embrace your sentiment. Yet we know that should whites assemble on their own behalf, the media would reflexively savage them as evil, unintelligent, reprehensible, repugnant, racists…and Nazis, of course. Though media members are the basest cowards at heart, and will sing to the tune of whichever group exerts the force to demand it.

Look at the timeline below from Napoleonic France. Note the risible language transition as Bonaparte advances on Paris. How does a man go from being a monster to His Majesty the Emperor and source of universal joy within the span of 13 days? Organized application of force.

The media does not exist to report news or facts. The notion is manifestly absurd. Rather its purpose is to validate those in power and vilify those out. And as whites have insanely relinquished not only their power but their fundamental rights as well, the media has become proportionally more hostile: exiled (white) Napoleon is a monster.

A resurgent white Napoleon would quickly find himself upgraded to tyrant (white supremacists). As he gained momentum and support he would become an usurper (white extremists). Through credible threats of revolution—though still ones that could never gain sufficient traction—his description would actually become neutral as in Bonaparte (white activists). As he arrives at the gates, the description becomes first name intimate, Napoleon (white civil rights advocates). As the revolution becomes inevitable, the media rolls over for Emperor Napoleon (founding stock American’s have descended on the capitol to make their voices heard); and finally as Napoleon is reseated, the media prostrates itself at His Majesty the Emperor (today white America joyously reclaims its birthright—the nation celebrates!)

I expect the next day’s editorial would read something like: “Following this dark period in our history, beginning in the 1960s and culminating in the recent violence and discord, we in the media stand poised to remain ever vigilant against threats to our great nation. And a nation—not a polyglot landmass—is what we are. From its European roots, the American tree of liberty shall continue its upward trajectory. And as always, the true American public can expect us to stand as sentinels against any threats to the peace, security, and prosperity of our traditional sovereign people. God bless.”


The following headlines appeared in the French newspaper Moniteur in March of 1815. These banners announced Napoleon's return from Elba to Paris.

March 9: The Monster has escaped from his place of banishment.

March 10: The Corsican Ogre has landed at Cape Juan.

March 11: The Tiger has shown himself at Gap. The Troops are advancing on all sides to arrest his progress. He will conclude his miserable adventure by becoming a wanderer among the mountains.

March 12:The Monster has actually advanced as far as Grenoble.

March 13: The Tyrant is now at Lyon. Fear and Terror seized all at his appearance.

March 18: The Usurper has ventured to approach to within 60 hours march of the capital.

March 19: Bonaparte is advancing by forced marches, but it is impossible he can reach Paris.

March 20: Napoleon will arrive under the walls of Paris tomorrow.

March 21: The Emperor Napoleon is at Fountainbleau.

March 22: Yesterday evening His Majesty the Emperor made his public entry and arrived at the Tuileries. Nothing can exceed the universal joy.

Anonymous said...

Entertainment? To the black guy who finds this site somehow funny, i can say this. I hold the same feelings towards you that Mr Lincoln and Mr Davis held, i hold the same feelings that Mr Cosby holds and many others who have tried to help your kind. Go forth from us, back to the lands of the Berber named continent of Africa. I don't know you, i could care less about you and want nothing more to do with allowing the negro to live in the United States of America.

Pvt keeping an eye on things.

Anonymous said...

Black Guy said
"What is interesting is that this site is clearly not born out of the usual hate and evil that is typical of racism, its more out of outright ignorance, short sightedness and frustration"
No, this site is a result of KNOWLEDGE. Frustration, you bet! Like today, the 84 year old white man beaten by 4 black "yoots" just for the fun of it. Sure looks genetic and inherent to me!

Anonymous said...

"A Black Guy," we don't give a f-ck what your opinion of us is. We don't give a f-ck what the problems of the black community are.

We just want to be rid of your social pathologies, your relentless desire to steal what we create, your robbing and raping and murdering our children and old people, the constant strain of putting up with your kind.

And one way or another, we will be free of your kind.

Anonymous said...

Black Guy,

We don't care what the 'core' problem of black society is. That's for you to figure out. We literally want a separate country from you.

Pick 12% of the country and it's yours -- the timber, arable land, coastline and fishing rights if applicable. Quarries, etc. The conditions? You run it yourself and you're not allowed to enter our territory. No pooled tax revenue, no shared currency.

Van said...

A Black Guy: "Are you truly suggesting that its a genetic and inherent problem in our system that makes us act the way we do in this and other countries? Or is it something else?"

You don't seem to disagree about the behavior of blacks in this, and other, countries; so what do you think is the cause?

As a (possibly unnecessary) pre-emptive, of course not all blacks are one way and all whites another. Clearly we're talking about group level statistics, so let's not take that detour.

So, considering the following:

Sub-saharan Africans never progressed beyond the Stone Age (the ancient Egyptians were NOT black).

The highest level of development ever seen in Sub-saharan Africa was during European colonization, and after Europeans left, organization slipped and the standard of living fell. This has been the case without exception.

When a town, county, or city moves from majority white to majority black, the standard of living falls and crime goes up.

Crime rates in every category (with the possible exception of some alcohol offenses) are significantly higher for blacks than whites - worldwide.

Despite widespread gun ownership, the white US gun homicide rate is only 2 per 100,000 while the black US rate is 20 per 100,000.

Every intelligence test ever devised shows a difference of one standard deviation between US black and white intelligence. Despite the claims of cultural bias, no one has devised an intelligence test that favors blacks (please don't bring up the idiotic BITCH 100 or Chitlin tests - if you think they are remotely comparable to intelligence tests you are an imbecile, a liar, delusional, or all three).

Considering the above, one would logically conclude that these are the normal characteristics of black societies, until blacks regularly show otherwise.

So, Black Guy, what is your explanation?

What is the predictive value of your hypothesis? For example, the hypothesis that the results we see are genetic would predict that when left to themselves, blacks would continue to create less organized, more violent societies. This seems to hold up.

Anonymous said...

Is that the height of black racial thought? That maybe some day a "civil dialogue" can begin? At this point I think it's pretty clear that America has just about "civil dialogued" itself right into the grave.

Anonymous said...

"Is it just because we are black?"

Don't be silly. Black is only skin deep. Unfortunately, N1gger is to the bone. "You people" are statistically less intelligent and prone to violence. Likely more compulsive as well but I'm not aware of scientific studies of that. If I had to explain it, you're like children with black skin and anger issues.

I honestly don't care why. For any factor you care to control for blacks have these issues. DNA is the most likely reason but maybe its just a giant conspiracy of the whiteys to steal your culture and keep you down, even in africa. The problem will be solved in a meaningful way when the system that protects you collapses under its own weight.

I don't think you're black either....just some liberal pretender. A real black would write like a child and say one or more of the following:
a)white bitchez luv muh
b) muh dik be big
c) fuk you whitey we has a black president now and we gonna kill you
d) white pussies
e)muh dik

or

f) all of the above.

Anonymous said...

People, believe him when he tells you he crapped his pants.

Tech9 said...

A black guy - I'll be more than happy to give you my perspective.

As a white separatist I do not wish to live anywhere near black people. I'm not one of those DWL's who pretend to have non-white friends. I don't and I don't plan to.

I'm not mean to non-whites, I just want nothing to do with them. If I HAVE to engage with a black person, I'll be courteous and civil but that's as far as it goes. But I never, I mean never let my guard down around blacks.

When you're around blacks you can never relax.

the same black guy as before said...

Wow

I stand corrected on the concept of "civil discourse" as it pertains to whats going on here.
Still, i cant judge you all based on a select few individuals who lack civility. I mean what kind of person would i be to judge an entire group based on a distinctly narrowed scope of experience...(hint hint)

Im not about to waste time going through a real argument with a bunch of fringe racists as it is useless, but ill try to give a shot to Van.

Van, the problem comes down to cultural norms, much like the author is alluded to.

Black/African culture is fucked and has been fucked ever since we came in contact with you guys, and that is a long and complicated relationship that isnt working out to well. But in general the culture, principles, and mores that resulted from the experiences of slavery, apartheid, imperialism, etc isnt really one that effectively lends itself to functioning society, especially if the norms and standards of said society arent fully palatable. I mean think about it, to make us effective slaves you broke every element of positive cultural behavior we had and anything positive we could have took from Africa and instilled the mindest that you have a problem with today. If you look at black tribal culture past and present, we arent as advanced (we didnt have to be we were i Africa the most bountiful continent on the planet) we do somehow manage not to kill each other and destroy our communities despite our "clearly unstable DNA".

There is so much more to this explanation but im sure that it would fall on deaf ears, my suggestion is if you really want to know do some research on the opposite end of the spectrum. I mean thats how i ended up here and i definitely learned something.

I just want to get a couple of things off my chest.

1- the concept of race is a social and cultural construct based mostly of of what equates to be minor differences in genetic codes. Melanin, bone structure, and a few other small variables are the only scientifically proven differences between races. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrKrGkgeww4Everything else comes from culture.

2- its clear that although this site is based on "knowledge" any academic who is not a racist could pick most of these nonsensical "proofs" about black people apart as almost all of them are based on logical fallacies, cherry picked and skewed statistics, racist hysterics or simple outright falsehoods.

3- Most of you need a life and or a hug as well as a wake up call. I keep hearing about getting rid of us and sending us back to Africa. These delusions of some great race war or revolution against blacks, or jews or whoever you guys hate (Arabs? Mexicans?) has been going on for a few generations now. Its not gonna happen. I mean really were 13% of the population and ALL of us live in major cities, when is the tactical movement going to get going? Is it really that hard to find soldiers that share your same ideas? I mean come on black people are so bad clearly you can get at least 20% of your own population to take up arms? It would be a slaughter...right? Just bomb the major cities nothing but gays and liberals living there anyway.

Or is it that its just stupid ramblings of fringe idiots with too much time on their hands and too few books in their libraries.

the same black guy as before said...

3- I see stuff like "no common tax pool" missing the fact that white people make up around 70% of welfare recipients. Whats funniest is that those same uneducated, unhealthy, generationally impoverished, people will point at black people and sneer with scorn because were somehow ruining everything. We're ruining everything as our middle class grows, we're ruining everything as our crime rate drops we're ruining everthing as black men i college finally starts to outnumber black men in jail (look it up people). The same lunatic fringe has been whining from their trailers and log cabins about how their gonna do something and in the end its just as silly as the new black panther party or any other fringe lunatic group that thrives of jerking off to their own xenophobia.

The truth is our problem is also your problem. We have a common enemy we just dont work well together because the people above us know how to pull our strings. Its quite obvious that most of you guys are living crappy marginal lives or you would simply have better shit to do than comfort each other in your racist support group. So when you life turns to the dumps even though the American "dream" told you that you were special and that if you worked hard you would make it etc what do you do? HUMAN nature says you have to point the finger at someone right? I mean black people point and blame you guys, isn't it obvious for you to do the same?

But im getting tired and im going to go occupy a major American city tomorrow with a bunch of DWLs and probably a few libertarians, so im getting in the bed. Good stuff though people, after first reading i honestly did some contemplation wondering if i had missed something to think that seemingly sensible educated people would be so deeply racist, but after reading your responses i see i was mistaken on a few of those initial descriptions. You guys enjoy your fringe and feel free to swan dive off of it head first. Ill be lurking and i look forward to your continued banter.

Californian said...

"What is interesting is that this site is clearly not born out of the usual hate and evil that is typical of racism, its more out of outright ignorance, short sightedness and frustration"

When whites (or others) have tried to dissent from the prevailing party line on race, they have been shouted down, lost their jobs, been subjected to lawsuits, seen their conferences canceled, been physically assaulted, and even had the SWAT teams come after them.

The thing is, trying to hold a civil dialog on race just does not seem to work in these decadent days. This is one reason that race realists often sound a tad extreme in their rhetoric. Because being civil is not an option.

A lot of people would really like to see a civil debate being held on, say, a college campus about such issues as genetic factors in IQ determination, or affirmative action as discrimination against white people. Alas, there is a dreary record of such events being subjected to disruption and violence by those who normally sing hosannas to "tolerance" and "diversity."

What SBPDL does, among other things, is record trends which demonstrate the systemic discrimination against white people and then provides a reasoned analysis.

And it does give many people cause for concern to see the high rates of black-on-white violent crime, all of which is generally ignored by the media and government when it comes time to prosecute for "hate crimes."

Those of us who have experience in Africa might also note how in countries in which blacks are a majority, whites are systemically driven from their lands and jobs, as well as subjected to some really unpleasant torture killings. Again, all with little in the way of notice from those who normally trumpet "racism" and "genocide" when a black is the target of, say, an inopportune use of certain forbidden words.

Might there not be a cause for concern with the much ballyhooed prediction that whites will be a minority in America by the mid-21st century?

It gets back to the phrase Black Run America (BRA). This does not mean that blacks literally run the country, but that the country is run as if blacks are a privileged class. They not only receive legal privileges (affirmative action, minority grants, etc., etc), but special protections (from "hate crimes"), as well as near mandatory deference (try questioning MLK and see how long your job would last).

A case in point is your use of the terms "hate and evil." Already you have prejudged and labeled those who dissent with some nasty terms. Can you not conceive that there are those who disagree with you who are motivated by good will and respect for the truth?

SwampThizzle said...

Now you guys know why I call the place "Cincinnappy." Heh.

Dissident said...

"The media does not exist to report news or facts. The notion is manifestly absurd. Rather its purpose is to validate those in power and vilify those out."

Clap!..Clap!...Clap!!!! Never truer words have been spoken Porter. Well said, sir!

Now, to the black guy.

Listen, we are waaaaaaaay beyond civil discourse in this country. We've been doing that for decades. Question? How's it working out for white people? Judging from the internet articles (mainstream won't print it!) I keep reading, we're under assault. Not from Asians, not so much from Hispanics, nor Indians, but guess WHO???? Thaaaaaat's right--from NEGROES!!!

I said Negroes!! Want me to say it again black guy?

PS. NEGROES!

Dissident said...

Black guy said, "Its well understood by most black Americans that racism is alive and well"

As it should be black guy, because BLACKS are some of the most racist specimens of humanity to ever grace God's green earth?

I've certainly had my belly full of black racists and hostile Negroes throughout my scant 40-some years. My encounters with blacks are that they are amicable to your face sometimes, but when they pack-up, they're like ravenous wolves looking to feast on whitey.

Sorry black guy, but the sting of RACISM (TM)has lost it's "bite" with me and many other aware whites.Take is elsewhere, you're pissing in the wind here bro.

Anonymous said...

Hey, "A Black Guy..." want to see some REAL Anti-Groid hatred? Go to YouTube and look at the channel of the dumb bitch who put up the "Epic Beard Man" video.

You GOTTA be a white guy in drag. We're having wine and cheese with you compared to what THOSE posters are serving up.

Paleface 6

Dissident said...

"But im getting tired and im going to go occupy a major American city tomorrow with a bunch of DWLs and probably a few libertarians, so im getting in the bed"

Ahh, so you're heading out to occupy Wall street huh?

Listen, Mr Enlightened one. Please do tell us who the THEY or the THEM is that you're referencing?

Don't come on here pretending that we're all caught in the mysterious ether of "dialectic", and that somehow we're unaware that there are forces pushing and pulling. We're much more aware than you give us credit for, it's just that when the rubber meets the road, it's the Negro that I see committing most of the crime, NOT the nefarious NWO. or coporporate fascists, or tea-Party, etc....

Anonymous said...

ts well understood by most black Americans that racism is alive and well,

so I guess more money will have to be spent of education to make blacks less racist.

Anonymous said...

Black/African culture is fucked and has been fucked even b4 we came in contact with you guys,

Fixt it 4 u!

Anonymous said...

Black Guy,

I'm the guy who was bringing up no shared tax revenue.

If Whites make up 70% of the welfare recipients, then it really won't be a big deal to lose all those unproductive, unhealthy people from your tax base, will it?

Blacks are better than Whites at everything (right?), so setting up shop in your own territory where you have control of your own sovereign currency, educational structure, mineral rights, and social expenditures should be the way to go. I'll bet you can colonize Mars by the end of the decade.

Californian said...

I mean what kind of person would i be to judge an entire group based on a distinctly narrowed scope of experience...(hint hint)

Let's see:

* "Or is it that its just stupid ramblings of fringe idiots with too much time on their hands and too few books in their libraries."

* "Most of you need a life and or a hug as well as a wake up call."

* "The same lunatic fringe has been whining from their trailers and log cabins about how their gonna do something..."

So now who is judging an entire group, etc., etc?

Have you bothered to check out the backgrounds of race realists? How do you know that they live in log cabins, or do not have a "life" or access to books?

Is this a case of your inability to face people who might dissent from your deeply held opinions, as well as the usual one sided propaganda from the media and academia?

Im not about to waste time going through a real argument with a bunch of fringe racists as it is useless,

Why is sticking the term "racists" enough to cause you to dismiss the opportunity for dialog? Supposing one were to say they were not going to waste time debating an "egalitarian?"

What if it turns out that the "racists" are correct? Do you suppress facts which conflict with your ideological assumptions? And treat dissidents from the current egalitarian orthodoxy as heretics?

Do you support the violation of civil rights by, say, censoring people who might exercise their free speech rights to promote a race realist viewpoint on college campuses or in the media?

Californian said...

...and even more...

Black Guy, I see you repeating a party line here, but then that is to be expected because the media, academia, the government, and obviously the black racial advocates all have promoted this line for so long that many Americans are discombobulated by anyone who breaks ranks and offers an alternative point of view.

Let me address your points:

Black/African culture is f*cked and has been f*cked ever since we came in contact with you guys,

If there is anything that has pushed people into race realism, it is this sort of statement: blacks blaming whites for their problems.

If "race is just a construct" then how can the fact that people with white skin did something to people with black skin centuries ago possibly have any impact on what is happening today?

Look at the bait and switch here: race is no longer a "construct;" it suddenly becomes a reality when it serves the interests of blacks, a reality which spans the centuries and affects everything that happens today.

You tell us that culture accounts for behavior (the nurture vs nature argument). For half a century, blacks have been a legally privileged group in the USA: affirmative action, minority grants, "hate crime" protection, Section 8 housing, academia-media-government-corporations all pushing the pro-civil rights party line.

How do you account for increasing black dysfunctions, such as the growing rates of illegitimacy, school drop outs, black men in prison, flash mob violence against other races, etc? These are far in excess of the rates for other races in the USA, and can be correlated to genetic factors such as median IQ levels.

But in general the culture, principles, and mores that resulted from the experiences of slavery, apartheid, imperialism, etc isnt really one that effectively lends itself to functioning society,

Then explain why blacks have the highest standards of living, education rates, levels of economic development, etc., in the USA (slavery-segregation) and South Africa (imperialism-apartheid)?

White South Africans busted their humps to provide blacks with education, hospitals, functional homelands, and various amenities of civilization. Why not compare life under apartheid with life under a Mobutu or Idi Amin or Shaka Zulu?

I mean think about it, to make us effective slaves you broke every element of positive cultural behavior ...

"you?" No one on this website has ever engaged in slave raiding or owned a plantation (I think!).

Again, note the double standard: when it serves blacks interests, race is no longer a "construct," it becomes a reality which has stretched across the centuries.

I could point out that many people here had ancestors here who were abolitionists or who served in the Union army or Royal Navy (both of which fought wars against slavery).

If you are going to hold people collectively accountable, then how about showing a little appreciation here?

...we had and anything positive we could have took from Africa and instilled the mindest that you have a problem with today.

What are those positive things from sub-Saharan Africa? Illiteracy? Lack of development of technology and architecture? Slave raiding?

Explain to me why Rhodesia, under white rule, could be a functioning society, one which exported food and maintained a general civility. Yet under black majority rule Zimbabwe has become a failed state presided over by a police state regime). Same environment, same people, but the difference is one between white and black rule.

Dissident said...

Good points Californian. I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that Black Guy only supports freedom of speech for those of his orthodoxy, which is typical of the "freedom-loving" libtards.

I'm sure that when BG gets back from his libtard convention on Wall Street, that he'll have plenty to say? Until then the silence is deafening isn't it?

Mr. Rational said...

I see stuff like "no common tax pool" missing the fact that white people make up around 70% of welfare recipients.

You don't see it because it's a lie.  Out of 46.2 million poor people in the USA in 2010, only 19.6 million are non-Hispanic Whites.  Hispanics and Blacks account for 23.9 million of the total US poor, or 51.7%.  Blacks are 12.7% of the population but 23.1% of the poor.  Non-Hispanic Whites are 64.9% of the population but just 42.4% of the poor.

If Black social services were paid out of Black taxes and only Black taxes, the few productive and articulate Black people would be screaming about the burden of the poor Blacks and demanding that Something Be Done.  But Black social services are paid for by Whites, so when White people complain you call it "racism".

Take your PC dogma and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Van said...

Black Guy:

"Van, the problem comes down to cultural norms, much like the author is alluded to.

Black/African culture is fucked and has been fucked ever since we came in contact with you guys, and that is a long and complicated relationship that isnt working out to well."

Predictive value. If this was true - its only culture - you would expect that somewhere, sometime, blacks would create a stable, modern society. But they don't. Your hypothesis fails the predictive value test. On the other hand, the genetic-basis hypothesis has strong predictive value.

Apply the logical concept of prima facie.

"If you look at black tribal culture past and present, we arent as advanced (we didnt have to be we were i Africa the most bountiful continent on the planet)"

And to think that 120,000 years of separation would not have an impact on allele frequencies, much less the potential appearance of, and selection for, new genes, demonstrates complete ignorance of basic evolution/biology. Or, in the case of SJ Gould, intentional and blatant dishonesty.

"There is so much more to this explanation but im sure that it would fall on deaf ears, my suggestion is if you really want to know do some research on the opposite end of the spectrum."

Research is how I changed from an anti-racist to a realist.

"the concept of race is a social and cultural construct based mostly of of what equates to be minor differences in genetic codes."

So absurd. The races correspond to population groups that were isolated from each other for great time periods - over 100,000 years, likely over 120,000 years, in the case of Caucasians and sub-Saharan Africans (recent discoveries put the date this far out; previous claims were as little as 30,000).

"Melanin, bone structure, and a few other small variables are the only scientifically proven differences between races."

Not true - 5% of the DNA of all non-sub-Saharan people comes from Neandertal. Sub-Sarahan Afrcians have a greater percentage of their DNA from an unidentified humanoid.

Other recent discoveries have found additional genetic differences, including genes that may affect intelligence. These discoveries are not particularly publicized, but if you look you can find them.

"white people make up around 70% of welfare recipients."

Its closer to 50/50, with blacks being slightly over 50% when ALL welfare programs are included (there is no Welfare Agency - various welfare programs are administered through a number of Agencies and Departments). With blacks at 12-13% of the population, for them to even approach 50% of welfare recipients is pathetic.

In addition, it would be interesting to look at the dollar value of benefits received rather than simply the number of recipients. I don't have that information - anyone?

Zenster said...

Anonymous (October 19, 2011 6:25 PM): For you other White people: Why do negroes use the word Cracker?

Louis CK on "Being White" and having someone call you a "cracker".

Zenster said...

W74: Yes, we have to do the mental math just like they do the math (sort of) when committing their crimes, and assaulting and killing dey bruvahs.

I know that you sought to inject some doubt with your "sort of" qualifier, but Blacks clearly don't "do the mental math". Of late, I have been forced to wonder if they are even capable of it. The reduced IQ and lower general intelligence of your average Black person militates against any such thing.

It is this inability, or often outright refusal, to foresee consequences and make useful predictive analysis which continually damns Blacks to the absolute worst outcomes. That they are so often self-inflicted only makes the entire situation that much more pathetic.

Similarly, it is increasingly difficult to deny that this refusal by Blacks to engage in such critical analytic skills is a direct result of their almost unanimous rejection of anything remotely resembling White behavior.

In this voluntary self-exclusion is a particularly harsh message for the world's Black community.

Refusing to "act White" implies self-ejection from that part of civilization which is making the most progress.

Perhaps this is one of the root causes of Liberalism's unremitting antagonism for the Pale Male™. Only by deconstructing White America, specifically White Christian America, is there any hope of once again lowering the bar sufficiently whereby Blacks and other sluggard cultures like Islam will have the least chance of making any show of themselves.

Few better explanations exist with respect to the huge groundswell of Liberal belief in The Great Warmening™. Full implementation of existing "Cap & Trade" reductions in carbon emissions will result in America becoming a Third World nation.

This sort of socio-cultural "leveling" amounts to nothing less than mass suicide in the part of what, by all rights, should be the most competent, productive and justifiably progressive portion of modern civilization.

Such self-loathing, as inspired by Cultural Marxism, is one of the few explanations for what amounts to nothing but totally self-destructive behavior on the part of American and European Whites.

Furthermore, it is these same components of unchecked immigration (i.e., cultural relativism ― "everyone's the same"), religious universalism (i.e., everyone believes in the same things) and so forth that are bringing Western civilization to its knees.

Van said...

Interesting how racists are pathetic losers with no jobs, who can't get laid, and live in their mom's basements; yet still have the power to oppress black people worldwide.

Anonymous said...

Black/African culture is f*cked and has been f*cked ever since we came in contact with you guys,

Yeah! You tell it man!

Slaves used be worth $40 000 (equivalent) in 1850 and poor old african slave dealer can only get $90 today.

Damn you White man with your anti-slavery laws!

How is the african slave trader expected to survive?

Californian said...

Research is how I changed from an anti-racist to a realist.

An important point.

One thing to consider is that if the established powers go through so much effort to suppress race realist science, then the objective observer might want to take a look at what it has to say.

D. Freeman said...

Im greatly interested in continuing this conversation and I crafted very long response in particular to "californian's" statement. Eventually i would also like Van to elaborate more on his biological/genetic info that he is using to promote similar ideals. However, my response was so long that posting it here would be a huge chore and in the end i would still have to wade through throngs of nonsense from other posters with less intelligent things to say about the issue. SOOOOOOO


I created a blog of my own, and my first post is a response to the arguments of Californian. This way we can have at minimum a 1 on 1 discussion and at maximum a discussion with an audience where non productive comments can be left out. This does not mean i will not allow detractors to post but if you post is not far from this -

"Now, to the black guy.

Listen, we are waaaaaaaay beyond civil discourse in this country. We've been doing that for decades. Question? How's it working out for white people? Judging from the internet articles (mainstream won't print it!) I keep reading, we're under assault. Not from Asians, not so much from Hispanics, nor Indians, but guess WHO???? Thaaaaaat's right--from NEGROES!!!

I said Negroes!! Want me to say it again black guy?

PS. NEGROES!"

then you would best be served to stick around this site and avoid my new blog. This way i dont come here derailing every post and comment with my dessenting opinion

That is of course if mr SBPDL allows for me to promote it here.
newnegronews.blogspot.com

I look forward to continuing this conversation. thank you to all the reasonable participants

D. Freeman said...

"A black Guy" is now D. Freeman by the way. I wasnt sure if others realized that.

Johnny Utah said...

After reading the comments from "a black guy" it made me wonder.
What if we had just left the spear chucking, mud hut dwelling africans alone?

As an earlier poster - Van said, "Sub-saharan Africans never progressed beyond the Stone Age (the ancient Egyptians were NOT black)."

So if we had just left the africans in africa to exist in their permanent stone age way of life - everything would be gravy now.

Since africans have not created anything of value or contributed to the modern world in any way, we would not have missed out on anything if we had just left the savages where they were and as the were.

If blacks were never imported, BRA would never have come to pass.

Van said...

Freeman:

I'm not really interested in attempting to convince a black person of my views. Your obvious biases on the subject are likely insurmountable. Therefore, I see no reason to spend the time gathering citations and links in such a futile endeavor.

If you wish, crime data and welfare use data are readily available. Keep in mind demographics, and the importance of standardizing data into rates when comparing populations of different size.

Prima facie is a simple concept - something appears to be true "at first look" or "on its face." This is important here in determining who has the greater burden of proof - those who believe blacks can create stable, modern, advanced, low-crime societies; or those who believe they can't?

Over thousands of years, blacks have never done so. Before whites, after whites, among whites - never. On its face, it would appear that they can't. The burden of proof moves to you, to show that they can. If this topic wasn't so wrought with emotion and ideology, this would be the logical conclusion for anyone.

Let's look at your assertion that white interference is responsible for for the inability of blacks to create modern, stable, low-crime societies anywhere around the world. Where is your evidence? To support your hypothesis, you must rely on the existence of the initial observation. This is known as circular reasoning (the effect is used as evidence of the existence of the hypothetical cause), is considered a logical fallacy, and demonstrates the weakness of your assertion. If you were correct, we would expect black societies to improve when whites get out of the way. In fact, we see the opposite.

But you must rely on this:
Observation: black societies are screwed up.
Hypothetical cause: white interference.
Evidence for hypothesis: black societies are screwed up.

The problem is you can insert any hypothesis in, and the circle holds up.

As for my claims on genetics; easily researched on your own. It may take some time, but the information is available. I will add this: an opposing researcher claiming to have debunked the works of genetic-basis supporter doesn't necessarily make it so. One thing that shifted me from a believer in culture to genetics was the overall weakness in the culture arguments, and the frequent dishonesty they used when attacking the work of genetic-basis supporters.

And finally; at this point, the cause is less important than the reality. Blacks are a net negative on my life. I simply want as little to do with you as possible. You provide nothing of value that I can't get from non-blacks, but bring significant negatives that are simply not present when you are avoided. Since its impossible for me to discern the good, bad, and neutral without exposing myself to the bad, you are best avoided.

Zenster said...

Van: Over thousands of years, blacks have never done so. Before whites, after whites, among whites - never.

That is an excruciatingly well-put argument, in all of two short sentences. It is a forensic center-punch with respect to the debate about any sustainability of functional Black culture.

Three components exist in Van's observation:

No intervention: Prior to White man's arrival in sub-Saharan Africa, almost all preexisting cultures were rudimentary nomadic or hunter-gatherer types. Technological innovation was almost nonexistent.

Colonial Intervention: Living among relatively advanced White culture ipso facto did not provide sufficient inspiration for Blacks to adopt or emulate such civilized behavior.

Post-Colonial Era: With Whites having voluntarily withdrawn or actively being ethnically cleansed, as in Zimbabwe, there is an immediate reversion to corruption driven destitution and tribal warfare or genocide.

One could easily make a similar case for American Blacks using Detroit as a model. The swift reversion to rampant squalor and incorrigible criminality in that city mirrors much of the sub-Saharan model.

Zenster said...

a black guy: Its well understood by most black Americans that racism is alive and well, but ive never seen it so creatively and poetically inspired.

If by "racism" you mean prejudice by Whites towards Blacks, in that you are sorely mistaken.

Case in point, a man of color sits in the Oval Office. For the nonce, we will set aside arguments about the legitimacy of his claim to that office.

White prejudice against Blacks was well one its way to the scrapheap all through the 1970s and 1980s. Even now the MSM does its damnedest to stem any revival of it, despite an urgent need to examine predatory behavior by Blacks towards Whites.

Part of me wants to share this with my friends but i don't want to give this fringe site any more attention than it deserves.

Such a dismissive attitude betrays a towering ignorance on your part with respect to how significant this issue remains and this web site's importance in providing a free forum for discussing the topic.

What is interesting is that this site is clearly not born out of the usual hate and evil that is typical of racism, its more out of outright ignorance, short sightedness and frustration.

You are only half right, for all which that implies. You are correct in observing that, "this site is clearly not born out of the usual hate and evil that is typical of racism". You are dead nuts wrong to think that, "its more out of outright ignorance, short sightedness and frustration."

A decade or two ago, many of us might have admitted to a sense of frustration that Black America just wasn't "getting it" with regard to bootstrapping themselves and joining the civilized world.

That "frustration" has long since lapsed into a deep cynicism over a nearly unanimous refusal by Blacks to adopt almost anything having to do with White culture. This drills all the way down to the "no snitch" policy of urban Blacks that drives or enables a huge percentage of Black-on-Black crime.

As to such derisive hogwash as "outright ignorance" or "short sightedness", you quite obviously are intentionally overlooking the massive amount of documentary evidence and sound forensic thought that accompanies much of the commentary here at SBPDL.

Do so at your own peril. America's Black community is a socio-cultural train-wreck-in-progress and White America has had a bellyful of the whining, victim mentality and outright criminal behavior of so many Blacks.

The Black-on-White rape and murder statistics cannot be ignored and they amount to an open declaration of war by Blacks against White America.

Your attempts to shrug off such glaring facts demonstrate either a disingenuous manner or sheer stupidity on a dangerous scale.

Too many Black Americans amount to nothing more than tantrum prone babies sulking in their soiled diapers and grabbing at whatever is in their reach without consideration of others.

Zenster said...

a black guy: Part of me is almost sympathetic to some of the not so out there opinions presented, but then i read shit like "black run totalitarian regime" and it makes me crap my pants with laughter.

It is abundantly clear that you have not been paying close attention to the Obama administration's conniving and posturing. Trying to derogate such wholly warranted observations by saying, "it makes me crap my pants with laughter" puts you squarely in the category of "tantrum prone babies sulking in their soiled diapers" that I noted earlier.

If you had something serious to contribute, you would not be resorting to such verbal humbug.

Please rest assured that you are not the first Black person to drop by here and piss in the punchbowl. We see it all the time and it only cements for us the negative impressions ir stereotypes that Blacks have worked so diligently to implant.

Job well done to the creator as you have definitely in your weird and strange way helped progress along racial lines if not just through sheer dumb luck.

Here again, you are profoundly mistaken. Paul Kersey has no need to actively push a racial agenda. His major function is to simply place in front of us the evidence that Black America so abundantly provides and, perhaps, paste a few labels upon it for the sake of reference.

When it comes to driving racism in Whites, American Blacks are doing all the heavy lifting. Notice the almost complete and total lack of pro-Klan messages here? That's because few, if any, of us would participate in such a cretinous organization.

None of that changes the mounting groundswell of incendiary anger over how American Blacks continue to crap on the carpet wherever they go and degrade everybody's quality of life no matter who they live near.

Is it just because we are black? Are you truly suggesting that its a genetic and inherent problem in our system that makes us act the way we do in this and other countries?

It sure as hell is beginning to look that way. The similarities between sub-Saharan Africa and Detroit are too numerous to ignore. Pervasive low IQ and inadequate GI (General Intelligence) are endemic to Black culture around the world and White Americans are getting tired of pissing away so many resources in what has clearly become a futile, if not thankless, effort to uplift those who adamantly refuse to be uplifted.

Then again its easier to bitch about the problem than to try to solve it in any meaningful way?

Yet again you are sorely mistaken. Nobody here is "bitching" about Black America. Most of us are long past that unproductive phase.

We are identifying and reaching agreement on just how destructive Blacks continue to be while framing out the politics necessary to get some forward motion going with respect to clothes-lining Black America in its predatory tracks.

D. Freeman said...

@ Van if you read or respond to nothing else, please at least help me get a head start on finding the research you speak of about genes and biology and how you came to some of your conclusions. There is just far too much outright crap out there to go searching with out a focus. You may not be a "racist" or hate group member, etc. But those groups are most prevalent on the internet so i would rather avoid them while looking for this information.

That said, Im sorry Van but a good chunk of your argument is based on cherry picked and exclusionary revisionist history and outright facetiousness.

1- Here is a list of Sub Saharan African Kingdoms that existed before European imperialism with little in the way of crime and war that had advancement in technology, art, architecture,etc.

Mali empire, Songhai empire, Nri empire, Oyo Empire, Nok empire, old Zimbabwe, old Liberia, etc. And this was through a cursory Google search. All pretty much fit your criteria, all represent modern day lands that were eventually colonized and ravaged by white imperialism and now stand in veritable ruin. Your point about circular logic stands corrected.

Furthermore, here is a quick list of technological advances and inventions attributed to black people- The cell phone, the traffic light, the blood bank, The elevator, the gas mask, peanut butter, pencil sharpener, typewriter, refrigerator. Again this disputes your position on the net worth of what black people are and have been to this country and the world as a whole.

But aside from that i have no further quarrel with you Van. In fact your last statement makes me respect you further.

The issue i have with the philosophy of this site is that it is trying to clandestinely purport white supremacy under the guise of scientific method and genetics when the bulk of what is being said is incredibly short sighted and often logically and scientifically unsound. Using this info to explain and promote white supremacy is fallacious and is the main reason why this theory has no foothold in real acedemia.

At the same time, i don't begrudge you if you simply say "Since its impossible for me to discern the good, bad, and neutral without exposing myself to the bad, you are best avoided." To me this is your own way of saying "look i know that all black people arent fucked up but too many are, and id rather not take my chances if i dont have too."

Now that isnt a popular or PC statement to make but its one that i cant help but endorse because its your right to act in such a way, its your opinion and its is easily supported by plenty of facts.

See from that place of honesty there is the potential for growth, maybe not with you per-say, but as a whole with whites, blacks, and other people of color. But if these pseudo scientific principles you hide behind are allowed to go unchecked and the general conscious of the population is allowed to believe that black problems are inherently genetic and cannot be changed. Then there is no hope and I along with many of my people are doomed to the state we are currently in. I know what the effect of such a thought process is which is why i chose to discuss it and break it down to its truth. If you dont like black people, you dont like black people. You dont need a scientifically based philosophy to empower you to your own opinion, you just need to be prepared to deal with the consequences of being in the(gasp!) minority.

D. Freeman said...

Sadly the worst part of this "race realist" nonsense is that it is a fabrication that white people are using to express racism that actually makes the issue worse as it devalues the essentially normal principle of racism by attaching it to bigotry, oppression, and hate. The author of the site, despite his clear crazyness knows that he cannot allow his overall message to be appropriated by the usual hate speech or it will never see the light of day. This is why he does not allow name calling etc.

There is nothing wrong with preferring your people above others or having a general disease or dislike for things that are different, unfamiliar, or in this case potentially threatening. I mean educated and accomplished black people aviod "black undertow" as much as anyone else. There is nothing wrong with that in isolation and you dont need science to justify it if you tone down the rhetoric.

The problem is that White America cannot detach this principle from white supremacy and oppression. And admittedly the rest of America wont allow it, which i also think is a mistake. In reality this makes me sad for you guys because over time, i dont know if white culture will be able to survive in the long run without promoting white supremacy which the new world will categorically reject, leaving you all toothless as a race and more significantly as a culture.

But im rambling now. Either way Van I honestly implore you to at least give me a name or a book or something to start with that goes into your ideals about genes and biology. With the vast amount of racist vitriol on the internet it is almost impossible to find something semi credible.

Zenster said...

Anonymous (October 20, 2011 6:35 PM): Is that the height of black racial thought? That maybe some day a "civil dialogue" can begin? At this point I think it's pretty clear that America has just about "civil dialogued" itself right into the grave.

Not quite, but we are well along in the process. All that awaits is completing our "civil dialogue" with Islam as Muslims overrun Europe and America in order to drag us with them back into the barbaric Iron Age of global shari'a law.

With that accomplished, America will well and truly have "civil dialogued" itself right into the grave.

Zenster said...

the same black guy as before: Still, i cant judge you all based on a select few individuals who lack civility. I mean what kind of person would i be to judge an entire group based on a distinctly narrowed scope of experience...(hint hint)

The only problem with your ostensible "logic" is that actual White "racists" are very few in number compared to actively racist, Black thugs who are, to a massive and overwhelming degree, disproportionately responsible for much of America's violent crime.

No "judgement" involved, no "narrowed scope of experience" need apply.

Just the cold hard facts that prove time and again how Blacks consistently and severely degrade the quality of life for everyone around them including other Blacks.

No amount of verbal sophistry or misdirection can neutralize the basic truth of that statement.

Zenster said...

the same black guy as before: Black/African culture is fucked and has been fucked ever since we came in contact with you guys, and that is a long and complicated relationship that isnt working out to well.

Nice try. "Black/African culture" was "fucked and has been fucked ever since" it came into existence. Why else were barbaric Muslim slave traders able to pillage your continent of origin so consistently throughout all history? Do you think it is mere coincidence that intensely racist Islam is busily shredding Africa even now?

Are you even aware that Islam has enslaved more Blacks than Europe and America combined?

Please do not spew the usual tripe that all Black woes arise from its contact with White culture. Hell, much of sub-Saharan Africa would be thoroughly depopulated if not for the famine relief and medical attention provided by, largely White, foreign aid.

But in general the culture, principles, and mores that resulted from the experiences of slavery, apartheid, imperialism, etc isnt really one that effectively lends itself to functioning society, especially if the norms and standards of said society arent fully palatable.

Who gives a rip? It is moronic to make any attempt at blaming "slavery, apartheid, imperialism, etc" for the persistent woes of Black culture. Can you honestly deny that Zimbabwe, under Robert Mugabe, is now free from White influence and has entered a death spiral that is entirely at the hands of Blacks themselves?

By bringing up the typical "blame Whitey" talking points of so many other mewling Blacks who venture to comment here, you automatically flag yourself as the usual victim-mentality Black to whom most of us refuse to give the time of day.

Zenster said...

the same black guy as before : If you look at black tribal culture past and present, we arent as advanced (we didnt have to be we were i Africa the most bountiful continent on the planet) we do somehow manage not to kill each other and destroy our communities despite our "clearly unstable DNA".

Total rubbish! Africa has been home to almost all of the very worst genocides ever since the Holocaust itself. Black Africans are more than adept at killing and destroying each other; think Hutu and Tutsi. Most damning of all is how the same congenital violence follows Blacks around the world no matter where they set foot.

Zenster said...

the same black guy as before : 2- its clear that although this site is based on "knowledge" any academic who is not a racist could pick most of these nonsensical "proofs" about black people apart as almost all of them are based on logical fallacies, cherry picked and skewed statistics, racist hysterics or simple outright falsehoods.

No, it is most definitely NOT "clear". If you maintain that the evidence presented here is based on "logical fallacies, cherry picked and skewed statistics, racist hysterics or simple outright falsehoods", then prove it.

Otherwise, your positions are nothing more than personal opinion as opposed to the painstaking fact-gathering that goes on here.

We won't even mention how assembling such knowledge is routinely hampered by media and journalists in an attempt to impose their own Multiculturalist and diversity-oriented agenda.

Zenster said...

Excellent post at time point October 21, 2011 2:06 PM, Van. You demolished Black Guy's points with a methodical consistency that can only be admired.

Zenster said...

D. Freeman: Sadly the worst part of this "race realist" nonsense is that it is a fabrication that white people are using to express racism that actually makes the issue worse as it devalues the essentially normal principle of racism by attaching it to bigotry, oppression, and hate.

You want sad? Just wait until the welfare checks stop coming. How will the Black community survive then, without White America supporting their endless cycle of grievance and hatred?

You haven't seen anything remotely resembling sad yet. Detroit is just the beginning of what Black America will face over the next several decades.

You would also be well advised to forget about whipping anyone here with accusations of "racism". Just like cries of "Islamophobia!", being accused of racism is rapidly becoming a badge of honor for Whites.

Nobody in America is more responsible for the neutralization of racism's previously negative connotations than Blacks themselves.

The thundering silence of Black America over flash attacks and the overwhelmingly Black nature of the perpetrators' racial makeup is earning Blacks the exact same kind of scorn that Muslims face due their silent, tacit acceptance and, therefore, de facto support of global terrorism.

In reality, there is little difference between the two groups. Muslims and Blacks consistently degrade the quality of life wherever they go and both of them are accumulating too many enemies too fast.

Sheila said...

For all the scientific genetic differences between the races, D. Freeman should merely read, in its totality, Unamusement Park (http://unamusementpark.com/). As far as the list of purported black inventions, it should consist of one item only: the super soaker. For the truth behind this, refer to the following website: http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/inventions/

Anonymous said...

"1- Here is a list of Sub Saharan African Kingdoms that existed before European imperialism with little in the way of crime and war that had advancement in technology, art, architecture,etc."

ROFL! Good Lord, this is a joke, right? Maybe you were brainwashed by the opening sequence in Eddie Murphy's "Coming to America" that African "kingdoms" were clean, modern and polite, but the video evidence from National Geographic says otherwise. Afrocentrism is brainwashing. But I guess college negroes prefer to study political pamphlets instead of mechanical engineering.

Zenster said...

Sheila: As far as the list of purported black inventions, it should consist of one item only: the super soaker. For the truth behind this, refer to the following website.

Thank you, Shiela. You have already adjusted my world view with respect to how Israel demands an "Ethno-State for Me but not for Thee".

This does not eliminate my support for Israel as a beacon of democracy in the MME (Muslim Middle East), but it most certainly does spark some serious questions as to whether Western Jews should be allotted the credibility that they currently enjoy.

For that, I thank you.

Similarly, I appreciate your link to the Philip Emeagwali Myths web site.

Please understand that you may not enjoy a full amount of appreciation from the Counterjihad community but that I ― as a dedicated Counterjihad contributor ― cannot dismiss your own salient observation regarding how Israel demands something so unfair as "Ethno-State for Me but not for Thee".

Mr. Rational said...

Zenster wrote:

Full implementation of existing "Cap & Trade" reductions in carbon emissions will result in America becoming a Third World nation.

Do not mistake the faults of the policy for errors in the statement of the problem.

Cap and Trade is to benefit the traders, like Goldman Sachs.  A straight carbon tax would push the whole world away from things which emit carbon (and toward nuclear power, restoring the momentum of the 60's and early 70's) but without the wealth transfers and deadweight losses of "profits" to unproductive speculators.  The Third World is unproductive and could not pay enough to merit much in the way of carbon emissions.

And the credulous Black guy says:
here is a quick list of technological advances and inventions attributed to black people- The cell phone, the traffic light, the blood bank, The elevator, the gas mask, peanut butter, pencil sharpener, typewriter, refrigerator.

[citation needed]  Of course, your refusal to provide cites is due to the weakness of your case.  Charles Drew is an icon of PC history, but your list appears to be almost completely debunked here [also cited by others as I see].  It is completely—nay, painfully—obvious that none of the inventions you claim for Blacks were actually originated by Blacks, would have been developed without Blacks, and indeed were mostly developed by non-Blacks.

When the trivial benefits of Black contributions are weighed against the Slavery Tax, it's obvious that the USA would have progressed much further in the last century if Lincoln had lived and all Blacks had been repatriated to Africa.

Van said...

Black Guy:

Others beat me to it, but the list of black inventions and the supposed greatness of ancient black civilizations are exaggerated revisionist history.

For the record, the existence of ancient black civilizations would not be proof that white interference is the cause of current black dysfunction. You would still need to demonstrate an actual cause/effect relationship (rather than a simple correlation), and predictive value would still be an issue. Basically, there could easily be other explanations.

Snopes has an article clarifying the invention claims. There are, or course, intelligent black people. The issue is the average intelligence and the percentage that are smart enough to maintain an advanced society. For blacks its just not there.

For most traits, there seems to be a point where it effects the overall population, and the very nature of the society itself. When only one or two people possess the trait (or express it though behavior), it may be irrelevant. But once you reach a certain percentage, which might not even be a majority, it becomes a characteristic of the society. That's a little jumbled, so here's a simple example:

I go to two gyms. One is mostly black, one mostly white. In the black gym, the dumbbells are scattered all over the place, while in the white gym they are always in the proper place. This is the case regardless of how busy it is.

Now, is it true that all whites put the weights back in the correct place, and no blacks do so? Of course not. But its a small percentage of whites who don't, so the situation is manageable. Once a certain percentage of the guys in the gym aren't putting them back correctly, the system breaks down, and no one can do it correctly. This is the case in the black gym.

Now assume that this applies to black societies in general. With such a high percentage of disorganized people with no foresight, how much time is wasted simply re-inventing the wheel (metaphorically speaking, as no black society ever invented the wheel)?

This is why all of the inventions of blacks (there are some) come in white societies, or among former colonies that are subsidized by white societies. In black societies the rare individual with true innovative abilities would be bogged down trying organize others.

And its why the rare black innovator is still a net negative on white society - if he brings his wife, children, and other relatives along for the ride; people who will do more do destabilize our society than he will to improve it.

For the intelligence issue, wikipedia has an article - search for black/white intelligence gap. Its a starter, and of course should not be taken as gospel, but it should have links to guys like Rushton, Murray (genetic explanation), and Flynn (culture/environment). Anthropologist Stephen J. Gould chimes in frequently on the culture side. His claims are easily refuted (he states humans weren't apart long enough for changes to emerge, yet promotes puncuated equilibrium) and has been shown to have falsified date. He also teaches a course demonstrating how "science" can be used to manipulate public opinion. But I ramble this morning...
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Zenster: thanks, for the compliment. I enjoy your posts as well. There are quite a few posters here who impress me.

Anonymous said...

Worldstarhiphop has no need to actively push a racial agenda. Their major function is to simply place in front of us the evidence that Black America so abundantly provides and, perhaps, paste a few labels upon it for the sake of reference.

Anonymous said...

The cell phone, the traffic light, the blood bank, The elevator, the gas mask, peanut butter, pencil sharpener, typewriter, refrigerator

indeed

Anonymous said...

Marching ching ching Looter King asked for black people to be judged on the content of their character and they have been found wanting!

Van said...

Also to Black Guy:

I notice that you claim the rcial views expressed to be unscientific, yet admit igorance of the actual research.

Zenster said...

Anonymous: (October 23, 2011 5:26 AM): Worldstarhiphop has no need to actively push a racial agenda. Their major function is to simply place in front of us the evidence that Black America so abundantly provides and, perhaps, paste a few labels upon it for the sake of reference.

Hey!

Minor quibble; by promoting (c)rap music and so-called Black "culture", Worldstarhiphop does "actively push a racial agenda". Namely, genocide against Whites.

Anonymous said...

The black guy wrote:

"Furthermore, here is a quick list of technological advances and inventions attributed to black people- The cell phone, the traffic light, the blood bank, The elevator, the gas mask, peanut butter, pencil sharpener, typewriter, refrigerator."

Too bad you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG. You have been fed LIES.

Kindly allow me to prove you totally wrong!

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cell phone - Henry T. Sampson in 1971? No!

On July 6, 1971, Sampson and co-inventor George Miley received a patent on a "gamma electric cell" that converted a gamma ray input into an electrical output (Among the first to do that was Bernhard Gross, US patent #3122640, 1964). What, you ask, does gamma radiation have to do with cellular communications technology? The answer: nothing. Some multiculturalist pseudo-historian must have seen the words "electric" and "cell" and thought "cell phone."

The father of the cell phone is Martin Cooper who first demonstrated the technology in 1973.

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traffic light - Invented by Garrett A. Morgan in 1923? No!

The first known traffic signal appeared in London in 1868 near the Houses of Parliament. Designed by JP Knight, it featured two semaphore arms and two gas lamps. The earliest electric traffic lights include Lester Wire's two-color version set up in Salt Lake City circa 1912, James Hoge's system (US patent #1,251,666) installed in Cleveland by the American Traffic Signal Company in 1914, and William Potts' 4-way red-yellow-green lights introduced in Detroit beginning in 1920. New York City traffic towers began flashing three-color signals also in 1920.

Garrett Morgan's cross-shaped, crank-operated semaphore was not among the first half-hundred patented traffic signals, nor was it "automatic" as is sometimes claimed, nor did it play any part in the evolution of the modern traffic light.

Anonymous said...

The black guy wrote:

"Furthermore, here is a quick list of technological advances and inventions attributed to black people- The cell phone, the traffic light, the blood bank, The elevator, the gas mask, peanut butter, pencil sharpener, typewriter, refrigerator."
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blood bank - Dr. Charles Drew in 1940? No!

During World War I, Dr. Oswald H. Robertson of the US army preserved blood in a citrate-glucose solution and stored it in cooled containers for later transfusion. This was the first use of "banked" blood. By the mid-1930s the Russians had set up a national network of facilities for the collection, typing, and storage of blood. Bernard Fantus, influenced by the Russian program, established the first hospital blood bank in the United States at Chicago's Cook County Hospital in 1937. It was Fantus who coined the term "blood bank." See "highlights of transfusion history" from the American Association of Blood Banks.

http://www.aabb.org/all_about_blood/FAQs/aabb_faqs.htm#8

Anonymous said...

elevator - Alexander Miles in 1887? No!
Was Miles the first to patent a self-closing shaft door? No!

Steam-powered hoisting devices were used in England by 1800. Elisha Graves Otis' 1853 "safety elevator" prevented the car from falling if the cable broke, and thus paved the way for the first commercial passenger elevator, installed in New York City's Haughwout Department Store in 1857. The first electric elevator appeared in Mannheim, Germany in 1880, built by the German firm of Siemens and Halske. A self-closing shaft door was invented by J.W. Meaker in 1874 ("Improvement in Self-closing Hatchways," US Patent No. 147,853). =======

gas mask - Garrett Morgan in 1914? No!

The invention of the gas mask predates Morgan's breathing device by several decades. Early versions were constructed by the Scottish chemist John Stenhouse in 1854 and the physicist John Tyndall in the 1870s, among many other inventors prior to World War I. See "The Invention of the Gas Mask":

http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/gasmask/page.html

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peanut butter - WOW SUCH AN AMAZING INVENTION!!! LOL!!!

George Washington Carver (who began his peanut research in 1903)? No!

Peanuts, which are native to the New World tropics, were mashed into paste by Aztecs hundreds of years ago. Evidence of modern peanut butter comes from US patent #306727 issued to Marcellus Gilmore Edson of Montreal, Quebec in 1884, for a process of milling roasted peanuts between heated surfaces until the peanuts reached "a fluid or semi-fluid state." As the product cooled, it set into what Edson described as "a consistency like that of butter, lard, or ointment." In 1890, George A. Bayle Jr., owner of a food business in St. Louis, manufactured peanut butter and sold it out of barrels. J.H. Kellogg, of cereal fame, secured US patent #580787 in 1897 for his "Process of Preparing Nutmeal," which produced a "pasty adhesive substance" that Kellogg called "nut-butter."

D. Freeman said...

It may please many of you to know that some of the research provided has greatly enlightened my stance on a lot of these topics. I find this new perception incredibly exciting and I am honestly thankful for having had the experience and opportunity to have these discussions no matter how hostile and ugly they have been at times. It is very clear that there are scientific facts that indicate the existence of genetic elements that make white people superior in areas of intellect to Black people. After coming to understand this, I had an epiphany that i will detail in my own blog. But this is a big deal. However, how can you use this to validate white supremacy, especially when there are so many other factors that do not support that philosophy?

Before i get to the meat of things, I want to pose some serious questions.

1-Why do you all come to this site?

2-What do you hope to accomplish through it?

3-Do you honestly believe that White people are genetically superior to blacks?

4-What informs this opinion?

5-How do you reconcile this with the obvious physical genetic advantages of blacks?

6-Considering the current state of Affairs in America and world wide, what is a REALISTIC possible plan for action to seek your goals?

It may surprise you to know that I hold a masters degree in education and I am in the process of applying to several universities to pursue my PHD in sociology. You all have seriously just helped me plan out my dissertation.


Please take the opportunity to answer these questions. In a weird way I think we could help each other. You all need my insight and a different perspective, and I need to truly understand where you all are coming from.

Furthermore...

D. Freeman said...

Although I obviously will not concede that the overall tone of this site is productive, I do think that there is definitely something to where this information and discussion may lead in terms of truly advancing civilization as a whole and fixing some of society's ills (specifically ones that include black people which as you all so vehemently express, is everyones problem)

I think what you are all missing is that this site and the overall tone and ideals expressed in it will never lead to anything productive in its current state.

Here are some hard realities for you guys

1- Black physical traits are genetically superior in every significant category, specifically our birth rate and genetic identifiers.

2- Unlike Asians, White people and their culture has done a poor job of effectively instilling principles of cultural and ethnic preservation. This has led/will eventually lead to your own extinction. In the next 50 years white world population will be in the single digits.

3- Allowing your goals of self preservation to be connected to white supremacy and hate will never lead to your goals.

4- You all know very little about black people and their culture. All that you have access to is cherry picked propaganda. This will make your goals essentially impossible to accomplish without drastic measures that we all know will never happen.

5- Black people will never trust white people to act in their best interest. As such you all will never be able to accomplish what people like me could accomplish.

There are realistic ways that we can help each other. You all have issues with some black people I have issues with some black people. One thing you

All I ask is that we maintain the air of civility, and if possible tone down the levels of hostility. I hope everyone comes into this conversation with an open mind and the true intention of furthering everyone's goals.

Californian said...

D. Freeman, a question for you: what do you think is the solution to the various problems posited here about race?

For example, what would you propose that white people who are being targeted by black flash mobs ought to do? Should they carry weapons and defend themselves? Or embrace the flash mobsters to be enriched by their diversity?

(By the way, do you have any evidence that whites are forming flash mobs to attack blacks these days? And what are the relative numbers of these mobs?)

What would you propose that whites who live in black run countries such as Zimbabwe or Rhodesia do? Accept the massive criminal and terroristic assaults against themselves as justice for imperialism-colonialism-racism-apartheid?

What would you offer for a white minority in a black run country?

I am quite serious about all this. You do not seem to offer any solutions to the race issue other than blaming white people for everything, and then the usual name calling ("racism," bigotry," "hate").

Can you not see that this blame game may be one of the factors leading to blacks engaging in violent crime against whites globally? You demonize whites as racist oppressors, then wonder why blacks attack them.

Supposing you had serious power, what would you do?

Californian said...

I did want to address several of D. Freeman's points:


1- Here is a list of Sub Saharan African Kingdoms that existed before European imperialism with little in the way of crime and war that had advancement in technology, art, architecture,etc. ... Mali empire, Songhai empire, Nri empire, Oyo Empire, Nok empire, old Zimbabwe, old Liberia, etc.


Several of the above were established in the middle ages via strong Islamic influence. Most of them were continually at war (as have been most empires). As for crime, do you have any statistics for them? In any event, Mali, Songhai, etc., were states of the Sahel, the southern fringe of the Sahara, not sub-Saharan Africa proper.

Old Zimbabwe is extrapolated from some ruins in that country.

All pretty much fit your criteria, all represent modern day lands that were eventually colonized and ravaged by white imperialism and now stand in veritable ruin.

Zimbabwe (the posited kingdom) was in ruins long before the Europeans got there. Most of the rest of the African states did not come under European control until well into the 19th century, and they were hardly "ravaged"--what do you mean by that term?

In a number of cases, European colonialists ended slavery in them. Do you object to that?


But if these pseudo scientific principles you hide behind are allowed to go unchecked and the general conscious of the population is allowed to believe that black problems are inherently genetic and cannot be changed. Then there is no hope and I along with many of my people are doomed to the state we are currently in.

But what happens if the genetic explanation is the reality, no matter how unpleasant it may be? After all, no one says that reality has to fit in with current ideological assumptions. The entire history of humanity is one of tragic realities.

I would also note that if the differences were genetic, then once this was recognized perhaps some positive action could be taken: say, encouraging higher IQ people to have more children, or whatever.

The problem is that White America cannot detach this principle from white supremacy and oppression.

Let me play devil's advocate here and ask, why is that wrong? Why would it be wrong for white Americans to remain supreme in their own country? It was, after all, founded and built mainly by white people on principles they created.

After all, blacks do not object very much to the promotion of black supremacy in Africa. See any protests from the NAACP about a black majority government driving Zimbabwe's white farmers off their land, or against ANC mobs chanting "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer?"

These countries demonstrate that when white people give up their notions of "supremacy," blacks respond by treating them as a subject populace at best, and an enemy to be ethnically cleansed at worst.

Why would any white person want that?


... i dont know if white culture will be able to survive in the long run without promoting white supremacy which the new world will categorically reject, leaving you all toothless as a race and more significantly as a culture.

So then what you are saying is that the non-white world will engage in a race war against whites? If the rest of the world rejects the concept of what you deem "white supremacy," so what? What are they going to do? Stop taking the food aid from white countries? Stop buying AK-47s from white arms dealers? Stop migrating into white countries?

Doesn't it bother your that whenever blacks take control of a country, they often end up turning it into a dictatorship at best, or a failed state a not insignificant amount of the time? And does it not bother you that blacks tend to inflict large amounts of violence against white people once they get the slightest amount of power?

What would you recommend white people do?

D. Freeman said...

Californian-

I figure you made your comment before my last post. So i wont adress all that you are saying at the moment as i am working on it on a larger scale.

I will say this. I dont have any issue with white pride, in fact i would endorse it if it could seperate from white supremacy.

There is a difference in my opinion. Generally, pride is appreciating the good things your race has contributed to the world and doing things to preserve your culture as a whole. Supremacy is promoting the idea that others are inferior to you and using that as an excuse for mistreatment of others. While pride would allow us to coexist on a greater level (it would require complex changes on both sides) supremacy on the other hand seeks to dominate others who are different, and that will always breed turmoil and eventually chaos and collapse. Indeed it was the effort for dominance and power that brought the first blacks here as slaves.

The problem with white culture world wide is that they cannot separate White pride from White supremacy. And although it is plausible that white people are smarter than Blacks, it is a consistently proven fact (even by your own people like Rushton) that in terms of physical genetic features, Blacks and other people of color (Latinos and Arabs)are superior, not to mention that in terms of intellect Whites are inferior to Asians.

As for this persistent nonsense about black flash mobs, your complaint is against crime as a whole not just black people. As i have stated previously, violent crime has been decreasing for the last decade or so, and statistics show that 86% of violent crimes against whites are committed by whites. You are buying in to your own propaganda. But again i will further express this on my own site. I genuinely anticipate your response when it is done.

Californian said...

However, how can you use this to validate white supremacy...

What do you mean by "white supremacy?"

Who on SBPDL is advocating "white supremacy?"

And assuming they are, why is that wrong? You mentioned you are going for a PhD. Many campuses in America have large numbers of out-and-out communnists teaching or forming clubs. If it is OK to advocate communism, given all the havok that communists have wrought over the last century, then why get bent out of shape over "white supremacy?"

It seems -- perhaps I am mistaken -- that many people here are advocating telling the truth about such things as black rates of violent crime, especially against other races.

They are also disseminating information which you would not normally receive in the mainstream media or academia or the press releases of the NAACP about such things as flash mobs. Do you have an objection to the dissemination of otherwise suppressed information?

D. Freeman said...

I think i presented a solid description of white supremacy in my last post.

Sbpdl is not say stormfront or a nazi website etc, but it is clear that this place is an outlet for people who endorse white supremacy.

You cannot deny that aside from a few individuals, many people on this site are "telling the truth" in order to feed the idea that black people are just an inferior species of human. This is a website for angry white men, and the comfort blanket for angry white men has always been white supremacy.

In a way this site is similar to rap music. Although not all rap music is negative or promotes poor cultural values, the combination of the music that does with individuals who are already prone to criminal behavior will categorically produce negative results. At the same time i grew up on worse rap music than is around today but it had little effect on me. In the end what is needed is a movement to purify or alter the overall message to give all sides of the story.

You see "telling the truth" would have to include different sides to the story and different takes on the topic. Two easy examples of this are the ridiculously inflated and slanted stories about Tim Tebow and the Rooney Rule, and this persistent issue of "black flash mob violence". In both cases the facts are deceptively presented to support a conclusion that is inaccurate, mainly because giving a full sided story would diminish the impact of this site.

The whole thing about media bias is to a great extent moot. Yes i wholeheartedly agree that news coverage about black crime and black on white violence is minimal, but its also true that the media consistently ignores all kinds of things that dont fit into its narrow scope. But this site is just as irresponsible when it uses extreme cases and vidoes of from world star hiphop of all places to present an opposing opinion that is not supported by facts.

Lastly, I am not in any way an advocate of communism, and again i thing you greatly overstep the reality of what higher education is based on a misinformed opinion. Furthermore, unlike communism, White Supremacy is a much more tangible and real threat to me as a black person and on a wider scope to you as a white person.

The recurring goal i see in a lot of these sites is "the preservation of the white race and western culture" Which technically should not be a bad thing. However white supremacy dictates that preserving white people and white culture can only be done by subjugating and destroying people of color, or the alternative is the whole log cabin in the woods image i spoke of earlier.

In the end neither of those plans of action will ever work. There will never be another genocide or great war committed against people of color, and attempting to separate would just be ignoring the problem and putting the final nail in the white coffin as people of color continue to increase and influence world wide.

In the end it will be white supremacy that is the destruction of white people.

Anonymous said...

1- Black physical traits are genetically superior in every significant category, specifically our birth rate and genetic identifiers.

I for one welcome our new aquatic overlords!

Analytical said...

In the end it will be white supremacy that is the destruction of white people.

Yet White pride is a prerequisite for White supremacy.

I'd accuse you of talking out of both sides of your mouth, except I don't believe you're bright enough to grasp the contradictions of your own stated position.

Anonymous said...

D. Freeman asked:

1- ‘Black physical traits are genetically superior in every significant category’

Swimming ability? High altitude adaptability? Disease Resistance? Temperature extreme tolerance? Genetics for physical traits are developed over time to adapt to the local climate and environment. Running fast is an evolutionary advantage that served its purpose on the African savannah when a cheetah or lion was a constant threat, but in modern life only serves the purpose of excelling at specific sports or running from the po po.

..’ specifically our birth rate and genetic identifiers’.

High fecundity (birthrate) is generally combined with high infant mortality, and is in itself not indicative of an advanced or archaic evolutionary trait. It is merely a reproductive strategy different species use that invest in producing large numbers of offspring in the hope that a few will survive to reproductive adulthood to continue the genetic line. The opposite side of this strategy is lower birthrate with a longer juvenile period in an organisms life to learn survival strategies that are not genetically inherent from the parents. Other traits of this strategy include long term pair bonding, single births, Females incapable to go into estrus while nursing or caring for an infant to name a few.

Your insistence on even bringing this up as a positive trait adds credence to the argument that blacks may be a separate sub-species. As far as ‘superior genetic identifiers’, I have no idea what constitutes a ‘superior’ identifier. Genetic identifiers are just sections of DNA which are usually considered ‘junk’ that have spliced themselves into genetic code in a species and generally do no harm or provide no benefit. They are merely used to identify intra-species relationships and trace evolutionary lineages and estimate a time frame for evolutionary splitting of species.

2- Unlike Asians, White people and their culture has done a poor job of effectively instilling principles of cultural and ethnic preservation. This has led/will eventually lead to your own extinction. In the next 50 years white world population will be in the single digits.

So, according to you, we’re damned if we do, and damned if we don’t. To promote ‘white’ culture would be considered Racist and prompt accusations of being a Nazi or a skinhead. That’s actually part of the reason for this blog and why people are interested in it.

Anonymous said...

(Continued)

D. Freeman asked:

3- Allowing your goals of self-preservation to be connected to white supremacy and hate will never lead to your goals.

You are the one connecting our goals to ‘white supremacy’ and ‘hate’. Just because we’re not in lockstep with the current pc dogma of ‘diversity is beneficial’ which seems only to apply to Western Civilization alone, and that all of the 3rd world problems are directly related and only caused by whites does not necessarily make us skinheads or Nazis.

4- 'You all know very little about black people and their culture. All that you have access to is cherry picked propaganda. This will make your goals essentially impossible to accomplish without drastic measures that we all know will never happen.'

Well, why don’t you set up your own blog and educate us then. What we see is the dysfunction of cities like Detroit or New Orleans. What we see is statistics like this:

fbi.gov/about-us/­cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010­/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables­/table-43

What we see is parts of towns and cities we live in that are no-go zones which are largely populated by blacks. What we see is news reports day after day that report stupid, violent and pointless crimes that are perpetrated by young black males and lately, black females. What we see are neighborhoods and schools that were once clean, productive safe and white turn to run down, crime infested ghettos and semi
prisons once the black undertow starts to infiltrate.

5- 'Black people will never trust white people to act in their best interest. As such you all will never be able to accomplish what people like me could accomplish.'

This makes no sense at all. If you mean ‘Black people will never trust white people to act in blacks best interest’ then what do you call the last 50 years of affirmative action, section 8, minority set asides (which are basically only for blacks), mandatory diversity training, hate crime enhancements which only apply if its white on black 99% of the time.
And ‘could accomplish’ should be your and in the larger context, the black communities responsibility.

Californian said...

D. Freeman,

The point is, politics is not a struggle for equality, it is a fight for supremacy. That is the (perhaps unpleasant) reality. A group which wants to defend itself is going to have to see itself separate and better than the next group. Otherwise, there is no reason for it to be independent. If, say, Christianity is no better than Islam, then how can one object to living in an Islamic society than a Christian?

This is something that is evident among blacks (generally, when it comes to politics). They do not want equality. They want supremacy. This is manifestly so in countries such as Zimbabwe and South Africa. In both countries whites are systematically discriminated against by black majorities, as well as subject to levels of violence which verge on ethnic cleansing. That is the reality of whites giving up "supremacy."

Consider the ANC song, chanted quite frequently in the years after the end of apartheid, "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer." No problem with that? Or the massive black-on-white crime rate in the rainbow nation? Or white farmers in Zimbabwe being thrown off their land? Or subjected to murderous attacks involving torture?

Why would any white person want to live in such a black run society, other than a masochist/liberal?

Do blacks in America today want equality? They (or at least their leaders) demand everything from affirmative action (AA) and on. You have to see black flash mobs in this context, clearing streets of non-blacks. If whites are eeeeevil oppressors, then aren't these flash mobs liberating the black community?

The reality is that today, in America, whites are being treated as second class citizens in their own country.

While pride would allow us to coexist on a greater level ...

So then if a group of white students on your campus were to start a group called "White Pride," no problem, right? They'd get equal student funding? There would be no attempts to disrupt their meetings or recruiting tables? They wouldn't be accused of "hate speech" for posting White Pride flyers? They'd get their own White Pride department? And student newspaper? And no problem if they protested against the campus "diversity" office? Or occupied the Dean's office to demand the university divest from the rainbow nation of South Africa for its discriminatory and murderous treatment of white people?

... supremacy on the other hand seeks to dominate others who are different, and that will always breed turmoil and eventually chaos and collapse.

So then what you are saying is that a multicultist society is inherently unstable? That having more than one race in the same country is going to lead to endless internal conflict and struggles for dominance?

Why don't you tell us how well multicultist societies have worked out in Africa?

We can start with Rwanda.

Californian said...

...and even more...

You see "telling the truth" would have to include different sides to the story and different takes on the topic.

This is done on your university? When a professor states that "race is just a construct," he also gives an argument for "race is genetics?"

And you would advocate that the other side of the story on the American civil rights movement be given--say, the perspective of George Wallace or the Citizens' Councils? Or that your university do a program on the advantages of apartheid? How about a campus program celebrating civil rights heroes such as Allan Bakke or the firefighters who got the Ricci affirmative action program struck down?


it is a consistently proven fact (even by your own people like Rushton) that in terms of physical genetic features, Blacks and other people of color (Latinos and Arabs)are superior,


So then race is not a "construct" but a genetic reality? If physical features are genetic, then why not mental? Or predisposition for violent crime?


As i have stated previously, violent crime has been decreasing for the last decade or so,


Oddly enough, I have some background in this field.

Violent crime has been decreasing for at least two reasons:
(1) In some places, the increasingly repressive laws, such as three strikes, are locking up more criminals. This is one reason so many black men are in prison, by the way. Can't do the time, don't do the crime, etc...
(2) In some places, because the police are cooking the books to make it appear that violent crime is going down. There is considerable political pressure to do so.

But this does bring up the issue of flash mobs again. Supposing it were white people forming flash mobs and storming into black run shopping centers and physically assaulting black people. How do you suppose it would go over? Think the (liberal) media would ignore it? Think the NAACP would be silent? Think AG Holder would not be doing dialog on "hate crimes?" Think your university would not be up in arms?

Anonymous said...

the black guy wrote:

"Unlike Asians, White people and their culture has done a poor job of effectively instilling principles of cultural and ethnic preservation"

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Well gee, maybe that is because whenever whites try to "instill principles of cultural and ethnic preservation", a whole army of libtards and negroes and "academics" and "journalists" DEMONIZE said whites as being "racists" and "haters", to the point of jeopardizing the whites' careers and even their physical safety.

For a "smart black guy", you sure are dumb sometimes.

D. Freeman said...

To Californian and others interested-

Despite the persistent presence of some few who maintain a hostile and overtly insulting tone, I am very appreciative of the discussion we are having thus far. However continuing it on this particular board is just not going to be effective for much longer and I simply dont have the time to respond to each individual statment. As i said before i went ahead and created a blog. God willing withing the next 2 days i will craft a fairly substantial response to most of the comments presented and hopefully you all will want to continue the discussion there.

Either way, thank you. despite the misguideness of what is going on here, i do believe that there is something of worth to be wrought through this exchange and even this site.

Van said...

Freeman:

Since you're more/less winding the conversation down, I'll present to you what I call "The Question" that I pose to those who push multiculturalism (particularly regarding blacks). I'll do this instead of responding to the specific points of your last several posts, because this ultimately ties them all together.

Smaller questions to get you thinking:

Are white societies better off when blacks are brought in? If so, how? Or would white societies be better off without blacks?

Similarly, how do blacks fare away from whites? Are they better off on their own?

See, the overall impact of blacks on white society is, in fact, unarguably negative. That's the ugly little truth, and the reason whites aren't allowed to think in terms of white culture, white accomplishments, etc. It would pull the curtain down, exposing the giant lie of "diversity is strength" and make whites question our current path.

But look at each area individually; crime, welfare use, income, taxes paid, services received; even smaller things like driving habits, common courtesy, etc. In every category, blacks are a negative when compared to whites.

Crime in cities causes the productive, law-abiding to move out to suburbs. This creates massive traffic for those who must travel back into the city each day for work. Now, hours are wasted sitting in traffic instead of spending quality time with children. Taxes must be increased to pay for road construction/maintenance, as well as increased police and jails/prisons. Who pays the burden of these taxes? It sure as hell isn't blacks; its mostly the white middle class worker. He pays a higher tax burden to have roads built so he can drive two hours each day and miss out on time with his family; plus taxes to pay for the police force needed to combat crime. Plus taxes to cover the welfare programs used (and especially abused) mostly by blacks. Imagine if most whites recognized this reality - the cumulative effect of simply having blacks around.

The areas that you just can't go anymore. The increased retail cost for shoplifting (again, disproportionately black). On and on and on.

So, "The Question" is this:

What do blacks bring to the table that makes it all worth it?

Are whites superior? Well, that's somewhat subjective, isn't it? The criteria that I use, the one that is most important to my life, is the ability to develop and maintain modern, technologically advanced, stable, low-crime societies. And you're damn right - whites are unquestionably superior to blacks in that endeavor. This is not a symbiotic, mutually beneficial relationship; not even close. Its parasitic.

That being said, all I want is honesty. Public acknowledgement of reality, so that we can move away from this destructive path of committing so much, in terms of our freedom as well as tax dollars, in a futile attempt to turn sub-Saharan Africans into Europeans. Its destroying this country. Failure to acknowledge the reality of race is bleeding this country dry, and bringing it to its knees.

Anonymous said...

The preceding comments from Van, Californian, Anonymous@October 24, 2011 9:55 AM, etc. (even D Freeman) should be printed out and distributed in every university library. When I was in grad school, this type of discourse would never have been possible due to the messenger being shot on arrival.

Zenster said...

Californian: Who on SBPDL is advocating "white supremacy?"

Thank you, Californian. You beat me to it. I have yet to see anyone here at SBPDL advocating "white supremacy".

None of this changes the fact that Blacks continue to demonstrate and, most astonishingly, almost cling to behavior that retards their culture and devastates them as a race.

Before addressing any of the other comments, I also want to praise you, along with Van, for eschewing the usual rancor that so often accompanies any discussion of race.

The reasonable tone and calm forensic quality of your posts really elevates the quality of this site well above other forums of this type.

Both of you, please keep up the good work.

Zenster said...

D. Freeman: The problem with white culture world wide is that they cannot separate White pride from White supremacy.

Rubbish. Consider one simple fact. The predominantly White continents of Europe and America are, without question, the most "integrated" of any on earth.

How does that fit in with your notion that White pride and White supremacy are inseparable?

That is, unless you just can't bring yourself to let go of the long-stale, "Whitey is keeping the Black man down", meme.

What does it say about almost every other culture, from Africa to Japan, that they are nearly homogenous in terms of overall racial makeup? Especially so, when compared to Europe and America.

If you want a glimpse of racial supremacy, I suggest that you direct your attention to Africa where such obsession with power and domination constantly result in the most egregious violations of human rights with a clockwork regularity that almost manages to shame even so vile a culture as Islam.

3-Do you honestly believe that White people are genetically superior to blacks?

If one defines "genetically superior" in terms of overall successful survival in the widest variety of climates then, yes, Whites are genetically superior.

I don't know how you define genetically superiority but settling and constructively populating some of the most hostile regions on earth certainly seems to point towards a more adaptable and robust genetic structure.

I would point to Denmark as an example. That one tiny country has produced numerous scientific and technological breakthroughs plus a host of hard-science Nobel prize laureates along with being one of the least corrupt nations on earth all while maintaining a standard of living and quality of life that most other nations can only dream of. All this has been accomplished in the midst of an unforgiving climate plus a general lack of natural resources.

5-How do you reconcile this with the obvious physical genetic advantages of blacks?

You have yet to demonstrate any “obvious physical genetic advantages of blacks”. Clearly, physical strength ― which you seem to be alluding to ― is not a crucial asset or else Blacks would have been colonizing the world instead of White nations colonizing Africa. This does not even address how the vast majority of Olympic class weightlifters are White.

Quite to the contrary, Blacks do not demonstrate “obvious physical genetic advantages”.

Birth defects mortality was consistently higher among black or African American infants than white infants. In 2005, for example, mortality attributed to birth defects among black or African American male and female infants was 166.5 and 159.0 per 100,000 infants, respectively; among white male and female infants, it was 136.9 and 124.8 per 100,000 infants, respectively.

That hardly qualifies as any sort of “obvious physical genetic advantages”.

Zenster said...

D. Freeman: Despite the persistent presence of some few who maintain a hostile and overtly insulting tone, I am very appreciative of the discussion we are having thus far.

Without wishing to sound the least bit condescending, you should be.

Here at SBPDL, I have seen some of the most earnest, well reasoned and fact-based discussion of race anywhere on the internet. Let's all hope that this registers with you because, without some serious recognition of the realities involved, things are going to spiral out of control much sooner than later.

If you would like a dose of harsh reality, please examine sites like Unamusement Park. Personally, I find the bile being vented there to be objectionable but it is still an indicator of just how badly race relations have deteriorated in America.

Please keep in mind how the United States is still a predominantly White country and that tolerance for the predatory behavior of Blacks is vanishing like dew in the Sahara. There is no way to build enough prisons that can contain the burgeoning population of Black thugs that prey upon Whites with Swiss watch precision.

Given that, expect some really extreme measures to evolve out of such unchecked criminality.

Once again, another parallel with Islam emerges.

Just as with Muslims, if Black America refuses to police its own turf in a genuine effort towards identifying and restraining the criminal predators in its midst, then look for Whites to initiate less-than-fastidious measures aimed at constraining such parasitic behavior.

So it is with Islam. Muslims continually laugh up their sleeves at futile Western efforts to winnow out terrorists from the ranks of Islam.

Why bother?

Muslims must be compelled, by whatever means necessary, to clean their own house. Expecting the West to delicately sort out who is and who is not a terrorist is sheer nonsense.

Eventually, frustration will overcome all restraint and the Moderate Muslim™ baby will be thrown out with the jihadist bathwater.

This exact same identical situation awaits Blacks in America and only the most ardent and sincere efforts by this nation's Black population has any hope of averting a reversion to lynchings and Jim Crow laws being justifiably restored.

Do I look forward to such a thing? Hardly. Do I predict it? Hell, I'd bet the farm on it.

Anonymous said...

That idiot D Freeman started a blog to present his negroid logic in a revisionist history of his pathetic debate here on SBPDL. After demanding to be shown proof that there are genetic differences between the races, an anonymous poster provided a laughable abundance of peer reviewed scientific papers. So, now D Freeman claims that the fact that all non-African humans owe 5% of their DNA to neanderthals is not a significant difference, because that means that African and non-African races are 95% similar.

But according to this....

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0831_050831_chimp_genes.html

humans and chimpanzees are 96% similar. Hmmmm, is he saying that the genetic difference between non-Africans and Africans is GREATER than the difference between humans and apes???

Good grief. Don't bother going to his pathetic blog. Like EBT and Section 8, it will die off without support from the whiteys.

Dissident said...

Freeman said: "The problem is that White America cannot detach this principle from white supremacy and oppression."

That in a nutshell is why no one will lend you much credibility Freeman, it's simply not true.

Besides blacks are every bit the Racists (TM) that you purport whites to be.

Anonymous said...

Apologies for leaving out the tag "if you want to see what a racist website is like then worldstarhiphop is the place to go."

D. Freeman said...

Last post for a bit of clarification. Again please try answer with a level of clarity and honesty.

What factor if any do you think culture has to do with what is going on with blacks, muslims, mexicans etc.

Race realism says that blacks are genetically different and have a lesser IQ. Ill capitulate that to an extent. That said, to what extent can culture and society intensify or diminish black issues?

Meaning, is it possible for a black population that represents a small minority in a larger population to have the majority of its members act civilly in a "modern, technologically advanced, stable, low-crime society" Or will the vast majority of blacks in any given situation always revert to negative "black" behavior because of our DNA. In the end do we have any choices in the matter?

Zenster said...

D. Freeman: Meaning, is it possible for a black population that represents a small minority in a larger population to have the majority of its members act civilly in a "modern, technologically advanced, stable, low-crime society" Or will the vast majority of blacks in any given situation always revert to negative "black" behavior because of our DNA.

A damn fine question and one that you should be answering before any White folk here at SBPDL.

You have admirably summarized the central question which confronts American Blacks who think they are entitled to be part of the White culture that largely constructed this grand experiment in freedom and Democracy.

Once you have presented your own detailed assessment, it will then become incumbent upon us other (White) participants at SBPDL to reply in earnest. But not a moment before then.